Re: [Talk-us] Proposed Welcome Working Group meeting (was: Role of the Wiki)
Hi, On 10 December 2012 22:59, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: * What has been attempted before? Did it work? Why (not)? I won't be in the meeting but there's a (small) dataset that could be used for analyses of whether automated welcome messages work. I'm not planning to produce statistics myself but others can run the statistics that they see useful. We're sending automated welcome messages to users who's first node edit is within Poland and some two months ago after talking to Paul Norman I changed the logic to only send the message to ~75% of those users so that the other ~25% could be used for comparisons with a good probability that the receiving of the message is independent from other factors. Roughly all editing users with UIDs = 813385 and not divisible by 4 were greeted and those divisible by 4 were not (note that the order of messages is based on the time of first edit, not on the UID). The sample is still small, we see about 4 new users a day on average. I maintain a simple python api to send OSM messages[1] and if it is decided that it would be good to start welcoming users in a different region with a specific message I can add that fairly easily if the rate of new users is below the rate of messages allowed by rails port. Cheers 1. https://github.com/balrog-kun/osm-scripts ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Proposed Welcome Working Group meeting (was: Role of the Wiki)
Thanks everyone who took the time to indicate availability. The best time is Thursday noon MST / 7PM GMT based on response. Let's meet on IRC. We can hijack #osm-strategic for this meeting (unless we hear otherwise). Use irc.openstreetmap.org or your favorite IRC channel to log on. It would help greatly if everyone who intends to participate would take a moment to think about these questions: * What can we do in the next month / year / 5 years to keep more mappers engaged after they sign up? Think small and big. * What do you want to do yourself to achieve this, and how much time can you spend on it? * What has been attempted before? Did it work? Why (not)? Also, please review the previous meeting log and proposal (see below) and rally others you think should be involved. Talk to you Thursday. Martijn On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, Let me bump this topic - the Welcome Working Group as originally proposed and kicked off by Richard Weait (proposal here[1], initial meeting IRC log here[2]) will meet again this coming week. Welcome Working Group? Yes. In very broad strokes, this WG will look at how we can do a better job of courting / retaining mappers who sign up and never edit or edit only once, never to be heard of again. These folks have shown an active interest in the project and yet we somehow don't manage to make sense to them. That's a real shame and we think there may be ways to do something about this. I am proposing some time slots that should work for N-America and Europe. If you're interested to join this important discussion, please indicate your availability before 1900 UTC tomorrow by following this link. http://doodle.com/z4rzz66k2nhh5h2d Based on the responses I will then determine the best time to meet. You can then still decide to join of course. Martijn [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rw/Proposal:Welcome_Working_Group [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rw/Proposal:Welcome_Working_Group/Initial_meeting_agenda/irclog On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: I thought I should bump this up to its own thread: The Welcome WG needs a boost after Richard's (cc) initial great work on the proposal and initial meeting. Let's have a follow-up meeting to see who's interested in committing time to this WG, what we can do right now and what the longer term agenda and priorities should be. How about next week? Anyone who has ideas about and - more importantly - is willing to spend time towards solving the Welcome problem, please join. http://doodle.com/z4rzz66k2nhh5h2d We can do it on IRC, Google Hangout (my preference), phone or whatever works for all involved. -- Forwarded message -- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:16 PM Subject: Fwd: [Talk-us] Role of the Wiki To: OSM US board us-osm-bo...@googlegroups.com FYI, I put out an invitation for a Welcome Working Group meeting: -- Forwarded message -- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Role of the Wiki To: Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com Cc: Scott Rollins organ...@gmail.com, OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List t...@openstreetmap.org, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org, OpenStreetMap US Talk talk-us@openstreetmap.org, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com Kathleen, Yes, the Welcome WG does need a boost after Richard's (cc) initial great work on the proposal and initial meeting. I wanted to wait until the semester is over so that my teaching obligations would not keep interfering, but I guess we're almost there, so I am willing to organize a next meeting to see who's interested in committing time to this WG, what we can do right now and what the longer term agenda and priorities should be. So how about next week? Anyone who has ideas about and - more importantly - is willing to spend time towards solving the Welcome problem, please join. http://doodle.com/z4rzz66k2nhh5h2d We can do it on IRC, Google Hangout (my preference), phone or whatever works for all involved. Martijn On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Some of these resources may require a little effort on your part, and they may not all be as well advertised or interconnected as they should be, but you have to realize that OpenStreetMap is eternally a work in progress, run entirely by volunteers who are working really hard to keep up with and channel that progress. I think that the first half of that sentence is worth taking notice of, with all due respect to the second half (and the volunteers who make it so!). As a newcomer to OSM, I am aware that there are some really fantastic resources out there, but I'm not really sure where to start, and that in and of itself ends up being quite
Re: [Talk-us] Proposed Welcome Working Group meeting (was: Role of the Wiki)
Hi all, Let me bump this topic - the Welcome Working Group as originally proposed and kicked off by Richard Weait (proposal here[1], initial meeting IRC log here[2]) will meet again this coming week. Welcome Working Group? Yes. In very broad strokes, this WG will look at how we can do a better job of courting / retaining mappers who sign up and never edit or edit only once, never to be heard of again. These folks have shown an active interest in the project and yet we somehow don't manage to make sense to them. That's a real shame and we think there may be ways to do something about this. I am proposing some time slots that should work for N-America and Europe. If you're interested to join this important discussion, please indicate your availability before 1900 UTC tomorrow by following this link. http://doodle.com/z4rzz66k2nhh5h2d Based on the responses I will then determine the best time to meet. You can then still decide to join of course. Martijn [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rw/Proposal:Welcome_Working_Group [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rw/Proposal:Welcome_Working_Group/Initial_meeting_agenda/irclog On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: I thought I should bump this up to its own thread: The Welcome WG needs a boost after Richard's (cc) initial great work on the proposal and initial meeting. Let's have a follow-up meeting to see who's interested in committing time to this WG, what we can do right now and what the longer term agenda and priorities should be. How about next week? Anyone who has ideas about and - more importantly - is willing to spend time towards solving the Welcome problem, please join. http://doodle.com/z4rzz66k2nhh5h2d We can do it on IRC, Google Hangout (my preference), phone or whatever works for all involved. -- Forwarded message -- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:16 PM Subject: Fwd: [Talk-us] Role of the Wiki To: OSM US board us-osm-bo...