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Re: [Talk-us] FW: US Bicycle Route 1 through Daytona Beach

2019-12-30 Thread Clifford Snow

Kerry - the new cycle path has been added. See
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/29.19623/-81.01173

Do you know if it is paved or what kind of surface? Is it supposed to
connect to the ECG, the East Coast Greenway route? From Strava it doesn't
appear to?

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 4:41 PM Kerry Irons  wrote:

> Thanks Clifford.  I will explore ways Adventure Cycling might recruit
> mappers.
>

Let us know if we could help with your website by providing instructions on
how to update OSM.

As a side note, Tesla drivers discovered that the cars use OSM basemaps.
They have been updating parking lots so drivers can "summons" their
vehicles. When it was discovered we had a big increase in new mappers.

Best,
Clifford

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Re: [Talk-us] FW: US Bicycle Route 1 through Daytona Beach

2019-12-30 Thread Kerry Irons

Thanks Clifford.  I will explore ways Adventure Cycling might recruit mappers.

 

 

Kerry

 

From: Clifford Snow  
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 6:43 PM
To: Kerry Irons 
Cc: talk-us 
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] FW: US Bicycle Route 1 through Daytona Beach

 

I passed along your request on the US Slack Channel. Sam Ley is going to take a 
look at the area tonight. 

 

Can you also ask your subscribers to add the route? Do you have instructions on 
your site to add and update cycle routes in OSM which could help us get more 
needed mappers?

 

Best,

Clifford

 

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 2:19 PM Kerry Irons mailto:irons54vor...@gmail.com> > wrote:

All,

Another "bike path that doesn't show up in OCM or OSM" in FL.  This is in 
Daytona Beach: neither Google Maps or OpenStreetMap show the new bike path at 
Bethune Point Park between Bellevue Ave. and Shady Pl.  It does show up on 
Google Satellite but when you "Get Directions" with Google Maps and choose the 
bicycle icon from the choice list, Google Maps routes you onto S. Beach St.  
The city wants USBR 1 to use this path but it's not possible to provide them 
with a route map when OSM doesn't recognize this path.  I've suggested to the 
City that they should notify Google Maps but I'm guessing the OSM community can 
put this right well before Google would respond.  

Any OSM mappers on the ground near Daytona Beach that can capture this new bike 
path in OSM?


Kerry Irons
Adventure Cycling Association
989-513-7871


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Re: [Talk-us] FW: US Bicycle Route 1 through Daytona Beach

2019-12-30 Thread Clifford Snow

I passed along your request on the US Slack Channel. Sam Ley is going to
take a look at the area tonight.

Can you also ask your subscribers to add the route? Do you have
instructions on your site to add and update cycle routes in OSM which could
help us get more needed mappers?

Best,
Clifford

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 2:19 PM Kerry Irons  wrote:

> All,
>
> Another "bike path that doesn't show up in OCM or OSM" in FL.  This is in
> Daytona Beach: neither Google Maps or OpenStreetMap show the new bike path
> at Bethune Point Park between Bellevue Ave. and Shady Pl.  It does show up
> on Google Satellite but when you "Get Directions" with Google Maps and
> choose the bicycle icon from the choice list, Google Maps routes you onto
> S. Beach St.  The city wants USBR 1 to use this path but it's not possible
> to provide them with a route map when OSM doesn't recognize this path.
> I've suggested to the City that they should notify Google Maps but I'm
> guessing the OSM community can put this right well before Google would
> respond.
>
> Any OSM mappers on the ground near Daytona Beach that can capture this new
> bike path in OSM?
>
>
> Kerry Irons
> Adventure Cycling Association
> 989-513-7871
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Alt_names on counties

2019-12-30 Thread Bryan Housel

They could all have `operator:wikidata=Q7414497`, then there is no confusion.  

A dataset of all operators in OSM linked to wikidata QIDs will be coming soon, 
I promise! 

