Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle facility tags (Class III "bike route")
An update on our discussion about cycle tagging: the OSM cycle map stylesheet has been updated, and it looks beautiful. See: http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2008/08/17/hill-colouring-on-the-cycle-map/ Now you can tell the difference between streets that are part of a cycle route tagged with lcn=yes (rendered with highlighting), those that have designated cycle lanes tagged with cycleway=lane (rendered with blue outlines), and those that have both. When you're zoomed out, however, only the cycle routes are shown, not any streets that have cycle lanes but aren't tagged with lcn. Alan On Aug 12, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Alan McConchie wrote: For these "class III" bike routes, I have just been tagging them with lcn=yes and lcn_ref=## if the route has a name or number. Even if they're not part of any cycle network, they're at least officially condoned by the local authorities (if they've got green bike signs) so I figure that is sufficient for the lcn tag. The lcn tag alone will also get rendered on the OSM cycle map. And regarding getting cycle map tiles rendered, just ask the maintainer Andy Allan (CC'ed in this email) and he will start rendering any area you are tagging. Check out Washington D.C. or the major Canadian cities (Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver) for good North American examples that are already getting rendered. Alan On Aug 12, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Alan Brown wrote: I've been working on something similar for San Jose ... I've been working on the seperate cycle tracks, but I'll eventually get to the roads. Are there any server set up there rendering North American (or, at least, Bay Area) tiles similar to the OSM cycle map? http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/osm/ I'd also be curious - does mapnik have the ability to render partially transparent PNGS, to use as an overlay? - Original Message From: will law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:08:27 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle facility tags (Class III "bike route") On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Class I is the separated bike path, with a physical separation between the bicycle path and vehicle traffic, or on a route which other vehicle traffic doesn't follwo. This one is easy, you trace in the path, and make it highway=cycleway; cycleway=track. It's just the same as drawing in separate roads for divided roads. Class II is the bike lane with its own lane markings, but it is immediately adjacent the vehicle lanes. This also seems to be pretty clear: just add a cycleway=lane tag to the road it is part of, right? Class III is a "shared use" facility with the cars, it just has the green "bicycle route" signs occasionally. Hopefully it has a wide outside lane, but not always. How do you put this one in? do you add a bicycle=designated tag to the road, or what? I have been classifying Class I & II cycleways in San Francisco using the above method. I haven't got on to the Class III type but bicycle=designated seems appropriate to me. I think your suggestions line up with how I would tag it, too. I'm curious where you heard about the Class I, II, III designations, though. I'm a California native and occasional bike rider and I've never heard of these. Karl Here's the detail on their classification in California. I'm not sure if the same is used elsewhere in the US though: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=shc&group=1-01000&file=890-894.2 Will ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle facility tags (Class III "bike route")
Karl Newman wrote: > > I think your suggestions line up with how I would tag it, too. I'm curious > where you heard about the Class I, II, III designations, though. I'm a > California native and occasional bike rider and I've never heard of these. I've never heard of them either here in wisconsin (I'm a regular bike rider, formerly in Milwaukee and now in central WI) It seems that the designations are not specific to california; a Google search for "Class II" or "Class III" and "bike" suggests that the terminology is in use throughout the US. -Alex Mauer "hawke" ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle facility tags (Class III "bike route")
For these "class III" bike routes, I have just been tagging them with lcn=yes and lcn_ref=## if the route has a name or number. Even if they're not part of any cycle network, they're at least officially condoned by the local authorities (if they've got green bike signs) so I figure that is sufficient for the lcn tag. The lcn tag alone will also get rendered on the OSM cycle map. And regarding getting cycle map tiles rendered, just ask the maintainer Andy Allan (CC'ed in this email) and he will start rendering any area you are tagging. Check out Washington D.C. or the major Canadian cities (Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver) for good North American examples that are already getting rendered. Alan On Aug 12, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Alan Brown wrote: I've been working on something similar for San Jose ... I've been working on the seperate cycle tracks, but I'll eventually get to the roads. Are there any server set up there rendering North American (or, at least, Bay Area) tiles similar to the OSM cycle map? http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/osm/ I'd also be curious - does mapnik have the ability to render partially transparent PNGS, to use as an overlay? - Original Message From: will law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:08:27 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle facility tags (Class III "bike route") On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Class I is the separated bike path, with a physical separation between the bicycle path and vehicle traffic, or on a route which other vehicle traffic doesn't follwo. This one is easy, you trace in the path, and make it highway=cycleway; cycleway=track. It's just the same as drawing in separate roads for divided roads. Class II is the bike lane with its own lane markings, but it is immediately adjacent the vehicle lanes. This also seems to be pretty clear: just add a cycleway=lane tag to the road it is part of, right? Class III is a "shared use" facility with the cars, it just has the green "bicycle route" signs occasionally. Hopefully it has a wide outside lane, but not always. How do you put this one in? do you add a bicycle=designated tag to the road, or what? I have been classifying Class I & II cycleways in San Francisco using the above method. I haven't got on to the Class III type but bicycle=designated seems appropriate to me. I think your suggestions line up with how I would tag it, too. I'm curious where you heard about the Class I, II, III designations, though. I'm a California native and occasional bike rider and I've never heard of these. Karl Here's the detail on their classification in California. I'm not sure if the same is used elsewhere in the US though: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=shc&group=1-01000&file=890-894.2 Will ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle facility tags (Class III "bike route")
