Re: [Talk-us] NYC High Line is Wonky on OSM

2015-05-12 Thread Phil! Gold
* Elliott Plack  [2015-05-12 03:32 +]:
> I was attempting to do some pedestrian routing on the High Line
[snip]
> 2. There are two parallel ways on the northern part of the park, one for
> the former railway, another for the path. I believe that these should be
> merged or at least share points. The former railway IS the pedestrian path,
> so no need for parallel ways, right?

The path tends to meander a bit.  At some points it's directly over the
path of (one pair of) the rails, but at other points it does indeed run
parallel to or cross the old rail course.  I'm not sure what the situation
is, exactly, for the most northern part of the line; the most recent time
I was there, everything past 30th Street and 11th Avenue was closed, so I
didn't get a chance to walk the entire thing.

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Re: [Talk-us] NYC High Line is Wonky on OSM

2015-05-11 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Seems like it might be better to tag it as man_made=bridge rather than
building=*

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dbridge

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Elliott Plack 
wrote:

> Friends,
>
> I was attempting to do some pedestrian routing on the High Line (the
> elevated park in NYC, see Wikipedia for background) and noticed some
> oddities about how it was mapped on OSM. Quickly, this is a former elevated
> train viaduct that has been converted into a popular park in Manhattan.
> Since this is a popular area, I thought I'd ask the community first. Things
> I've noticed:
>
> 1. There is a 'building=yes' way for the entire elevated portion,
> including many of the supports that hold the platform up. This is pretty
> cool, and probably looks neat in 3D. There are some building overlaps,
> where the line goes through some buildings.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/37054313
> 1a. The building also has the park tagging, which doesn't show up on the
> map when tagged to the same way (apparently).
> 2. There are two parallel ways on the northern part of the park, one for
> the former railway, another for the path. I believe that these should be
> merged or at least share points. The former railway IS the pedestrian path,
> so no need for parallel ways, right?
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/46481094
> 2a. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/305761607
> 3. Stairs like this should connect to the street.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/305761606
> 4. The 'highway=pedestrian' portion is not tagged as a bridge, which it
> is, arguably. But then, if the viaduct is a 'building', is it actually a
> bridge? I think it should be tagged as a bridge for cartography purposes.
> 4a. The 'highway=pedestrian' way does not have a name. The building does,
> but that doesn't render well. Named ways should be named, right?
> 5. There are several 'highway=pedestrian' areas like this one. Is there a
> better tag for open space like this?
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/277945794
> 6. Things get really crazy with the building passages.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/277885773
> 7. There are a few oddities about the paths extending out from this node,
> all these crossing ways are hard to comprehend.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2823299563
>
> Local mappers have clearly spent a lot of time on this, anyone have any
> feedback about how this could be mapped better, if at all?
>
>
> Best,
>
> Elliott
>
>
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[Talk-us] NYC High Line is Wonky on OSM

2015-05-11 Thread Elliott Plack
Friends,

I was attempting to do some pedestrian routing on the High Line (the
elevated park in NYC, see Wikipedia for background) and noticed some
oddities about how it was mapped on OSM. Quickly, this is a former elevated
train viaduct that has been converted into a popular park in Manhattan.
Since this is a popular area, I thought I'd ask the community first. Things
I've noticed:

1. There is a 'building=yes' way for the entire elevated portion, including
many of the supports that hold the platform up. This is pretty cool, and
probably looks neat in 3D. There are some building overlaps, where the line
goes through some buildings. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/37054313
1a. The building also has the park tagging, which doesn't show up on the
map when tagged to the same way (apparently).
2. There are two parallel ways on the northern part of the park, one for
the former railway, another for the path. I believe that these should be
merged or at least share points. The former railway IS the pedestrian path,
so no need for parallel ways, right?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/46481094
2a. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/305761607
3. Stairs like this should connect to the street.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/305761606
4. The 'highway=pedestrian' portion is not tagged as a bridge, which it is,
arguably. But then, if the viaduct is a 'building', is it actually a
bridge? I think it should be tagged as a bridge for cartography purposes.
4a. The 'highway=pedestrian' way does not have a name. The building does,
but that doesn't render well. Named ways should be named, right?
5. There are several 'highway=pedestrian' areas like this one. Is there a
better tag for open space like this?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/277945794
6. Things get really crazy with the building passages.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/277885773
7. There are a few oddities about the paths extending out from this node,
all these crossing ways are hard to comprehend.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2823299563

Local mappers have clearly spent a lot of time on this, anyone have any
feedback about how this could be mapped better, if at all?


Best,

Elliott
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