[Tango-L] DWTS on 10/12
If you're in the LA area, Vanessa and David will be at our milonga, La Milonga El Rincón, this Friday. More info at milongaelrincon dot com John ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Line of Dance
On 13/10/10 00:52, Huck Kennedy wrote: > You have progressed down the > line, and that space now belongs to the couple next in line in that > lane. It is not yours. Hooray. I have long subscribed to this belief. Never heard anyone else say it. Thank you. Your claim to that just vacated space is the same as the space vacated when you drive forward on a freeway. There should be the same reluctance to step back into it as there is to suddenly reverse back up the freeway. cheers rde ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Line of Dance
Recent post: "Thank you for pointing this out. When people know how to dance, strictly following line of dance rule is meaningless, because you end up dancing with other pairs on the floor co-creating a symbiotic dance of the whole group - that's when the whole new horizon of dancing opens up." Yep, just like the hoons and smart-arses that grace our motorways. They all know how to drive. They think they know how to drive better than everybody else on the motorway. They're much too skilled to have to obey road rules. They're just exceptional people. Weaving in and out demonstrates their free spirit and their command of space and time. Oh, the sheer joy of sharing a motorway with them. The peace it brings to body and mind. It's a privilege to be in their company. Seems they can't understand that driving a vehicle and driving a vehicle on a motorway are entirely different. Being skilled at one doesn't mean skilled at the other. I suggest cautious driving allows one to enjoy the beauty of the scenery. Stamp Out Hooning At Milongas Anton ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Forever Tango on DWTS
Forever Tango is an ensemble piece, so Cheryl (who I haven't seen) is probably in just a couple of dances. Maybe subbing in for one of the women. From what I've seen of rehearsal photos, Juan & Victoria will be reprising their finale (the "death drop" and slide to the bandoneon) as part of the performance. Looks like Marcela Duran will be in it, too. Trini de Pittsburgh --- On Tue, 10/12/10, Steve Littler wrote: On 10/12/2010 1:05 PM, macfro...@aol.com wrote: > Michael, the ABC videos, or any videos on a station's site, are for only >the continental U.S. > I suggest bit torrents if you live elsewhere. > cherie I think someone will probably put it on YouTube. > P.S. Cheryl Burke will be starring in Forever Tango, during its San Francisco > run. I guess that says something about how the style of tango danced in the > show. Don't misunderstand me, she's a fantastic ballroom show dancer. Cheryl said last night that she had spent a month in B.A. taking lessons in A.T. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Line of Dance
On 13/10/10 00:52, Huck Kennedy wrote: > With regard to any considerable space, the leader next in line > in the ronda knows it is there too, trust me (he's likely even waiting > for it like a voracious dog about to be fed), and he rightfully > considers it to be*his* space because it has been vacated. Once > you've progressed down the line, any space you've vacated no longer > belongs to you, it belongs to the next couple in line, and you have > vacated it forever. You do NOT get to turn around and set off > backwards because "you know you just came from there." Or "because > it's safe." Or for any other reason, including the next leader in > line appearing in your humble opinion to be too clueless to > immediately fulfill his responsibility to take up the space vacated. > If you do set off in a backwards direction, you are stealing something > that does not belong to you. I fear I am guilty of this indiscretion. Thanks for pointing it out to me, Huck. I'll avoid it in the future. Myk, in Canberra ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Forever Tango on DWTS
On 10/12/2010 1:05 PM, macfro...@aol.com wrote: > Michael, the ABC videos, or any videos on a station's site, are for only > the continental U.S. > I suggest bit torrents if you live elsewhere. > cherie I think someone will probably put it on YouTube. > P.S. Cheryl Burke will be starring in Forever Tango, during its San Francisco > run. I guess that says something about how the style of tango danced in the > show. Don't misunderstand me, she's a fantastic ballroom show dancer. Cheryl said last night that she had spent a month in B.A. taking lessons in A.T. She is a truly great dancer and I love her dearly, but even still...A.T. takes a long time to get the feel and look of and especially to the level of the professionals in the cast of Forever Tango who have danced it their whole lives. We'll see... El Stevito de Gainesville ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Forever Tango on DWTS
