Re: [Talk-us] Current status with highway shields?
Okay, but isn't the ultimate goal of this to get the shields on the map, for the whole world to see? I mean, if I was the one doing this, I wouldn't consider this a finished project until it was on the Standard (Mapnik) layer on openstreetmap.org, integrated into the Carto stylesheet. To be honest, I really hate not seeing the shields on osm.org, especially considering that the tiles for the shield renderings (and even the bl.ocks.org site that you mentioned) take so long to load compared to osm.org. This is why I really want to see you guys get it on the main map. I'm sure Andy Allan would be more than willing to help you guys with this; I mean, he ported the *whole* old XML stylesheet to the new CartoCSS format. Surely he can help you do the same with the code for the shields. You should talk to him about this. I commend you guys on coming this far on the shield project, just as much as I commend Andy Allan for making the Mapnik stylesheet 10 gazillion times easier to work with. I really can't wait to see them on the main map. The current shields look inferior to the real ones that you guys made. -Compdude On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: The tiles on the OSM-US server are up and running. The preview was on Phil's home server that had limited bandwidth. A better UI to the tile layer can be found here with standard map controls and a simple search feature to jump to locations: http://bl.ocks.org/ToeBee/raw/6119134/ I have talked to Ian about getting that HTML up at a more memorable URL on openstreetmap.us and maybe linking to it somewhere on the site. I'll bug him about it again. No progress has been made on porting the style to carto. I might be able to fix the bannered routes. I know there are some New York county issues I need to look at as well. Toby On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: (sorry if this makes it twice - I tried posting from my other account but got flak from Outlook) Yes that would be really interesting to push forward. To my mind this should be a default tile layer on osm.us (not that we have a slippy map on there today at all – but we should). The layer still works -- http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#13/40.7292/-111.8467 (pro tip: shift double click to zoom out…) I don't remember very clearly but I think my main concern is that this operates on a pre-carto Mapnik stylesheet – which would make it difficult to keep in sync with style tweaks to osm.org – and more difficult to maintain in general. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: +1 In a conversation with a King County (Washington) employee, we discussed his project to create tiles from OSM to use as basemaps for King County and hopefully others. While he doesn't need our tile server, the shields would really enhance the basemaps. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was just wondering what's been going on with rendering the highway shields. I haven't heard anything about it for a while. The last time anything was mentioned about this was in late-July when it was announced that the tiles were put up on the OSM-US server--and that was only meant to be a preview. I know that the code has to be changed to work with the new Carto stylesheet, but I didn't expect that to take so long. Sorry if I sound impatient, but I've been waiting patiently for the past two months. Also, I have noticed that the shields for bannered WA State routes (Spur, Alternate) are not rendering. I emailed Phil Gold (creator of the awesome shield rendering) about this almost a month ago, but he never responded so this hasn't been fixed. Anyway, I'd appreciate it if this can get addressed. Thanks for coming up with the whole highway shield rendering. I really appreciate the effort, because the shields are a 154% improvement over the current way of displaying highway numbers. I appreciate your efforts on getting this whole project completed. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer, but if there's anything I can help with, let me know. All WA State Hwys. are now ready for shields (that is, they all have relations), but are the shields ready for display on the slippy map? I hope they will be soon. Thanks, Compdude ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Talk-us] Current status with highway shields?
