Re: [Talk-us] US Online Mapping Parties
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 09:42 -0700, Dave Hansen wrote: > On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 09:37 -0700, Barry Parr wrote: > > > > Since most of the US users are so spred out, maybe we can > > organize some online mapping parties and knock out some large > > areas that are in need of fixing up. what ya think? > > Were you thinking of doing this via irc? Or did you have some other > ideas for how to collaborate? Maybe it's the corporate drone in me, but > I wonder how well a conference call would work. Everyone could ask > questions and perhaps learn something. I've noticed that some people > are much more talkative on the phone than they might be on IRC or > chatting otherwise. Given the state of telecom in the pacific northwest (good luck finding a voice line that works reliably in the rain or a wireless service that's affordable if you use it), if we're going to go the conference call route, I suggest perhaps meeting at the Open Source Infohub in Second Life's Ama Gi instead, as it has voice and doesn't cost, plus we can use visual aids. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Online Mapping Parties
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Tyler wrote: > You can check out the NAIP imagery to see if there're more recent data in > your area > http://www.fsa.usda.gov/Internet/FSA_File/naip03-08cov_maps.pdf which is > downloadable at http://datagateway.nrcs.usda.gov/GatewayHome.html it would > be pretty easy to setup a WMS server for use in JOSM and Merkaartor. > The 1m imagery in this area (I think it's <1m, personally) is superior to > the available yahoo imagery, though it is somewhat halo-ey Thanks for the pointer to the NAIP images... The GIS department at ISU has the NAIP images for Iowa up on a WMS server[1] but I've never been able to access it... maybe I never tried hard enough or maybe their WMS server is a little different and I don't know what the right magic incantation is... Anyway, I've spent some time recently to download some of the NAIP images and set up a test WMS server using the UofM mapserver software. After a few trials and tribulations, I've got something working that I can use. The georeferencing of the NAIP images seems to be better than the Yahoo images from what I can tell and the NAIP images provide a consistently high resolution for all of the areas that I've looked at. The best of the Yahoo images look better than the NAIP images, but Yahoo only covers major metro areas with high resolution data. With the NAIP images I've finally been able to do some armchair mapping of my hometown, which only had low-res imagery available from Yahoo. It's also extremely nice to have images that are much more recent than Yahoo offers... Anyhoo... The server that's running my WMS is a virtual guest borrowed from work, so it doesn't have a lot of oomph and I'll have to turn it off eventually. That said, if we can agree on an area to map for our online mapping party I'll load the appropriate NAIP images onto the server and share the URL to the server with those interested in doing some mapping. [1] http://ortho.gis.iastate.edu/tools.html -- Jeff Ollie ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Online Mapping Parties
On Jul 8, 2009, at 7:08 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Nicholas > Vetrovec wrote: >> Maybe we should start a wiki for organizing and planning >> the online party. > > Is there somewhere that we can get higher resolution and more recent > aerial photography? For stuff that's near me you can't do a whole lot > with the Yahoo imagery unless you have some familiarity with the > area... This page gives instructions on how to use the USGS 1 meter per pixel aerial photos provided by Terraservice with JOSM: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Beej71#Terraserver_Aerial_Photos_with_the_JOSM_WMS_Plugin If you're not using JOSM because it seems too hard, try watching my tutorial videos: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM#First_Steps -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Online Mapping Parties
Amen, I just spent the last 3 hours cleaning up the butchery TIGER made of the one-ways and ramp connections along I-75 from Exit 4 in TN to exit 350 in GA. I haven't even *started* to feed in the speed limit changes along the side-roads, which was the whole reason I started working on OSM (one too many Navteq "fastest" routes putting me on a secondary street when there's a lovely highway paralleling it). Chris On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Peter Miller wrote: > So... one could for example create a 'cake' for an area on the wiki and then > people could claim sections for the cake for tiger fix-up > and water etc. > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Online Mapping Parties
On 9 Jul 2009, at 02:30, Nicholas Vetrovec wrote: >I'm not sure what an online mapping party would look like. I'm picturing a concerted effort to knock off a map feature where mappers >could share their expertise and work on the same feature in multiple places. >Barry Parr >Were you thinking of doing this via irc? Or did you have some other >ideas for how to collaborate? >Dave IRC of voice chat would be good for comunication during the party. We would pick a city, town, area to work on as one mostly using the arial imagery to map out features and realign roads ect.. but as a larger group, we can knock out large areas at once. I wanted to start out by discussing things we can work on as a group, areas that need a lot of fixing up, stuff that can be easily worked on in an olnile environment. Maybe we should start a wiki for organizing and planning the online party. A virtual mapping party could be as simple as agreeing to focus effort on a particular area over a period of time, create a wiki with a task list