Re: [Talk-us] Willoughby, Ohio

[Paul Johnson]

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:32 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> I've likely done what we can do at this point, as said some on the ground
> information could improve the situation a bit, but I would not suggest a
> non-local mapper driving there just because of that.
>
>
But, wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing for someone who is already in the
eastern Cleveland suburbs to wander up that way and work out a more
accurate picture of the ground truth or pull a OpenStreetCam run through
there if possible.
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Re: [Talk-us] Willoughby, Ohio

[Will Skora]

Hi,

To those handling the request to LWG and DWG and those who've mapped in
Willoughby as a result of the email thread, thank you.
Even after reading the emails, I'm still a little unsure what was requested
to LWG and DWG and what local mappers can specifically fulfill this
specific request.

I'm probably the more prolific mappers in the Cleveland area (
http://hdyc.neis-one.org/?skorasaurus) although I spend most of my time
(and thus most of my time mapping) within the city of Cleveland itself and
Willoughby is about a 30-40 minute drive (one-way) from me, and there's
still so much to map that's closer to me. I think I've gone (and mapped)
there maybe once or twice and I won't have time in the near future to
survey in person.

However, there are 3-4 long-time mappers who sporadically map on the
eastern suburbs closer to there, and likely don't subscribe to the talk-us
list (if you are reading this, Hi! ). If there's a specific and attainable
goal for them to survey, I'm happy to relay the request to them.

Regards,
Will in Cleveland
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Re: [Talk-us] Willoughby, Ohio

[Ian Dees]

Got it, thanks for the extra detail Simon. I see you're mapping in the area
too. Thanks for your help improving the area.

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> The street in question is Stevens Boulevard http://www.openstreetmap.org/#
> map=17/41.64710/-81.42325 it seems that there is an issue mainly with
> trucks and speeding, seems like a  classical rat run.
>
> There seems to be a "no trucks" restriction and potentially lower max
> speed on the road itself (none of which is mapped in OSM), but the input
> from the concerned people is rather sketchy (I'll be adding what I've been
> able to extract in a couple of minutes). Obviously we are under no
> obligation to remove the street, nor would that make any sense at all, but
> we can still try and help the people living there.
>
> And yes both the DWG and the LWG regularly receive a small number of
> complaints of a similar nature, so it is nothing particularly special
> outside of the missing data.
>
> Simon
>
> Am 03.12.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Ian Dees:
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Walter Nordmann  wrote:
>
>> to be more concrete: ask the author of the starting post. i don't know
>> anything about that area.
>>
>> regards
>> walter
>>
>> btw: getting every post twice, strange.
>
>
> Got it. I did ask Simon, but you replied so I thought you were answering
> for him. I'll wait for Simon's reply.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Willoughby, Ohio

[Paul Johnson]

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> The street in question is Stevens Boulevard http://www.openstreetmap.org/#
> map=17/41.64710/-81.42325 it seems that there is an issue mainly with
> trucks and speeding, seems like a  classical rat run.
>
> There seems to be a "no trucks" restriction and potentially lower max
> speed on the road itself (none of which is mapped in OSM), but the input
> from the concerned people is rather sketchy (I'll be adding what I've been
> able to extract in a couple of minutes). Obviously we are under no
> obligation to remove the street, nor would that make any sense at all, but
> we can still try and help the people living there.
>
> And yes both the DWG and the LWG regularly receive a small number of
> complaints of a similar nature, so it is nothing particularly special
> outside of the missing data.
>
Is it possible we can respond with a request for more accurate information,
in order to get this handled faster than it otherwise would if we don't
happen to have anyone specializing in metro Cleveland?  I get that they're
trying to game the data to get navigation software to handle the situation
better than it is, but obviously removal is a non-starter.  If we can
better describe the road, that may help if they didn't overengineer the
road for more traffic than they want on it.
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Re: [Talk-us] Willoughby, Ohio

[Simon Poole]

The street in question is Stevens Boulevard
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/41.64710/-81.42325 it seems that
there is an issue mainly with trucks and speeding, seems like a 
classical rat run.

There seems to be a "no trucks" restriction and potentially lower max
speed on the road itself (none of which is mapped in OSM), but the input
from the concerned people is rather sketchy (I'll be adding what I've
been able to extract in a couple of minutes). Obviously we are under no
obligation to remove the street, nor would that make any sense at all,
but we can still try and help the people living there.