We already have this for brands, and it’s pretty rad:  https://nsi.guide


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 30, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Ray Kiddy  wrote:
> 
> Is there a way that the alt_name vs name situation can be sorted for a key 
> like "operator"?
> 
> For example, the "San Jose Unified School District" in California gives too 
> few results in overpass. Add queries for "San José Unified School District" 
> and you are good.
> 
> If I was looking at the district, it would work to have the name without the 
> accent as "name" and then, without the accent, it would be the "alt_name".
> 
> But there is no "operator" or "alt_operator" tag on the schools, so I guess I 
> keep having to use this?
> 
> [out:json][timeout:25];
> // gather results
> (
>   // query part for: “operator="San Jose Unified School District"”
>   node["operator"="San Jose Unified School District"];
>   way["operator"="San Jose Unified School District"];
>   relation["operator"="San Jose Unified School District"];
>   node["operator"="San José Unified School District"];
>   way["operator"="San José Unified School District"];
>   relation["operator"="San José Unified School District"];
> );
> // print results
> out body;
> >;
> out skel qt;
> 
> cheers - ray
> 
> 
>> On 12/27/19 9:57 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>> Thanks, Tod.
>> 
>> BTW, I believe the "official_name" for all California counties is now
>> in the format "County of Los Angeles", right? This shouldn't be used
>> for the "name=" since almost everyone still puts the County last (e.g.
>> "Los Angeles County") in common usage, but official documents will use
>> the other way with "of" in the middle.
>> 
>> Joseph Eisenberg
>> 
>>> On 12/28/19, Tod Fitch  wrote:
>>> Based on this discussion and my own checking to see what search engines are
>>> doing with the data, I think it would be okay to move the alt_name tag value
>>> to be a short_name value for the counties in California and Arizona where
>>> the current alt_name tag is the same string as the name but without a “
>>> County” suffix. For example:
>>> 
>>> alt_name=“Los Angeles”
>>> name=“Los Angeles County”
>>> 
>>> Changed to
>>> 
>>> name=“Los Angeles County”
>>> short_name=“Los Angeles”
>>> 
>>> From my side this is now just a desire to be logical and consistent (not
>>> always a trait seen in OSM tagging). My initial annoyance has been dealt
>>> with on my topo map rendering by creating a Postgresql function that, among
>>> other things, will ignore alt_name values if they fit the above criteria. As
>>> noted by Joseph Eisenberg, the alt_name/short_name value could probably be
>>> dropped in these cases but I suspect that will get more push back than
>>> changing the tag.
>>> 
>>> — Tod
>>> 
 On Dec 27, 2019, at 7:21 PM, Joseph Eisenberg 
 wrote:
 
 It's not necessary to add an alternative like "Josephine" if the name=
 is already "Josephine County" because geocoding and search application
 already know to search for part of a name.
 
 For example this search already finds the "Josephine County"
 administrative boundary as the first result:
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Josephine - and there is no
 short alt_name or short_name.
 
 So I think there is no reason to have this information duplicated if
 we are just worried about search.
 
 -Joseph Eisenberg
 
 On 12/27/19, stevea  wrote:
> I truly love the level of detail we get "coming out of the woodwork" so
> that
> we may have excellent real-life examples to share with one another (and
> +1
> to one another, too!)
> 
> To be brief about it (rare for me, I endeavor to get better):  good
> examples, discussion / dialog and sharing our real-world experiences and
> knowledge is only going to help things.  If somebody reading now has a
> more-concrete understanding of differences between old-, alt-,
> official-,
> and so on, hooray.  If such sharper focus finds its way into a
> more-enlightened sentence or paragraph in a wiki, great.
> 
> Chip, chip, chipping away at it (are all of us),
> SteveA
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Re: [Talk-us] Alt_names on counties

2019-12-30 Thread Ray Kiddy

Is there a way that the alt_name vs name situation can be sorted for a 
key like "operator"?


For example, the "San Jose Unified School District" in California gives 
too few results in overpass. Add queries for "San José Unified School 
District" and you are good.


If I was looking at the district, it would work to have the name without 
the accent as "name" and then, without the accent, it would be the 
"alt_name".


But there is no "operator" or "alt_operator" tag on the schools, so I 
guess I keep having to use this?


    [out:json][timeout:25];
    // gather results
    (
      // query part for: “operator="San Jose Unified School District"”
      node["operator"="San Jose Unified School District"];
      way["operator"="San Jose Unified School District"];
      relation["operator"="San Jose Unified School District"];
      node["operator"="San José Unified School District"];
      way["operator"="San José Unified School District"];
      relation["operator"="San José Unified School District"];
    );
    // print results
    out body;
    >;
    out skel qt;

cheers - ray


On 12/27/19 9:57 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

Thanks, Tod.

BTW, I believe the "official_name" for all California counties is now
in the format "County of Los Angeles", right? This shouldn't be used
for the "name=" since almost everyone still puts the County last (e.g.
"Los Angeles County") in common usage, but official documents will use
the other way with "of" in the middle.

Joseph Eisenberg

On 12/28/19, Tod Fitch  wrote:

Based on this discussion and my own checking to see what search engines are
doing with the data, I think it would be okay to move the alt_name tag value
to be a short_name value for the counties in California and Arizona where
the current alt_name tag is the same string as the name but without a “
County” suffix. For example:

alt_name=“Los Angeles”
name=“Los Angeles County”

Changed to

name=“Los Angeles County”
short_name=“Los Angeles”

 From my side this is now just a desire to be logical and consistent (not
always a trait seen in OSM tagging). My initial annoyance has been dealt
with on my topo map rendering by creating a Postgresql function that, among
other things, will ignore alt_name values if they fit the above criteria. As
noted by Joseph Eisenberg, the alt_name/short_name value could probably be
dropped in these cases but I suspect that will get more push back than
changing the tag.