and a 'cake' and a way for people to claim tasks and then advertise it on talk-us and also on talk. For a while I would do work on water features in the area of a US mapping party in the week before the event because I had been frustrated and mystified about how to get water, islands and rivers to work in other places for over a year on both osmarender and mapnik. When I cracked it I decided to take that role more generally. I did work on water in Portland, Pittsburgh, Washington and Tampa for example. I also did stuff around New Orleans and Houston. So... one could for example create a 'cake' for an area on the wiki and then people could claim sections for the cake for tiger fix-up and water etc. No necessity for IRC or conference calls, just the sense of community created by working together for a bigger goal. There could be a mentoring focus as well, but it should allow people in many time- zones to participate - and do remember to Europe based arm-chair mappers who have completed their home areas! One could be pretty ambitious, such as covering all interstate tiger fixup for a state and also major rivers. The idea of use these mapping parties in conjunction with work on the ground seems very powerful and I would suggest that you always create arm-chair and time-zone independent tasks in association with physical mapping parties to help build a wider community around the place. Possibly we could have a 'twinning' program where towns in different countries 'twin' to share effort and swapping tagging techniques. Twinning would be a great way of stopping tagging diverging around the world and learning from other places. Regards, Peter Miller (PeterIto) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Online Mapping Parties
You can check out the NAIP imagery to see if there're more recent data in your area http://www.fsa.usda.gov/Internet/FSA_File/naip03-08cov_maps.pdf which is downloadable at http://datagateway.nrcs.usda.gov/GatewayHome.html it would be pretty easy to setup a WMS server for use in JOSM and Merkaartor. The 1m imagery in this area (I think it's <1m, personally) is superior to the available yahoo imagery, though it is somewhat halo-ey -Tyler. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Nicholas Vetrovec > wrote: > > Maybe we should start a wiki for organizing and planning > > the online party. > > Is there somewhere that we can get higher resolution and more recent > aerial photography? For stuff that's near me you can't do a whole lot > with the Yahoo imagery unless you have some familiarity with the > area... We may be planning a visit to the four corners area next > year, so it'd be nice to have some improved maps for that area (hint > hint :)). > > -- > Jeff Ollie > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Online Mapping Parties
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Nicholas Vetrovec wrote: > Maybe we should start a wiki for organizing and planning > the online party. Is there somewhere that we can get higher resolution and more recent aerial photography? For stuff that's near me you can't do a whole lot with the Yahoo imagery unless you have some familiarity with the area... We may be planning a visit to the four corners area next year, so it'd be nice to have some improved maps for that area (hint hint :)). -- Jeff Ollie ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Online Mapping Parties
>I'm not sure what an online mapping party would look like. I'm picturing a >concerted effort to knock off a map feature where mappers >could share their expertise and work on the same feature in multiple places. >Barry Parr >Were you thinking of doing this via irc? Or did you have some other >ideas for how to collaborate? >Dave IRC of voice chat would be good for comunication during the party. We would pick a city, town, area to work on as one mostly using the arial imagery to map out features and realign roads ect.. but as a larger group, we can knock out large areas at once. I wanted to start out by discussing things we can work on as a group, areas that need a lot of fixing up, stuff that can be easily worked on in an olnile environment. Maybe we should start a wiki for organizing and planning the online party.___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Online Mapping Parties
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 09:37 -0700, Barry Parr wrote: > > Since most of the US users are so spred out, maybe we can > organize some online mapping parties and knock out some large > areas that are in need of fixing up. what ya think? Were you thinking of doing this via irc? Or did you have some other ideas for how to collaborate? Maybe it's the corporate drone in me, but I wonder how well a conference call would work. Everyone could ask questions and perhaps learn something. I've noticed that some people are much more talkative on the phone than they might be on IRC or chatting otherwise. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Online Mapping Parties
This is an interesting idea. I'm not sure what an online mapping party would look like. I'm picturing a concerted effort to knock off a map feature where mappers could share their expertise and work on the same feature in multiple places. The earlier discussion of national parks is an example. I'm surrounded by the Golden Gate National Recreation Area and would like to tackle it, but I'm not ready to do it without support. But I'm just a beginning mapper and I'm interested in hearing what more experienced hands think about this. bp -- Barry Parr http://coastsider.com http://mediasavvy.com http://twitter.com/barryparr 650.523.4929 - 2009/7/7 Nicholas Vetrovec > > Since most of the US users are so spred out, maybe we can organize some > online mapping parties and knock out some large areas that are in need of > fixing up. what ya think? > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
