Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Serge Wroclawski]

I agree with Alex and Paul here. It would be ideal to say "Oh we can
replicate the functionality of a user calendar"- that's absolutely
true. The discovery functionality is what's not replicatable.

I've had one user here in NYC who does not wish to participate on the
meetup because he doesn't want to sign up, but wanted to be kept
informed about events and discussion.

At this time, there's an ical feed for events, and an RSS/Atom feed
for the mailing list. This doesn't allow for full participation, but
it allows anyone who doesn't want to sign up to Meetup to be kept
informed of the events.

Additionally, a third party could collect all the ical feeds and
construct a calendar.

This is not ideal, but neither is Facebook, or Google, or any other
third party service, and it's a lot better than the alternatives.

- Serge

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Clifford Snow 
> wrote:
>>
>> However the cost is expensive for individuals to start a Meetup group.
>
>
> I recommend either crowd funding a meetup group or getting a local company
> to sponsor. Like Ian said, at OSM US we've spent quite some cycles on how we
> could support local communities US-wide with paying meetup.com fees but no
> matter how you turn it you're looking at a non-neglectible administrative
> overhead to manage this plus the very real possibility of paying for meetup
> groups that have gone inactive. Funding locally is the most organic and
> effective approach.
>
> Funding locally is also a great opportunity to create an active trust of
> meetup hosts or involve a local company in OSM :-)
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Richard Weait]

On Jan 22, 2014 11:10 AM, Clifford Snow  wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Richard Weait  wrote:
>>
>>   The publicity aspect of Meetup really gets people to your events.  Though i wonder if these people are the long term contributors to OSM that we want.
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Clifford Snow]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Kathleen Danielson <
kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not to toot my own horn, but I gave a talk on this very subject at SOTM US
> 2013, which you can watch here:
> http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68098498
>
> Among my key points is my intense loyalty to Meetup (I understand the
> reservations, but it *just works*). I also have some recommendations around
> how to structure such a group, and how to keep yourself from burning out.
>
> I'll have more to say soon, but here's the main thing I want to say: No
> matter what anyone tells you, or what you tell yourself, this isn't an easy
> task, so don't get down on yourself if your local community seems to be
> struggling. Community is hard. You're doing great.
>

Kathleen,
How about holding a Hangout for Mapping Party Organizers to discuss and
share ways to improve our mapping parties? We might also discuss ways to
get funding to start new groups.

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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Kathleen Danielson]

Surprising probably no one, I have a lot of thoughts on this topic, so I've
been watching this conversation with interest.

Not to toot my own horn, but I gave a talk on this very subject at SOTM US
2013, which you can watch here:
http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68098498

Among my key points is my intense loyalty to Meetup (I understand the
reservations, but it *just works*). I also have some recommendations around
how to structure such a group, and how to keep yourself from burning out.

I'll have more to say soon, but here's the main thing I want to say: No
matter what anyone tells you, or what you tell yourself, this isn't an easy
task, so don't get down on yourself if your local community seems to be
struggling. Community is hard. You're doing great.

More Soon,
KD


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> I dislike relying on volatile third party services as much as the next
> person, but:
> * As stated before, it does get you unparalleled exposure outside of
> the regular channels, targeted at people actively looking to explore
> new interests / meet new people. Sure, many of these folks may just be
> grazing and will not turn into long term contributors, but some of
> them may, and we need both dedicated and casual contributors.
> * Setting up our own thing requires resources (time and commitment)
> that is hard to come by in a volunteer run organization with lots of
> other things on their minds.
> * Meetup is pretty well established, and if it were to go away, it
> would be pretty straightforward to take our business elsewhere.
>
> I second Richard's and Clifford's observation that in terms of growing
> a local community, there is really no perfect script, and the most
> important ingredient is not any single tool or design or words, it's
> perseverance. After two years I still have meet ups here in SLC with 2
> or three people attending, but sometimes it's more, and I get new
> folks from time to time, and that keeps me motivated. I make sure that
> our meetup group always shows a next event with a time and place (I
> have two monthly recurring events: Geobeers and Saturday Mapternoon.)
> I believe that helps.
>
> If there is one single piece of technology I would like to invest some
> time in, it would be an automaton to grab the new user feed from
> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosm.php for a given area and send
> them an OSM message tailored to the area (announcing next meetup or
> something). Anyone done anything like that already we can reuse?
>
> Martijn
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Clifford Snow 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Richard Weait 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>   The publicity aspect of Meetup really gets people to your events.
> >> Though i wonder if these people are the long term contributors to OSM
> that
> >> we want.
> >
> >
> > It is in part a numbers game. Only a small percentage will become regular
> > mappers and of that only a small percentage will become uber mappers.
> > Certainly the planning for and running the event can positively impact
> those
> > numbers. Something cause people to sign up for an event. Hopefully the
> > people they meet and the satisfaction of mapping will appeal to them.
> >
> > BTW - I don't have the "right" script yet either. I just keep blindly
> > trying! The bad thing is that even if you do have the perfect meeting,
> you
> > don't know until much later if it worked.
> >
> > But Meetup also creates an awareness to OSM. People just looking for a
> > group, will see our Meetups. They may not join, but they see
> OpenStreetMap.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Martijn van Exel]

