Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Extremely long Amtrak route relations / coastline v. water

2020-11-22 Thread Clay Smalley
On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 11:12 AM Dave F via Tagging <
tagg...@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> On 22/11/2020 11:24, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>
>
> I sincerely hope "I'm in favor of fixing" translates as "I'm planning to
> fix", though I fear I may be disappointed.
>
> More broadly, we need to nip this "oh just fix the tools" stuff in the
> bud. (etc)
>
>
> Likewise we need to stop software developers from expecting contributors
> to add data purely because they can't be bothered/not competent enough to
> write a few lines of code. (OSM-carto demanding boundaries on ways &
> numerous routers expecting multiple foodways to criss-cross pedestrian
> areas, are just two examples)
>
> Contributing to the database (also *volunteers*) are expected to map to a
> certain standard. There shouldn't be a reason to expect develops not to do
> the same.
>

If it's so easy, why don't you write the "few lines of code" necessary to
fix this issue?


> Desiring relations to list in their entirety is *not* a "0.1% case".
> Splitting them into 'super relations' should not be the desired, final
> solution.
>

Amtrak routes, like many other public transit routes, are already split
into super-relations (see [1], [2]). This is a non-issue. I've already
decided to split up long-distance Amtrak routes into more manageable
chunks, especially since I'm the one who takes on most of the work of
managing them. My original question was *how* to split them up, not
*whether* to split them. I'm not convinced that attempts to persuade me not
to do so are helpful in any way, so I'm going to consider them off-topic
and ignore them.

-Clay

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route_master

[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amtrak
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Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Extremely long Amtrak route relations / coastline v. water

2020-11-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us



Nov 22, 2020, 17:08 by tagg...@openstreetmap.org:

> Likewise we need to stop software developers from expectingcontributors 
> to add data purely because they can't be bothered/notcompetent enough to 
> write a few lines of code. (OSM-carto demandingboundaries on ways)
>
[citation needed] for OSM-carto demandingboundaries on ways

Also [citation needed] for OSM-Carto support for boundary relations being 
extremely easy to implement

>  & numerous routers expecting multiplefoodways to criss-cross pedestrian 
> areas, are just two examples) 
>
Also [citation needed] for that reason is
"can't be bothered/notcompetent enough to write a few lines of code" 

>  If developers are offended at receiving suggestions on how toimprove 
> their software, or even have it criticized, then they shouldrescind it. 
>
If you insult others, claim that something is trivial to implement (it is not),
while something you demand is implemented already and suggest that
anyone offended by your comments should stop releasing software

I would say that it is quite poor way to encourage volunteer
contributors to implement what you want.
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