[Talk-us] Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM?
To be clear about USBR 11 in Maryland: for source data, this OSM author looked at many things, including a combination of text-based instructions and the red-yellow-green lines published by Maryland DOT and OSM’s own data like Elliott’s tags to my FIXME tags. This author also finds it prudent to mention now and again (including in this national forum, sorta like a PSA) that using Google data in OSM is not allowed. As much as it might stink for a moment to say that, I’ll take the heat for having so many fingers point in my direction for saying it. Again, please don’t copy from Google maps in OSM. Peeyew, just saying it out loud feels kind of sour. But that will linger just for a bit, it’ll blow away quickly. Thanks, no offense, anyone. SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM?
Steve, Recognizing the OSM/Google Maps thing, the map I sent you showed the MDDOT route overlaid on a Google satellite view. Can you not use the DOT's overlay information showing which roads are used in the NB and SB routes? And yes I was guessing (poorly it turns out) the distances. Kerry -Original Message- From: OSM Volunteer stevea [mailto:stevea...@softworkers.com] Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 3:02 PM To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Cc: Kerry Irons ; Elliott Plack ; Wade ; FTA/Ethan ; Phil! Gold Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM? Hi USBR (11, in this case) data folks: Kerry, as a reminder, OSM is unable to use data derived from Google Maps, so I had to again follow text-based directions to complete the following. By way of eliminating my earlier FIXME tags, Elliott’s newer tags of “cycleway:right=shoulder” are quite helpful and truly do disambiguate how one might ride through here (even as OCM does not explicitly render these, as OSM is primarily about correct tagging, not necessarily any particular rendering). • I added some “forward” role tags to elements in the USBR 11 relation which clarify that the southbound-only portion of the route follow the cloverleaf (between SR 67 and US 340) and onto Keep Tryst Road. • Kerry’s assertion that the southbound route takes the right hand ramp from the southern end of SR 67 onto US 340 for about 500 feet is a little short: my JOSM session reports that segment (after the 270-degree “cloverleaf” and up to the right turn onto Keep Tryst Road) is about 1682 feet. • I slightly modified the final approach on Keep Tryst Road so that instead of its final right turn “hook” instead it cuts through the parking lot, skirting parked cars on the service road (unsigned_ref=180A) to pick up the Appalachian Trail. This is where the forward role tags end for the southbound-only segment, as N-only and S-only split/join here. • The northbound-only segment now includes Keep Tryst Road west of the parking lot and about a half-mile (2533 feet) on US 340 back to the “trumpet curve” (exit from US 340) and onto MD 67 starting with the bridge over US 340, again with “forward” role tags as appropriate. The relation as just entered can be viewed directly with: http://www.osm.org/relation/4095725#map=16/39.3284/-77.6924&layers=C where the orange superimposed line shows the new edits/corrections. However, the usual caveat that this will take a few days (weeks for low zooms) in OpenCycleMap do apply. In the meantime, the orange line (newly corrected relation) can be compared to the older red USBR route line until the re-rendering is complete, when these will match each other. If I/we STILL don’t have this right, I sure would like to hear about it! Thanks to everybody for the joint effort at getting this corrected. SteveA California > On Jun 19, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Kerry Irons wrote: > > Not sure how this got missed but attached is the detail map from MDDOT. It’s > a little hard to read on my monitor but the red line is the NB route. Thanks > as always. > > > Kerry > > From: Brad Neuhauser [mailto:brad.neuhau...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:10 AM > To: Kerry Irons > Cc: Elliott Plack ; OSM Volunteer stevea > ; Wade ; FTA/Ethan > ; Phil! Gold ; > talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM? > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Kerry Irons wrote: >> The NB route uses Keep Tryst Rd. west from the path to connect with US 340 >> for about 1,500 ft. headed east and then onto the ramp to SR 67. The SB >> route takes the right hand ramp from the southern end of SR 67 onto US 340 >> for about 500 ft. and then right onto Keep Tryst Rd. and then onto the path. >> The route uses the towpath, not Sandy Hook Rd. >> > So, where they split, it looks like the NB route isn't tagged at all, just > the SB route. > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM?
