Re: The Talk2 List let's all laugh at the silly sighted people Fw: banner
I think it's easy to say let's laugh at Sighted people ETC., the point is they're trying to make an effort to make sure that the website or part of the website they're responsible for works and is accessible. I don't know what exactly their job responsibilities are, but I doubt that one of tem is to learn how screenreaders work. Perhaps they should have some basic knowledge, but if they're unsure then they should do some user testing in which case a user can explain if there are problems or not, but I don't think it should be expected from them to know ins and outs of jaws or any screenreader for that matter. Vanja http://www.sudar.co.uk MSN messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: vanja121 Skype: vanja121 - Original Message - From: Tasha Raella Chemel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: talk2 talk2@AndreLouis.COM Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: The Talk2 List let's all laugh at the silly sighted people Fw: banner yeah, there are no problems; that's the point! imagine if jaws really did work like that sighted woman described! that would be so unbelievably sad. - Original Message - From: TJ Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: talk2 talk2@AndreLouis.COM Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 1:57 PM Subject: Re: The Talk2 List let's all laugh at the silly sighted people Fw: banner hmm my university recently switched to the banner system and i've had no problems at all--if this is the same thing tj - Original Message - From: Tasha Raella Chemel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: talk2 talk2@AndreLouis.COM Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:56 AM Subject: The Talk2 List let's all laugh at the silly sighted people Fw: banner - Original Message - From: Axe, Catherine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chemel, Tasha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:58 PM It's fine that they don't know anything about jaws, but why in god's name do they think they could get anything useful out of testing it? HI Tasha, We have detected some problems in using Banner with JAWS, but we are unsure if it is our limited skills with JAWS that are causing the problem. I was wondering if you'd be willing to help us make sure it is accessible. It would mean meeting with some CIS people one time to use JAWS to navigate Banner. Let me know if you'd have time to do this. I know this must be a busy time for you. Hope things are going well! Cathie Catherine Axe Director, Disability Support Services Brown University (401) 863-9588 - voice and TTY (401) 863-1999 - fax -Original Message- I sat down with my systems admin person today and we tested banner with jaws (Roberto's screeen reading software). It appears that Jaws works somewhat llike a printer, it has to dump what's in its memory before it can move on to the next page, so, for example, when we click on the class chedule link, it continues to read from the banner homepage for a bit before it starts reading the class schedule search page. I tested this with several pages and that seems to be the way it is designed. Other than this, it seems to read the pages okay. It won't be easy for a sight impaired person to navigate the catalog or class schedule easily. Since Jaws reads everything on the page, if you want to go to a course or class that is further down the list (say ECON 1720) you have to wait for it to read ALL of the text leading up to it. Also, the software scrolls through the page as it reads it, so when it is reading the catalog or schedule it has already advanced beyond the course number before it finishes reading that line so if you wanted to click on the course link it will already be off the screen. Another thing I noticed, for the drop-down menus such as Search by term, Level, Schedule type, etc. it only reads the first item on the scroll down menu (i.e. All or None). It doesn't tell you want the other options are in the drop-down menu. If you do select one of the other options (and I don't know how a sight impaired person will be able to do this since they don't know what the other options are), it isn't until after you have made your selection AND hit the submit button that it tells you what you which option you selected. Of course, I wasn't able to test any of the faculty access pages since they are available yet. -phyllis At 01:06 PM 3/21/2007, you wrote: Phyllis, do you know if professor Serrano tried using banner? I'm wondering about how his vision support software worked. n Nancy R. Dunbar Associate Provost --- Phyllis Hudek Department Manager Department of Economics Brown University Box B 64 Waterman Street Providence, RI 02912 (401) 863-2116 (401) 863-1970 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 4
The Talk2 List let's all laugh at the silly sighted people Fw: banner
