[OSM-Talk-ZA] ZA Local OSM Chapter?

[Adrian Frith]

Hi ZA OSMers,

As you may have read on talk@ this morning, the OSM Foundation is
apparently busy creating a policy for Local Chapters which will be able
to represent the OSM-F officially. See
http://www.blacksworld.net/blog/2008/12/11/osm-f-update-local-chapters-are-coming/
 for the details; and see the draft policy at 
http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dgdmw5gt_7gtj36hhh

So I was thinking that maybe we should try to found a South African
Local Chapter. It might in particular be useful to have an official
organisation for handling the various negotiations with government
bodies for the use of their data.

Apparently in South Africa you can form a "voluntary association" which
is recognised in common law, and then register with the government as a
non-profit organisation. Supposedly this is easier than creating a
Section 21 company. Does anyone have experience with such things?

Grant, would you have any objection to transferring the
openstreetmap.org.za domain to such a local chapter if it is created?

Cheers,
Adrian


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Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] ZA Local OSM Chapter?

[Grant Slater]

Adrian Frith wrote:
> Grant, would you have any objection to transferring the
> openstreetmap.org.za domain to such a local chapter if it is created?
>   

Gladly transfer it.
The site is really in need of an update, I'm spread a bit thinly.

/ Grant

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Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] ZA Local OSM Chapter?

[brendan barrett]

I'm all in!

It would be nice to approach government on behalf of OSM as a
voluntary association or the like. This will help especially with all
the rest of the government data that we'd like to access.


On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Grant Slater
 wrote:
> Adrian Frith wrote:
>> Grant, would you have any objection to transferring the
>> openstreetmap.org.za domain to such a local chapter if it is created?
>>
>
> Gladly transfer it.
> The site is really in need of an update, I'm spread a bit thinly.
>
> / Grant
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[OSM-Talk-ZA] Using data from GPSED website

[Heinz Meulke]

Hi everyone

I was wondering, a website like gpsed makes all tracks available, everyone
can download the gpx tracks

please see link below for an example (I chose a random track someone drove)

http://gpsed.com/track/6488966512226744075


I had a look to see if there was any copyright on the data and couldn't find
any.

Can anyone comment please, would it be ok to use the data for mapping out
roads in (South) Africa?
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Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Using data from GPSED website

[Grant Slater]

Heinz Meulke wrote:
>
> I was wondering, a website like gpsed makes all tracks available, 
> everyone can download the gpx tracks
>
> please see link below for an example (I chose a random track someone 
> drove)
>
> http://gpsed.com/track/6488966512226744075
>
>
> I had a look to see if there was any copyright on the data and 
> couldn't find any.
>
> Can anyone comment please, would it be ok to use the data for mapping 
> out roads in (South) Africa?

Best to contact the uploader and ask for permission.

It also helps to get the message out about OpenStreetMap.

Anyone here involved with Tracks4Africa? Their members have a virtual
goldmine of (South) African GPS tracks.

/ Grant


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Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Using data from GPSED website

[Heinz Meulke]

You can set the tracks to Public or Private

In the FAQ I found this

*What do the track statuses Private/Public mean and what do I need them for?
*

All tracks recorded online are saved on the server and are available for
review and management on www.gpsed.com . When you start a
Public track you automatically agree to share it with other users. The more
often you upload your positioning data to the server the more actual is your
position on a map for other users. If you do not want to share your track
with others please change it to Private.

would this qualify as public domain?


On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Grant Slater wrote:

> Heinz Meulke wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering, a website like gpsed makes all tracks available,
> > everyone can download the gpx tracks
> >
> > please see link below for an example (I chose a random track someone
> > drove)
> >
> > http://gpsed.com/track/6488966512226744075
> >
> >
> > I had a look to see if there was any copyright on the data and
> > couldn't find any.
> >
> > Can anyone comment please, would it be ok to use the data for mapping
> > out roads in (South) Africa?
>
> Best to contact the uploader and ask for permission.
>
> It also helps to get the message out about OpenStreetMap.
>
> Anyone here involved with Tracks4Africa? Their members have a virtual
> goldmine of (South) African GPS tracks.
>
> / Grant
>
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[OSM-Talk-ZA] IRC Channel

[brendan barrett]

Does anybody know why the ZA IRC channel isn't working? Or is it just me?

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Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] IRC Channel

[Grant Slater]

brendan barrett wrote:
> Does anybody know why the ZA IRC channel isn't working? Or is it just me?
>   

furion.org went away...

ZA channel now on Atrum:
irc://irc.Atrum.org/osm-za

Web based chat here:
http://www.atrum.org/chat/

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Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] IRC Channel

[brendan barrett]

Thanx

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Grant Slater
 wrote:
> brendan barrett wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody know why the ZA IRC channel isn't working? Or is it just me?
>>
>
> furion.org went away...
>
> ZA channel now on Atrum:
> irc://irc.Atrum.org/osm-za
>
> Web based chat here:
> http://www.atrum.org/chat/
>
> / Grant
>

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Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Using data from GPSED website

[Nic Roets]

Hi Hein.

Thanks for the gpsed site. I hope it's like the
sportstracker.nokia.com , where I recently found many good mountain
bike routes. Some of them were recorded during special events (e.g.
races) for which landowners may have opened their properties / gates.
So blindly importing is out of the question. But I don't mind riding
these routes...

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Heinz Meulke  wrote:

> In the FAQ I found this
>
> What do the track statuses Private/Public mean and what do I need them for?
>...you automatically agree to share it with other users...

> would this qualify as public domain?

No, because it does not say that "other users" will have the right to
distribute what they download.

BUT on OSM-legal-talk many people have argued that facts cannot be
copyrighted. IMO gps tracks are facts, so we should be able to use
them for OSM. Let me cross post to legal-talk and see if the big legal
brains agree.

Regards,
Nic

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Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Using data from GPSED website

[Nic Roets]

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Nic Roets  wrote:
> BUT on OSM-legal-talk many people have argued that facts cannot be
> copyrighted. IMO gps tracks are facts, so we should be able to use
> them for OSM.

Ok Ivan from legal-talk says individual facts are free, but
collections are protected in most countries. So I think traces from
non-free sites can only be used to derive one segment at a time, e.g.
when OSM is missing a foot bridge.

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[OSM-Talk-ZA] Loan GPS datalogger available

[Grant Slater]

Hi Guys,

Anyone here want to borrow a GPS datalogger for a few weeks?

I have a few available.

/ Grant

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[OSM-Talk-ZA] Just joined

[Dave Coventry]

Hi,

I just joined last night.

What sort of pace is the project coming along at with respect to South Africa?

Are things going along quickly? or is it dragging a bit?

Regards,

Dave Coventry

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