Re: [Tango-L] Criteria for choosing teachers
1) Are they a member of the club? 2) Do they support the club by attending milongas and sending their students? 3) Have they taught a class prior to a milonga and was it well received by the students? 4) Are they able to dance both stage and social tango or do they only dance teach stage tango?? I think you must start at a very basic level herenot that your other criteria would not be useful, I think they might be obviously discriminatory. Let's face it, we have had long-time Argentine dancers from BsAs who could not teach their way out of a basic step. I think you also need a disclaimer saying you do not endorse any teacher to make it fair. From: Lois Donnay don...@donnay.net To: Tango-L Tango-L@mit.edu Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:44 PM Subject: [Tango-L] Criteria for choosing teachers What do you think should be the criteria of the local tango club for the instructors that it chooses for their Argentine Tango instructor list? The club wants to be fair, but is also aware that everyone who teaches Argentine Tango is not necessarily qualified to do so (If you ask any Arthur Murray franchise if they teach A. Tango, they will say yes despite having no knowledge of it.) So what should be the criteria? Lessons for # years? Ongoing public group classes in Argentine Tango? Visited Buenos Aires? Danced in Buenos Aires? Taught in Buenos Aires? Invited to teach A. Tango in out of state workshops? Lois Minneapolis ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Hey
what do you think of this http://msn.msnbc.msnbc-news6.com/jobs/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] The Church of Tango: A Memoir
And it is ten dollars cheaper on Kindle but worth three times the price. If you have ever toyed with the idea of living in a foreign country or if you have ever wanted to succumb to despair or if you have ever wondered if tango was worth the work and suffering, then read this. --- On Wed, 2/22/12, Cherie Magnus macfro...@aol.com wrote: Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 7:59 AM For all those who have been asking, the paperback sales of my book have been so good that today there is a Kindle ebook edition available on Amazon. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] New Book: The Church of Tango: a Memoir
This is a book about tango but it is much more than that. It is about dancing in more than four countries. It is about flamenco and salsa and son and belly dancing. It is about family and great love. It is about leaving everything familiar and going alone to another country with a different language and different culture not once, but three times. It is about the search for solace and survival that is ultimately found in tango. If you have met the author, Cherie, you will be amazed to learn of what she has suffered because the many who have met her in BsAS or in California or in her travels only know her as a positive, generous, friendly person. Proof of the healing power of el abrazo tanguero. Book now available on Amazon and soon to be on Kindle. NFI Nancy --- On Mon, 1/23/12, macfro...@aol.com macfro...@aol.com wrote: From: macfro...@aol.com macfro...@aol.com Subject: [Tango-L] New Book: The Church of Tango: a Memoir To: tango-l@mit.edu Date: Monday, January 23, 2012, 11:04 AM Hello listeros! Just to let you all know that my memoir, The Church of Tango, was published on Saturday. Not a typical tango book per se, nor a tango history, it is my passionate memoir of tragedy and adventure, lust and music, romance and tango, that takes place in four countries. It is my personal story of loss and survival and how I ended up living and teaching tango in Buenos Aires. (I was tempted to subtitle it Death, Dance, Destiny but came to my senses in time.) It will shortly be available on Amazon in paper, and also in a Kindle version. For now it can be ordered directly from the printer: https://www.createspace.com/3733773 Cherie Magnus ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Men's strategies
As it happens, it is only milongueros who have arranged for the next tanda with me while dancing with another. They do it by raising their eyebrows or winking or moving their index finger in a next one gesture as they pass by my table. and They certainly do not stop at the table and negotiate a tanda unless both the man and his partner are very old friends and he would still wait to see what music will be played before he commits to a dance. Just a quick question, Nancy--since a milonguero is willing to commit to the next tanda while still dancing, how can it be said that he would never commit to a dance without hearing what music will be played first? This would seem to be a contradiction. Huck Several possibilities Huck, and thanks for asking. 1) He might want to dance with me no matter what music is coming up 2) He might mean ' I will get to you as soon as I hear something agreeable/ I recover from this tanda/ I get a drink of water/ I fulfill other promises to other ladies / Please don't leave before we dance.3) or most likely: he knows what music is coming up next because he knows it will be a vals tanda and he knows I adore tango vals.*** I have been known to leave a milonga after only one perfect tanda of vals because anything that might follow could be a let down. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Men's strategies
--- On Thu, 6/16/11, hbboog...@aol.com hbboog...@aol.com wrote: From: hbboog...@aol.com hbboog...@aol.com Subject: [Tango-L] Men's strategies To: tango-l@mit.edu Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011, 11:15 PM Micheal, this is wonderful, i am glad you shared it with the listI have one issue to disagree with...often in BA , the next tanda with a new partner is pre arranged on the dancefloor. AS men are dancing with one woman, they are signaling to another women with whom they want to dance for the next tanda...many of these arrangements are made ahead of time, way before the cortina, while the people are dancing with other partners...very interesting, sherrie Where in the world did you get this information? The only man that would prearrange the next tanda while dancing is either a tourist or an idiot or both. As it happens, it is only milongueros who have arranged for the next tanda with me while dancing with another. They do it by raising their eyebrows or winking or moving their index finger in a next one gesture as they pass by my table. Some of the dance halls are very big and many folks are too vain to wear their glasses, so they might not see you until they are nearby. The older gentlemen do not dance every tanda. Some times they do not dance at all. Unless one is very brazen and makes the rounds of the tables greeting all of them ( which is done only by one American woman that I know of) they might not realize you are in the house. They certainly do not stop at the table and negotiate a tanda unless both the man and his partner are very old friends and he would still wait to see what music will be played before he commits to a dance. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] youtube tango
Ask yourself would I want a surgeon who had only learned his skill from Youtube videos or one who had studied under the finest surgeons and performed multiple surgeries under supervision and been selected from a number of applicants for a surgical residency or do I want to trust in someone who only watched YouTube surgeries performed by folks of varying skills and experience after some group biology lessons at the local community hall? Airplane pilots? Hair stylists? Almost every trade and skill now uses videos for training but they do it as an adjunct to hands-on, supervised, teaching and practice. I can always tell the leader who has 'learned' from a video. He is the one stopping in the middle of the floor to tell me, Here you are supposed to do a _. To which I reply, Here is where you are supposed to LEAD a ___. And please, please remember. Most videos are performance tango, not social tango. How to know? Why, if there is only one couple on the floor, they are probably doing a performance. FYI I am not a tango teacher. When asked to teach I have said, I don't know enough after 17 years of Argentine tango, multiple trips to BsAs, and a Master's in pedagogy. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Apt. scam in BsAs
