Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[Paul Johnson]

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:57 AM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:

>
> When entering data in OSM make sure that you are not editing with
> different teams on the same area. This may produce data conflicts.
>
>
This plugin can be useful to help coordinate while editing:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/GeoChat
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[Volker Schmidt]

Two notes:

Mapillary is great, but upload (from phone or from computer) can be very
slow. I have not yet been able to establish what conditions the upload
speed. My experience is that it is much faster in the (European) morning
than in the (European) afternoon/evening. So allow plenty of time (several
hours) between taking Mapillary photos and the successive data entry session

When entering data in OSM make sure that you are not editing with different
teams on the same area. This may produce data conflicts.

Happy mapping

Volker
Padova, Italy
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[Russ Nelson]

Alex Barth writes:
 > It would be great to have this topic at State of the Map US as a talk,
 > workshop or a mapping party http://stateofthemap.us/

Whoa! We could have a mapping party to talk about mapping parties!
Awesome!

I expect to be there. I will bring my Columbus V-990, which is the
most awesome piece of mapping hardware in existance.

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[Alex Barth]

It would be great to have this topic at State of the Map US as a talk,
workshop or a mapping party http://stateofthemap.us/

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Andrew Wiseman  wrote:

> I'd also suggest the Pushpin app for iPhones too, it's a very quick way to
> add points that you can then add the details to later. On a previous
> mapathon I was doing Pushpin while my buddy was writing down the details
> (address, hours, website etc) to add back when we got to the library. It
> worked great!
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On Monday, March 9, 2015, stevea  wrote:
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>> I don't want to gush in a too self-congratulatory way, but the comments,
>> tone, replies... we've seen on this thread have been awesome.  Very nicely
>> contributed, everybody, back pats and thumbs up all around.
>>
>> Keeping quiet for a bit now,
>>
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[Andrew Wiseman]

I'd also suggest the Pushpin app for iPhones too, it's a very quick way to
add points that you can then add the details to later. On a previous
mapathon I was doing Pushpin while my buddy was writing down the details
(address, hours, website etc) to add back when we got to the library. It
worked great!

Andrew

On Monday, March 9, 2015, stevea  wrote:

> I don't want to gush in a too self-congratulatory way, but the comments,
> tone, replies... we've seen on this thread have been awesome.  Very nicely
> contributed, everybody, back pats and thumbs up all around.
>
> Keeping quiet for a bit now,
>
> SteveA
> California
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[stevea]

I don't want to gush in a too self-congratulatory way, but the 
comments, tone, replies... we've seen on this thread have been 
awesome.  Very nicely contributed, everybody, back pats and thumbs up 
all around.


Keeping quiet for a bit now,

SteveA
California

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[Harald Kliems]

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:20 PM Simon Poole  wrote:

>
> The real core question is: will you have newbies or not?
>
I believe we will be more on the newbie side. There was a Maptime meet with
an introduction to OSM in November, which generated a couple new
contributors who will hopefully show up. So I'm personally aiming at
showing people who already know what OSM is how to do non-armchair mapping.
Actually improving data quality is only a secondary goal. If things go
well, we can have follow-up meetings that focus more on the later. But who
knows who's actually going to show up.

It just occurred to me that I have no clue how to edit with iD. Probably
something to look into before the meet-up.


> If you have newbies you need to think about if you want to pair them up
> with old hands or have them go out and learn the ropes on their own
> (I've tried both and there are likely an even number of pros and cons
> for both).
>
I would have gone with the former option but see how the other option could
work too.

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[Simon Poole]

Now days there is quite a lot of on-device help for the not so obvious
parts (not that there are many). I admit that that needs to be dumped on
a website (is one of the things fairly high on the TODO list).

Back on topic: naturally one of the interesting things about a mapping
party -is- to see how other mappers work, even for contributors very
much ingrained in how they do it.

Simon

Am 09.03.2015 um 20:23 schrieb Clifford Snow:
> 
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Simon Poole  > wrote:
> 
> (obviously for nearly every thing except large scale
> geometry changes vespucci is the only reasonable solution :-)).
> 
> 
> Simon,
> Your are going to have to come to Seattle and teach us how to use
> Vespucci. We really struggle trying to use it. Maybe it has something to
> do with all the legal pot we have available :-)
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[Clifford Snow]

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> (obviously for nearly every thing except large scale
> geometry changes vespucci is the only reasonable solution :-)).
>

Simon,
Your are going to have to come to Seattle and teach us how to use Vespucci.
We really struggle trying to use it. Maybe it has something to do with all
the legal pot we have available :-)


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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

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On 09/03/2015 16:09, Harald Kliems wrote:

Does this sound reasonable? Anything else I should be thinking of?


