[Tango-L] Time signatures in tango music?

2009-10-09 Thread Zpetrovic
Hello everyone,

I was wondering could you help me understand time signatures in tango music?
Is it 2/4, 4/4, 4/8 or...?
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Re: [Tango-L] Time signatures in tango music?

2009-10-09 Thread Dubravko Kakarigi
A simple google search (or Tango-L search) would have, among others, yielded

http://pythia.uoregon.edu/~llynch/Tango-L/2001/msg02011.html

Do take a look!

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From: Zpetrovic zpetro...@cooltoad.com
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Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 11:34:11 AM
Subject: [Tango-L] Time signatures in tango music?

Hello everyone,

I was wondering could you help me understand time signatures in tango music?
Is it 2/4, 4/4, 4/8 or...?
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[Tango-L] Observations on Nuevo

2009-10-09 Thread Sergio Vandekier

Romero always brings interesting tango historical elements, at this time he 
brings memories of the book on how to teach tango by Nicanor Lima published in 
1916 with which I am familiar.
 
Mr. Lima says that you can use the Tango Choreography, steps or figures to 
dance to different types of music by adjusting the speed of the dance.
 
This is true for other dances as well, you can do Rumba, Cha-Cha, Fox-trot or 
tango to the same music, I frequently do that with good results.
 
In summary the tango steps can be danced to almost any music, what varies is 
the feeling.
 
It is always important to try to preserve the Character of the dance 
irrespective of the music one is dancing to.
 
Best regards, Sergio
 
   
 
  
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[Tango-L] To the ladies on Tango-L - What makes for a good dance?

2009-10-09 Thread Myk Dowling
Vince Bagusauskas wrote:
 More importantly, in the last few days I have been in correspondence with 
 Dierdre which made me take stock on: nuevo,  life in BsAs, gringos and the 
 dominance of leaders navel gazing on Tango-L, whereas all she wants is a 
 bloody good dance.  Maybe one day Dierdre we can can catch-up and see if I 
 can measure up.
   
This is a good point. I can talk for hours about what it's like as a 
leader; what I'd like to hear from this list is what I can do to make 
things more enjoyable for the ladies I dance with. Here's a few 
questions to start things off. Replies from ladies/followers are 
particularly desired here.

How firm an embrace do you like? There's a big range between a firm hug 
and a gentle arm resting on your back. What's best, or what 
circumstances make different options right at the time?

Ganchos, colgadas, volcadas, etc - are they fun to be led into? How many 
in a dance is good?

What's better, a dance with lots of changes of direction and swirling 
around, a dance stepping only forward and side steps, but really 
following the rhythm, a mix of both, or some other focus?

Leaders get to choose the kind of dancing they like to do, and followers 
pretty much have to make do with what's being offered. So what exactly 
does make for a bloody good dance?

Myk,
in Canberra
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[Tango-L] Time signatures in Tango

2009-10-09 Thread dierdre black
As I understand itsince even one of the tango stations, here, in BA, is 
called 2 por 4.seems there's the answerdnb


  
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[Tango-L] NA-E: NYC ESMERALDA'S-- SUN. OCT 11

2009-10-09 Thread Lucille Krasne
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[Tango-L] Times signature in tango

2009-10-09 Thread Sergio Vandekier


Initially,tango was written like the milonga in 2x4. This lasted till 
approximately   1915.
 
El Porteñito - El esquinazo - are examples of early tangos written in 2x4. They 
are upbeat, happy, fast.
 
Tango Music has several periods 1895 -1917 is known as La guardia vieja, it 
is a period of Tango-Milongas  .  Those early tangos were close to their 
ancestor : The Milonga.  
 
 Musicians of that period are Juan Maglio, Vicente Greco, Roberto Firpo, 
Eduardo Arolas, Julio de Caro.
 
1917-1924 end of La guardia Vieja till El Tango Cancion.
 
The notation changed to 4x8 . Tangos become calmer,slower and more expresive.
 
This change in notation caused the flute and guitar to be displaced from the 
orchestras.
 
Tangos are still written in 4x8.
 
Jorge Luis Borges said  la música de tango está tan conectada con el mundo 
rioplatense que cuando un compositor, de cualquier otra parte del mundo, 
pretende componer un tango «descubre, no sin estupor, que ha urdido algo que 
nuestros oídos no reconocen, que nuestra memoria no hospeda y que nuestro 
cuerpo rechaza».
Esa característica fuertemente local del tango, imbricada con el ritmo y la 
musicalidad del lenguaje rioplatense, ha sido reiteradamente señalada.
 
Jorge Luis Borges said  Tango music is so connected to the Rio de la Plata 
world,that when a composer, from any other place in the world, attempts to 
compose a tango, discovers with astonishment, that he has created something 
that our ears do not recognize, that our memory does not find,and that our body 
rejects.
 
This trongly local characteristic of tango music, associated to the rhythm and 
to the language musicality of that area has been mentioned many times. 

 
Sergio
  
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[Tango-L] Times signature in tango

2009-10-09 Thread Joe Grohens
Sergio wrote:

  Tangos are still written in 4x8.

I am not aware of very many new tangos (that are really tangos and not  
tango-rock fusion or offshoots of piazzolla) being written at all.

What are some examples?

- joe
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[Tango-L] new tangos

2009-10-09 Thread Sergio Vandekier


Joe you say:  I am not aware of very many new tangos (that are really tangos 
and not tango-rock fusion or offshoots of piazzolla) being written at all.
 
I entirely agree, what i meant is that there is no other notation than 4x4 up 
to the present time.
 
Tango music is associated so musch with the culture in the Rio de la Plata of 
earlier periods, that modern Argentines seem to be unable to create tangos like 
the old ones.
 
What a pity! no?
 
Sergio
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[Tango-L] Tango Scores

2009-10-09 Thread Sergio Vandekier

I went to check the scores of many tangos, it looks that all the tangos before 
1915 were written in 2x4 the same as the milongas.  Aftterwards tangos were 
written in 4x4 or 4x8 but many in 2x4 as well.
 
4x8 Que falta que me haces - Musician Armando Pointier 
 
2x4 Malvon - written in 1944 by Osmar Maderna 
 
2x4 Mañana Zarpa un barco ' 1942 ' Lucio De Mare
 
2x4 Mano a Mano - 1923 - Carlos Gardel
 
4x8 Maria - 1945 - Anibal Troilo 
 
4x8 Bahia Blanca - Carlos Di sarli  -  
 
2x4 El Porteñito
 
2x4 El Entreriano
 
2x4 Derecho Viejo
 
Sergio
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