I dislike relying on volatile third party services as much as the next
person, but:
* As stated before, it does get you unparalleled exposure outside of
the regular channels, targeted at people actively looking to explore
new interests / meet new people. Sure, many of these folks may just be
grazing and will not turn into long term contributors, but some of
them may, and we need both dedicated and casual contributors.
* Setting up our own thing requires resources (time and commitment)
that is hard to come by in a volunteer run organization with lots of
other things on their minds.
* Meetup is pretty well established, and if it were to go away, it
would be pretty straightforward to take our business elsewhere.

I second Richard's and Clifford's observation that in terms of growing
a local community, there is really no perfect script, and the most
important ingredient is not any single tool or design or words, it's
perseverance. After two years I still have meet ups here in SLC with 2
or three people attending, but sometimes it's more, and I get new
folks from time to time, and that keeps me motivated. I make sure that
our meetup group always shows a next event with a time and place (I
have two monthly recurring events: Geobeers and Saturday Mapternoon.)
I believe that helps.

If there is one single piece of technology I would like to invest some
time in, it would be an automaton to grab the new user feed from
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosm.php for a given area and send
them an OSM message tailored to the area (announcing next meetup or
something). Anyone done anything like that already we can reuse?

Martijn

On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Clifford Snow  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Richard Weait  wrote:
>>
>>   The publicity aspect of Meetup really gets people to your events.
>> Though i wonder if these people are the long term contributors to OSM that
>> we want.
>
>
> It is in part a numbers game. Only a small percentage will become regular
> mappers and of that only a small percentage will become uber mappers.
> Certainly the planning for and running the event can positively impact those
> numbers. Something cause people to sign up for an event. Hopefully the
> people they meet and the satisfaction of mapping will appeal to them.
>
> BTW - I don't have the "right" script yet either. I just keep blindly
> trying! The bad thing is that even if you do have the perfect meeting, you
> don't know until much later if it worked.
>
> But Meetup also creates an awareness to OSM. People just looking for a
> group, will see our Meetups. They may not join, but they see OpenStreetMap.
>
>
>
> --
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> @osm_seattle
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Clifford Snow]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Richard Weait  wrote:

>   The publicity aspect of Meetup really gets people to your events.
> Though i wonder if these people are the long term contributors to OSM that
> we want.
>

It is in part a numbers game. Only a small percentage will become regular
mappers and of that only a small percentage will become uber mappers.
Certainly the planning for and running the event can positively impact
those numbers. Something cause people to sign up for an event. Hopefully
the people they meet and the satisfaction of mapping will appeal to them.

BTW - I don't have the "right" script yet either. I just keep blindly
trying! The bad thing is that even if you do have the perfect meeting, you
don't know until much later if it worked.

But Meetup also creates an awareness to OSM. People just looking for a
group, will see our Meetups. They may not join, but they see OpenStreetMap.


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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Richard Weait]

On Jan 22, 2014 12:09 AM, Brian DeRocher  wrote:

...

  The publicity aspect of Meetup really gets people to your events.  Though i 
wonder if these people are the long term contributors to OSM that we want.

You control that in part with the way that you write your event announcement.  
If we can write an announcement that inspires potential long term, foot 
surveying, conscientious  appears, then that is who will show up.  If we write 
an event announcement that says, "you are expected to map remotely in a 
sweatshop environment for endless hours" then that appeals to an entirely 
different audience. :-)

Sadly,I haven't I discovered a perfect script for an event announcement to get 
only our target audience, and those in huge numbers.
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Brian DeRocher]

Here's an idea.  How about we get back to using Upcoming.org?  Oh yeah, it was 
bought by Yahoo and shutdown.  It's for this reason OSM runs their own web 
servers, wikis, mail servers.  I'm generally in support of running our own 
calendar server.