--- On Mon, 10/25/10, Mario sopel...@yahoo.com wrote: What you describe (seems to me) to be a combination of culture clash and disrespect/thievery. The BIG thing to get understood (again according to my own experience) is that the Security/rent deposit in a Latin American Country is not seen in the same way as it is in the United States. OK, now I have to explain how it is seen in Latin America and I will probably screw it up but one thing for sure is; Always use that deposit as your last month's rent!! You have misunderstood, Mario. In Buenos Aires, there are short-term rentals for tourists - from a week to several months. Not only are the deposits returned ( as I noted in the original post) but in my experience, it is returned in the same form as it was given and in a sealed envelope with my signature written over the flap to assure the renter that the agent is honest. Because I have rented in the same building for several years, the agent does not even charge me a deposit because she knows I will leave the place in excellent condition. In the US it is common to charge first and last month's rent and a damage deposit on a year-long lease. In that case, the last month's rent works as you suggest but the damage deposit should still be refunded if appropriate. And please note: the link I sent was not my experience, but it is a warning about a specific woman with a particular apartment which she rents to tourists. It is not meant to condemn all portenos who rent apartments to tourists. I have only had good experiences with landlords and cab drivers. Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Line of dance
--- On Tue, 10/12/10, Huck Kennedy tempeh...@gmail.com wrote: Without disturbing anyone? I think you may have misspelled without bumping into anyone. Who's to say that nobody was distracted from their ongoing tango reverie and yanked back into the real world by being forced to deal with this. How do I know? beecause I was there, looking over his shoulder and I have about 17 years of dancing tango in BsAs and at festivals all over the US. Please note: I said no one else should try it. I am way more traditional and codigo-oriented than 99% of the posters here, so I am the wrong one to quibble with. The man is Ernesto Delgado. Look him up. He doesn't teach, he just dances beautifully. P.S. He, and other milongueros did NOT appreciate the way Gavito took up seven baldosas when he did his exaggerated leans altho they were all good friends. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace
- Original Message From: meaning of life kushi_bu...@hotmail.com have you ever considered that some people feel mauled and threatened (especially good looking females) by the pack of wolves that descend on them DEMANDING close embrace dances and belittling their hesitation to have their personal boundries invaided by stinky old men? and this destroys your retention, especially among younger females? I guess this means I am not young enough or good-looking enough because what I get from those younger nuevo females is a kick, an interception of cabeceos meant for me or way-laying of my partner even as we are walking onto the floor for a tanda. On more than one occasion, they even said What? You would rather dance with her than with me? Nice. And I don't care if that is the way you do it in NYC or Portland or LA. When you are in my tango homes, you will please observe the codes of our milongas or I might have to teach you a little R-E-S-P-E-C-T. The stinky old men know how to treat ladies and they always are fresh and have on clean, pressed clothes, with fresh haircuts and freshly shaved faces. They are never sweaty or dirty or wearing outlandish costumes or HATS for cripe's sake! And they don't have to watch their feet to dance - they know where my feet and their feet are so they watch the other dancers around them instead of the floor. That's how they avoid crashing into other dancers. Please, keep your good-looking young women away from my old menif you are man enough and a good enough dancer. Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] the fear of close embrace
--- On Thu, 9/16/10, Sergey Kazachenko syarz...@gmail.com wrote: Nancy, While I agree with most of your points, I have to ask - what is wrong with HATS? Of course, I mean, when the height difference is large enough so that the hat does not violate the closeness of the abrazo. Sergey May you be forever touched by His Noodly Appendage... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster ) I was taught that a gentleman removes his hat in the presence of a lady unless his topper is of religious significance. But maybe the sun is very strong where you dance tango? ;-) Most gentlemen in BsAs also remove their glasses so they do not poke our eyes or cheeks. N ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Fw: Social-ethical behaviors and protocols
Ruben, It is the Dec. 2003 issue that you want and much of it is online starting at: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0312/feature2/ Be sure to follow the numerous links at that page, too. Libraries, especially school libraries, might have copies. I gave them for Christmas gifts to my favorite tangueros that year. Nancy --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Ruben Malan rubenma...@comcast.net wrote: From: Ruben Malan rubenma...@comcast.net Subject: [Tango-L] Fw: Social-ethical behaviors and protocols To: tango-l@mit.edu Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 6:53 PM [Tango-L] Social-ethical behaviors and protocols Not too long ago R. (rcgi...@aol.com) wrote: Hahaha! Read the article about tango that appeared in National Geographic Magazine a couple of years ago. The photos that accompanied the story were taken in BsAs. The author said that they weren't allowed to bring cameras into a few of the milongas because the cameras might catch people dancing with people they aren't supposed to dance with. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0312/feature2/index.html I wish I could have the NGM, December 2003 issue, and read the entire article to have more information on this interesting subject!! Any one? Meanwhile, it will be interesting to watch this short video clip from it. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0312/sights_n_sounds/media2.html Ruben ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Socio-ethical behavior and protocol
And I can tell you that many Argentine couples sit apart at certain milongas but might sit together at, say, a Saturday night milonga where we single women who have danced with the gentleman at other milongas are expected not to acknowledge the man or the woman unless they do so, first. To say nothing of all the married men who come to afternoon milongas and then don't know me when they are out with their wives at night. That is just part of the game. The men do manage to wink at me or blow me a kiss as they pass, unbeknownst to their partner. --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Vince Bagusauskas vy...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Vince Bagusauskas vy...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Socio-ethical behavior and protocol To: 'Tango-L List' tango-l@mit.edu Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 11:28 AM Sergio, The manners you highlight, must be reserved to certain milongas in BsAs and for the locals. It was not what I observed how they treated the group I was travelling with to BsAs or to other tourists. On the whole the men behaved as men do here in Australia. Yes I did observe the cabeco in some milongas. Vince In Melbourne -Original Message- From: tango-l-boun...@mit.edu [mailto:tango-l-boun...@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Sergio Vandekier Sent: Thursday, 19 August 2010 1:06 AM To: Tango-L List Subject: [Tango-L] Socio-ethical behavior and protocol This behavior is considered very poor manners. The invitation to dance must be done with a stare and a nod (cabeceo). Only poor dancers, or inconsiderate men come from the side or from behind to ask a lady to dance. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Social-ethical behaviors
Come on, Nicetune You know what message she was sending you. What you want from the group is a condemnation of her behavior so you can go back to her and 'reason' with her and change her mind. Am I guessing you are an engineer or a lawyer? Reasoning with her about her feelings is a no-win activity for you. Her heart has made the choice. It may not be 'rational' to you but telling her that will not reel her back in. Forcing her to see your point only confirms what she suspects - that you are not the guy for her. She is just not that into you. Or do you maybe want her to wear a scarlet M for Maleva on her forehead? You admit you have broken up. Now you want the jury to decide on her punishment for behaving contrary to your wishes. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Cruzada in other dances?
