Re: [Talk-us] California GIS data is public domain?

2009-07-25 Thread Apollinaris Schoell

On Jul 25, 2009, at 9:10 AM, David Carmean wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 07:25:21AM -0700, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Which data do you have in mind? which data sources? is there anything
>> better available compared to http://atlas.ca.gov/download.html
>
> That looks to be a new version or another interface to CASIL, which
> I've used often.  A lot of that data are excerpts from federal data.
>

yes, a bit confusing to offer the same data at different portals ...


>> Let's try to align activities if possible. right now there is so much
>> garbage from older imports that any activity should be well planned.
>>
>> I was considering to import some data but still try to figure out  
>> what
>> data is useful and accurate. right now county borders and city  
>> borders
>
> I don't really have any plans for mass imports; I was mostly trying  
> to get
> a reading from the community. In general I'm just interested in small
> areas, nothing larger than, say, the greater San Francisco Bay Area.
> Nothing causing more conflicts than what I could easily resolve by
> hand using JOSM in a week or so.
>
>

nice, I am doing the same. that's why I try to figure out which  
datasets have reasonable quality.

also most imports are not documented in the wiki.
started a page to document local imports adding the links we have  
exchanged, please add other info, imports 
couldn't find andy info on the county, city border imports though.

>


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Re: [Talk-us] California GIS data is public domain?

2009-07-25 Thread David Carmean
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 07:25:21AM -0700, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:

[snip]

> Which data do you have in mind? which data sources? is there anything  
> better available compared to http://atlas.ca.gov/download.html

That looks to be a new version or another interface to CASIL, which 
I've used often.  A lot of that data are excerpts from federal data.

> Let's try to align activities if possible. right now there is so much  
> garbage from older imports that any activity should be well planned.
> 
> I was considering to import some data but still try to figure out what  
> data is useful and accurate. right now county borders and city borders  

I don't really have any plans for mass imports; I was mostly trying to get 
a reading from the community. In general I'm just interested in small 
areas, nothing larger than, say, the greater San Francisco Bay Area.  
Nothing causing more conflicts than what I could easily resolve by 
hand using JOSM in a week or so.




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Re: [Talk-us] California GIS data is public domain?

2009-07-25 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
In general, information presented on this web site, unless otherwise  
indicated, is considered in the public domain. It may be distributed  
or copied as permitted by law. However, the State does make use of  
copyrighted data (e.g., photographs) which may require additional  
permissions prior to your use.
info is form here
http://www.ca.gov/use.html#ownership


Which data do you have in mind? which data sources? is there anything  
better available compared to http://atlas.ca.gov/download.html
Let's try to align activities if possible. right now there is so much  
garbage from older imports that any activity should be well planned.

I was considering to import some data but still try to figure out what  
data is useful and accurate. right now county borders and city borders  
don't align in osm because they are from different mport sources. the  
county borders from http://atlas.ca.gov/download.html  don't match  
either of them.
the map rendering right now is just ugly at high zoom levels like here
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.478&lon=-122.08147&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF
tiger city boundaries are definitely very inaccurate. compared them to  
yahoo and the USGS topo.

apo

On Jul 24, 2009, at 9:26 PM, David Carmean wrote:

>
> [ OK, I see that this was posted to the list back in February, but I  
> don't find
> any further discussion about it... is there a way to search just the  
> legal-talk archive? ]
>
> Just found this article about an appeals-court decision on the Santa  
> Clara County
> GIS brouhaha:
>
>http://gis.lacounty.gov/eGIS/?p=696
>
> In particular, the analysis of item III of the decision seems to  
> indicate that
> the court believes that government-produced data cannot be  
> copyrighted:
>
>III. A. There is no statutory basis either for copyrighting the  
> GIS basemap or for
>conditioning its release on a licensing agreement.
>
> The decision can be found here:
>
>http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/H031658.PDF
>
> The question is: has the Foundation considered this?  Can we begin  
> to import California
> GIS data? :)
>
>
> -- 
> Dave C, 2nd St.
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