And yes both the DWG and the LWG regularly receive a small number of
complaints of a similar nature, so it is nothing particularly special
outside of the missing data.

Simon


Am 03.12.2017 um 18:22 schrieb Ian Dees:
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Walter Nordmann  > wrote:
>
> to be more concrete: ask the author of the starting post. i don't
> know anything about that area.
>
> regards
> walter
>
> btw: getting every post twice, strange.
>
>
> Got it. I did ask Simon, but you replied so I thought you were
> answering for him. I'll wait for Simon's reply.
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Willoughby, Ohio

[Ian Dees]

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Walter Nordmann  wrote:

> to be more concrete: ask the author of the starting post. i don't know
> anything about that area.
>
> regards
> walter
>
> btw: getting every post twice, strange.


Got it. I did ask Simon, but you replied so I thought you were answering
for him. I'll wait for Simon's reply.

Thanks!
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Re: [Talk-us] Willoughby, Ohio

[Ian Dees]

I did. I'm asking for more details. Are you suggesting we should look for
someone to do "a quick Mapillary/OSC run" through the entire city of
Willoughby? That's a lot of road.

That's like me coming to talk-de and saying "We received a complaint about
a road somewhere in Schmargendorf, Wilmersdorf, or Charlottenburg in
Berlin. Anybody on the list in the vicinity that could do a survey or a
quick mapillary/OSC run along it?"

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Walter Nordmann  wrote:

> no, please read the original post.
>
> Am 03.12.2017 um 17:57 schrieb Ian Dees:
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Walter Nordmann  wrote:
>
>> Hi Ian,
>>
>> there was a request to remove that road but that will not be done. we
>> don't delete existing objects just to make them invisible.
>>
>> and the problem is: that area is poorly mapped and shoud be enhanced by
>> local mappers.
>>
> Ok, sounds good. Can you give more specific information about where in
> Willoughby the complaint was made? It's a rather large area.
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-us] Willoughby, Ohio

[Walter Nordmann]

no, please read the original post.


Am 03.12.2017 um 17:57 schrieb Ian Dees:
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Walter Nordmann > wrote:


Hi Ian,

there was a request to remove that road but that will not be done.
we don't delete existing objects just to make them invisible.

and the problem is: that area is poorly mapped and shoud be
enhanced by local mappers.

Ok, sounds good. Can you give more specific information about where in 
Willoughby the complaint was made? It's a rather large area.


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Re: [Talk-us] Willoughby, Ohio

[Ian Dees]

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Walter Nordmann  wrote:

> Hi Ian,
>
> there was a request to remove that road but that will not be done. we
> don't delete existing objects just to make them invisible.
>
> and the problem is: that area is poorly mapped and shoud be enhanced by
> local mappers.
>
Ok, sounds good. Can you give more specific information about where in
Willoughby the complaint was made? It's a rather large area.
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Re: [Talk-us] Willoughby, Ohio

[Walter Nordmann]

Hi Ian,

there was a request to remove that road but that will not be done. we 
don't delete existing objects just to make them invisible.


and the problem is: that area is poorly mapped and shoud be enhanced by 
local mappers.


regards
walter

Am 03.12.2017 um 17:49 schrieb Ian Dees:
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 5:00 AM, Simon Poole > wrote:


We've (data & legal) received a request to remove a street in
Willoughby, Ohio for safety reasons. It does seem as if a couple of
things are rather under mapped there (speed limits, access and so on,
not to mention POIs, but that's a different story). Anybody on the
list
in the vicinity that could do a survey or a quick mapillary/OSC run
along it? 



Can you be a little more specific about where in Willoughby we should 
look? Is there a changeset where the road was removed?



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Re: [Talk-us] Willoughby, Ohio

[Ian Dees]

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 5:00 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> We've (data & legal) received a request to remove a street in
> Willoughby, Ohio for safety reasons. It does seem as if a couple of
> things are rather under mapped there (speed limits, access and so on,
> not to mention POIs, but that's a different story). Anybody on the list
> in the vicinity that could do a survey or a quick mapillary/OSC run
> along it?


Can you be a little more specific about where in Willoughby we should look?
Is there a changeset where the road was removed?
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