Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
[off-list] At 2012-01-30 08:48, Martijn van Exel wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: I have just saved one street in L.A. (Loosmore Street) and hereby award myself one SLAP (Save L.A. Point). [...] Hee, I'd love to earn myself some SLAP points! I did reach out to user blars (who had been contacted before but hasn't decided as yet) and will wait for his response before I start remapping the area I was looking at (around Glendale I believe). I gave it my best job of persuasion, and even managed to get a reply with which I attempted to build a bridge between he and the OSMF, but ultimately, it failed. Even if he accepted now (which is extremely unlikely), it's too late once the redaction happens, right? -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
Uh, ignore this. I didn't mean it to go to the list, and, of course, didn't realize it was 5 months old. At 2012-07-19 12:58, Alan Mintz wrote: [off-list] At 2012-01-30 08:48, Martijn van Exel wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: I have just saved one street in L.A. (Loosmore Street) and hereby award myself one SLAP (Save L.A. Point). [...] Hee, I'd love to earn myself some SLAP points! I did reach out to user blars (who had been contacted before but hasn't decided as yet) and will wait for his response before I start remapping the area I was looking at (around Glendale I believe). I gave it my best job of persuasion, and even managed to get a reply with which I attempted to build a bridge between he and the OSMF, but ultimately, it failed. Even if he accepted now (which is extremely unlikely), it's too late once the redaction happens, right? -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
So I did some looking at LA in the OSM Inspector WTFE view, and I don't see how we're going to keep the OSMF from totally wrecking it on April Fools. So go for it. Just kill the whole damn thing. This wouldn't have happened, by the way, if the TIGER import had been more forceful. But no, we had to preserve the work of the early mappers whose work is now going to be deleted, along with anything built on it. I'm still waiting for someone with power to realize what a horrible idea this whole thing is. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
martjin wrote I'd say knowing what they look like + Bing is sufficient if the road markings are actually there (not only the lane separator linear markings - that's too ambiguous). Ok - I have remapped Cypress Avenue and the intersection at Verdugo Road using only Bing and TIGER. I have added a few traffic signals and one crossing and have inferred two turn restrictions from Bing imagery of pavement markings. However I have one problem. Just North of the San Fernando - Verdugo intersection is a small oneway connection road from Cypress Avenue/Eagle Rock Boulevard. Previously in OSM it was tagged as Part of Eagle Rock Boulevard and Google Street View seems to confirm this. However The TIGER 2011 Josm layer does not have this named or maybe it is not rendering. Using MARPLOT with TIGER 2010 data I see it named as part of San Fernando Road which is what I have had to put into OSM. Can anyone tell me if TIGER 2011 has this named or does any one have personal knowledge of the correct name. If not then I will try to organise someone in L.A. to take a run past that intersection. Please feel free to tell me if I've messed up anything here or if you think that I've infringed anyones Copyright. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
I have just saved one street in L.A. (Loosmore Street) and hereby award myself one SLAP (Save L.A. Point). I mapped the geometry from Bing and the tags from TIGER 2011 and set the source tag to reflect this. I didn't reuse any nodes. Anyone can earn themselves a SLAP by remapping any road close to (I.E intersecting or next to) a previously SLAPped road. Be carefull with intersecting road Cypress Avenue, we can't recover the cycleway tag unless you yourself have personal knowledge of this. SLAP points can be redeemed for beer next time I'm in L.A, this could be a year or two. The redemption rate wil be determined by me as will be the type of beer (I'm leaning toward Fat Tyre or Moose Drool or maybe an Australian beer). ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: I have just saved one street in L.A. (Loosmore Street) and hereby award myself one SLAP (Save L.A. Point). [...] Hee, I'd love to earn myself some SLAP points! I did reach out to user blars (who had been contacted before but hasn't decided as yet) and will wait for his response before I start remapping the area I was looking at (around Glendale I believe). -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: [..] [1] Erm.. That's https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Utah -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:27:56PM +0100, Martijn van Exel wrote: Fort Wayne, IN (also campus) I can start working on Ft Wayne. I'm already working around Chicago Milwaukee, and was going to hit Grand Rapids, MI next, so this is in my general blast zone. Of course, you can also still try to contact mappers who haven't accepted (yet), but time is short and there's a lot to be done if we want to retain a decent map of these areas after Apr 1. I have a whopping 5% response rate thus far, contacting mappers in and around Chicago. There's one flat-out decliner that I'm working to map around, and a lot of little cleanup in general. A remap-a-thon is called for, perhaps? Probably. I'd propose everyone on list drop all their other projects and remap like mad badgers for the next 8 weeks. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgp37YaQNQ7gH.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff zoerh...@sdf.org wrote: I have a whopping 5% response rate thus far, contacting mappers in and around Chicago. Don't be discouraged by that 5%. Thanks for making that effort. I feel like the Big Win is when a long-out-of-contact mapper starts mapping again. :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
