Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
On Jun 14, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: secondarily, if it is indeed the case that this is mostly happening because of paid mappers (i don't know that for a fact), can we please contact who ever is supervising the paid mappers and discuss whether their training program and standards could be improved? That would be me :) The folks at Telenav who do mapping as part of their job are urgently aware that they need to treat local knowledge with the utmost respect and care, and that Bing (and any) imagery is to be used with caution. When in doubt, we try to compare against other imagery sources, and State / local GIS data. If that does not give us something definitive, we don’t touch the situation, or leave an OSM note [1]. Also, mapping for the United States is exclusively done by folks who live in the United States and therefore a) are familiar at a general level with road layout / signage etc. in the US and b) are able to connect easily with the local community / individual mappers. As always, if you find any issue with mapping done by one of our folks, please don’t hesitate to get in touch with them, or me. Martijn [1] see for example notes by Kristen (who has participated in this thread already) http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/KristenK/notes ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 07:01:35 -0500 From: ba...@ursamundi.org To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:08 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Maybe we should invite the MapBox paid mappers to join in this conversation? This is something I would like to become (hint, hint). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us You're not the only one Paul. I'd love to as well. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:08 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Maybe we should invite the MapBox paid mappers to join in this conversation? This is something I would like to become (hint, hint). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
On 2015-06-11 06:42, Richard Welty wrote: please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware that aerial imagery may be several years out of date. yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing aerial imagery. i was able to locate my GPX tracks and put it back, but i still had to revisit the site to re-verify some connecting roads. i had even put a README tag on the roads warning that the imagery was out of date, but the armchair mapper didn't bother to, you know, read the README. With both outdated imagery and the Ohio River [1], I've had better luck placing redundant `note` tags on every way that such a mapper would be inclined to delete. iD shows `note` in a big box in the sidebar. It's a bit harder to miss than a (heretofore) ad-hoc tag that would be relegated to the All Tags section. Potlatch 2 doesn't support anything like it, unfortunately. If it gets really bad, you could try spelling out DO NOT ERASE in aerialway=contrail ways. :-P [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ohio_River -- m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
On 6/14/15 2:27 PM, Minh Nguyen wrote: With both outdated imagery and the Ohio River [1], I've had better luck placing redundant `note` tags on every way that such a mapper would be inclined to delete. iD shows `note` in a big box in the sidebar. It's a bit harder to miss than a (heretofore) ad-hoc tag that would be relegated to the All Tags section. Potlatch 2 doesn't support anything like it, unfortunately. well, it's nice that iD supports a note tag this way. as far as i know Potlatch does not and i tested JOSM and it doesn't seem to. so note in iD would appear to be as ad-hoc as my use of README because it sorts to the top of the tag lists in Potlatch and JOSM. so can we have one tag which is properly supported across the major editors? is that too much to ask? secondarily, if it is indeed the case that this is mostly happening because of paid mappers (i don't know that for a fact), can we please contact who ever is supervising the paid mappers and discuss whether their training program and standards could be improved? richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
There is an open item in iD to display the date of the aerial imagery alongside the attribution message. We actually don’t get this from most tile providers, but we can get it from Bing in the response header. Would definitely welcome a pull request if someone wants to take a shot at implementing this. https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492 https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492 Thanks, Bryan On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Kam, Kristen krist...@telenav.com wrote: We need to make it more easier to load up-to-date imagery to our OSM editing applications. And I think something easy as publicizing the date of the imagery collection would get folks to do a double take before using older imagery. Kristen Sent from OWA on Android From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:42:29 AM To: Talk Openstreetmap; Help for newbie mappers Subject: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware that aerial imagery may be several years out of date. yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing aerial imagery. i was able to locate my GPX tracks and put it back, but i still had to revisit the site to re-verify some connecting roads. i had even put a README tag on the roads warning that the imagery was out of date, but the armchair mapper didn't bother to, you know, read the README. i don't object to careful armchair mapping, i do it myself, but you need to keep in mind that the imagery available may a number of years old. i can name a number of highways in the Capital District of NY where the imagery is old and the highways have been realigned and/or reconfigured. this will be true in many places. if you see a mismatch, it would be a good idea to look at the history and try to contact the the mapper responsible for the mismatch first. thanks, richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
We need to make it more easier to load up-to-date imagery to our OSM editing applications. And I think something easy as publicizing the date of the imagery collection would get folks to do a double take before using older imagery. Kristen Sent from OWA on Android From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:42:29 AM To: Talk Openstreetmap; Help for newbie mappers Subject: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware that aerial imagery may be several years out of date. yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing aerial imagery. i was able to locate my GPX tracks and put it back, but i still had to revisit the site to re-verify some connecting roads. i had even put a README tag on the roads warning that the imagery was out of date, but the armchair mapper didn't bother to, you know, read the README. i don't object to careful armchair mapping, i do it myself, but you need to keep in mind that the imagery available may a number of years old. i can name a number of highways in the Capital District of NY where the imagery is old and the highways have been realigned and/or reconfigured. this will be true in many places. if you see a mismatch, it would be a good idea to look at the history and try to contact the the mapper responsible for the mismatch first. thanks, richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