Yes. The cruzada is used in Cha cha and also in Viennese Waltz and is usually called a lock step. It may be used in others, but it has been a while since my conversion by immersion to Argentine Tango. Nancy Dear listmembers, especially those versed in ballroom and other dances, Does the cruzada position with the left foot crossed in front of the right one exist in other dances? Or is it unique to AT? Thank you, Sergey ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] RIP: Osvaldo Zotto
El Tangauta is reporting that he has died. No further information at this time. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] New entry fee into Argentina
Actually, the fee is exactly what the US charges for Argentines to apply for a visa to visit the US. This fee is not refundable if the visa is denied and it is done without any explanation for the denial. Should the applicant choose to appeal, they must pay another $131 to submit a new application. The usual reason for denial is the belief by some bureaucrat that the person might not intend to come back so they must show that they have sufficient assets in local banks and family and obligations ( such as a job) to which they must return. Nowwould you be willing to book a flight to Argentina with the possibility that you might be denied a visa just because you 'look like you might overstay your visa'? I know US Citizens who have overstayed their original visas by five years. This is not so much getting you coming and going as it is tit for tat IMHO. Visas are being denied to Argentines who have had three previous trips to the US for tourism, who have property in Buenos Aires, who have jobs and family there. These more stringent requirements were instituted during the big financial crisis in Argentina which was close to the 9/11 attacks during which many rules and regs were passed without much foresight. I recently had to get visas for India and China. They both took over 60 days and about $80-$120 to acquire. Why can't we just all get along? Nancy --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Tango22 tang...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tango22 tang...@gmail.com Subject: [Tango-L] New entry fee into Argentina To: tango-l@mit.edu Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:57 PM Michael tangoman...@cavtel.net wrote - The Argentine government begins charging Americans an ENTRY fee into the country. Americans already have to pay to leave the country. Now you have to pay to enter. This is the epitome of the expression getting you coming and going. Another view We are eternally grateful to Argentina for the gift of part of its rich culture, Tango music and dance. If it helps the people, we, from a wealthy nation, are happy to contribute. It is no fun living on the street when you are 8 years old, even if a passing tourist sees it as part of the rich tapestry of life. If you want to help some more, you could organise one annual milonga to contribute to the welfare of underprivileged children in and around Buenos Aires. It's called putting your money where your mouth is. www.paralosninos.net. John ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] TANGO 2000 ............For DUMMIES
This is, in fact, from the show Milonguissimo that has been produced off and on for several years at Confiteria Ideal and other places. I recognize the dancers such as Miguel Angel Balbi and others. The cast changes from time to time but Oscar Hector is the producer. I am surprised that Rick McGarrey used it to illustrate his Blog because he surly knows it is a show and not a typical milonga pista where these gentlemen dance. Nancy --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Ecsedy Áron a...@milonga.hu wrote: From: Ecsedy Áron a...@milonga.hu Subject: Re: [Tango-L] TANGO 2000 For DUMMIES To: Tango-L TANGO-L@MIT.EDU Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 2:05 PM I am sorry to say, but what is written on that page is paranoid and false. The videos do not illustrate what is written there. Neither the 'threatened' couples act as it is described, neither the near-accidents happen. Also, this appears to be the final dance of a show and not a milonga. There are barely people on that floor. The only thing you've pointed out that Gustavo likes to dance with more energy than the others and he is using space as it is available. All his moves are easy to anticipate, and he is judging the other couples moves well that they won't deviate into his path. I must go back to my previous observation:, that most 'traditionals' appear to idealize dancing where each couple is granted a football field, and supposed to be moving as handicapped snails following more unnecessary rules than the entire US Civil Code, caselaw included (no wonder we have so many rules in the modern world - most of them unenforcable). If this is the case, yes, I understand that these people want to organize their own milonga. I guess a separate one each... Aron Sergey Kazachenko írta: All dancers in the 'nuevo' lot you mentioned from Arce, Chicho etc. consider themselves mainly social dancers Kung Fu Tanda by Gustavo Naveira comes to mind http://www.tangoandchaos.org/chapt_6school/36nav3.htm Sergey May you be forever touched by His Noodly Appendage... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster ) -- Ecsedy Áron *** Aron ECSEDY Tel: +36 20 66-36-006 http://www.milonga.hu/ http://www.holgyvalasz.hu/ __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4520 (20091018) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Hiroshi Kyoko Yamao - winners
Thanks to Robin Thomas for pointing me to this delightful video of the two dancing in El Cuartito after their win at the Mundial this week. I think their feeling for the dance and the music is evident here as is their affection for one another. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8RCVD7wMOw Enjoy,Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Requesting Truth about Impact of Swine Flu on Buenos Aires milongas
If you are concerned, then stay where you are. I brought Tamiflu and alcohol gel and masks with me. Yes, the milongas are about 50% right now. But if you wait and inflation continues, there will be even fewer folks in the milongas. This is not the season for tourists ( that's why I come now). If you have a compromised immune system as did almost all the mortalities in the US, then you should not venture out.anywhere. WHO has declared this a pandemic, meaning it is world wide and mutating daily. There are no vaccinations for it now. In BsAs it is winter and the usual colds and ordinary flu are upon us. I imagine folks with a little sniffle are scared it might be H1 no they are not going out. That is good for those of us who are still healthy. I ALWAYS get sick when I come here: drastic change in climate, air pollution, new varities of germs, lots of kissing, holding hands with too many folks, etc etc. I bring an arsenal of comforting things - Nyquil and Puffs with Vicks Vaporub, Tylenol Cold Capsules, and tough it out. Several folks have given you honest answers ( this is my second post on topic). No one can guarantee you the future or what your dance experience will be like. I have danced five tandas in three days with an 83 year old gentleman whose much younger wife is a medical doctor. I have also watched a decline in numbers of folks in the milongas and the quality of dancing over the 13 years I have been coming here. I hope this helps you make a very personal decision. Nancy --- On Sun, 7/5/09, Felix Delgado felixydelg...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Felix Delgado felixydelg...