Re: [Talk-us] Relation template for an honorary/memorial highway?
I agree. Twice I've removed "Dwight D. Eisenhower Highway" from highways in the western United States. If you look in Maryland, it's been added by one of the users I dealt with. I think it should be removed in Maryland as well. I didn't remove it because I felt it was well outside my area of geographical expertise.https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=frederick%2C%20maryland#map=14/39.4750/-77.5387- Jack Armstrong(chachafish)-Original Message- From: Joseph Eisenberg Sent: May 26, 2020 5:16 PM To: Jack Armstrong Cc: Talk us Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Relation template for an honorary/memorial highway? All US Interstate Highways are part of the Dwight D. Eisenhower Highway system, just like they are all part of the Pan-American Highway System. Neither of these names should be tagged in OpenStreetMap, because they are not used on signs or by locals.This information is appropriate for Wikidata and Wikipedia, rather than OpenStreetMap.-JosephOn Tue, May 26, 2020 at 2:43 PM Jack Armstrong <jacknst...@sprynet.com> wrote:Sorry. I typed Theodore Roosevelt, but I meant to type, Dwight D. Eisenhower Highway. It's the Dwight D. Eisenhower Highway that gives me the biggest headaches and longest discussions every time it comes up.https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/ddehwy.cfmI thought official_name=* was for country names, but I'm also hesitant to use it as I think an interstate highway such as, I-70 would render the name, "Dwight D. Eisenhower Highway" on maps when it's not actually used by locals nor used on any signage.I certainly have no desire to spend the time creating relations, especially if it's not considered a best practice. I'm just looking for a way to avoid so many long discussions (and sometimes arguments) about these honorary/memorial names that aren't actually used but were created by some obscure congressional bill long ago.Cheers-Original Message- From: Joseph Eisenberg Sent: May 26, 2020 2:54 PM To: Jack Armstrong Cc: Talk us Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Relation template for an honorary/memorial highway? Only real, current features should be mapped, but it's possible to add "official names" even if they are not the commonly used name, as long as they are documented on signs.It looks like some of these are historic only: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt_International_Highway - historic, no longer existsAnd the Pan-American Highway system officially includes all the Interstates in the United States, but has no signage. So there is not an appropriate way to map this in OpenStreetMap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-American_Highway#Contiguous_48_states_of_the_United_StatesBut these can probably be tagged as "official_name=Ronald Reagan Highway": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Highway– Joseph EisenbergOn Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:15 PM Jack Armstrong <jacknst...@sprynet.com> wrote:>> More than once in the past, users have attempted to “name” highways in Colorado as the “CanAm Highway”, the “Pan-American Highway”, the “Ronald Reagan Memorial Highway” and the “Theodore Roosevelt International Highway”, to name a few. There are other honorary/memorial highway designations in the area.>>> In order to satisfy persons who want to map these and other memorial highways that aren’t actually named “on the ground” here, I’m thinking relations might be created. This way, when this situation undoubtedly comes up again, I can point the user to the relation and more easily resolve any conflicts.>>> Any suggestions as to the relation template I should use? I looked at the interstate highway relation wiki and it doesn’t seem to be quite right. For example, it requires a ref - number only. >>> I suppose, where appropriate, a different relation should be created for each state the memorial highway passes through? Which network relation or super relation should these memorial route relations be tied into?>>> Any feedback is welcome. Thanks :)>>>>> ___> Talk-us mailing list> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us www.theaveragenomad.comwww.theaveragenomad.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Relation template for an honorary/memorial highway?