Michael, the ABC videos, or any videos on a station's site, are for only the continental U.S. I suggest bit torrents if you live elsewhere. cherie P.S. Cheryl Burke will be starring in Forever Tango, during its San Francisco run. I guess that says something about how the style of tango danced in the show. Don't misunderstand me, she's a fantastic ballroom show dancer. http://tangocherie.blogspot.com You can always go to www.abc.com. Click on Shows. Click on Dancing with the Stars. Click on the latest episode to watch. Tonight's show will probably be posted by Thursday. > > Hopefully someone is able to Youtube it, for the likes of us who do not > live in North America. > > >> On Tuesday, Oct. 12, the cast of Forever Tango is going to be on Dancing >> with the Stars, 9pm. The promo I read says that Cheryl Burke from the >> show will be performing with the cast. I usually don't watch this show, >> but it could be interesting this week. >> ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Forever Tango on DWTS
You can always go to www.abc.com. Click on Shows. Click on Dancing with the Stars. Click on the latest episode to watch. Tonight's show will probably be posted by Thursday. Michael I danced Argentine Tango --with the Argentines - Original Message - From: "Vince Bagusauskas" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Forever Tango on DWTS > > Hopefully someone is able to Youtube it, for the likes of us who do not > live in North America. > > > Cheers! > > Vince > In Melbourne, Australia > > > > >> On Tuesday, Oct. 12, the cast of Forever Tango is going to be on Dancing >> with the Stars, 9pm. The promo I read says that Cheryl Burke from the >> show will be performing with the cast. I usually don't watch this show, >> but it could be interesting this week. >> >> Trini de Pittsburgh > ___ > Tango-L mailing list > Tango-L@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Line of Dance
Huck I agree with you 100% well said. In a message dated 10/12/2010 6:55:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tempeh...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Phil Seyer wrote: > I've seen many tango master instructors, dance against the line > dance for a while. It's necessary for many dance figures. Any "figure" requiring travel against the line of dance either needs to get chopped into parts redirecting all movent to align with the line of dance, or far more likely, relegated to the performance stage where such figures belong. > In my opinion, the key is to > know when it is safe to do so, > and to keep it in moderation, while continuing to progress, > most of the time down the line of dance. Uh oh. We've agreed on so many musical topics in the past, but I must regretfully disagree with you on this: As a dancer, you are entitled to the space of perhaps one backstep, if you keep it very short, and the space to direct the woman around you in a tight molinete, maybe if you are lucky. You are not entitled to turn 180 degrees and set off in a backward direction "in moderation", or as long as you don't do it "most of the time" or if you "only do it when it's safe." You are not to do it ever. You have progressed down the line, and that space now belongs to the couple next in line in that lane. It is not yours. > One instructor points out in one of his videos that it's safe for him > to dance backwards into a certain space because he knows the > space is available since he has just been > there himself moments ago. I would hope this instructor is only talking about trivial movement such as taking a rock step forward and then immediately rocking back. With regard to any considerable space, the leader next in line in the ronda knows it is there too, trust me (he's likely even waiting for it like a voracious dog about to be fed), and he rightfully considers it to be *his* space because it has been vacated. Once you've progressed down the line, any space you've vacated no longer belongs to you, it belongs to the next couple in line, and you have vacated it forever. You do NOT get to turn around and set off backwards because "you know you just came from there." Or "because it's safe." Or for any other reason, including the next leader in line appearing in your humble opinion to be too clueless to immediately fulfill his responsibility to take up the space vacated. If you do set off in a backwards direction, you are stealing something that does not belong to you. To be clear, obviously I am not talking about trivial movement such as taking a forward rock step and rocking right back. Or facing backward with a leg extended so your partner can step over it. I am talking about the sorry practice of leaders actually turning around and taking a series of forward steps against the line of dance, as if they were Don Quijote setting off to conquer windmills. And I am also talking about going backwards more than one step. Following these and other codigos might seem overly strict to some, but in my opinion doing so is the only way to acheive the goal of the entire floor cooperatively dancing as if it were one organism, rather than a bunch of individuals viciously scrapping for any free space in a contest to see who is the most dominant. Huck ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Line of dance