On 6/11/15 10:05 AM, Kam, Kristen wrote: We need to make it more easier to load up-to-date imagery to our OSM editing applications. And I think something easy as publicizing the date of the imagery collection would get folks to do a double take before using older imagery. i am not persuaded that these armchair mappers are paying attention. unless there's a big warning this imagery is X years old that can't be ignored, i think the information will frequently be ignored. i'd like a tag that we could use that has some editor support, it might be the case that all we need is a pop up dialog when there's a README tag that says something like Read this before committing: text of README tag richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i'd like a tag that we could use that has some editor support, it might be the case that all we need is a pop up dialog when there's a README tag that says something like Read this before committing: text of README tag I like this suggestion. I have not noticed any of my work undone by armchair mappers, but it is something that has crossed my mind as there are several trails that I have surveyed that have been rerouted recently, and that rerouting is not reflected in the Bing imagery. Mike ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware that aerial imagery may be several years out of date. yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing aerial imagery. i was able to locate my GPX tracks and put it back, but i still had to revisit the site to re-verify some connecting roads. i had even put a README tag on the roads warning that the imagery was out of date, but the armchair mapper didn't bother to, you know, read the README. i don't object to careful armchair mapping, i do it myself, but you need to keep in mind that the imagery available may a number of years old. i can name a number of highways in the Capital District of NY where the imagery is old and the highways have been realigned and/or reconfigured. this will be true in many places. if you see a mismatch, it would be a good idea to look at the history and try to contact the the mapper responsible for the mismatch first. thanks, richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
Hi, On 06/11/15 18:46, Mike N wrote: I've seen this problem also - an area marked for construction, all roads bulldozed out, - the roads re-appear due to a TIGEROSM comparison test because they're in Bing. An area where all buildings are demolished and a single large entity takes its place, add a circle / rectangle with a NOTE around the area: buildings reappear because they're in Bing. If you see this happening regularly, try to find out who the responsible mapper is and contact them. If it turns out that this is not an accident but a systemic problem (e.g. due to the mapper employing some sort of TIGER-OSM comparison and systematically re-adding stuff) then the mapper should be encouraged to be more diligent, or if that is not possible, the mapper should probably stop making these types of edits altogether. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
On 6/11/2015 12:46 PM, Mike N wrote: I've seen this problem also - an area marked for construction, all roads bulldozed out, - the roads re-appear due to a TIGEROSM comparison test because they're in Bing. Speaking of which, one of those came back to life yesterday. I tried the README trick on an empty object this time. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
Maybe we should invite the MapBox paid mappers to join in this conversation? They are the major people doing this. -James Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 21:10:58 -0400 From: nice...@att.net To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers On 6/11/2015 12:46 PM, Mike N wrote: I've seen this problem also - an area marked for construction, all roads bulldozed out, - the roads re-appear due to a TIGEROSM comparison test because they're in Bing. Speaking of which, one of those came back to life yesterday. I tried the README trick on an empty object this time. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
Another useful tool might be to have a repository of local imagery servers that can automatically become available when in an appropriate area. For instance, I use the 2014 NAIP imagery via a WMS server in JOSM. It’s only 1m resolution, but it’s great for double checking that nothing has changed. At smaller zoom levels, that might actually be a preferable default to always using bing, and having the imagery change, combined with imagery dates, draws attention to the fact that things might not always be current. d. On Jun 11, 2015, at 07:54, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote: There is an open item in iD to display the date of the aerial imagery alongside the attribution message. We actually don’t get this from most tile providers, but we can get it from Bing in the response header. Would definitely welcome a pull request if someone wants to take a shot at implementing this. https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492 https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492 Thanks, Bryan On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Kam, Kristen krist...@telenav.com mailto:krist...@telenav.com wrote: We need to make it more easier to load up-to-date imagery to our OSM editing applications. And I think something easy as publicizing the date of the imagery collection would get folks to do a double take before using older imagery. Kristen Sent from OWA on Android From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:42:29 AM To: Talk Openstreetmap; Help for newbie mappers Subject: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware that aerial imagery may be several years out of date. yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing aerial imagery. i was able to locate my GPX tracks and put it back, but i still had to revisit the site to re-verify some connecting roads. i had even put a README tag on the roads warning that the imagery was out of date, but the armchair mapper didn't bother to, you know, read the README. i don't object to careful armchair mapping, i do it myself, but you need to keep in mind that the imagery available may a number of years old. i can name a number of highways in the Capital District of NY where the imagery is old and the highways have been realigned and/or reconfigured. this will be true in many places. if you see a mismatch, it would be a good idea to look at the history and try to contact the the mapper responsible for the mismatch first. thanks, richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