— Tod


On Dec 27, 2019, at 7:21 PM, Joseph Eisenberg 
wrote:

It's not necessary to add an alternative like "Josephine" if the name=
is already "Josephine County" because geocoding and search application
already know to search for part of a name.

For example this search already finds the "Josephine County"
administrative boundary as the first result:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Josephine - and there is no
short alt_name or short_name.

So I think there is no reason to have this information duplicated if
we are just worried about search.

-Joseph Eisenberg

On 12/27/19, stevea  wrote:

I truly love the level of detail we get "coming out of the woodwork" so
that
we may have excellent real-life examples to share with one another (and
+1
to one another, too!)

To be brief about it (rare for me, I endeavor to get better):  good
examples, discussion / dialog and sharing our real-world experiences and
knowledge is only going to help things.  If somebody reading now has a
more-concrete understanding of differences between old-, alt-,
official-,
and so on, hooray.  If such sharper focus finds its way into a
more-enlightened sentence or paragraph in a wiki, great.

Chip, chip, chipping away at it (are all of us),
SteveA

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[Talk-us] FW: US Bicycle Route 1 through Daytona Beach

2019-12-30 Thread Kerry Irons

All,

Another "bike path that doesn't show up in OCM or OSM" in FL.  This is in 
Daytona Beach: neither Google Maps or OpenStreetMap show the new bike path at 
Bethune Point Park between Bellevue Ave. and Shady Pl.  It does show up on 
Google Satellite but when you "Get Directions" with Google Maps and choose the 
bicycle icon from the choice list, Google Maps routes you onto S. Beach St.  
The city wants USBR 1 to use this path but it's not possible to provide them 
with a route map when OSM doesn't recognize this path.  I've suggested to the 
City that they should notify Google Maps but I'm guessing the OSM community can 
put this right well before Google would respond.  

Any OSM mappers on the ground near Daytona Beach that can capture this new bike 
path in OSM?


Kerry Irons
Adventure Cycling Association
989-513-7871


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[Talk-us] Suggested tag migration protocol for CPAD data

2019-12-30 Thread stevea

For those in California who curate (multi)polygons from CPAD (California 
Protected Area Database), I have created a brief wiki with suggestions:

https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Using_CPAD_data

This is a result of some changeset comments (changeset/78511793) which called 
out leaving in extraneous CPAD tags (in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS and seemed to annoy 
some as "foreign tags").

In short, there are eight or nine tags which are useful to logically map to OSM 
tags (and a table says how), while the others (often sixteen or so) should be 
deleted.  However, for legacy reasons before this takes effect (now and going 
forward), please leave alone the tags UNIT_ID (useful as a unique identifier) 
and ACRES (which acts as a checksum of data between CPAD versions without 
tedious visual inspection, as this has poor fault-tolerance due to human 
eyeballs only seeing larger changes).

Thanks,
SteveA
California
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[Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2019-12-28

2019-12-30 Thread Dave Hansen

These are based off of Lambertus's work here:

http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

If you have questions or comments about these maps, please feel
free to ask.  However, please do not send me private mail.  The
odds are, someone else will have the same questions, and by
asking on the talk-us@ list, others can benefit.

Downloads:

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2019-12-28

Map to visualize what each file contains:


http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2019-12-28/kml/kml.html


FAQ



Why did you do this?

I wrote scripts to joined them myself to lessen the impact
of doing a large join on Lambertus's server.  I've also
cut them in large longitude swaths that should fit conveniently
on removable media.  

http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2019-12-28

Can or should I seed the torrents?

Yes!!  If you use the .torrent files, please seed.  That web
server is in the UK, and it helps to have some peers on this
side of the Atlantic.

Why is my map missing small rectangular areas?

There have been some missing tiles from Lambertus's map (the
red rectangles),  I don't see any at the moment, so you may
want to update if you had issues with the last set.

Why can I not copy the large files to my new SD card?

If you buy a new card (especially SDHC), some are FAT16 from
the factory.  I had to reformat it to let me create a >2GB
file.

Does your map cover Mexico/Canada?

Yes!!  I have, for the purposes of this map, annexed Ontario
in to the USA.  Some areas of North America that are close
to the US also just happen to get pulled in to these maps.
This might not happen forever, and if you would like your
non-US area to get included, let me know. 

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