Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails
There is definitely at least one segment where it's a sidewalk over by the slough near the airport (I used to ride it all the time to Vancouver). It's just for a block or two, but it's on the sidewalk. Looks like it's just tagged as a cycleway along the side of the road for now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.567406lon=-122.551772zoom=18 (take a look at it in Potlach to see the aerial). -Mele Sax-Barnett TriMet GIS Intern On 05/03/2011 05:39 PM, PJ Houser wrote: Sidewalks as separate ways. I am working on some multi-use paths that travel on sidewalks for some portions, like the I-205 corridor in Portland, Oregon. Mapping sidewalks as a separate way is now an approved practice, and I'd like to do this for the parts of the trail that become a sidewalk for awhile. However, the approved tagging is highway=footway, footway=sidewalk. The trails I'm working on are multi-use, thus they should be highway=path, so would I need to add path=sidewalk to indicate they are a sidewalk? Where is it a sidewalk? I could be wrong, but I swear I've been up and down this several times and can't recall a segment where it runs on the sidewalks. It's more like an access path to the trail. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4958719lon=-122.5673215zoom=25 -- PJ Houser Trimet GIS intern -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/attachments/20110512/1 412f2dd/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 20:16:04 -0700 From: Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails Message-ID: iqi7pp$9i9$1...@dough.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 05/12/2011 07:05 PM, PJ Houser wrote: It's more like an access path to the trail. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4958719lon=-122.5673215zoom=25 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4958719lon=-122.5673215zoom=25 Looks like a sidewalk for the adjacent park and ride driveway, intended for pedestrians only. I wouldn't give it a name, and I'd tag it as a footway. Also, the powell boulevard access, I noticed someone disconnected them from Powell, and gave it names that aren't. Names should be the name only, not a description. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 262 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/attachments/20110512/f 7c71f37/attachment-0001.pgp -- ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us End of Talk-us Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19 *** ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Sidewalks and trails
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 20:16:04 -0700 From: Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails Message-ID: iqi7pp$9i9$1...@dough.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 05/12/2011 07:05 PM, PJ Houser wrote: It's more like an access path to the trail. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4958719lon=-122.5673215zoom=25 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4958719lon=-122.5673215zoom=25 Looks like a sidewalk for the adjacent park and ride driveway, intended for pedestrians only. I wouldn't give it a name, and I'd tag it as a footway. Also, the powell boulevard access, I noticed someone disconnected them from Powell, and gave it names that aren't. Names should be the name only, not a description. If I remember right, the Powells access point was incorrect. It connects further down the road, like a zigzag, but it is connected to the road. However, I'll check on it again when I get a chance! Thanks for the heads up. As for the sidewalk thing, it is for the bikepath, but the naming looks weird on a renderer. Maybe today at the meet and greet, we can figure out the best way to go about it. Maybe no name... I know as a cyclist, sometimes I can't figure out how I'm supposed to get onto a multi-use path, so I personally like having access paths on there, routed from a road to the path. Will you be able to make it today? -- PJ Houser Trimet GIS intern, 503-962-5711 (office) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Sidewalks and trails
On 05/13/2011 09:48 AM, PJ Houser wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 20:16:04 -0700 From: Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails Message-ID: iqi7pp$9i9$1...@dough.gmane.org mailto:1...@dough.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 05/12/2011 07:05 PM, PJ Houser wrote: It's more like an access path to the trail. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4958719lon=-122.5673215zoom=25 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4958719lon=-122.5673215zoom=25 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4958719lon=-122.5673215zoom=25 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4958719lon=-122.5673215zoom=25 Looks like a sidewalk for the adjacent park and ride driveway, intended for pedestrians only. I wouldn't give it a name, and I'd tag it as a footway. Also, the powell boulevard access, I noticed someone disconnected them from Powell, and gave it names that aren't. Names should be the name only, not a description. If I remember right, the Powells access point was incorrect. It connects further down the road, like a zigzag, but it is connected to the road. However, I'll check on it again when I get a chance! Thanks for the heads up. I don't recall any barrier at the stop sign other than the lack of a ramp, and most (all?) people turning at Powell ignore that... Will you be able to make it today? I got roped into a trip down to Dallas with friends to go see movies at the drive-in tonight... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 21:53:17 -0700 From: Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails Message-ID: iqfp43$pm8$1...@dough.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 05/03/2011 05:39 PM, PJ Houser wrote: Sidewalks as separate ways. I am working on some multi-use paths that travel on sidewalks for some portions, like the I-205 corridor in Portland, Oregon. Mapping sidewalks as a separate way is now an approved practice, and I'd like to do this for the parts of the trail that become a sidewalk for awhile. However, the approved tagging is highway=footway, footway=sidewalk. The trails I'm working on are multi-use, thus they should be highway=path, so would I need to add path=sidewalk to indicate they are a sidewalk? Where is it a sidewalk? I could be wrong, but I swear I've been up and down this several times and can't recall a segment where it runs on the sidewalks. It's more like an access path to the trail. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4958719lon=-122.5673215zoom=25 -- PJ Houser Trimet GIS intern ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails
