Re: [Talk-us] What is a sockpuppet (sock puppet?)

[Rihards]

On 2018.04.23. 19:58, Charlotte Wolter wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>     Sorry I'm not up on the latest OSM slang, but
> what is a sockpuppet (sock puppet?)?

That's a bit older than OSM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet) is a good overview.

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[Talk-us] What is a sockpuppet (sock puppet?)

[Charlotte Wolter]

Hello,

Sorry I'm not up on the latest OSM slang, but
what is a sockpuppet (sock puppet?)?

Charlotte



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[Talk-us] United States Bicycle Route ballots pending AASHTO approval

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

It's a busy time for new national bicycle routes in the USA's USBRS!  To help 
OSM "get ahead of the curve" of May's AASHTO ballot, several USBR applications 
by state DOTs have been made available, allowing OSM to enter these 
state-at-a-time national bicycle route data.  Currently

a USBR 35 realignment in Michigan,
USBR 50 in Nevada,
USBR 66 in Missouri and
USBR 221 and USBR 421 re-numberings

are Spring 2018 ballot items which have been completed or need no additional 
work in OSM, while

USBR 15 in Georgia and
USBR 36 in Pennsylvania

have been "seeded" as route relations at termini, yet still need to be fully 
entered into OSM.  Please visit our wiki 
https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/WikiProject_U.S._Bicycle_Route_System for links to 
the route data ballots (OSM-US has explicit permission to enter these).

USBRs 21 and 25 in Ohio, while "rumored" to be on this semi-annual ballot, do 
not have what OSM considers as route data from ODOT suitable to meet OSM's 
"high bar standard" sufficient to enter into OSM.  When/as these data become 
available (likely as an AASHTO application), the project will endeavor to make 
these data more widely available.

So if you're in Georgia or Pennsylvania (or even if not!) and want to help 
build Earth's largest official cycling route network, check it out and have fun!

SteveA
California
USBRS in OSM guy (among other hats I wear)
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

Hyperbole? Not at all. It appears in just the one changeset, 57914505, this user created approximately 5,800 untagged nodes. The user was contacted, but does not respond. There are 6-8 new users who just started editing in and around Denver. Circumstantial evidence seems to indicagte they are part of a team in that they all started about the same time, their edits are remarkably similar and they all use the same changeset comment, "adding parking". They don't respond to changeset comments.In this changeset (not Denver), the user created some odd lines. Maybe they mean something, but I don't understand them. If the user replied, it would help to understand the user's edits. This does not look like, "added parking". I'm not hating on new users. I would love for them to join OSM and help map. All I'm saying is that there is a new group of mappers who are creating poor edits and will not communicate.https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?changeset=57918111#map=17/33.10686/-117.18078-Original Message-
From: Greg Morgan 
Sent: Apr 23, 2018 11:10 AM
To: "ajt1...@gmail.com" 
Cc: Talk 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user	Nakaner-repair

On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 11:42 PM, ajt1...@gmail.com  wrote:
  

  
  
On 23/04/2018 03:40, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com wrote:

  
  I fully support the efforts of Nakaner.
There are 6-8 users creating a mess in the Denver, Colorado
area.


What'd really help matters would be if local mappers could comment
on changesets by new mappers (both "good" and "bad").  I see that
someone's already commented on a couple of the "thousands of node
additions" that you're presumably referring to here (if that was you
- thanks!), but often locals are by far the best people to say "that
doesn't look correct".  See
https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/57929974 for an example near me
by one of the "organised" mappers that alerted GB and DE mappers to
the problems there.


  


See
here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=5538075288#map=19/39.71967/-104.98736Okay so Jack fully supports Nakaner.  He reports that 6-8 users are creating a mess in the Denver, Colorado area.  If we look at the node that Jack is pointing to, then we will see that Victoria1901, https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Victoria1901 has made 30 edits.  There are zero blocks against her.   Hyperbole!  Hyperbole!  So she didn't draw in the way.  Honestly, are we going to grow new mappers or not.  We have to let new people fail.  That's part of the learning process.  In the same area is chachafish, https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chachafish.  The user has 124,710 edits.  Is there something that you don't like?  So have I covered two of the 6-8 editors messing up Denver Colorado?Regards,Greg


