Re: [Talk-us] STOP - All vehicles must register
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 1:10 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > The case of non-hard-surface roads brought this to mind. There are a few > roads across the Adirondack Park that are open to the public (in summer) > and have endpoints that look like > > http://i65.tinypic.com/2enq9ew.jpg > Map the stop and map the information board. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] STOP - All vehicles must register
On 04/24/2018 03:16 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: > On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 11:10 AM Kevin Kenny > mailto:kevin.b.kenny%2b...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> The case of non-hard-surface roads brought this to mind. >> [...]>> The requirement is that vehicles (or bicycles, pedestrians, horses, >> etc.) must stop, and the party leader fills out an entry in the book >> that's kept in one of the boxes on the kiosk. > > The first thing that comes to mind is a barrier=toll_booth: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dtoll_booth > > Perhaps also with a fee=no to indicate that you don't have to pay any money. Looks like troll tagging to me. barrier=toll_booth is wrong on both counts; there isn't necessarily a physical barrier (the gate might be open, yet vehicles are still required to register) and there's no toll being collected. Adding fee=no is just going to confuse people even more. To me, it makes as much sense as highway=footway and foot=no. -- Shawn K. Quinn http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] STOP - All vehicles must register
The first thing that comes to mind is a barrier=toll_booth: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dtoll_booth Perhaps also with a fee=no to indicate that you don't have to pay any money. Peter On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 11:10 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > The case of non-hard-surface roads brought this to mind. There are a few > roads across the Adirondack Park that are open to the public (in summer) > and have endpoints that look like > > http://i65.tinypic.com/2enq9ew.jpg > > In this case, I already recognize - tag the two cabins (they are a ranger > station, not often staffed), the gate, the outhouse, the well, perhaps the > signage. But what to do about the kiosk/register? > > The requirement is that vehicles (or bicycles, pedestrians, horses, etc.) > must stop, and the party leader fills out an entry in the book that's kept > in one of the boxes on the kiosk. (There happen to be two books at that > location; one for vehicles that are merely traversing the road and another > for hikers, skiers, and riders who are venturing off-road into the > backcountry) The understood procedure is that it's all right to pass as > long as the gate is unlocked, and the expectation is that drivers will > leave the gate as they found it - close it if they opened it. > > Is there an OSM tag for "this is where you stop and execute formalities" > that I've missed? I know that calling it out as an access restriction on > the road has been controversial, and I don't tag that because any scheme > gets someone up in arms. For this reason, tagging that registration is a > requirement to drive on the road is Out Of Scope. I'm simply trying to tag > the on-the-ground "this is where you stop and register." > > By the way, I'd tag the road in the picture as at least > highway=unclassified and possibly even tertiary. In the seasons when it's > open (usually late April to early November, depending on snow conditions) > it's the main route between the villages of Indian Lake and Inlet, and when > it's closed the trip is many miles longer. The registration requirement is > largely to make sure that drivers have all the warnings in front of their > faces - they're going to be spending the next hour driving on an unpaved > road across some very forbidding country, with no services available and no > mobile phone coverage nor radio call boxes. (It's also there because Search > and Rescue isn't going to give quite the same treatment if someone goes > missing without having signed in.) > > There are simpler but similar setups on some footways - where the hiker > must not only register, but take the carbon copy along as proof of > registration. (The plan is that sometimes the number of forms will be > limited as a primitive means of 'first come, first served' capacity > control. I don't think it's ever actually got that far.) > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] STOP - All vehicles must register
The case of non-hard-surface roads brought this to mind. There are a few roads across the Adirondack Park that are open to the public (in summer) and have endpoints that look like http://i65.tinypic.com/2enq9ew.jpg In this case, I already recognize - tag the two cabins (they are a ranger station, not often staffed), the gate, the outhouse, the well, perhaps the signage. But what to do about the kiosk/register? The requirement is that vehicles (or bicycles, pedestrians, horses, etc.) must stop, and the party leader fills out an entry in the book that's kept in one of the boxes on the kiosk. (There happen to be two books at that location; one for vehicles that are merely traversing the road and another for hikers, skiers, and riders who are venturing off-road into the backcountry) The understood procedure is that it's all right to pass as long as the gate is unlocked, and the expectation is that drivers will leave the gate as they found it - close it if they opened it. Is there an OSM tag for "this is where you stop and execute formalities" that I've missed? I know that calling it out as an access restriction on the road has been controversial, and I don't tag that because any scheme gets someone up in arms. For this reason, tagging that registration is a requirement to drive on the road is Out Of Scope. I'm simply trying to tag the on-the-ground "this is where you stop and register." By the way, I'd tag the road in the picture as at least highway=unclassified and possibly even tertiary. In the seasons when it's open (usually late April to early November, depending on snow conditions) it's the main route between the villages of Indian Lake and Inlet, and when it's closed the trip is many miles longer. The registration requirement is largely to make sure that drivers have all the warnings in front of their faces - they're going to be spending the next hour driving on an unpaved road across some very forbidding country, with no services available and no mobile phone coverage nor radio call boxes. (It's also there because Search and Rescue isn't going to give quite the same treatment if someone goes missing without having signed in.) There are simpler but similar setups on some footways - where the hiker must not only register, but take the carbon copy along as proof of registration. (The plan is that sometimes the number of forms will be limited as a primitive means of 'first come, first served' capacity control. I don't think it's ever actually got that far.) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