I've been working on something similar for San Jose ... I've been working on the seperate cycle tracks, but I'll eventually get to the roads. Are there any server set up there rendering North American (or, at least, Bay Area) tiles similar to the OSM cycle map? http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/osm/ I'd also be curious - does mapnik have the ability to render partially transparent PNGS, to use as an overlay? - Original Message From: will law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:08:27 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle facility tags (Class III "bike route") On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Class I is the separated bike path, with a physical separation between the bicycle path and vehicle traffic, or on a route which other vehicle traffic doesn't follwo. This one is easy, you trace in the path, and make it highway=cycleway; cycleway=track. It's just the same as drawing in separate roads for divided roads. Class II is the bike lane with its own lane markings, but it is immediately adjacent the vehicle lanes. This also seems to be pretty clear: just add a cycleway=lane tag to the road it is part of, right? Class III is a "shared use" facility with the cars, it just has the green "bicycle route" signs occasionally. Hopefully it has a wide outside lane, but not always. How do you put this one in? do you add a bicycle=designated tag to the road, or what? I have been classifying Class I & II cycleways in San Francisco using the above method. I haven't got on to the Class III type but bicycle=designated seems appropriate to me. I think your suggestions line up with how I would tag it, too. I'm curious where you heard about the Class I, II, III designations, though. I'm a California native and occasional bike rider and I've never heard of these. Karl Here's the detail on their classification in California. I'm not sure if the same is used elsewhere in the US though: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=shc&group=1-01000&file=890-894.2 Will___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle facility tags (Class III "bike route")
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Karl Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Class I is the separated bike path, with a physical separation between the >> bicycle path and vehicle traffic, or on a route which other vehicle traffic >> doesn't follwo. This one is easy, you trace in the path, and make it >> highway=cycleway; cycleway=track. It's just the same as drawing in separate >> roads for divided roads. >> >> Class II is the bike lane with its own lane markings, but it is >> immediately adjacent the vehicle lanes. This also seems to be pretty clear: >> just add a cycleway=lane tag to the road it is part of, right? >> >> Class III is a "shared use" facility with the cars, it just has the green >> "bicycle route" signs occasionally. Hopefully it has a wide outside lane, >> but not always. How do you put this one in? do you add a >> bicycle=designated tag to the road, or what? >> > I have been classifying Class I & II cycleways in San Francisco using the above method. I haven't got on to the Class III type but bicycle=designated seems appropriate to me. I think your suggestions line up with how I would tag it, too. I'm curious > where you heard about the Class I, II, III designations, though. I'm a > California native and occasional bike rider and I've never heard of these. > > Karl > Here's the detail on their classification in California. I'm not sure if the same is used elsewhere in the US though: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=shc&group=1-01000&file=890-894.2 Will ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle facility tags (Class III "bike route")
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > How do we mark and tag Class II and Class III bike facilities? (I'm not > sure if Class I, II, and III is a California specific designation, or if > this is the standard terminology throughout the US) > > Class I is the separated bike path, with a physical separation between the > bicycle path and vehicle traffic, or on a route which other vehicle traffic > doesn't follwo. This one is easy, you trace in the path, and make it > highway=cycleway; cycleway=track. It's just the same as drawing in separate > roads for divided roads. > > Class II is the bike lane with its own lane markings, but it is immediately > adjacent the vehicle lanes. This also seems to be pretty clear: just add a > cycleway=lane tag to the road it is part of, right? > > Class III is a "shared use" facility with the cars, it just has the green > "bicycle route" signs occasionally. Hopefully it has a wide outside lane, > but not always. How do you put this one in? do you add a > bicycle=designated tag to the road, or what? > > Thanks for the input, > > -Mike > Mike, I think your suggestions line up with how I would tag it, too. I'm curious where you heard about the Class I, II, III designations, though. I'm a California native and occasional bike rider and I've never heard of these. And I'm not sure I've ever seen a Class I cycleway--any separated paths always seem to be shared with pedestrian & other non-vehicle traffic (I would tag the ones I've seen as highway=path, bicycle=designated, foot=designated, etc.). Actually, now that I think about it, the west side of the Golden Gate Bridge might qualify as a "pure" cycleway (it's supposed to be for bicycles only). Karl ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Bicycle facility tags (Class III "bike route")
How do we mark and tag Class II and Class III bike facilities? (I'm not sure if Class I, II, and III is a California specific designation, or if this is the standard terminology throughout the US) Class I is the separated bike path, with a physical separation between the bicycle path and vehicle traffic, or on a route which other vehicle traffic doesn't follwo. This one is easy, you trace in the path, and make it highway=cycleway; cycleway=track. It's just the same as drawing in separate roads for divided roads. Class II is the bike lane with its own lane markings, but it is immediately adjacent the vehicle lanes. This also seems to be pretty clear: just add a cycleway=lane tag to the road it is part of, right? Class III is a "shared use" facility with the cars, it just has the green "bicycle route" signs occasionally. Hopefully it has a wide outside lane, but not always. How do you put this one in? do you add a bicycle=designated tag to the road, or what? Thanks for the input, -Mike Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iiedABzYdrsMmdJUmnvuSIYO6oaypRW5UYQKz8LID8XmRLiAK/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