I'll apologise upfront in case any of this sounds like "the bleeding 
obvious" - I'm sure you'll have thought through lots of this and more 
already...


One thing that immediately comes to mind is not to assume that people 
have much idea about what OpenStreetMap is - I'd definitely include some 
sort of brief, simple introduction (e.g. what's the difference between 
OSM and public domain government sources, and what's the difference 
between OSM and Google etc.).


I'd also try not to be too prescriptive about how people record stuff - 
cameras work for some people, paper and pencil for others, other methods 
for others again.  Try and pick an area where there's a variety of new 
stuff to map.


With regards to the "editing" part, check at the library first what kit 
is available with what web browser (if it's IE only you'll be using 
Potlatch 2 rather than iD as the default in-browser editor, and even 
then only if Flash is supported).  By all means mention JOSM, but I 
wouldn't suggest it to newbies unless they're familar with something 
like AutoCAD (which uses some similar control mechanisms) - and 
downloading and running Java software on the library computers may be 
restricted.


People will have different priorities - some may want to just do the 
"outdoor mapping" part, some the "social" bit and some the "editing" 
afterwards, so try and make sure that the timetable is public upfront 
(with contact details available in case of problems) and try and make 
space for whatever people want to do.  Don't try and rush it - let 
people "discover things that they can map".


Finally - remember to have fun!

Cheers,

Andy




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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[Simon Poole]

The real core question is: will you have newbies or not?

Old hands will have their favourite method of mapping anyway and are
unlikely to change (obviously for nearly every thing except large scale
geometry changes vespucci is the only reasonable solution :-)). For them
you simply need a reasonable way of splitting up the area in question,
essentially any print out of OSM will do OK, field papers working
particularly well.

If you have newbies you need to think about if you want to pair them up
with old hands or have them go out and learn the ropes on their own
(I've tried both and there are likely an even number of pros and cons
for both).

Simon



Am 09.03.2015 um 17:09 schrieb Harald Kliems:
> With help from the wonderful folks at Maptime Madison, we're planning on
> hosting the first Madison (Wisc.) mapping party on the Spring Mapathon
> weekend. Nobody involved has ever organized or even attended a mapping
> party, so we wouldn't mind some advice. From reading on the wiki and
> various user diaries, I've come up with the following rough plan:
> 
> - Meet at coffee shop, distribute Field Papers maps of the area to be
> surveyed, GPSrs , cameras, calibrate camera clocks. Mention non-obvious
> things that can be mapped, e.g. diet, payment method, collection times,
> opening hours, backrests on benches.
> - Depending on the number of participants, start surveying all together
> or in groups of three to four people. Plan on about one hour of surveying. 
> - Group works it way toward the final meeting point at the local public
> library. Have a least two hours to process data and get it into OSM.
> Laptops are available at the library.
> 
> Does this sound reasonable? Anything else I should be thinking of? 
> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[Clifford Snow]

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Harald Kliems  wrote:

> With help from the wonderful folks at Maptime Madison, we're planning on
> hosting the first Madison (Wisc.) mapping party on the Spring Mapathon
> weekend. Nobody involved has ever organized or even attended a mapping
> party, so we wouldn't mind some advice. From reading on the wiki and
> various user diaries, I've come up with the following rough plan:
>
> - Meet at coffee shop, distribute Field Papers maps of the area to be
> surveyed, GPSrs , cameras, calibrate camera clocks. Mention non-obvious
> things that can be mapped, e.g. diet, payment method, collection times,
> opening hours, backrests on benches.
> - Depending on the number of participants, start surveying all together or
> in groups of three to four people. Plan on about one hour of surveying.
> - Group works it way toward the final meeting point at the local public
> library. Have a least two hours to process data and get it into OSM.
> Laptops are available at the library.
>
> Does this sound reasonable? Anything else I should be thinking of?
>



Madison is a great place to map. I haven't been back in a while, but it is
a really nice town. Have fun!

If you have a chance, add buildings prior to the mapping party. It will
make it easier for people to map from field papers.