Country or region specific styles will have a hard time making it to the main osm.org layer I have a feeling, just because it makes the stylesheet more complex and there's only so many eyes on it. It would add a bunch of assets to the site that would only be used for U.S. rendering - and then where do you draw the line? Also, the shields code would need to go through the much more rigorous code review that osm.org pull requests typically are subjected to. That said, if you want to help make it happen and start that discussion, please do. I would say giving the shields a nice presence on osm.us would be an achievable shorter term goal. Having a map on osm.us has been a wish of mine and this would be an ideal candidate! Martijn On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, but isn't the ultimate goal of this to get the shields on the map, for the whole world to see? I mean, if I was the one doing this, I wouldn't consider this a finished project until it was on the Standard (Mapnik) layer on openstreetmap.org, integrated into the Carto stylesheet. To be honest, I really hate not seeing the shields on osm.org, especially considering that the tiles for the shield renderings (and even the bl.ocks.org site that you mentioned) take so long to load compared to osm.org. This is why I really want to see you guys get it on the main map. I'm sure Andy Allan would be more than willing to help you guys with this; I mean, he ported the whole old XML stylesheet to the new CartoCSS format. Surely he can help you do the same with the code for the shields. You should talk to him about this. I commend you guys on coming this far on the shield project, just as much as I commend Andy Allan for making the Mapnik stylesheet 10 gazillion times easier to work with. I really can't wait to see them on the main map. The current shields look inferior to the real ones that you guys made. -Compdude On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: The tiles on the OSM-US server are up and running. The preview was on Phil's home server that had limited bandwidth. A better UI to the tile layer can be found here with standard map controls and a simple search feature to jump to locations: http://bl.ocks.org/ToeBee/raw/6119134/ I have talked to Ian about getting that HTML up at a more memorable URL on openstreetmap.us and maybe linking to it somewhere on the site. I'll bug him about it again. No progress has been made on porting the style to carto. I might be able to fix the bannered routes. I know there are some New York county issues I need to look at as well. Toby On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: (sorry if this makes it twice - I tried posting from my other account but got flak from Outlook) Yes that would be really interesting to push forward. To my mind this should be a default tile layer on osm.us (not that we have a slippy map on there today at all – but we should). The layer still works -- http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#13/40.7292/-111.8467 (pro tip: shift double click to zoom out…) I don't remember very clearly but I think my main concern is that this operates on a pre-carto Mapnik stylesheet – which would make it difficult to keep in sync with style tweaks to osm.org – and more difficult to maintain in general. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: +1 In a conversation with a King County (Washington) employee, we discussed his project to create tiles from OSM to use as basemaps for King County and hopefully others. While he doesn't need our tile server, the shields would really enhance the basemaps. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was just wondering what's been going on with rendering the highway shields. I haven't heard anything about it for a while. The last time anything was mentioned about this was in late-July when it was announced that the tiles were put up on the OSM-US server--and that was only meant to be a preview. I know that the code has to be changed to work with the new Carto stylesheet, but I didn't expect that to take so long. Sorry if I sound impatient, but I've been waiting patiently for the past two months. Also, I have noticed that the shields for bannered WA State routes (Spur, Alternate) are not rendering. I emailed Phil Gold (creator of the awesome shield rendering) about this almost a month ago, but he never responded so this hasn't been fixed. Anyway, I'd appreciate it if this can get addressed. Thanks for coming up with the whole highway shield rendering. I really appreciate the effort, because the shields are a 154% improvement over the current way of displaying highway numbers. I appreciate your efforts on getting this whole project completed.
Re: [Talk-us] Current status with highway shields?
* Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.com [2013-10-09 19:54 -0700]: I emailed Phil Gold (creator of the awesome shield rendering) about this almost a month ago, but he never responded so this hasn't been fixed. Er, sorry about that. I've been extremely busy for about the past two months, and probably won't really have time to dedicate to the shields for at least another month or two. I did start experimenting with carto a while back, so when I have time for the shields again, that'll be a high priority item since, based on my experience so far, I don't think it'll be too hard to work in to the new stylesheet. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Current status with highway shields?
I don't think the extra complexity of the shields slows down the time it takes to render them. But the tiles themselves on the shield map take way longer to load than on osm.org (which is why I really want the shields on the main OSM website), which I guess is because of a slower tileserver. Also, would it be possible to render the shields on ferry routes? In the state of WA, many of the ferry routes are legally part of the highway system and as such, I've added them to the route relations. If this isn't possible, that's okay. I was just wondering. I appreciate your efforts in all this. Best luck in getting all the county highway shields to render; be glad you won't have any from my corner of this great nation! On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.com [2013-10-10 09:22 -0700]: Okay, thanks for letting me know. So, your ultimate plan *is* to get the highway shields showing up on osm.org? Well, we'll have to see. The shield rendering adds a fair bit of additional complexity to the overall rendering process, and I don't know if the osm.org admins would be willing to commit to maintaining the additional complexity. It's possible that they'd prefer to leave it on openstreetmap.us, since the admins there (Ian Dees, mostly) *are* willing to manage the extra stuff. I have a lot more I want to do with the rendering, so its possible I may be able to get it into a state the is more easily integrated into various rendering stacks. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Current status with highway shields?
+1 In a conversation with a King County (Washington) employee, we discussed his project to create tiles from OSM to use as basemaps for King County and hopefully others. While he doesn't need our tile server, the shields would really enhance the basemaps. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was just wondering what's been going on with rendering the highway shields. I haven't heard anything about it for a while. The last time anything was mentioned about this was in late-July when it was announced that the tiles were put up on the OSM-US server--and that was only meant to be a preview. I know that the code has to be changed to work with the new Carto stylesheet, but I didn't expect that to take so long. Sorry if I sound impatient, but I've been waiting patiently for the past two months. Also, I have noticed that the shields for bannered WA State routes (Spur, Alternate) are not rendering. I emailed Phil Gold (creator of the awesome shield rendering) about this almost a month ago, but he never responded so this hasn't been fixed. Anyway, I'd appreciate it if this can get addressed. Thanks for coming up with the whole highway shield rendering. I really appreciate the effort, because the shields are a 154% improvement over the current way of displaying highway numbers. I appreciate your efforts on getting this whole project completed. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer, but if there's anything I can help with, let me know. All WA State Hwys. are now ready for shields (that is, they all have relations), but are the shields ready for display on the slippy map? I hope they will be soon. Thanks, Compdude ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Current status with highway shields?