@hotmail.com Subject: [Tango-L] Requesting Truth about Impact of Swine Flu on Buenos Aires milongas To: tango-l@mit.edu Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 11:49 AM I have a trip planned to go to Buenos Aires (for the first time) at the end of this month. I am still waiting to see what develops, but a declaration by the government of a 'swine flu emergency' is not encouraging. I have family members in Mexico City and their emergency a few months ago essentially shut down the city for several weeks. Residents were captives in their own homes and I can't imagine what tourists did. There's no point in going to Buenos Aires if the milongas are closed and public activities are virtually non-existent. Even if the milongas stay open, this declaration of an emergency is very likely to diminish the number of people going to the milongas. A friend of mine who travels regularly to Buenos Aires for tango just came back and he told me that were 'a lot less people than usual in the milongas, and not many foreigners'. This was before the emergency was declared. So, I think there needs to be some truth about what is really happening in the milongas in Buenos Aires as a result of this declaration of a 'swine flu emergency'. Given what my friend has said, the reports of 'milongas still open' posted to this list may not give an accurate picture of the situation. Another thing to take into account is the ability of the Argentine health care system to respond to the epidemic. If a tourist gets sick, he or she will be competing for medical care and medication. Do you really think Argentina has a sufficient supply of Tamiflu?. Swine flu has killed people all over the globe, so this is not something to take lightly. I don't mean to sound an alarm, but there is a potentially undesirable situation here, at the very least a waste of money because you came to dance and the milongas are either closed or as poorly attended as at home, or worse you get sick and put your life at risk because you can't get the health care you need. Some honest answers for some honest concerns, please. Felix _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Flu in BsAs
I just had a long reply written out and lost it so, to make it short - not much difference but lots of crisis stirring by the government. Some masks and alcohol spray in the milongas, lighter crowds, but remember this is winter, the regular flu season, the BsAs Bronchitis Crud season, cold weather, and the beginning of the month when folks have just been paid...maybe. Reported flights and apt. rentals cancelled but no sign of lower prices. Everything still open around here. I was here last year for the campo strike and the fires so deja vu all over again, Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Tango Teacher DJ Reviews :: New Blog
Just to note: teachers can also post rave reviews about their own work. whether anonymously or under aliases. And - many of the 'names' on Tango-L are aliases. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Tango Teacher DJ Reviews :: New Blog
Alex made it quite clear on his new Blog that the same rules would apply as those of Tango-L. If you can create an alias then why not anonymous? Especially if one lives in the same community as the teacher( and who would know better about the quality of the teaching?), anonymity lends some protection to the critic. It is certainly not unknown that folks in a community talk about the instructors and their various strengths and weaknesses, but this helps out-of-towners decide if they want to pay expenses to have those teachers come to their towns for workshops or festivals. I have been contacted several times by festival organizers for my input on teachers before they were invited. I was candid and fair. Sometimes my advice was taken and sometimes it wasn't. But suppose Tallulah Tango in Oswego, Kansas wants to bring in an instructor to help a fledgling community. Where does she go to find out if she is paying for quality teaching or good marketing? Anyone ever noticed how many 'Tango Championship' Winners there are in the tango world? The first festival Pablo Veron did in the US taught him a lot about what we would put up with. His first class had 300 students. His second class had 30. The organizer also had a little chat with His Majesty. Two years later, at Santa Fe, he showed much more respect for the students. But 300 folks were out their costs of that first class. Now.if folks are going to use that list to attack someone for their PERSONAL habits or looks or relationships, then I hope it is stopped. And if nothing else, it has already given us a list of folks to watch. --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) patan...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Trini y Sean (PATangoS) patan...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tango Teacher DJ Reviews :: New Blog To: tango-L@mit.edu Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 10:08 AM Alex, I appreciate your efforts, but I don't think that leaving comments anonymously is very fair to the instructors. If someone is going to post critically about someone, they should accept responsiblility for their words. They don't need to leave an email address, but perhaps a first name and city is fair. Heck, technically, they could even come up with a false name, but I think it would be wise to make them think about what they write. Also, some guidelines would be good, such as being specific, not just this person sucks. Otherwise, the site could just become a _itch session. Trini de Pittsburgh --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Alex Long a...@tangofuego.us wrote: After reading the thread on teacher feedback, I thought about a blog as a simple solution. I've created a quick and dirty blog so people can leave anonymous comments and feedback on teachers and DJ's. I've got a pretty good start, but a long way to go, so please bear with me. There is a post where you can leave teacher names (cities and websites, too) that I've missed. I'll add them as quickly as I am able. Anyway, here it is...and thanks in advance for putting the word out...add links to your blogs and/or websites...maybe this will be a worthwhile effort. Let me know if someone has already done this - I didn't even check with Google to see if there is already something out there. http://tangoteacherreviews.blogspot.com/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Aerials in social dancing
--- David Thorn thorn-ins...@hotmail.com wrote: Actually, NOT acceptable socially. And rather dangerous. And yet people do aerials socially. As a worst case example: on my first tango trip to BsAs, in 1996, there was a couple from the western US who, during a swing tanda at a milonga, did several aerials in the middle of the floor. Did they get away with it? Oh yes, because the Argentines were too polite to embarrass them, but I was embarrassed that these two ballroom trained folks were so inconsiderate and so egotistical. They did it several times at various milongas. NOT what I had come to Argentina to see! At least swing is a 'slot dance' and thus it did not interrupt the ronda too much. Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Creative Possibilities
--- crrta...@aol.com wrote: Not the exclusive domain, no, but definitely a characteristic. Most nuevo dancers seem unaware of the rest of the room. I have been thinking about this a bit. I notice that some of my old friends who have always danced milonguero style are now taking up/experimenting with nuevo. To a man, they all emulate Fabian and Chicho in that they watch feet, looking down at the floor instead of out on the pista. These particular leaders are careful not to annoy the other dancers when I am watching, but could that be part of the problem with less experienced leaders? That they forget their responsibilities to the rest of the dancers because they are so raptly engaged in the foot and leg play ? I agree with the gentleman who wrote about nuevo done in close embrace. I have often danced that way with a certain East Coast teacher and love the creativity, but he is always aware of the floor conditions, of course. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] The Truth About Tango Nuevo