@googlegroups.com FYI, I put out an invitation for a Welcome Working Group meeting: -- Forwarded message -- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Role of the Wiki To: Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com Cc: Scott Rollins organ...@gmail.com, OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List t...@openstreetmap.org, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org, OpenStreetMap US Talk talk-us@openstreetmap.org, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com Kathleen, Yes, the Welcome WG does need a boost after Richard's (cc) initial great work on the proposal and initial meeting. I wanted to wait until the semester is over so that my teaching obligations would not keep interfering, but I guess we're almost there, so I am willing to organize a next meeting to see who's interested in committing time to this WG, what we can do right now and what the longer term agenda and priorities should be. So how about next week? Anyone who has ideas about and - more importantly - is willing to spend time towards solving the Welcome problem, please join. http://doodle.com/z4rzz66k2nhh5h2d We can do it on IRC, Google Hangout (my preference), phone or whatever works for all involved. Martijn On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Some of these resources may require a little effort on your part, and they may not all be as well advertised or interconnected as they should be, but you have to realize that OpenStreetMap is eternally a work in progress, run entirely by volunteers who are working really hard to keep up with and channel that progress. I think that the first half of that sentence is worth taking notice of, with all due respect to the second half (and the volunteers who make it so!). As a newcomer to OSM, I am aware that there are some really fantastic resources out there, but I'm not really sure where to start, and that in and of itself ends up being quite discouraging. Some more direction and encouragement for new users could both help new mappers who share these frustrations, as well as identify highest priority action items for documentation improvement. I gather there's a proposal for a new Welcome Working Group, and I think that this potential group has a lot to offer in this exact area. I 100% understand how experienced users and contributors can feel taxed by discussions like this, but I think there is a subset of members who are eager to help onboard new mappers. Maybe this is a good time to re-kickstart that proposal? Personally, I'm really excited to get involved in this aspect of the OSM community. (apologies if I'm missing any important context/discussions happening elsewhere) Best, Kathleen On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Some of these resources may require a little effort on your
Re: [Talk-us] Proposed Welcome Working Group meeting (was: Role of the Wiki)
For those who already looked at the doodle: I changed the times just now as I realized the proposed times would be in the middle of the night for Europe. On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: I thought I should bump this up to its own thread: The Welcome WG needs a boost after Richard's (cc) initial great work on the proposal and initial meeting. Let's have a follow-up meeting to see who's interested in committing time to this WG, what we can do right now and what the longer term agenda and priorities should be. How about next week? Anyone who has ideas about and - more importantly - is willing to spend time towards solving the Welcome problem, please join. http://doodle.com/z4rzz66k2nhh5h2d We can do it on IRC, Google Hangout (my preference), phone or whatever works for all involved. -- Forwarded message -- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:16 PM Subject: Fwd: [Talk-us] Role of the Wiki To: OSM US board us-osm-bo...@googlegroups.com FYI, I put out an invitation for a Welcome Working Group meeting: -- Forwarded message -- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Role of the Wiki To: Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com Cc: Scott Rollins organ...@gmail.com, OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List t...@openstreetmap.org, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com, Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org, OpenStreetMap US Talk talk-us@openstreetmap.org, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com Kathleen, Yes, the Welcome WG does need a boost after Richard's (cc) initial great work on the proposal and initial meeting. I wanted to wait until the semester is over so that my teaching obligations would not keep interfering, but I guess we're almost there, so I am willing to organize a next meeting to see who's interested in committing time to this WG, what we can do right now and what the longer term agenda and priorities should be. So how about next week? Anyone who has ideas about and - more importantly - is willing to spend time towards solving the Welcome problem, please join. http://doodle.com/z4rzz66k2nhh5h2d We can do it on IRC, Google Hangout (my preference), phone or whatever works for all involved. Martijn On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Some of these resources may require a little effort on your part, and they may not all be as well advertised or interconnected as they should be, but you have to realize that OpenStreetMap is eternally a work in progress, run entirely by volunteers who are working really hard to keep up with and channel that progress. I think that the first half of that sentence is worth taking notice of, with all due respect to the second half (and the volunteers who make it so!). As a newcomer to OSM, I am aware that there are some really fantastic resources out there, but I'm not really sure where to start, and that in and of itself ends up being quite discouraging. Some more direction and encouragement for new users could both help new mappers who share these frustrations, as well as identify highest priority action items for documentation improvement. I gather there's a proposal for a new Welcome Working Group, and I think that this potential group has a lot to offer in this exact area. I 100% understand how experienced users and contributors can feel taxed by discussions like this, but I think there is a subset of members who are eager to help onboard new mappers. Maybe this is a good time to re-kickstart that proposal? Personally, I'm really excited to get involved in this aspect of the OSM community. (apologies if I'm missing any important context/discussions happening elsewhere) Best, Kathleen On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Some of these resources may require a little effort on your part, and they may not all be as well advertised or interconnected as they should be, -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