On 05/12/2011 07:05 PM, PJ Houser wrote: It's more like an access path to the trail. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4958719lon=-122.5673215zoom=25 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4958719lon=-122.5673215zoom=25 Looks like a sidewalk for the adjacent park and ride driveway, intended for pedestrians only. I wouldn't give it a name, and I'd tag it as a footway. Also, the powell boulevard access, I noticed someone disconnected them from Powell, and gave it names that aren't. Names should be the name only, not a description. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails
On 05/03/2011 05:39 PM, PJ Houser wrote: Sidewalks as separate ways. I am working on some multi-use paths that travel on sidewalks for some portions, like the I-205 corridor in Portland, Oregon. Mapping sidewalks as a separate way is now an approved practice, and I'd like to do this for the parts of the trail that become a sidewalk for awhile. However, the approved tagging is highway=footway, footway=sidewalk. The trails I'm working on are multi-use, thus they should be highway=path, so would I need to add path=sidewalk to indicate they are a sidewalk? Where is it a sidewalk? I could be wrong, but I swear I've been up and down this several times and can't recall a segment where it runs on the sidewalks. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] sidewalks and trails
Sidewalks as separate ways. I am working on some multi-use paths that travel on sidewalks for some portions, like the I-205 corridor in Portland, Oregon. Mapping sidewalks as a separate way is now an approved practice, and I'd like to do this for the parts of the trail that become a sidewalk for awhile. However, the approved tagging is highway=footway, footway=sidewalk. The trails I'm working on are multi-use, thus they should be highway=path, so would I need to add path=sidewalk to indicate they are a sidewalk? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sidewalk_as_separate_way -- PJ Houser Trimet GIS intern, 503-962-5711 (office) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails
This probably should belong on tagging, so I've cc'ed it there, also you could add to the talk page. That's a good question, and something I've thought about recently as well. I've really liked the footway=crossing tag, even more so than footway=sidewalk, so I've started using path=crossing as well. This of course opens the possibility of path=sidewalk, cycleway=sidewalk and cycleway=crossing, and who knows what else. I think sidewalk might be an unfortunate term, since what we're really talking about is a way/path that is associated with a roadway to provide an alternate path of travel for non-motor vehicles, usually pedestrians but could include cyclists as well. After using footway=sidewalk for a while now, I tend to see it as a temporary measure, in other words that once type=street relations are created for every street+sidewalk combination, we'll no longer need the tag. In that sense footway=sidewalk is more of a hint to data consumers and a guide for future contributors to fix the situation be creating a relation (perhaps assisted by a semi-automatic tool to generate street+sidewalk pairs). If you take this interpretation of things then path=sidewalk is perfectly fine, in spite of sidewalk being a bit of a misnomer. Regards, -Josh On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM, PJ Houser stephanie.jean.hou...@gmail.com wrote: Sidewalks as separate ways. I am working on some multi-use paths that travel on sidewalks for some portions, like the I-205 corridor in Portland, Oregon. Mapping sidewalks as a separate way is now an approved practice, and I'd like to do this for the parts of the trail that become a sidewalk for awhile. However, the approved tagging is highway=footway, footway=sidewalk. The trails I'm working on are multi-use, thus they should be highway=path, so would I need to add path=sidewalk to indicate they are a sidewalk? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sidewalk_as_separate_way -- PJ Houser Trimet GIS intern, 503-962-5711 (office) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM, PJ Houser stephanie.jean.hou...@gmail.com wrote: Sidewalks as separate ways. I am working on some multi-use paths that travel on sidewalks for some portions, like the I-205 corridor in Portland, Oregon. Mapping sidewalks as a separate way is now an approved practice, and I'd like to do this for the parts of the trail that become a sidewalk for awhile. However, the approved tagging is highway=footway, footway=sidewalk. The trails I'm working on are multi-use, thus they should be highway=path, so would I need to add path=sidewalk to indicate they are a sidewalk? Approved is an odd term in OSM. There's no editor support for it, no renderer support for it, etc. I'd suggest that if you have paths, they're not sidewalks, they're paths. And if you have sidewalks along roads, I should bring up my proposal for simple sidewalk tagging back on the tagging list. I already have editor support, and have been talking with the mapnik folks about ways to make renderers support it, as well as routers. The problem with doing sidewalks as separate ways is that unless you use a relation, you lose the road data, and there's no relation which is supported for this. That was never voted on or brought up in the proposal, which is why I thought it was so ill-conceived. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails
On 5/3/2011 8:39 PM, PJ Houser wrote: Sidewalks as separate ways. I am working on some multi-use paths that travel on sidewalks for some portions, like the I-205 corridor in Portland, Oregon. Mapping sidewalks as a separate way is now an approved practice, and I'd like to do this for the parts of the trail that become a sidewalk for awhile. However, the approved tagging is highway=footway, footway=sidewalk. The trails I'm working on are multi-use, thus they should be highway=path, so would I need to add path=sidewalk to indicate they are a sidewalk? If it's truly a sidewalk (rather than a sidepath) it should probably be highway=footway, with bicycle=yes (or bicycle=designated?) if bikes are allowed. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