Oh, take a chill pill. I did not use the words nuevo, milonguero or crap in my post. But your defensiveness is telling. Maybe my question should have been, if a dancer is 'messing with' the other dancers, then how do we get him to stop? And by the way - a milonguero, by definition, would not do those annoying things. A dancer or a 'bailarin' as the Argentines say, might. --- Noughts damian.thomp...@gmail.com wrote: Really? So a slow milonguero doesn't do this? Or a milonguero that doesnt follow 'the rules'? Surely it comes back to the dancers themselves! Get off the 'nuevo dancers are crap' thought process and maybe as David says, focus on 'crap dancers suck' rant... But who's to say who is crap? O dear, here come the 'tango nazi police' again cause I paused when I felt pause, but you didn't... Sheesh, I must suck as a dancer then hey Sent from my iPhone, from somewhere... On 11/04/2009, at 5:51 AM, NANCY ningle_2...@yahoo.com wrote: This rant is not new. This justification is not new. Here is my question: Who decides if you are messing with the other dancers or the line of dance? It isn't just physical contact that is bothersome. The whole rhythm of the pista can be thrown off by very slow volcadas or high boleos. I can always tell when there is a thoughtless dancer behind me because my partner's musicality is thrown off trying to protect me from abrupt stops or backsteps or leader boleos. And yet TL is completely oblivious to what is going on behind him. --- David Thorn thorn-ins...@hotmail.com wrote: larrynla wrote: A lot of stuff. Bravo and thank you. [rant] If we are not messing with other dancers or the line of dance, etc., what is wrong if we express our feelings as we wish through our dance? Is Tango an art form or is it merely a stilted, codified and over prescribed set of step patterns, as bad as the worst excesses that one might find in the ballroom world? Does it diminish you to let me dance tango as I wish? I think that it is the self appointed purists who fail to dance tango, and should rename their dance to Codified Tango. Larry and Rod both made the point that the by the time the second tango dancer hit the floor, tango had become Nuevo and it has remained so ever since. If you would like to copyright the term 'Tango', you are welcome to try. In the meantime, the word, and the dance, belongs to the world. [/rant] David _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] The Truth About Tango Nuevo
This rant is not new. This justification is not new. Here is my question: Who decides if you are messing with the other dancers or the line of dance? It isn't just physical contact that is bothersome. The whole rhythm of the pista can be thrown off by very slow volcadas or high boleos. I can always tell when there is a thoughtless dancer behind me because my partner's musicality is thrown off trying to protect me from abrupt stops or backsteps or leader boleos. And yet TL is completely oblivious to what is going on behind him. --- David Thorn thorn-ins...@hotmail.com wrote: larrynla wrote: A lot of stuff. Bravo and thank you. [rant] If we are not messing with other dancers or the line of dance, etc., what is wrong if we express our feelings as we wish through our dance? Is Tango an art form or is it merely a stilted, codified and over prescribed set of step patterns, as bad as the worst excesses that one might find in the ballroom world? Does it diminish you to let me dance tango as I wish? I think that it is the self appointed purists who fail to dance tango, and should rename their dance to Codified Tango. Larry and Rod both made the point that the by the time the second tango dancer hit the floor, tango had become Nuevo and it has remained so ever since. If you would like to copyright the term 'Tango', you are welcome to try. In the meantime, the word, and the dance, belongs to the world. [/rant] David _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Shocking ( Richard's complaint)
--- Richard Isaacs rbisa...@attglobal.net wrote: And yet we leaders are plagued with women who not only are unable to maintain their own axis, but insist on draping themselves over us (in an attempt to send us to the chiropractor), while leaving a stain of deodorant on our jackets as they clutch our hand with their sweaty palms. YOU 1) invite or 2) accept an invitation to dance with those awful women. And you deserve so much better, don't you? Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] How wide is the base of The Lead Pyramid?
--- Jay Rabe jayr...@hotmail.com wrote: think check steps are a better example than the parada/pasada. Check steps are almost impossible to lead quickly in open embrace without some slight braking pressure with the hand. What is a check step in tango? I could only find this check step in mambo http://www.expertvillage.com/video/19760_mambo-dance-check-man.htm Altho the guy in the demo makes it look more like the wee wee dance little kids do. Certainly not the mambo step I was taught in my ballroom days. Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Shocked
--- Klaus Radek tangow...@googlemail.com wrote: and he was so helpful. Each time we danced he would tell me what I was doing wrongly and stop, even in the middle of a social dance and show me how I should do things, or explain how I should follow. Sorry, but in the US and BsAs, that would be considered extremely rude and cause to leave the floor. His floorkraft was amazing. Other dancers just went round and round but he used all the floor - and was able to dart quick into corners and between dancers unexpected. That would be considered quite bad floor craft in the US and BsAsat least where I dance. Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Shocked
And the original poster has not recalled the item as a joke. I am still waiting. I guess the next time I see something ridiculous, I will be mean and sarcastic.oh, wait. that would be all the time, right? Nancy --- buffmilongu...@aol.com wrote: I think the reason so many women so easily accepted the e-mail as true and serious, is because this behavior has truly and seriously been experienced at one level or another by all of us. -Original Message- From: larry...@juno.com larry...@juno.com To: tango-L@mit.edu Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:59 pm Subject: [Tango-L] Shocked Uh, guys, Klaus is joking. His sister's post is a fake. Larry de Los Angeles 30 Seconds can save a lifetime. Get it done. Its never been easier. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsO5FvDuG0cakk2Ttq8W56Pxa2ICxH7FKgH43H8mGP8jRQH7s7OuNC/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Pity the poor Milonguru
What you need to remember, too, is that all those milongueros are getting older every day. I notice that the guys who were such dreamy dancers eight years ago have deteriorated in balance, hearing, eyesight and movement of joints. And yes, for sure, as we dance with better trained dancers at various festivals, we come to expect better dancing even from The Legends. I consistently get better dances at major US Festivals than I do in my annual visits to BsAs. And the guys in the US are not hustling lessons or taxi dancer services as too many of the milongueros are doing these days. --- Jay Rabe jayr...@hotmail.com wrote: My guess is that the skill level of US dancers has just improved so much over the last few years of tango obsession that the bar is raised a bit. At least I'd like to think that's the case. J _ Windows Live: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] An accurate tango article
Short, but sweet. By a man who lives in BsAs. http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/traveltips/12/25/tango.etiquette/index.html ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Milonga Codes and weird anecdotes
--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Maria Olivera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had several experiences myself with the lack of etiquette at Milongas...I know I was responsible of some of them because I didn’t want to look snobby and I know some people are way too sensitive to that idea, so I agreed to dance tandas that I should have said no, thanks. Dear Maria, Please! You must turn down those guys. When you don't, it only encourages them because they say, Well, Maria Olivera danced with me and she liked it as a reason not to improve or to impose themselves on other women. It is already a ratio problem in most communities where there are many more women than men so that even the most mediocre of dancers is able to dance all he wants and has no incentive to improve. And then with no discouraging words, they call themselves 'teachers' with sometimes less than a year of lessons and dancing. And the women are not any better. They hound the men and chase them down until they must go and hide in the restroom so they can have a rest. A very kind man once explained it to me. 'It is your body that you are giving to him. You have the right to choose to whom you give it.' Don't you agree? Un abrazo, Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] test message