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 7:38 AM, NANCY wrote: > > --- On Tue, 10/12/10, Huck Kennedy wrote: > > > Without disturbing anyone? I think you may have misspelled > > "without bumping into anyone." Who's to say that nobody was > > distracted from their ongoing tango reverie and yanked back into the > > real world by being forced to deal with this. > > How > do I know? beecause I was there, looking over his shoulder and I have > about 17 years of dancing tango in BsAs and at festivals all over the > US. Please note: I said no one else should try it. No you didn't--you said it was okay because it was Buenos Aires and the milonga was not filled with tourists, and thus could be counted on to be predictable and stay in their own lanes. > I am way > more traditional and codigo-oriented than 99% of the posters here, so I > am the wrong one to quibble with. The man is > Ernesto Delgado. Look him up. He doesn't teach, he just dances > beautifully. P.S. He, and other milongueros did NOT appreciate the way > Gavito took up seven baldosas when he did his exaggerated leans altho > they were all good friends. Which makes it all the more likely nobody appreciated what he did either. But Delgado gets an Old Milonguero Get Out Of Jail Free card but Gavito doesn't? This is all a bit beside the point anyways--old milongueros have probably earned the right to do whatever they want, but the rest of us who compose the other 99% of the dancing population can't say the same. Huck ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Line of dance
--- On Tue, 10/12/10, Huck Kennedy wrote: Without disturbing anyone? I think you may have misspelled "without bumping into anyone." Who's to say that nobody was distracted from their ongoing tango reverie and yanked back into the real world by being forced to deal with this. How do I know? beecause I was there, looking over his shoulder and I have about 17 years of dancing tango in BsAs and at festivals all over the US. Please note: I said no one else should try it. I am way more traditional and codigo-oriented than 99% of the posters here, so I am the wrong one to quibble with. The man is Ernesto Delgado. Look him up. He doesn't teach, he just dances beautifully. P.S. He, and other milongueros did NOT appreciate the way Gavito took up seven baldosas when he did his exaggerated leans altho they were all good friends. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Line of Dance
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 6:05 AM, NANCY wrote: > I danced with a gentleman who took seven ( count 'em) quick > steps backward, on a diagonal, into the center of the room > without disturbing anyone. Without disturbing anyone? I think you may have misspelled "without bumping into anyone." Who's to say that nobody was distracted from their ongoing tango reverie and yanked back into the real world by being forced to deal with this. Maybe he didn't do this in the middle of a tango, but rather just did it at the very end of a milonga selection in order to achieve a dramatic ending, in which case he might be much more easily forgiven for the brief indiscretion? After all, we're all entitled to the occasional brief indiscretion. :-) But this "skill" thing brings up another subject--I was chatting with a woman who had danced the previous tanda with someone who had been zigzagging around in and out of lanes and passing people at whim. When I expressed my displeasure with this, she said, "Well some people are skilled enough to to that." I replied, "Madame, this is a good milonga, and most of the leaders on this floor are skilled enough to do that--that's hardly the point. The point is that most of us are also polite enough not to treat our fellow dancers as mere inanimate traffic cones." Huck ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Line of Dance
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Phil Seyer wrote: > I've seen many tango master instructors, dance against the line > dance for a while. It's necessary for many dance figures. Any "figure" requiring travel against the line of dance either needs to get chopped into parts redirecting all movent to align with the line of dance, or far more likely, relegated to the performance stage where such figures belong. > In my opinion, the key is to > know when it is safe to do so, > and to keep it in moderation, while continuing to progress, > most of the time down the line of dance. Uh oh. We've agreed on so many musical topics in the past, but I must regretfully disagree with you on this: As a dancer, you are entitled to the space of perhaps one backstep, if you keep it very short, and the space to direct the woman around you in a tight molinete, maybe if you are lucky. You are not entitled to turn 180 degrees and set off in a backward direction "in moderation", or as long as you don't do it "most of the time" or if you "only do it when it's safe." You are not to do it ever. You have progressed down the line, and that space now belongs to the couple next in line in that lane. It is not yours. > One instructor points out in one of his videos that it's safe for him > to dance backwards into a certain space because he knows the > space is available since he has just been > there himself moments ago. I would hope this instructor is only talking about trivial movement such as taking a rock step forward and then immediately rocking back. With regard to any considerable space, the leader next in line in the ronda knows it is there too, trust me (he's likely even waiting for it like a voracious dog about to be fed), and he rightfully considers it to be *his* space because it has been vacated. Once you've progressed down the line, any space you've vacated no longer belongs to you, it belongs to the next couple in line, and you have vacated it forever. You do NOT get to turn around and set off backwards because "you know you just came from there." Or "because it's safe." Or for any other reason, including the next leader in line appearing in your humble opinion to be too clueless