- Original Message - From: Axe, Catherine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chemel, Tasha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:58 PM It's fine that they don't know anything about jaws, but why in god's name do they think they could get anything useful out of testing it? HI Tasha, We have detected some problems in using Banner with JAWS, but we are unsure if it is our limited skills with JAWS that are causing the problem. I was wondering if you'd be willing to help us make sure it is accessible. It would mean meeting with some CIS people one time to use JAWS to navigate Banner. Let me know if you'd have time to do this. I know this must be a busy time for you. Hope things are going well! Cathie Catherine Axe Director, Disability Support Services Brown University (401) 863-9588 - voice and TTY (401) 863-1999 - fax -Original Message- I sat down with my systems admin person today and we tested banner with jaws (Roberto's screeen reading software). It appears that Jaws works somewhat llike a printer, it has to dump what's in its memory before it can move on to the next page, so, for example, when we click on the class chedule link, it continues to read from the banner homepage for a bit before it starts reading the class schedule search page. I tested this with several pages and that seems to be the way it is designed. Other than this, it seems to read the pages okay. It won't be easy for a sight impaired person to navigate the catalog or class schedule easily. Since Jaws reads everything on the page, if you want to go to a course or class that is further down the list (say ECON 1720) you have to wait for it to read ALL of the text leading up to it. Also, the software scrolls through the page as it reads it, so when it is reading the catalog or schedule it has already advanced beyond the course number before it finishes reading that line so if you wanted to click on the course link it will already be off the screen. Another thing I noticed, for the drop-down menus such as Search by term, Level, Schedule type, etc. it only reads the first item on the scroll down menu (i.e. All or None). It doesn't tell you want the other options are in the drop-down menu. If you do select one of the other options (and I don't know how a sight impaired person will be able to do this since they don't know what the other options are), it isn't until after you have made your selection AND hit the submit button that it tells you what you which option you selected. Of course, I wasn't able to test any of the faculty access pages since they are available yet. -phyllis At 01:06 PM 3/21/2007, you wrote: Phyllis, do you know if professor Serrano tried using banner? I'm wondering about how his vision support software worked. n Nancy R. Dunbar Associate Provost --- Phyllis Hudek Department Manager Department of Economics Brown University Box B 64 Waterman Street Providence, RI 02912 (401) 863-2116 (401) 863-1970 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
Re: The Talk2 List let's all laugh at the silly sighted people Fw: banner
hmm my university recently switched to the banner system and i've had no problems at all--if this is the same thing tj - Original Message - From: Tasha Raella Chemel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: talk2 talk2@AndreLouis.COM Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 6:56 AM Subject: The Talk2 List let's all laugh at the silly sighted people Fw: banner - Original Message - From: Axe, Catherine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chemel, Tasha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:58 PM It's fine that they don't know anything about jaws, but why in god's name do they think they could get anything useful out of testing it? HI Tasha, We have detected some problems in using Banner with JAWS, but we are unsure if it is our limited skills with JAWS that are causing the problem. I was wondering if you'd be willing to help us make sure it is accessible. It would mean meeting with some CIS people one time to use JAWS to navigate Banner. Let me know if you'd have time to do this. I know this must be a busy time for you. Hope things are going well! Cathie Catherine Axe Director, Disability Support Services Brown University (401) 863-9588 - voice and TTY (401) 863-1999 - fax -Original Message- I sat down with my systems admin person today and we tested banner with jaws (Roberto's screeen reading software). It appears that Jaws works somewhat llike a printer, it has to dump what's in its memory before it can move on to the next page, so, for example, when we click on the class chedule link, it continues to read from the banner homepage for a bit before it starts reading the class schedule search page. I tested this with several pages and that seems to be the way it is designed. Other than this, it seems to read the pages okay. It won't be easy for a sight impaired person to navigate the catalog or class schedule easily. Since Jaws reads everything on the page, if you want to go to a course or class that is further down the list (say ECON 1720) you have to wait for it to read ALL of the text leading up to it. Also, the software scrolls through the page as it reads it, so when it is reading the catalog or schedule it has already advanced beyond the course number before it finishes reading that line so if you wanted to click on the course link it will already be off the screen. Another thing I noticed, for the drop-down