I like meeting a coffee shops with plenty of seating, which leaves
Starbucks out, and using the library as a destination for updating OSM. If
you have someone with limited mobility they can stay at the coffee
shop/library and update OSM via cell phone with the survey crew.

I usually ask people if they have smart phones, especially iOS devices.
GoMap!! for iPhone/iPad is a great app for field surveys. (I don't really
like Vespucci but others might.) OSM Tracker for Android is a nice app for
tagging benches, information signs, waste baskets, etc. Plus OSM Tracker
can take photos and record audio. Also suggest going into business
establishments to ask for business cards. Use the business card to add
website, address, and hours to POIs.  Plus it is a great way to bring up
OSM to shop owners. I've only had one person "get upset" with me for
wasting her time. Everyone else is usually very interested in hearing that
we want to add their business to the map.

Some of the other no so typical information as you suggested is number of
parking spaces, internet availability, bike parking, and postal boxes (blue
boxes.) Please ask the participants to collect addresses, including unit
numbers as appropriate.

If possible I like to have teams of two or three, with at least one person
familiar with OSM.

+1 on Peter and Steve's suggestion of taking photos.

With field papers, suggest that they just mark the location with a number
and then keep a separate list with the tagging data. Field papers can get
very confusing when adding a bunch of businesses.

Good luck,
Clifford

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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[Tod Fitch]

I find using an app like OsmPad useful when collecting address data. About as 
fast, maybe faster than, writing numbers on paper when collecting data. And 
much faster when editing in JOSM.

Tod

On Mar 9, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Peter Dobratz wrote:

> I've given up the dedicated GPS and/or pen and paper for data collection and 
> I do everything using the camera and notes application on my smartphone.
> 
> All the pictures I take are geotagged.  I transfer the photos to a computer 
> via the USB port and then load them into JOSM with a marker showing where 
> they were taken.
> 
> There are also smartphone applications to create GPX files, but this seems 
> superfluous for most things I map since recent high-resolution aerial photos 
> are available from Bing.
> 
> Peter
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[Harald Kliems]

Thanks for the advice, Steven!

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:13 PM Steven Johnson  wrote:
>
> It's great to see more events like this popping up all over. Is it due to
> the spring thaw? Or greater community interest?
>
Let's say that they're probably both necessary ingredients to make this
happen :)


> * I'm a vocal proponent of using local libraries from start to finish for
> these events as they provide a central point from which to operate. It
> makes the field work much easier if you don't have to lug all your stuff.
> Most libraries now allow patrons to bring their own coffee and snacks.
>
I was thinking coffee shop because the area around the library is already
pretty well mapped. Your point about lugging things around, though, is well
taken


> * Consider using Mapillary during your survey. Here's a case study[2] of
> how we're using Mapillary to conduct street surveys here in WashDC. See
> also how Elliot Plack did it in Baltimore[3].
>
Yes, definitely had that on my plan. I was also thinking of capturing some
mapillary imagery before the meeting in order for it be up and usable by
the time of the event.

 Harald.
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[Paul Johnson]

Mapillary is your friend.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Peter Dobratz  wrote:

> I've given up the dedicated GPS and/or pen and paper for data collection
> and I do everything using the camera and notes application on my smartphone.
>
> All the pictures I take are geotagged.  I transfer the photos to a
> computer via the USB port and then load them into JOSM with a marker
> showing where they were taken.
>
> There are also smartphone applications to create GPX files, but this seems
> superfluous for most things I map since recent high-resolution aerial
> photos are available from Bing.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Harald Kliems  wrote:
>
>> With help from the wonderful folks at Maptime Madison, we're planning on
>> hosting the first Madison (Wisc.) mapping party on the Spring Mapathon
>> weekend. Nobody involved has ever organized or even attended a mapping
>> party, so we wouldn't mind some advice. From reading on the wiki and
>> various user diaries, I've come up with the following rough plan:
>>
>> - Meet at coffee shop, distribute Field Papers maps of the area to be
>> surveyed, GPSrs , cameras, calibrate camera clocks. Mention non-obvious
>> things that can be mapped, e.g. diet, payment method, collection times,
>> opening hours, backrests on benches.
>> - Depending on the number of participants, start surveying all together
>> or in groups of three to four people. Plan on about one hour of surveying.
>> - Group works it way toward the final meeting point at the local public
>> library. Have a least two hours to process data and get it into OSM.
>> Laptops are available at the library.
>>
>> Does this sound reasonable? Anything else I should be thinking of?
>>
>>  Harald.
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Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[Peter Dobratz]

I've given up the dedicated GPS and/or pen and paper for data collection
and I do everything using the camera and notes application on my smartphone.