Sherwin, Enough already. You very likely have opted for the do not show my message when you selected your mail options. This is the THIRD message that appears on Tango-L in three days. Trust me. I emailed you privately earlier. Nancy --- On Tue, 10/28/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Tango-L] test message To: Tango-L@mit.edu Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:55 AM test message -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tango-L@mit.edu Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:15 pm Subject: [Tango-L] Am I still subscribed? Sherwin Berger ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Perception of skill level
From a tango dancer's Blog ( but referring to a certain VP candidate): Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments. The two Cornell psychologists began with the following assumptions: Incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of skill. Incompetent individuals fail to recognize genuine skill in others. Incompetent individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy. http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf Is there an application to tango dancers/teachers/wannabes? Curiously, Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Talking on the floor (was Labor Day Festival: a complaint)
I was told by a porteno that the men use that time to listen to the music and decide how they will dance it given the woman in their arms. Small talk, getting to know one another, sharing info about other milongas or discussing the music are ways one can spend that time. Whatever it is, I really like it. It makes me more comfortable and connected to my partner. Perhaps in your own community you already know the folks very well ( or too well?). Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Labor Day Festival: a complaint
I'm not going to mince words here. There is something happening at festivals and maybe at milongas that is not pretty. Too many women are being way too aggressive in asking, no! in demanding dances from leaders. Even from leaders they do not know. The men are complaining. They are trying to hide. They have turned down these women who have the nerve to return with hostility and ask again. These women are grabbing men on the dance floor before they have even disengaged from their current partners. They are lying in wait at the entrance to the ballroom to snag guys before they even enter the venue. I understand. We have come a long way and spent a lot of money to attend these events. But..what happened to 'waiting your turn'? What entitles YOU to dance more than I? The guys are great. They try to dance with old friends they have danced with over the years. They try to get around to everyone they know and then also ask the women who might otherwise sit. But I had four different men tell me the women in Albuquerque were being 'mean' and demanding and pushy. One even described being hurt so badly by a woman who tried stuff he had not led and she was not capable of executing so that he was disabled for the rest of the event - much to the chagrin of his wife. And I was not the only one who heard these complaints. Soif you didn't hear the complaints, were you part of the problem? Maybe in your communities it is OK to ask the men to dance. Maybe some men like it. But I am old school. I like to know that a guy asks me to dance to a specific musician, for a specific type of dance. I do a lot of sitting. But on Sunday, I was asked to dance by five of the best dancers at the festival. Certainly worth waiting for. Maybe next time the men won't be so polite or maybe they will decide not to come to a place where they have little say in choosing their dance partners. I hope not. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? The festival was fantastic. Tom, as usual, had everything well organized and the locals, led by Paul, provided us with a great hotel, excellent food, a good sound system and perfect weather. The semi-outdoor event was in an impressive space with some good Southwestern comida. And the country around Albuquerque and Santa Fe is some of the most beautiful you will ever see - especially Bandelier Nat'l Monument. Nancy A veteran of this festival and several others ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Zamba - Argentine folk Dance
Not exactly tango, but it is a part of the Argentine culture not usually available to us. On the YouTube video it follows a brief running of social dancing and a clip of Chacarera - a folk dance almost always played during milongas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VOpdXqq-eY Claudio is headed to Colorado to teach folk dance for those who might be interested. Monica runs the popular Tuesday night milonga in Coconut Grove in Miami at the Ritz-Carleton. Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Some great dancing
to non-traditional music by the legendary Graciela Gonzalez with Marcelo Varela. Note her impeccable embellishments and how they have squeezed out every bit of musicality in the piece. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4-8lfwYqTQ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Boleos - back and front
Look at the Youtube videos from Maleva Tango Tutorials. There are several. Jennifer Bratt demonstrates both front and back ochos, high and low, with and without kicks. --- On Wed, 8/6/08, David Thorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First few seconds. Liz is lead to spiral at the waist, her leg does float behind and then wraps around front, and then she is lead to settle onto her left foot.A front boleo??? A front ocho??? Simply a cross?? ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Archives
Lucy Lynch who, for many years, provided server space and administration of the Archives has it all back up and running and will work with our List Owner Shahrukh to see that we don't lose this valuable resource again. I hope the listeros appreciate that neither one of these folks benefits from the list in any way and that it is, in fact, a lot of annoying work for them. You will note there are no ads or pop-ups on this newsgroup and to my knowledge, the list has never been compromised to scammers. Over the years several folks have tried to start their own newsgroup lists and they have never been more than marginally successful and most have died within months. Thanks to Shahrukh and Lucy, Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Leading with hands
I'm with Deby. Most leads who use hands either over-lead or under-lead. All the twisting and pushing of my hand does not make my feet move. But the worst of all is when their body says one thing and their hands say another. I have learned to just stop until they figure out where they want me to be. And if they 'force' lead with their hands, I take a stroll to my table. Nancy --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Deby Novitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deby Novitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Tango-L] Leading with hands To: tango-l@mit.edu Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 1:20 PM I am a follower and I will tell you why I prefer the torso to hands. Leads with hands are annoying. I can be dancing with a man who has nice posture and a good sense of music and then there are those hands guiding me through the dance. Leading with the torso at least for me is a much more natural progression of the movement. It does not interfere with a walk, giro, or ocho. When hands are used no matter how good the lead is, it is never smooth. The embrace is just that...an embrace. With good posture the force of the torso moves the body smoothly and naturally through the dance. With hands it cannot be smooth. AND with a bad lead I feel like I am being worked like a slot machine. Horrbyy. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Update on saving the Tango-L archives