menus such as Search by term, Level, Schedule type, etc. it only reads the first item on the scroll down menu (i.e. All or None). It doesn't tell you want the other options are in the drop-down menu. If you do select one of the other options (and I don't know how a sight impaired person will be able to do this since they don't know what the other options are), it isn't until after you have made your selection AND hit the submit button that it tells you what you which option you selected. Of course, I wasn't able to test any of the faculty access pages since they are available yet. -phyllis At 01:06 PM 3/21/2007, you wrote: Phyllis, do you know if professor Serrano tried using banner? I'm wondering about how his vision support software worked. n Nancy R. Dunbar Associate Provost --- Phyllis Hudek Department Manager Department of Economics Brown University Box B 64 Waterman Street Providence, RI 02912 (401) 863-2116 (401) 863-1970 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 4/15/2007 4:22 PM Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
Re: The Talk2 List let's all laugh at the silly sighted people Fw: banner
On 4/16/2007, 3:22:16 PM EDT, Tasha ran through an abandoned tunnel, shouting: imagine if jaws really did work like that sighted woman described! Imagine if jaws worked, full stop. Now that would be incredibly sad, don't you think? Also, imagine if the world were free of prejudice. Wouldn't that be amazing? -- -- Patrick Perdue (MCP, CNA) KE4DYI Greensboro, NC website: http://www.pdaudio.net home: +1(828)475-4004 Mobile phone and SMS: +1(336)509-5583 e-mail and .net messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For anything related to the yamaha motif line of keyboards and modules, subscribe to the motif-help mailing list by sending a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message originally sent in reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Monday, April 16, 2007 at 3:23 PM EST. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
Re: The Talk2 List let's all laugh at the silly sighted people Fw: banner
I wasn't trying to be prejudiced---I'm only implying that someone shouldn't try to test jaws without having a basic understanding of how it works. - Original Message - From: Patrick Perdue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: talk2 talk2@AndreLouis.COM Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:25 PM Subject: Re: The Talk2 List let's all laugh at the silly sighted people Fw: banner On 4/16/2007, 3:22:16 PM EDT, Tasha ran through an abandoned tunnel, shouting: imagine if jaws really did work like that sighted woman described! Imagine if jaws worked, full stop. Now that would be incredibly sad, don't you think? Also, imagine if the world were free of prejudice. Wouldn't that be amazing? -- -- Patrick Perdue (MCP, CNA) KE4DYI Greensboro, NC website: http://www.pdaudio.net home: +1(828)475-4004 Mobile phone and SMS: +1(336)509-5583 e-mail and .net messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For anything related to the yamaha motif line of keyboards and modules, subscribe to the motif-help mailing list by sending a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message originally sent in reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Monday, April 16, 2007 at 3:23 PM EST. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
Re: The Talk2 List let's all laugh at the silly sighted people Fw: banner
well you really should appreciate their efforts though tj - Original Message - From: Tasha Raella Chemel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: talk2 talk2@AndreLouis.COM Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: The Talk2 List let's all laugh at the silly sighted people Fw: banner I wasn't trying to be prejudiced---I'm only implying that someone shouldn't try to test jaws without having a basic understanding of how it works. - Original Message - From: Patrick Perdue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: talk2 talk2@AndreLouis.COM Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:25 PM Subject: Re: The Talk2 List let's all laugh at the silly sighted people Fw: banner On 4/16/2007, 3:22:16 PM EDT, Tasha ran through an abandoned tunnel, shouting: imagine if jaws really did work like that sighted woman described! Imagine if jaws worked, full stop. Now that would be incredibly sad, don't you think? Also, imagine if the world were free of prejudice. Wouldn't that be amazing? -- -- Patrick Perdue (MCP, CNA) KE4DYI Greensboro, NC website: http://www.pdaudio.net home: +1(828)475-4004 Mobile phone and SMS: +1(336)509-5583 e-mail and .net messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For anything related to the yamaha motif line of keyboards and modules, subscribe to the motif-help mailing list by sending a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message originally sent in reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Monday, April 16, 2007 at 3:23 PM EST. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 4/15/2007 4:22 PM Did you miss a message? Well, don't. http://www.mail-archive.com/talk2%40andrelouis.com/ has it for you. Never miss a Talk2 message again.
