Re: [Talk-us] ODBL for Spatial Analysis
Thanks, Alex. I hadn't known about sections 4.5b and 4.5c before; that's really helpful to have a sense of the distinction between "derivative database" and "produced work". And indeed, I've worked through my city's building import (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/BTV-Prints), and look forward to continuing contributions to OSM! -B -- William Morris | Senior Visualization Engineer Faraday Inc | faraday.io | (802)-458-0441 x336 | SF/VT/FR/WI On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Alex Barth wrote: > > On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Richard Weait wrote: >> >> On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM, William Morris >> wrote: >> > Please let me know if I should direct this at a different list, but I >> > have a basic question about the implications of the ODBL: >> > >> > OSM is brimming with great POIs and network features; I'd like to use >> > some of these categories to answer broad questions like "How far is >> > this customer from the nearest park/school/whatever"? Unfortunately, >> > I'm not precisely sure of my legal obligation once I've answered that >> > question. Specifically, would I be required to contribute the location >> > of the customer back to OSM? If not, does that still hold when I >> > upscale it to millions of customers? >> > >> > Thanks for the assistance, in any case. I know this is a somewhat >> > contentious issue for the community, and I'd rather not make any >> > assumptions. >> >> ODbL isn't contentious among OpenStreetMap contributors at all. We've >> all agreed to ODbL as a matter of course, in getting our contributor >> accounts. Sounds like you've been mislead by somebody with a bone to >> pick. Ignore them. :-) >> >> The right mailing list for license-realted questions or discussions is >> legal-talk@[1] >> >> On the face of your question, I would be surprised if OpenStreetMap >> would want to know the current location of an individual. That seems >> to fly in the face of the respect for individual privacy that >> OpenStreetMap demonstrates. I've presumed that your customer is a >> person, as they go about their day. That presumption could be way off >> base. >> >> It could go the other way, I suppose. If your customer is a business >> or POI that isn't included in OpenStreetMap, well then, yes >> OpenStreetMap would like that data. > > > For the terms of the license it doesn't matter what data is interesting for > OpenStreetMap or not at all, but rather what licensing terms apply. If you > create data by computation based on OpenStreetMap data you are clearly > creating a Produced Work and the data is unencumbered by the share alike > provisions. > > Of course, if you have awesome data for OpenStreetMap, please contribute! > > Alex > > > > > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ODBL for Spatial Analysis
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM, William Morris > wrote: > > Please let me know if I should direct this at a different list, but I > > have a basic question about the implications of the ODBL: > > > > OSM is brimming with great POIs and network features; I'd like to use > > some of these categories to answer broad questions like "How far is > > this customer from the nearest park/school/whatever"? Unfortunately, > > I'm not precisely sure of my legal obligation once I've answered that > > question. Specifically, would I be required to contribute the location > > of the customer back to OSM? If not, does that still hold when I > > upscale it to millions of customers? > > > > Thanks for the assistance, in any case. I know this is a somewhat > > contentious issue for the community, and I'd rather not make any > > assumptions. > > ODbL isn't contentious among OpenStreetMap contributors at all. We've > all agreed to ODbL as a matter of course, in getting our contributor > accounts. Sounds like you've been mislead by somebody with a bone to > pick. Ignore them. :-) > > The right mailing list for license-realted questions or discussions is > legal-talk@[1] > > On the face of your question, I would be surprised if OpenStreetMap > would want to know the current location of an individual. That seems > to fly in the face of the respect for individual privacy that > OpenStreetMap demonstrates. I've presumed that your customer is a > person, as they go about their day. That presumption could be way off > base. > > It could go the other way, I suppose. If your customer is a business > or POI that isn't included in OpenStreetMap, well then, yes > OpenStreetMap would like that data. For the terms of the license it doesn't matter what data is interesting for OpenStreetMap or not at all, but rather what licensing terms apply. If you create data by computation based on OpenStreetMap data you are clearly creating a Produced Work and the data is unencumbered by the share alike provisions. Of course, if you have awesome data for OpenStreetMap, please contribute! Alex ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ODBL for Spatial Analysis
On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM, William Morris wrote: > Please let me know if I should direct this at a different list, but I > have a basic question about the implications of the ODBL: > > OSM is brimming with great POIs and network features; I'd like to use > some of these categories to answer broad questions like "How far is > this customer from the nearest park/school/whatever"? Unfortunately, > I'm not precisely sure of my legal obligation once I've answered that > question. Specifically, would I be required to contribute the location > of the customer back to OSM? If not, does that still hold when I > upscale it to millions of customers? > > Thanks for the assistance, in any case. I know this is a somewhat > contentious issue for the community, and I'd rather not make any > assumptions. ODbL isn't contentious among OpenStreetMap contributors at all. We've all agreed to ODbL as a matter of course, in getting our contributor accounts. Sounds like you've been mislead by somebody with a bone to pick. Ignore them. :-) The right mailing list for license-realted questions or discussions is legal-talk@[1] On the face of your question, I would be surprised if OpenStreetMap would want to know the current location of an individual. That seems to fly in the face of the respect for individual privacy that OpenStreetMap demonstrates. I've presumed that your customer is a person, as they go about their day. That presumption could be way off base. It could go the other way, I suppose. If your customer is a business or POI that isn't included in OpenStreetMap, well then, yes OpenStreetMap would like that data. But again, you should have this discussion on legal-talk@. [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] ODBL for Spatial Analysis
Please let me know if I should direct this at a different list, but I have a basic question about the implications of the ODBL: OSM is brimming with great POIs and network features; I'd like to use some of these categories to answer broad questions like "How far is this customer from the nearest park/school/whatever"? Unfortunately, I'm not precisely sure of my legal obligation once I've answered that question. Specifically, would I be required to contribute the location of the customer back to OSM? If not, does that still hold when I upscale it to millions of customers? Thanks for the assistance, in any case. I know this is a somewhat contentious issue for the community, and I'd rather not make any assumptions. -Bill -- William Morris | Senior Visualization Engineer Faraday Inc | faraday.io | (802)-458-0441 x336 | SF/VT/FR/WI ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