Nathan wrote On 1/30/2012 7:05 AM, Nick Hocking wrote: Be carefull with intersecting road Cypress Avenue, we can't recover the cycleway tag unless you yourself have personal knowledge of this. The bike lane markings can (barely) be seen on Bing aerials. Thanks for that Nathan, Google street view clearly shows these markings as Bike Lane with an arrow pointing ahead. In all honesty I can't absolutely read this with Bing aerials but knowing what these markings look like and their position at the intersection, the Bing marking couldn't really be anything else, (or could they?) Corner of Alice Street is about the clearest one I can find. So what is the consensus, is the Bing imagery adequete for an armchair mapper to claim the cycle lane or could Google claim that I cheated. Nick ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Nathan wrote On 1/30/2012 7:05 AM, Nick Hocking wrote: Be carefull with intersecting road Cypress Avenue, we can't recover the cycleway tag unless you yourself have personal knowledge of this. The bike lane markings can (barely) be seen on Bing aerials. Thanks for that Nathan, Google street view clearly shows these markings as Bike Lane with an arrow pointing ahead. In all honesty I can't absolutely read this with Bing aerials but knowing what these markings look like and their position at the intersection, the Bing marking couldn't really be anything else, (or could they?) Corner of Alice Street is about the clearest one I can find. So what is the consensus, is the Bing imagery adequete for an armchair mapper to claim the cycle lane or could Google claim that I cheated. I'd say knowing what they look like + Bing is sufficient if the road markings are actually there (not only the lane separator linear markings - that's too ambiguous). What I'm not sure of is whether bike lane road markings are the same across the US (ie a stylized bicycle + rider with an arrow point in the direction of bike traffic flow on top). -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Nathan wrote On 1/30/2012 7:05 AM, Nick Hocking wrote: Be carefull with intersecting road Cypress Avenue, we can't recover the cycleway tag unless you yourself have personal knowledge of this. The bike lane markings can (barely) be seen on Bing aerials. Thanks for that Nathan, Google street view clearly shows these markings as Bike Lane with an arrow pointing ahead. In all honesty I can't absolutely read this with Bing aerials but knowing what these markings look like and their position at the intersection, the Bing marking couldn't really be anything else, (or could they?) Corner of Alice Street is about the clearest one I can find. So what is the consensus, is the Bing imagery adequete for an armchair mapper to claim the cycle lane or could Google claim that I cheated. I'd say knowing what they look like + Bing is sufficient if the road markings are actually there (not only the lane separator linear markings - that's too ambiguous). What I'm not sure of is whether bike lane road markings are the same across the US (ie a stylized bicycle + rider with an arrow point in the direction of bike traffic flow on top). I can't say whether they are the same all over the USA, but what you described matches what is used here in Tennessee. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Kristian M Zoerhoff zoerh...@sdf.org wrote: I have a whopping 5% response rate thus far, contacting mappers in and around Chicago. Don't be discouraged by that 5%. Thanks for making that effort. I feel like the Big Win is when a long-out-of-contact mapper starts mapping again. :-) 5% is awesome. Is there a list of the top non-responding editors available, any any serious effort to reach out by more reliable means than email (e.g. postcards, telephone, death records, pubic records searches)? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
On 1/29/2012 5:27 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: New Haven CT, http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=13lat=41.31231lon=-72.92162layers=00B Much of the taint here (though probably not much on the cleanmap, which only deals with newly-created ways) comes from ungood user Brian Tang adding (IMO garbage) rtc_rate tags to TIGER ways so a site called ride the city could render maps based on their opinion of how bicycle-friendly a street is. If there are no objections, I will remove these, and then we can see how it looks on OSM Inspector in a day or two. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] LA and other license changeover challenged areas.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 03:59:15PM -0800, Bryce2 Nesbitt wrote: pubic records searches)? Unless you work for the TSA, I sincerely hope you meant public records searches :-) If you do work for the TSA, carry on. -- Kristian M Zoerhoff pgp5da2YaurkQ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