(sorry if this makes it twice - I tried posting from my other account but got flak from Outlook) Yes that would be really interesting to push forward. To my mind this should be a default tile layer on osm.us (not that we have a slippy map on there today at all – but we should). The layer still works -- http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#13/40.7292/-111.8467 (pro tip: shift double click to zoom out…) I don't remember very clearly but I think my main concern is that this operates on a pre-carto Mapnik stylesheet – which would make it difficult to keep in sync with style tweaks to osm.org – and more difficult to maintain in general. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: +1 In a conversation with a King County (Washington) employee, we discussed his project to create tiles from OSM to use as basemaps for King County and hopefully others. While he doesn't need our tile server, the shields would really enhance the basemaps. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was just wondering what's been going on with rendering the highway shields. I haven't heard anything about it for a while. The last time anything was mentioned about this was in late-July when it was announced that the tiles were put up on the OSM-US server--and that was only meant to be a preview. I know that the code has to be changed to work with the new Carto stylesheet, but I didn't expect that to take so long. Sorry if I sound impatient, but I've been waiting patiently for the past two months. Also, I have noticed that the shields for bannered WA State routes (Spur, Alternate) are not rendering. I emailed Phil Gold (creator of the awesome shield rendering) about this almost a month ago, but he never responded so this hasn't been fixed. Anyway, I'd appreciate it if this can get addressed. Thanks for coming up with the whole highway shield rendering. I really appreciate the effort, because the shields are a 154% improvement over the current way of displaying highway numbers. I appreciate your efforts on getting this whole project completed. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer, but if there's anything I can help with, let me know. All WA State Hwys. are now ready for shields (that is, they all have relations), but are the shields ready for display on the slippy map? I hope they will be soon. Thanks, Compdude ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Current status with highway shields?
The tiles on the OSM-US server are up and running. The preview was on Phil's home server that had limited bandwidth. A better UI to the tile layer can be found here with standard map controls and a simple search feature to jump to locations: http://bl.ocks.org/ToeBee/raw/6119134/ I have talked to Ian about getting that HTML up at a more memorable URL on openstreetmap.us and maybe linking to it somewhere on the site. I'll bug him about it again. No progress has been made on porting the style to carto. I might be able to fix the bannered routes. I know there are some New York county issues I need to look at as well. Toby On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: (sorry if this makes it twice - I tried posting from my other account but got flak from Outlook) Yes that would be really interesting to push forward. To my mind this should be a default tile layer on osm.us (not that we have a slippy map on there today at all – but we should). The layer still works -- http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#13/40.7292/-111.8467 (pro tip: shift double click to zoom out…) I don't remember very clearly but I think my main concern is that this operates on a pre-carto Mapnik stylesheet – which would make it difficult to keep in sync with style tweaks to osm.org – and more difficult to maintain in general. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: +1 In a conversation with a King County (Washington) employee, we discussed his project to create tiles from OSM to use as basemaps for King County and hopefully others. While he doesn't need our tile server, the shields would really enhance the basemaps. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Evin Fairchild evindf...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was just wondering what's been going on with rendering the highway shields. I haven't heard anything about it for a while. The last time anything was mentioned about this was in late-July when it was announced that the tiles were put up on the OSM-US server--and that was only meant to be a preview. I know that the code has to be changed to work with the new Carto stylesheet, but I didn't expect that to take so long. Sorry if I sound impatient, but I've been waiting patiently for the past two months. Also, I have noticed that the shields for bannered WA State routes (Spur, Alternate) are not rendering. I emailed Phil Gold (creator of the awesome shield rendering) about this almost a month ago, but he never responded so this hasn't been fixed. Anyway, I'd appreciate it if this can get addressed. Thanks for coming up with the whole highway shield rendering. I really appreciate the effort, because the shields are a 154% improvement over the current way of displaying highway numbers. I appreciate your efforts on getting this whole project completed. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer, but if there's anything I can help with, let me know. All WA State Hwys. are now ready for shields (that is, they all have relations), but are the shields ready for display on the slippy map? I hope they will be soon. Thanks, Compdude ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Martijn van Exel http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ http://openstreetmap.us/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