All the pictures I take are geotagged.  I transfer the photos to a computer
via the USB port and then load them into JOSM with a marker showing where
they were taken.

There are also smartphone applications to create GPX files, but this seems
superfluous for most things I map since recent high-resolution aerial
photos are available from Bing.

Peter


On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Harald Kliems  wrote:

> With help from the wonderful folks at Maptime Madison, we're planning on
> hosting the first Madison (Wisc.) mapping party on the Spring Mapathon
> weekend. Nobody involved has ever organized or even attended a mapping
> party, so we wouldn't mind some advice. From reading on the wiki and
> various user diaries, I've come up with the following rough plan:
>
> - Meet at coffee shop, distribute Field Papers maps of the area to be
> surveyed, GPSrs , cameras, calibrate camera clocks. Mention non-obvious
> things that can be mapped, e.g. diet, payment method, collection times,
> opening hours, backrests on benches.
> - Depending on the number of participants, start surveying all together or
> in groups of three to four people. Plan on about one hour of surveying.
> - Group works it way toward the final meeting point at the local public
> library. Have a least two hours to process data and get it into OSM.
> Laptops are available at the library.
>
> Does this sound reasonable? Anything else I should be thinking of?
>
>  Harald.
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[Steven Johnson]

Hi Harald,
It's great to see more events like this popping up all over. Is it due to
the spring thaw? Or greater community interest?

Generally, your plan sounds good. A few points that may help:
* I'm a vocal proponent of using local libraries from start to finish for
these events as they provide a central point from which to operate. It
makes the field work much easier if you don't have to lug all your stuff.
Most libraries now allow patrons to bring their own coffee and snacks.

* The ratio of surveying-to-editing sounds about right (1 hr of surveying =
roughly 2 hrs of editing in OSM).

* Consider using Mapillary during your survey. Here's a case study[2] of
how we're using Mapillary to conduct street surveys here in WashDC. See
also how Elliot Plack did it in Baltimore[3].

* Other tools: clipboards & pens (for recording data on Field Papers), a
power strip (older libraries sometimes lack enough electrical outlets)

Hope the weather cooperates. Have fun,
SEJ


[1] http://mapillary.com
[2] http://teachosm.org/en/cases/DCGreatStreets_survey_casestudy/
[3] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ElliottPlack/diary/26065


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On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Harald Kliems  wrote:

> With help from the wonderful folks at Maptime Madison, we're planning on
> hosting the first Madison (Wisc.) mapping party on the Spring Mapathon
> weekend. Nobody involved has ever organized or even attended a mapping
> party, so we wouldn't mind some advice. From reading on the wiki and
> various user diaries, I've come up with the following rough plan:
>
> - Meet at coffee shop, distribute Field Papers maps of the area to be
> surveyed, GPSrs , cameras, calibrate camera clocks. Mention non-obvious
> things that can be mapped, e.g. diet, payment method, collection times,
> opening hours, backrests on benches.
> - Depending on the number of participants, start surveying all together or
> in groups of three to four people. Plan on about one hour of surveying.
> - Group works it way toward the final meeting point at the local public
> library. Have a least two hours to process data and get it into OSM.
> Laptops are available at the library.
>
> Does this sound reasonable? Anything else I should be thinking of?
>
>  Harald.
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[Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

[Harald Kliems]

With help from the wonderful folks at Maptime Madison, we're planning on
hosting the first Madison (Wisc.) mapping party on the Spring Mapathon
weekend. Nobody involved has ever organized or even attended a mapping
party, so we wouldn't mind some advice. From reading on the wiki and
various user diaries, I've come up with the following rough plan:

- Meet at coffee shop, distribute Field Papers maps of the area to be
surveyed, GPSrs , cameras, calibrate camera clocks. Mention non-obvious
things that can be mapped, e.g. diet, payment method, collection times,
opening hours, backrests on benches.
- Depending on the number of participants, start surveying all together or
in groups of three to four people. Plan on about one hour of surveying.
- Group works it way toward the final meeting point at the local public
library. Have a least two hours to process data and get it into OSM.
Laptops are available at the library.

Does this sound reasonable? Anything else I should be thinking of?

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