All US Interstate Highways are part of the Dwight D. Eisenhower Highway system, just like they are all part of the Pan-American Highway System. Neither of these names should be tagged in OpenStreetMap, because they are not used on signs or by locals. This information is appropriate for Wikidata and Wikipedia, rather than OpenStreetMap. -Joseph On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 2:43 PM Jack Armstrong wrote: > Sorry. I typed Theodore Roosevelt, but I meant to type, Dwight D. > Eisenhower Highway. It's the Dwight D. Eisenhower Highway that gives me the > biggest headaches and longest discussions every time it comes up. > > https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/ddehwy.cfm > > I thought official_name=* was for country names, but I'm also hesitant to > use it as I think an interstate highway such as, I-70 would render the > name, "Dwight D. Eisenhower Highway" on maps when it's not actually used > by locals nor used on any signage. > > I certainly have no desire to spend the time creating relations, > especially if it's not considered a best practice. I'm just looking for a > way to avoid so many long discussions (and sometimes arguments) about these > honorary/memorial names that aren't actually used but were created by some > obscure congressional bill long ago. > > Cheers > > > -Original Message- > From: Joseph Eisenberg > Sent: May 26, 2020 2:54 PM > To: Jack Armstrong > Cc: Talk us > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Relation template for an honorary/memorial highway? > > Only real, current features should be mapped, but it's possible to add > "official names" even if they are not the commonly used name, as long as > they are documented on signs. > > It looks like some of these are historic only: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt_International_Highway - > historic, no longer exists > > And the Pan-American Highway system officially includes all the > Interstates in the United States, but has no signage. So there is not an > appropriate way to map this in OpenStreetMap: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-American_Highway#Contiguous_48_states_of_the_United_States > > But these can probably be tagged as "official_name=Ronald Reagan Highway": > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Highway > > – Joseph Eisenberg > > On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:15 PM Jack Armstrong > wrote: > > > > More than once in the past, users have attempted to “name” highways in > Colorado as the “CanAm Highway”, the “Pan-American Highway”, the “Ronald > Reagan Memorial Highway” and the “Theodore Roosevelt International > Highway”, to name a few. There are other honorary/memorial highway > designations in the area. > > > > > > In order to satisfy persons who want to map these and other memorial > highways that aren’t actually named “on the ground” here, I’m thinking > relations might be created. This way, when this situation undoubtedly comes > up again, I can point the user to the relation and more easily resolve any > conflicts. > > > > > > Any suggestions as to the relation template I should use? I looked at > the interstate highway relation wiki and it doesn’t seem to be quite right. > For example, it requires a ref - number only. > > > > > > I suppose, where appropriate, a different relation should be created for > each state the memorial highway passes through? Which network relation or > super relation should these memorial route relations be tied into? > > > > > > Any feedback is welcome. Thanks :) > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-us mailing list > > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Relation template for an honorary/memorial highway?
Sorry. I typed Theodore Roosevelt, but I meant to type, Dwight D. Eisenhower Highway. It's the Dwight D. Eisenhower Highway that gives me the biggest headaches and longest discussions every time it comes up.https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/ddehwy.cfmI thought official_name=* was for country names, but I'm also hesitant to use it as I think an interstate highway such as, I-70 would render the name, "Dwight D. Eisenhower Highway" on maps when it's not actually used by locals nor used on any signage.I certainly have no desire to spend the time creating relations, especially if it's not considered a best practice. I'm just looking for a way to avoid so many long discussions (and sometimes arguments) about these honorary/memorial names that aren't actually used but were created by some obscure congressional bill long ago.Cheers-Original Message- From: Joseph Eisenberg Sent: May 26, 2020 2:54 PM To: Jack Armstrong Cc: Talk us Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Relation template for an honorary/memorial highway? Only real, current features should be mapped, but it's possible to add "official names" even if they are not the commonly used name, as long as they are documented on signs.It looks like some of these are historic only: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt_International_Highway - historic, no longer existsAnd the Pan-American Highway system officially includes all the Interstates in the United States, but has no signage. So there is not an appropriate way to map this in OpenStreetMap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-American_Highway#Contiguous_48_states_of_the_United_StatesBut these can probably be tagged as "official_name=Ronald Reagan Highway": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Highway– Joseph EisenbergOn Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:15 PM Jack Armstrong <jacknst...@sprynet.com> wrote:>> More than once in the past, users have attempted to “name” highways in Colorado as the “CanAm Highway”, the “Pan-American Highway”, the “Ronald Reagan Memorial Highway” and the “Theodore Roosevelt International Highway”, to name a few. There are other honorary/memorial highway designations in the area.>>> In order to satisfy persons who want to map these and other memorial highways that aren’t actually named “on the ground” here, I’m thinking relations might be created. This way, when this situation undoubtedly comes up again, I can point the user to the relation and more easily resolve any conflicts.>>> Any suggestions as to the relation template I should use? I looked at the interstate highway relation wiki and it doesn’t seem to be quite right. For example, it requires a ref - number only. >>> I suppose, where appropriate, a different relation should be created for each state the memorial highway passes through? Which network relation or super relation should these memorial route relations be tied into?>>> Any feedback is welcome. Thanks :)>>>>> ___> Talk-us mailing list> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Relation template for an honorary/memorial highway?