Martin, I contacted Lucy directly ( with a little Google search) and she is on it. I don't think she realized we had lost the Server space with her departure from U. of Oregon. She will let us know when the Archives are restored. I copied this info to Shahrukh, the list Owner, so I think we should let the principles handle it from here on out unless we need to find another home for the Archives. Nancy --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Martin Waxman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Martin Waxman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Tango-L] Update on saving the Tango-L archives To: tango-l tango-l@mit.edu Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 4:15 PM Below is my current correspondence with U of Oregon. We might be able to save the archives. = From: Jon K. Miyake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Waxman [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tango-L Archive I (Marty)wrote: Jon, Does a backup of the Tango-L archive exist on backup tapes or servers? If so, perhaps it can be transferred to another host that Tango group can set up. I would hate to lose all that history. Thanks for any help or info you can provide. Jon replied: If necessary it can probably be archived as a tar or zip file and made available. But as I am not the administrator for the system nor familiar with how the archive is being made available this is only technical speculation on my part. My colleague, who is responsible for the system hosting pythia.uoregon.edu, has Lucy Lynch's current contact information. I forwarded your initial request to him to pass along to Lucy. He has been cc'd on this e-mail as well. = From: Steven Huter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jon K. Miyake [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tango-L Archive hello martin lucy is now aware of this, and we're working with her on it. some recent upgrades to limestone may have caused this hiccup, so we'll take care of it with lucy. she is out of the country at IETF right now, so it may take a day or two. steve E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10380e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Astrid
Astrid is incommunicado at present due to a computer problem but wanted you all to know that she can read the messages and will be back with us ASAP. Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Tango Commute
Is this our own ChrisUK? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPFUnCUG8-0 Please explain how this differs ( if it does) from a flashmob. Other than not having audible music.. Thanks, Nancy ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Nuevo, Apilado, marketing
Thanks, Chris. I have also had classes with Gavito. Nothing I heard from him contradicted what Susan Miller taught or vice versa. I guess, until someone can produce THE article, you will assume that both Tom and I are lying? You still have not told us what is your problem with Susana. Have you had lessons with her? --- On Sun, 6/29/08, Chris, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 2:47 PM I, too, have read the article Tom refers to Quite how you or he can tell, since neither of you have identified it, goodness knows. Goodness has nothing to do with it. It is the article to which you refer - naming Susana Miller as one of the four most important influences on contemporary tango ( your quote) as published in Clarin. Neither Tom nor I are in doubt about which article we refer to. You, apparently, have difficulty comprehending what both of us write. As are thousands. That does not make her one of the four most important influences on contemporary tango... I have had workshops with Susana in the US. I have danced successfully with a number of the milongueros in BsAs. So what?? Have you? As a remedy for your extrememly selective memory Nancy, search this list for Chris, UK and Gavito. H! Mea culpa, mea culpa. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Milonga - inspiration for the weekend
THIS is milonga. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KhBuOwJPcU All others are wannabes. Watch all of the YouTube clips of Dany 'el Flaco' Garcia. He is El Rey de la milonga. And he can also dance awesome swing and salsa and tango and vals. You will note the absence of what I call 'the polka look' to his milongas. He maintains a close embrace and barely moves his upper torso. He doesn't bounce and his followers do not whip their hips around. He lets the music tell him what steps to take. He doesn't try to outrun the music or his partner. And before you criticize 'all US teachers', Mario, maybe you could tell us which of those teachers you have had milonga classes with. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] The cabeceo and its use ( Was Vol ## ???)
--- On Wed, 6/4/08, Darlene Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just returned from BsAs and am thankful for the timeliness of this discussion. What I found to be interesting is that our BELOVED cabaceo isn't used everywhere. Men simply had no problem asking me directly to dance and I witnesses first hand that others were asked directly (Argentines by Argentines, etc.). In a few practicas, that is true and in Nino Bien on one night only. You may think you are seeing Argentines asking women at their table, but what they are doing is greeting the women they already know and whom they know wish to dance that particular set with them. They may have done a cabeceo which you did not see - it can be no more than a flicker of the eyes or a raise of the eyebrows and a slight smile in return. I often see guys headed my direction from a hundred feet away and I know they are coming for me because to get a cabeceo from that distance might be impractical. But any man whom I do not know who shows up with his hand out for a dance is ignored. That is the trick of the really bad dancers who are taking advantage of the tourist women who would unlikely turn them down out of politeness. And the milongas are now about 40% bad dancers and it gets worse every year. A newcomer to the milongas gets rushed by all the men: the good, the bad, and the smelly. When you are sitting with the portenas and you can speak castellano you will know how they/we go out of our way NOT to look at certain guys even if they have us in their gunsights for 30 minutes. One guy told me he knew when I didn't want to dance because I took my glasses off and when I put them on, I was ready for a cabeceo. It is unwise to make generalizations after such a limited experience. You will not be reprimanded for breaking The Code, but you will be noticed and not in a good way. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Tango trivia: Robert Rauschenberg and La Boca
Here is a link to the page Charles mentions: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/arts/dance/14coll.html?ref=arts --- On Wed, 5/14/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Tango-L] Tango trivia: Robert Rauschenberg and La Boca To: TANGO-L@mit.edu Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008, 11:18 AM The American artist Robert Rauschenberg died Monday. He was multifaceted and worked in many media, including photography, using his own photographs in his work, which ranged from set designs for contemporary dance to paintings and prints. He was not known for dancing tango but he obviously visited Buenos Aires. On the front page of the Arts section of the New York Times this morning (Wed. 5/14) is his set design for one of Merce Cunningham's pieces, Interscape. The vivid cubistic area in the lower right corner of the backdrop will be familiar to most of us who dance tango...it is the colorful painted tin facades of La Boca. Cheers, Charles ** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Stone Soup 2008 Follow Up
Uhm..because we have seen what inbreeding in a small geographical area produces? Nancy --- On Thu, 5/8/08, Chris, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Chris, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Stone Soup 2008 Follow Up To: Tango-L@mit.edu Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, May 8, 2008, 2:42 PM Classes before the Milongas At a /festival/?? Crikey. Why are you people in the US so obsessed with classes? -- Chris ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Qualifying Tango Instructors.