Such a thing exists and is here: https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index It is used by iD and Potlatch, with JOSM output available but not installed by default. I'm happy to help anyone add their imagery. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org wrote: Another useful tool might be to have a repository of local imagery servers that can automatically become available when in an appropriate area. For instance, I use the 2014 NAIP imagery via a WMS server in JOSM. It’s only 1m resolution, but it’s great for double checking that nothing has changed. At smaller zoom levels, that might actually be a preferable default to always using bing, and having the imagery change, combined with imagery dates, draws attention to the fact that things might not always be current. d. On Jun 11, 2015, at 07:54, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote: There is an open item in iD to display the date of the aerial imagery alongside the attribution message. We actually don’t get this from most tile providers, but we can get it from Bing in the response header. Would definitely welcome a pull request if someone wants to take a shot at implementing this. https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492 Thanks, Bryan On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Kam, Kristen krist...@telenav.com wrote: We need to make it more easier to load up-to-date imagery to our OSM editing applications. And I think something easy as publicizing the date of the imagery collection would get folks to do a double take before using older imagery. Kristen Sent from OWA on Android From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:42:29 AM To: Talk Openstreetmap; Help for newbie mappers Subject: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware that aerial imagery may be several years out of date. yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing aerial imagery. i was able to locate my GPX tracks and put it back, but i still had to revisit the site to re-verify some connecting roads. i had even put a README tag on the roads warning that the imagery was out of date, but the armchair mapper didn't bother to, you know, read the README. i don't object to careful armchair mapping, i do it myself, but you need to keep in mind that the imagery available may a number of years old. i can name a number of highways in the Capital District of NY where the imagery is old and the highways have been realigned and/or reconfigured. this will be true in many places. if you see a mismatch, it would be a good idea to look at the history and try to contact the the mapper responsible for the mismatch first. thanks, richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
On 6/11/15 12:46 PM, Mike N wrote: My current strategy is to leave the original objects, just remove all tagging except for a note about Bing imagery dated is out of date. i did this with a slip ramp from I-90 nearby that was removed when a roundabout was put in; i had removed the ramp, someone put it back in because bing, so i removed the tags and added a README note to the bare way. nobody's messed with it since. here's hoping it stays that way. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
Shouldn’t be too hard to add this: https://github.com/rjhale1971/NAIP_WMS https://github.com/rjhale1971/NAIP_WMS Unfortunately, the WMS server seems to be misbehaving right now. I sent a note to what I hope are the right people about that. d. On Jun 11, 2015, at 08:43, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Such a thing exists and is here: https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index It is used by iD and Potlatch, with JOSM output available but not installed by default. I'm happy to help anyone add their imagery. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org mailto:darr...@garnix.org wrote: Another useful tool might be to have a repository of local imagery servers that can automatically become available when in an appropriate area. For instance, I use the 2014 NAIP imagery via a WMS server in JOSM. It’s only 1m resolution, but it’s great for double checking that nothing has changed. At smaller zoom levels, that might actually be a preferable default to always using bing, and having the imagery change, combined with imagery dates, draws attention to the fact that things might not always be current. d. On Jun 11, 2015, at 07:54, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com mailto:br...@7thposition.com wrote: There is an open item in iD to display the date of the aerial imagery alongside the attribution message. We actually don’t get this from most tile providers, but we can get it from Bing in the response header. Would definitely welcome a pull request if someone wants to take a shot at implementing this. https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492 https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492 Thanks, Bryan On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Kam, Kristen krist...@telenav.com mailto:krist...@telenav.com wrote: We need to make it more easier to load up-to-date imagery to our OSM editing applications. And I think something easy as publicizing the date of the imagery collection would get folks to do a double take before using older imagery. Kristen Sent from OWA on Android From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:42:29 AM To: Talk Openstreetmap; Help for newbie mappers Subject: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware that aerial imagery may be several years out of date. yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing aerial imagery. i was able to locate my GPX tracks and put it back, but i still had to revisit the site to re-verify some connecting roads. i had even put a README tag on the roads warning that the imagery was out of date, but the armchair mapper didn't bother to, you know, read the README. i don't object to careful armchair mapping, i do it myself, but you need to keep in mind that the imagery available may a number of years old. i can name a number of highways in the Capital District of NY where the imagery is old and the highways have been realigned and/or reconfigured. this will be true in many places. if you see a mismatch, it would be a good idea to look at the history and try to contact the the mapper responsible for the mismatch first. thanks, richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
On 6/11/15 1:27 PM, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: Shouldn’t be too hard to add this: https://github.com/rjhale1971/NAIP_WMS Unfortunately, the WMS server seems to be misbehaving right now. I sent a note to what I hope are the right people about that. i had found Randy's page back when Darrell brought it up, and verified that 2013 NYS imagery was available from NAIP that clearly showed the road reconfiguration that's missing from Bing. so the NAIP stuff has been seen working recently. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
Yes, it has. I was using it not all that long ago. I’m sure it’s just a temporary outage. d. On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:59, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 6/11/15 1:27 PM, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: Shouldn’t be too hard to add this: https://github.com/rjhale1971/NAIP_WMS https://github.com/rjhale1971/NAIP_WMS Unfortunately, the WMS server seems to be misbehaving right now. I sent a note to what I hope are the right people about that. i had found Randy's page back when Darrell brought it up, and verified that 2013 NYS imagery was available from NAIP that clearly showed the road reconfiguration that's missing from Bing. so the NAIP stuff has been seen working recently. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