Totally agree, memorial highway names should be under the official_name=* tag. Usually nobody calls roads by their memorial name. -Evin On Tue, May 26, 2020, 1:56 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Only real, current features should be mapped, but it's possible to add > "official names" even if they are not the commonly used name, as long as > they are documented on signs. > > It looks like some of these are historic only: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt_International_Highway - > historic, no longer exists > > And the Pan-American Highway system officially includes all the > Interstates in the United States, but has no signage. So there is not an > appropriate way to map this in OpenStreetMap: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-American_Highway#Contiguous_48_states_of_the_United_States > > But these can probably be tagged as "official_name=Ronald Reagan Highway": > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Highway > > – Joseph Eisenberg > > On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:15 PM Jack Armstrong > wrote: > > > > More than once in the past, users have attempted to “name” highways in > Colorado as the “CanAm Highway”, the “Pan-American Highway”, the “Ronald > Reagan Memorial Highway” and the “Theodore Roosevelt International > Highway”, to name a few. There are other honorary/memorial highway > designations in the area. > > > > > > In order to satisfy persons who want to map these and other memorial > highways that aren’t actually named “on the ground” here, I’m thinking > relations might be created. This way, when this situation undoubtedly comes > up again, I can point the user to the relation and more easily resolve any > conflicts. > > > > > > Any suggestions as to the relation template I should use? I looked at > the interstate highway relation wiki and it doesn’t seem to be quite right. > For example, it requires a ref - number only. > > > > > > I suppose, where appropriate, a different relation should be created for > each state the memorial highway passes through? Which network relation or > super relation should these memorial route relations be tied into? > > > > > > Any feedback is welcome. Thanks :) > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-us mailing list > > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Relation template for an honorary/memorial highway?
Only real, current features should be mapped, but it's possible to add "official names" even if they are not the commonly used name, as long as they are documented on signs. It looks like some of these are historic only: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt_International_Highway - historic, no longer exists And the Pan-American Highway system officially includes all the Interstates in the United States, but has no signage. So there is not an appropriate way to map this in OpenStreetMap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-American_Highway#Contiguous_48_states_of_the_United_States But these can probably be tagged as "official_name=Ronald Reagan Highway": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Highway – Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:15 PM Jack Armstrong wrote: > > More than once in the past, users have attempted to “name” highways in Colorado as the “CanAm Highway”, the “Pan-American Highway”, the “Ronald Reagan Memorial Highway” and the “Theodore Roosevelt International Highway”, to name a few. There are other honorary/memorial highway designations in the area. > > > In order to satisfy persons who want to map these and other memorial highways that aren’t actually named “on the ground” here, I’m thinking relations might be created. This way, when this situation undoubtedly comes up again, I can point the user to the relation and more easily resolve any conflicts. > > > Any suggestions as to the relation template I should use? I looked at the interstate highway relation wiki and it doesn’t seem to be quite right. For example, it requires a ref - number only. > > > I suppose, where appropriate, a different relation should be created for each state the memorial highway passes through? Which network relation or super relation should these memorial route relations be tied into? > > > Any feedback is welcome. Thanks :) > > > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Relation template for an honorary/memorial highway?
More than once in the past, users have attempted to “name” highways in Colorado as the “CanAm Highway”, the “Pan-American Highway”, the “Ronald Reagan Memorial Highway” and the “Theodore Roosevelt International Highway”, to name a few. There are other honorary/memorial highway designations in the area.In order to satisfy persons who want to map these and other memorial highways that aren’t actually named “on the ground” here, I’m thinking relations might be created. This way, when this situation undoubtedly comes up again, I can point the user to the relation and more easily resolve any conflicts.Any suggestions as to the relation template I should use? I looked at the interstate highway relation wiki and it doesn’t seem to be quite right. For example, it requires a ref - number only. I suppose, where appropriate, a different relation should be created for each state the memorial highway passes through? Which network relation or super relation should these memorial route relations be tied into?Any feedback is welcome. Thanks :) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
