Re: [Talk-us] Any foursquare/OSM editing update? How about Craigslist?
Thanks for providing a peek at the inside of MQ, Randy. :-) Minh, nice to know that 4S lead to a couple of mappers in your area. Are they continuing to map? Any indication that they are surveying, or are they restricting themselves to armchair mapping? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Any foursquare/OSM editing update? How about Craigslist?
Thanks for that Randy. Echoing your themes: the global home page, and especially the US home page, do seem to assume people will jump right into general purpose mapping. The underlying assumption seems to be 'if *they* only had known OSM exists, they'd become dedicated mappers'. I think there is more potential in pulling people in via interest areas. Maybe it's specific POI types ( http://www.poi-factory.com/ ), or social goals, or clubbing, or Realtors, surfing spots, mosques, environment, amusement parks, or whatever. I know I've brought in a few on water fountain mapping, who would not otherwise have seen a meaning in mapping via osm. There are plenty of organizations that could contribute users in narrow areas. Rails to Trails Conservancy springs to mind, as do The Nature Conservancy and Ducks Unlimited. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Any foursquare/OSM editing update? How about Craigslist?
Hi, Richard Fairhurst, posted an blog about attributing OSM this weekd. http://blog.systemed.net//post/7 Beyond attributing OSM, hopefully our large commercial users can take it a step further and provide a way of editing OSM from their user interface. For example, in August, Foursquare announced they were going to build in editing interface. https://www.mapbox.com/blog/connecting-foursquare-openstreetmap/ I was interested in how that is going? Also, in the same train of thought, It would be fantastic if Craigslist could have an OSM edit button. If that is not possible, how about at least updating the Craigslist tiles more often. Right now Craigslist updates the tiles once a month. Even if a very motivated Craigslist users understands what OSM is, that they can make an edit in osm.org, and have it show up in Craigslist's maps, the slow tile updates make it impossible to actually fix the map for a specific Craigslist listing. There is no reason for a Craigslist user to update OSM, if they can't get the map fixed in *their* listing. Jason ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Any foursquare/OSM editing update? How about Craigslist?
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Richard Fairhurst, posted an blog about attributing OSM this weekd. http://blog.systemed.net//post/7 Beyond attributing OSM, hopefully our large commercial users can take it a step further and provide a way of editing OSM from their user interface. For example, in August, Foursquare announced they were going to build in editing interface. https://www.mapbox.com/blog/connecting-foursquare-openstreetmap/ I was interested in how that is going? They weren't going to build an editing interface, the Edit link on the map there leads to osm.org/edit for the lat/lon of the area they were looking at. Also, in the same train of thought, It would be fantastic if Craigslist could have an OSM edit button. If that is not possible, how about at least updating the Craigslist tiles more often. Right now Craigslist updates the tiles once a month. Even if a very motivated Craigslist users understands what OSM is, that they can make an edit in osm.org, and have it show up in Craigslist's maps, the slow tile updates make it impossible to actually fix the map for a specific Craigslist listing. There is no reason for a Craigslist user to update OSM, if they can't get the map fixed in *their* listing. Craigslist's listing submit system already posts notes directly to OSM.org when the user clicks on a data is wrong button. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Any foursquare/OSM editing update? How about Craigslist?
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Beyond attributing OSM, hopefully our large commercial users can take it a step further and provide a way of editing OSM from their user interface. I'm really interested in this topic, but it's tricky. Long ago when I was at MapQuest, some kook (me?) floated a crazy idea that we should switch the whole thing over to OSM -- all 50mm monthly unique users at the time -- and give the tools to edit any errors (this was Potlatch II back then). Quite obviously this didn't/wouldn't happen! Why not? Because if you make a venn diagram of users who want to use a local/mapping product and users who want to edit one *actively*, there's honestly not much overlap. Products need to do right by their users. We offered the ability to edit the map on the open products at MapQuest, but I don't remember there being much new interest. I suspect this is the same for Foursquare -- people use Foursquare for the social recommendation aspects, not to edit a map. The use of *passive* user data to improve a map would be a lot easier, and of course mapping products with their own datasets do this all the time. But it's not easy to do that with OSM due to licensing and community issues. And that's all good, of course! I would be interested to see a new class of companies using the OSM API, signing in new users with OSM's oauth service, and then using OSM as their database of record for POIs, etc. If a new entrepreneur starting something like Yelp or Foursquare now were to do this successfully, that would be interesting. Of course the point can't be editing a map -- there has to be something to lure in your average user. -Randy ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Any foursquare/OSM editing update? How about Craigslist?
On 16:07 2014-01-19, Randy Meech wrote: Why not? Because if you make a venn diagram of users who want to use a local/mapping product and users who want to edit one *actively*, there's honestly not much overlap. Products need to do right by their users. We offered the ability to edit the map on the open products at MapQuest, but I don't remember there being much new interest. I suspect this is the same for Foursquare -- people use Foursquare for the social recommendation aspects, not to edit a map. When Foursquare switched to OSM, they brought in several new mappers from Greater Cincinnati, one of them a superuser. Judging from their first edits, they may have been attracted to the broad building coverage we had in the area. From the user perspective, building outlines beyond downtown were the only noticeable advantage Mapbox Streets had over Google at the time, and the only thing that livened up the map. (Google has much broader building coverage now.) -- m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Any foursquare/OSM editing update? How about Craigslist?
Hi, For Foursquare, I am interested in knowing if it has been rolled out everywhere, do they have any idea how much the edit button has been pressed, and if it has caused any support burden or other unexpected problems. As a baseline, hopefully adding the edit button does not harm... Of course the point can't be editing a map -- there has to be something to lure in your average user. I assert, that there are CL users that would be motivated for themselves at fixing issues on the map. Check this note out. http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/8602 At the time the OSM did not have the two lakes. The CL user was trying to rent/sell a property that is on a lake, but the lake is not in the map, big problem! Even if they figured out that fixing this on osm.org, also fixes it in CL, the slow tile update cycle means that the fix would in fact not appear back in CL in time for that specific listing. It is currently impossible for somebody to fix issues in the map, and help themselves on CL. Also, many CL notes notes in OSM are from errors in the address look up, which is not even OSM data. They say something like the wrong map is displayed here. There is nothing we can do with them because we don't know the address that they were searching for and the note is note placed at the location that address should have been at. All we know is some address is wrong/missing inside of the this bounding box. We don't even get a back link to the listing associated with the note. I think CL could do more without compromising the mission of the company. Thanks Jason ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Any foursquare/OSM editing update? How about Craigslist?
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Of course the point can't be editing a map -- there has to be something to lure in your average user. I assert, that there are CL users that would be motivated for themselves at fixing issues on the map. Check this note out. http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/8602 At the time the OSM did not have the two lakes. The CL user was trying to rent/sell a property that is on a lake, but the lake is not in the map, big problem! Makes sense. To be clear, in that paragraph I wasn't saying that an average user would never edit a map. They certainly would given the right incentive. Highlighting their waterfront real estate would seem a pretty big incentive if the tools were highlighted. -Randy ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