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Re: [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair

[Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com]

I fully support the efforts of Nakaner. There are 6-8 users creating a mess in the Denver, Colorado area.See here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=5538075288#map=19/39.71967/-104.98736-Original Message->From: EthnicFood IsGreat >Sent: Apr 22, 2018 11:28 PM>To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org>Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair>>> As a member of the US community, I'm in favor of reverting the bad >> edits, even if it removes some good contributions.>> Mark - Message: 1>> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 13:27:14 + (UTC)>> From: Mikel Maron >> To: Michael Reichert ,  Talk-us>> 	>> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair>> Message-ID: <232049907.3007698.1524317234...@mail.yahoo.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"   blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Nakaner>> This is an epic effort and appreciated.>> But there are two things that need to be cleared up.>>>   The choice was to either accept that OSM>> is overrun by a army of sockpuppets who ignore us at all or to make the>> time/money they invest into editing a waste of time/money by reverting their edits even if it removes good contributions. That's sad but what is the alternative? It's not a binary choice. The alternative is to establish good dialogue with the communities you are monitoring (the US on this case), and make sure there is awareness and buy in to your proposed action. I don't think that would be difficult or time consuming but does take consideration of other mappers in OSM who you don't regularly communicate with.>>>   There is no formal policy yet but that doesn't mean that they can do what they want to do. If it is against the interests of the community, it's against the existing unwritten rules.>> There is no such thing that gives anyone the right for large scale vigilante actions. There is enough justification to potentially take action (after discussion and with proper communication) -- sock puppets for one -- that you don't need to invoke organized editing.   If and when we do have a policy, we in the osmf will also need to develop clear guidance on how it is communicated and implemented. Mikel On Friday, April 20, 2018, 8:22 PM, Michael Reichert  wrote: Hi, Am 20.04.2018 um 17:13 schrieb Ian Dees:>>> I noticed that user Nakaner-repair just reverted 1000+ changesets>>> throughout the United States without any discussion in the local community.>>> Nakaner-repair points to a thread in the German forum [0] that seems to>>> indicate that they think these edits were made by paid mappers. Having not>>> heard from those suspected paid mappers, they went ahead and reverted>>> without discussion from the local community.>> TL;DR A group of mappers (presumeably from UTC+5) started adding>> highway=service and doing wrong quality assurance on roads in Europe and>> the U.S. in mid/end of March. British and later German mappers found>> these strange edits last week, some German searched for more accounts,>> SomeoneElse and myself wrote changeset comments and SomeoneElse (DWG)>> blocked many on them. Unfortunately, the 0-hour user blocks are not as useful as they are>> usually (and I expected them to be). They have been ignored and they>> continued editing or created sockpuppets. Longer blocks were ignored and>> they continued editing after the block. Changeset comments were not>> answered or the response did not answer the question. Since this week, they don't do any QA on roads any more and only add>> highway=service in the U.S. They create new accounts if their old>> accounts are blocked. This pattern now repeats day by day and the last>> resort was to revert their work because that causes financial damage (I>> hope they get paid). Please see some inline comments/responses on Ian's questions below. ->> The full story: On 2018-03-29 Will Phillips writes to the Talk-gb mailing list that he>> observed "a series of edits with users removing or changing access and>> oneway tags". He describes the quality of these edits as "very poor". At>> that time "none of them has yet responded to changeset comments".>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2018-March/021259.html SomeoneElse suggests him to write an email to d...@osmfoundation.org>> (the DWG).>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2018-March/021260.html I am not subscribed to Talk-gb and did not notice it at that time. On 2018-04-09 tux67 creates a new thread on the German forum because he>> found two users (sri_harsha and Premsakhare) editing roads globally>> without local knowledge. He asks other 

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Undiscussed mass-revert by user Nakaner-repair

[Greg Morgan]

On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 7:40 PM, Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com <
jacknst...@sprynet.com> wrote:

> I fully support the efforts of Nakaner. There are 6-8 users creating a
> mess in the Denver, Colorado area.
>
> See here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=
> 5538075288#map=19/39.71967/-104.98736
>


I cannot tell.  What is it that these six to eight mappers are doing?  Are
these the same six to eight mappers that are receiving blocks?

Regards,
Greg
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