But as Paul said, being a calendar is only half of what's needed.  The other 
half is publicity and that's hard to find without existing social networks.

I've long been against using Meetup, but compromised, i mean, experimented with 
it.   And i must admit it worked quite well for the US Winter Editathon.  The 
publicity aspect of Meetup really gets people to your events.  Though i wonder 
if these people are the long term contributors to OSM that we want.

I'll continue to use Meetup under some new conditions:

(1) The event posted on Meetup must say that RSVPing on Meetup is not required.
(2) If an RSVP is required, say due to room size constraints, to RSVP 
elsewhere, say by email.
(3) The event is posted in several channels: mailing list, facebook, twitter, 
and flyers [1]

All that being said, i'm looking into setting up CivCRM to support MappingDC.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CiviCRM

[1] Yeah i posted flyers at work.

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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Clifford Snow]

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:

> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us


The reply I received back from Laura Blackett, Meetup.com, is show below.
They do not offer any corporate sponsored group rates nor can third parties
pay for accounts. If OSM-US had a support staff, I'd suggest we raise funds
to help start local meetups. Without staff, a volunteer would have to step
forward to take on the task.

Paul Norman and I are going to attempt another approach. We are going to
try to start a local meetup in Vancouver BC using one of the three groups
available in my account. I'd expect that once the local community was
established they would fund their own group.

I'd like to challenge other Meetup Organizers to help start new groups in
underserved locations. Let's watch how these new groups progress. If you
are a Meetup Organizer and you have room to run more Groups, please let the
community know to help sponsor new groups.


Meetup Reply:

You said: "A number of corporations that have expressed interest in
supporting and growing local communities. We have would like to have an
easy method for these corporations to pay for the Meetup account. Ideally,
corporations would enjoy a reduced rate to establishing these groups."

I'm afraid we don't have group rates available. It's also not possible for
third parties to pay dues through the site -- Organizer Dues are attached
to a group's primary Organizer account. That said, you're welcome to work
out reimbursement with corporations independently.

Just so you know, Organizer Dues enable an account to run up to 3 Meetup
Groups. If you're interested in running additional groups on your account,
you have room for more!

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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Alex Barth]

Simon's comment makes me realize that the central argument for
meetup.comhasn't been mentioned.
meetup.com covers the bases for core organizing (events + mailing lists)
but most importantly, it provides incredible visibility. Esp. in the US,
people actively browse meetup for stuff they're interested in. Being on
meetup.com means having better chances to attract like minded folks than
organizing through most other channels.


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> Just a couple of observations from the other side of the Atlantic:
> - please make it easy to contact your group without having to go through a
> sign up procedure with yet another service. Not everybody is interested in
> joining permamently and making a meetup account mandatory just means you
> wont get casual visitors that might be interesting.
> - while by far not the oldest OSM local group the Zurich group just had
> its 49th meeting on Monday and up to now we're not outstripped the
> capabilities of the wiki, mailing list and now and then a doodle for
> special events.
>
> Simon
>
> Ps: background: l was in San Diego for 2 weeks in September and naturally
> would have liked to meet up with a couple of local mappers and /or the
> Southern California group, but see above.
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Clifford Snow]

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Paul Johnson  wrote:

> What's wrong with using Google+'s events functionality?  Almost everyone
> with an Android and everyone with hosting through Google, is on YouTube or
> a gmail account has this.


Paul,
I've never even heard of Google+ events function. Have you ever used it to
organize an event? Can you tell us more.


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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Randy Meech]

A corporation might offer a grant for that to OSM US if it wanted to
manage that (especially if tax deductible), but it would be
challenging to offer it to a number of smaller groups.