to immediately fulfill his responsibility to take up the space vacated. If you do set off in a backwards direction, you are stealing something that does not belong to you. To be clear, obviously I am not talking about trivial movement such as taking a forward rock step and rocking right back. Or facing backward with a leg extended so your partner can step over it. I am talking about the sorry practice of leaders actually turning around and taking a series of forward steps against the line of dance, as if they were Don Quijote setting off to conquer windmills. And I am also talking about going backwards more than one step. Following these and other codigos might seem overly strict to some, but in my opinion doing so is the only way to acheive the goal of the entire floor cooperatively dancing as if it were one organism, rather than a bunch of individuals viciously scrapping for any free space in a contest to see who is the most dominant. Huck ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Line of Dance
Thank you for pointing this out. When people know how to dance, strictly following line of dance rule is meaningless, because you end up dancing with other pairs on the floor co-creating a symbiotic dance of the whole group - that's when the whole new horizon of dancing opens up. ...dubravko === seek, appreciate, and create beauty this life is not a rehearsal === - Original Message > From: NANCY > To: tango-l@mit.edu; Phil Seyer > Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 9:05:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Line of Dance > > > > --- On Sat, 10/9/10, Phil Seyer wrote: > > From: Phil Seyer > > One instructor points out in one of his videos that it's safe for him > to dance backwards > into a certain space because he knows the space is available since he > has just been > there himself moments > > That might work in Buenos Aires where the milongueros study the dance floor, >sometimes for hours, before they set foot on the pista and where they can >count >on all the other dancers following the line of dance and staying in their own >lanes. I danced with a gentleman who took seven ( count 'em) quick steps >backward, on a diagonal, into the center of the room without disturbing >anyone. >Anywhere else or in a milonga full of tourists doing their own thing with no >regard for the flow of the room, it would be a disaster. > > JMHO > Nancy > > > > > ___ > Tango-L mailing list > Tango-L@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l > ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Line of Dance
--- On Sat, 10/9/10, Phil Seyer wrote: From: Phil Seyer One instructor points out in one of his videos that it's safe for him to dance backwards into a certain space because he knows the space is available since he has just been there himself moments That might work in Buenos Aires where the milongueros study the dance floor, sometimes for hours, before they set foot on the pista and where they can count on all the other dancers following the line of dance and staying in their own lanes. I danced with a gentleman who took seven ( count 'em) quick steps backward, on a diagonal, into the center of the room without disturbing anyone. Anywhere else or in a milonga full of tourists doing their own thing with no regard for the flow of the room, it would be a disaster. JMHO Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Forever Tango on Dancing With The Stars
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Re: [Tango-L] Forever Tango on DWTS
Hopefully someone is able to Youtube it, for the likes of us who do not live in North America. Cheers! Vince In Melbourne, Australia > On Tuesday, Oct. 12, the cast of Forever Tango is going to be on Dancing with > the Stars, 9pm. The promo I read says that Cheryl Burke from the show will be > performing with the cast. I usually don't watch this show, but it could be > interesting this week. > > Trini de Pittsburgh ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Line of Dance
On 10/10/10 11:39, Phil Seyer wrote: > > One instructor points out in one of his videos that it's safe for him > to dance backwards > into a certain space because he knows the space is available since he > has just been there himself moments ago. > "moments ago" is sufficient time for a space to go from "certain" to "uncertain" if some kamikaze clown has speared into it from the centre, or done a lightning fast back-back-back step. (Time enough for one to vacate with a view to reoccupying it, is also time enough for another to invade it.) I have come to grief having checked there is space in front of me (along line-of-dance), done a simple half-giro, stepped back (thus along the line of dance) into that verified "certain space", and found it already occupied. cheers rde ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Line of Dance
I've seen many tango master instructors, dance against the line of dance for a while. It's necessary for many dance figures. In my opinion, the key is to know when it is safe to do so, and to keep it in moderation, while continuing to progress, most of the time down the line of dance. One instructor points out in one of his videos that it's safe for him to dance backwards into a certain space because he knows the space is available since he has just been there himself moments ago. Phil Seyer http://www.tangovideos.ning.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