Hi USBR (11, in this case) data folks: Kerry, as a reminder, OSM is unable to use data derived from Google Maps, so I had to again follow text-based directions to complete the following. By way of eliminating my earlier FIXME tags, Elliott’s newer tags of “cycleway:right=shoulder” are quite helpful and truly do disambiguate how one might ride through here (even as OCM does not explicitly render these, as OSM is primarily about correct tagging, not necessarily any particular rendering). • I added some “forward” role tags to elements in the USBR 11 relation which clarify that the southbound-only portion of the route follow the cloverleaf (between SR 67 and US 340) and onto Keep Tryst Road. • Kerry’s assertion that the southbound route takes the right hand ramp from the southern end of SR 67 onto US 340 for about 500 feet is a little short: my JOSM session reports that segment (after the 270-degree “cloverleaf” and up to the right turn onto Keep Tryst Road) is about 1682 feet. • I slightly modified the final approach on Keep Tryst Road so that instead of its final right turn “hook” instead it cuts through the parking lot, skirting parked cars on the service road (unsigned_ref=180A) to pick up the Appalachian Trail. This is where the forward role tags end for the southbound-only segment, as N-only and S-only split/join here. • The northbound-only segment now includes Keep Tryst Road west of the parking lot and about a half-mile (2533 feet) on US 340 back to the “trumpet curve” (exit from US 340) and onto MD 67 starting with the bridge over US 340, again with “forward” role tags as appropriate. The relation as just entered can be viewed directly with: http://www.osm.org/relation/4095725#map=16/39.3284/-77.6924&layers=C where the orange superimposed line shows the new edits/corrections. However, the usual caveat that this will take a few days (weeks for low zooms) in OpenCycleMap do apply. In the meantime, the orange line (newly corrected relation) can be compared to the older red USBR route line until the re-rendering is complete, when these will match each other. If I/we STILL don’t have this right, I sure would like to hear about it! Thanks to everybody for the joint effort at getting this corrected. SteveA California > On Jun 19, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Kerry Irons wrote: > > Not sure how this got missed but attached is the detail map from MDDOT. It’s > a little hard to read on my monitor but the red line is the NB route. Thanks > as always. > > > Kerry > > From: Brad Neuhauser [mailto:brad.neuhau...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:10 AM > To: Kerry Irons > Cc: Elliott Plack ; OSM Volunteer stevea > ; Wade ; FTA/Ethan > ; Phil! Gold ; > talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM? > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Kerry Irons wrote: >> The NB route uses Keep Tryst Rd. west from the path to connect with US 340 >> for about 1,500 ft. headed east and then onto the ramp to SR 67. The SB >> route takes the right hand ramp from the southern end of SR 67 onto US 340 >> for about 500 ft. and then right onto Keep Tryst Rd. and then onto the path. >> The route uses the towpath, not Sandy Hook Rd. >> > So, where they split, it looks like the NB route isn't tagged at all, just > the SB route. > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM?
Correct. I’ll send the MDDOT map to Steve All. Not sure what happened that the full route didn’t get there, but it’s a feature of OSM that people find these things and they get fixed! Kerry From: Brad Neuhauser [mailto:brad.neuhau...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:10 AM To: Kerry Irons Cc: Elliott Plack ; OSM Volunteer stevea ; Wade ; FTA/Ethan ; Phil! Gold ; talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM? On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Kerry Irons mailto:irons54vor...@gmail.com> > wrote: The NB route uses Keep Tryst Rd. west from the path to connect with US 340 for about 1,500 ft. headed east and then onto the ramp to SR 67. The SB route takes the right hand ramp from the southern end of SR 67 onto US 340 for about 500 ft. and then right onto Keep Tryst Rd. and then onto the path. The route uses the towpath, not Sandy Hook Rd. So, where they split, it looks like the NB route isn't tagged at all, just the SB route. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM?
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Kerry Irons wrote: > The NB route uses Keep Tryst Rd. west from the path to connect with US 340 > for about 1,500 ft. headed east and then onto the ramp to SR 67. The SB > route takes the right hand ramp from the southern end of SR 67 onto US 340 > for about 500 ft. and then right onto Keep Tryst Rd. and then onto the > path. The route uses the towpath, not Sandy Hook Rd. > > > So, where they split, it looks like the NB route isn't tagged at all, just the SB route. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