-Randy

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Clifford Snow  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Kam, Kristen -(p) 
> wrote:
>>
>> Why can’t you use Meetup for existing groups and also use Facebook as a
>> mechanism organize members for new groups and associated events?
>>
>>
>
>
> Meetup, as others have said, reaches people you'd never find using other
> means. When I joined the Seattle group, we had around 50 members. It's now
> over 160. Much of the growth comes from people seeing something that speaks
> to them. I think we could attract more mappers by expanding Meetup Groups
> into more cities.  According to the wiki, we have groups in 20+ cities. How
> about a goal of having active groups in the 50 largest metropolitan areas in
> the country?
>
> I'm not sure how many people have discovered us through Facebook. Maybe
> someone else can speak to that. Certainly we need to explore more avenues to
> grow membership.
>
> I believe if a corporation were to offer grants to individuals and groups to
> start Meetups groups we could overcome some of the problems with just paying
> for Meetup groups.
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Paul Johnson]

Sure!  It's commonly used on the Furry Fandom community (particularly on
the plains) to coordinate furmeets and share convention experiences.  It
ties in nicely to Google Calendar as well, and ergo, Android.
https://plus.google.com/communities/113331563119234748188/events has
examples from that community.  You can create an event by going to the Home
dropdown, click Events, and it's pretty straightforward from there.


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:

>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Paul Johnson  wrote:
>
>> What's wrong with using Google+'s events functionality?  Almost everyone
>> with an Android and everyone with hosting through Google, is on YouTube or
>> a gmail account has this.
>
>
> Paul,
> I've never even heard of Google+ events function. Have you ever used it to
> organize an event? Can you tell us more.
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Clifford Snow]

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Kam, Kristen -(p) wrote:

> Why can’t you use Meetup for existing groups and also use Facebook as a
> mechanism organize members for new groups and associated events?
>
>
>

Meetup, as others have said, reaches people you'd never find using other
means. When I joined the Seattle group, we had around 50 members. It's now
over 160. Much of the growth comes from people seeing something that speaks
to them. I think we could attract more mappers by expanding Meetup Groups
 into more cities.  According to the wiki, we have groups in 20+ cities.
How about a goal of having active groups in the 50 largest metropolitan
areas in the country?

I'm not sure how many people have discovered us through Facebook. Maybe
someone else can speak to that. Certainly we need to explore more avenues
to grow membership.

I believe if a corporation were to offer grants to individuals and groups
to start Meetups groups we could overcome some of the problems with just
paying for Meetup groups.


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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Simon Poole]

Just a couple of observations from the other side of the Atlantic:
- please make it easy to contact your group without having to go through a sign 
up procedure with yet another service. Not everybody is interested in joining 
permamently and making a meetup account mandatory just means you wont get 
casual visitors that might be interesting.
- while by far not the oldest OSM local group the Zurich group just had its 
49th meeting on Monday and up to now we're not outstripped the capabilities of 
the wiki, mailing list and now and then a doodle for special events.

Simon

Ps: background: l was in San Diego for 2 weeks in September and naturally would 
have liked to meet up with a couple of local mappers and /or the Southern 
California group, but see above.

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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[David Fawcett]

Despite the cost overhead of Meetup, it is definitely worth investigating.
Our local Python group started using meetup last year and it gave us a huge
boost in exposure and has brought in quite a few new people who didn't know
that we existed.  To me, the exposure to the (literally) thousands of
people in your area who might find OSM interesting is very valuable when
you are trying to get a group started.  Maybe there is a local company who
would be willing to help with sponsoring the meetup costs.  Maybe the local
Chamber of Commerce would see the value in it?

David.


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:

>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
>> However the cost is expensive for individuals to start a Meetup group.
>
>
> I recommend either crowd funding a meetup group or getting a local company
> to sponsor. Like Ian said, at OSM US we've spent quite some cycles on how
> we could support local communities US-wide with paying meetup.com fees
> but no matter how you turn it you're looking at a non-neglectible
> administrative overhead to manage this plus the very real possibility of
> paying for meetup groups that have gone inactive. Funding locally is the
> most organic and effective approach.
>
> Funding locally is also a great opportunity to create an active trust of
> meetup hosts or involve a local company in OSM :-)
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Alex Barth]

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:

> However the cost is expensive for individuals to start a Meetup group.


I recommend either crowd funding a meetup group or getting a local company
to sponsor. Like Ian said, at OSM US we've spent quite some cycles on how
we could support local communities US-wide with paying meetup.com fees but
no matter how you turn it you're looking at a non-neglectible
administrative overhead to manage this plus the very real possibility of
paying for meetup groups that have gone inactive. Funding locally is the
most organic and effective approach.

Funding locally is also a great opportunity to create an active trust of
meetup hosts or involve a local company in OSM :-)
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Paul Norman]

It's important to remember that meetup.com is selling two services in one:
their calendaring and organization software, and listing on their site which
involves publicity with their substantial list of members for which they
have both locations and interests. The first one is easy to reproduce, the
second one is not, and is frankly more important for OSM groups getting
started in an area where they want to find people interested.

 

From: Kam, Kristen -(p) [mailto:krist...@telenav.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:17 PM
To: Paul Johnson; Clifford Snow
Cc: Martijn van Exel; OpenStreetMap talk-us list
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Why can't you use Meetup for existing groups and also use Facebook as a
mechanism organize members for new groups and associated events?

 

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[Kam, Kristen -(p)]

Why can't you use Meetup for existing groups and also use Facebook as a 
mechanism organize members for new groups and associated events?

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From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:03 PM
To: Clifford Snow
Cc: Martijn van Exel; OpenStreetMap talk-us list
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups


What's wrong with using Google+'s events functionality?  Almost everyone with 
an Android and everyone with hosting through Google, is on YouTube or a gmail 
account has this.
On Jan 14, 2014 5:26 PM, "Clifford Snow" 
mailto:cliff...@snowandsnow.us>> wrote:
Meetup is a nice tool to organize local groups. However the cost is expensive 
for individuals to start a Meetup group. I'm wondering if we can get some 
corporate sponsor to help offset the cost of establishing local communities. 
This is a not so subtle hint for all the corporations that make money off OSM!

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[Richard Welty]

On 1/15/14 6:03 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> What's wrong with using Google+'s events functionality?  Almost everyone
> with an Android and everyone with hosting through Google, is on YouTube or
> a gmail account has this.
>
>
there are a lot of people in OSM who are uncomfortable with having
their information assimilated by the google. there are more than a
few who don't participate in hangouts because of that. i'm not one
of them, but i do have some sympathy with their point of view.

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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Paul Johnson]

What's wrong with using Google+'s events functionality?  Almost everyone
with an Android and everyone with hosting through Google, is on YouTube or
a gmail account has this.
On Jan 14, 2014 5:26 PM, "Clifford Snow"  wrote:

> Meetup is a nice tool to organize local groups. However the cost is
> expensive for individuals to start a Meetup group. I'm wondering if we can
> get some corporate sponsor to help offset the cost of establishing local
> communities. This is a not so subtle hint for all the corporations that
> make money off OSM!
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Clifford Snow]

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Ian Dees  wrote:

> Sponsoring Meetup groups is rather difficult. Meetup doesn't have a way to
> sponsor a group's Meetup fees and doing it on a one-by-one basis is a lot
> of paperwork (how does one keep track of who gets payment and how do they
> make sure the payments are going to Meetup?)
>
> If someone were to relay to Meetup that they'd love to have a way to do
> this, that'd be super great...
>

I just asked. Awaiting a reply.


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[Ian Dees]

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:

> Meetup is a nice tool to organize local groups. However the cost is
> expensive for individuals to start a Meetup group. I'm wondering if we can
> get some corporate sponsor to help offset the cost of establishing local
> communities. This is a not so subtle hint for all the corporations that
> make money off OSM!
>

Sponsoring Meetup groups is rather difficult. Meetup doesn't have a way to
sponsor a group's Meetup fees and doing it on a one-by-one basis is a lot
of paperwork (how does one keep track of who gets payment and how do they
make sure the payments are going to Meetup?)

If someone were to relay to Meetup that they'd love to have a way to do
this, that'd be super great...
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[Clifford Snow]

Meetup is a nice tool to organize local groups. However the cost is
expensive for individuals to start a Meetup group. I'm wondering if we can
get some corporate sponsor to help offset the cost of establishing local
communities. This is a not so subtle hint for all the corporations that
make money off OSM!

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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Brett Lord-Castillo]

I added in the two St Louis area groups and cleaned up our entries.
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

[Richard Weait]

http://usergroups.openstreetmap.de/

add your group to the wiki with the structured elements , and a bot
will add your group to the map.

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[Talk-us] Local user groups

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

I cleaned up the list of local OSM groups on the 'WikiProject United
States' page, deleting empty rows. If you run a local group and don't
see it listed here
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States - please
add a row with your local group info!

There must be a better & nicer way to collect and maintain this information...?
There's also 
http://www.meetup.com/find/?keywords=openstreetmap&radius=Infinity&sort=default
but not everyone is on meetup probably. There was also a local user
group map that I can't find now.

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