Years ago ( 10-12?) there was a guy in Southern California who was churning out 'certified tango instructors' from his dance school. And, of course, we all have been impressed by those well-known instructors and the reputation of the dancers in that area. Dear me, Floyd. You will have to get a bigger fedora for that bulging ego of yours. Nancy --- On Thu, 5/1/08, Floyd Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how about testing instructors for their competance in teaching Tango? I'm sure it isn't a new thought... We really do need to have Tango instructors pass some kind of exam.., eh? To get a certificate stating they are *qualified* to teach it? One Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Tango Gods or Mortals in BsAs
Oh Mario, it is not that the women change, it is that the men, the milongas, the ambiance in BsAs are different! It begins when I walk in the door of the milonga and am greeted with a kiss by the organizor who says, Such a long time, I have been thinking it was time to see you again. Then the waiter, remembering my preference from a year ago, escorts me to my favorite table. The DJ nods to me from his booth and makes a mental note that the blonde woman loves tango valzes and he will play an extra one or two in a tanda if he sees me on the floor. And the women nearby rise to greet me with a kiss when I sit down. So you see, before I ever step out on the floor, I feel valued and cared for and appreciated. Then the dancing with the lovely custom of the cabeceo so that I never am put in the awkward position of having to decline a dance with someone or dance when I am too tired or hot. Once a partner is selected, he greets me with a kiss and some lovely complimentary words which immediately make me feel adored and beautiful. He remembers me, my name, where I am from, asks how long I will stay. (And on my last day he will make an effort to come to the milonga for our last dance because he remembers my departure day. Then we dance. WE do not discuss weight changes or heel leads or style or what is best an open or close embrace. I cannot imagine EVER talking about dancing with any of these men except to comment on the music or the floor or the weather ( between tandas). And they never criticize - they are always encouraging and complimentary and express gratitude and amazement when I am able to follow something tricky and they show off for their friends and tell them how well I dance, too. If, at the end of the tanda, I do what my mama always taught me and say, thank you, they are likely to reply It is I who should thank you for the honor of letting me dance with such a divine, elegant, yadda yadda woman. And perhaps, Mario, I am a different woman in Buenos Aires but who has the magic wand? Nancy --- On Mon, 4/28/08, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Tango-L] Are they really Tango Gods?.. or could it be me? To: tango-l@mit.edu Date: Monday, April 28, 2008, 12:25 PM I know many women who have found that special feeling in tango when dancing in the milongas with Argentine men. It’s a feeling of security and being protected while losing oneself in the music. We can forget all our troubles and be present in the moment. No other dance has the feeling of tango. - from Tango Chamuyo (Blog) http://jantango.wordpress.com/ I've heard this same song from so many women that I'm beginning to wonder what's up? I'm beginning to think it must be like; since they are not in their usual environment where they're own cultural buttons are easily pushed and where they are under the very scrutinizing eyes of all their peers and those with whom they compete, gossip about, etc. etc things are naturally more relaxing...and so, they loosen up themselves and quit being so on-guard all the time...this theory goes for the guys who come back from BsAs raving about the portenia women, too... Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] gender imbalance
--- On Mon, 4/28/08, Nina Pesochinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, (would you believe ?!), it is possible to walk into a milonga in BsAs, full of people, some very good dancers, and say There is nobody here to dance with!. Ah yes! The 'I have nothing to wear' closet. N Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Why doesn't this happen in BA?
--- Deby Novitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think since I live here, and dance here, I might be a better person to respond to this, rather than someone who has just visited here. You could also check out the first two posts at: http://tangocherie.blogspot.com/ Where you will find at least one milonga organizer who is trying to enforce the codes. If he doesn't. the local patrons will go elsewhere. Remember, too, that in BsAs, there are choices every afternoon and night of the week - at least 15 different milongas happening around the city. Nancy Six more days to Mecca. Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] snarky comments on Atlanta demo
No, that's not all you were saying. I was in Atlanta. I saw some beautiful dancing not only by all the instructors, but also by the 350+ dancers who were there - most of then Americans. What you are ignorant of, among other things, is that of that 350, perhaps 80% of them have spent time in BsAs and all of them have studied with Argentine teachers - probably many more than you have. I know whom you admire. I know what kind of show dancing you think is great. I differ in my opinion. I also have reports on your dancing from women who have danced with you. I can go watch an intermediate class of show tango anytime I want. I leave in 14 days for my tenth trip to BsAs where I will see and enjoy Argentine dancing. I also had some amazing tandas in Atlanta. Talk about what you know. And don't believe everything some tango hustler in BsAs tells you. And before I agree that Javier is a great dancer, I would have to dance with him. Nancy --- Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nancy, I agree with what you say, but when we're not dancing, we're often watching other people dancing. Don't you love to see smooth, elegant Tango by wonderful dancers who make it all appear so natural and effortless? And doesn't it inspire you to want to work harder, learn more and to try to improve? That's really all I'm saying. Javier Rodriguez taught in Hong Kong a few months ago and was a huge inspiration for many students. And his influence lasted long after the classes were over and went far beyond what he actually taught in those classes. Keith, HK On Thu Apr 10 3:44 , NANCY sent: I am not interested in what I see, I am interested in what I feel. And you can't always tell by looking! ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] On similes and such like...
--- Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Careful Astrid, you're forgetting your place. Any more such mutinous talk about doing things without the maestro's divine leadership and Floyd will orderyou back in your box Correction, Keith. Violin case, please. Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] I'm starting to see the pauses
--- Tango Society of Central Illinois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're not with the music. They're too busy with adornments. This is a PERFORMANCE! And there is often a problem of sychronization with videos on YouTube. Excessive pausing is not for social dancing. It clogs the line of dance. A pause of one or two beats, e.g., when changing direction from a suspension is OK. Prolonged pauses with excessive embellishment loses connection with the music (even Pugliese). THIS IS A PERFORMANCE Did you notice 150 other couples on the floor? No. And did you correct Gavito when he paused for whole measures on the social dance floor? You WISH you could dance like those folksor do you prefer dancing with violins, too? Nancy Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control
--- Floyd Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Btw... I didn't see that many were really down on the violin concept. I read some nice compliments on the way it was originally meant. Well.as Keith pointed out, it was the 'violins' who were complaining but what do we have to say about it? We are only your 'instruments', right maestro? We should stick to our passive, submissive roles, right? The supporters for the analogy were two males who repeatedly posted defenses - and they are no longer with us. What is the ratio of violins to maestros in Buffalo? Nancy Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] ..where did the balance go?
Let's assume another possibility. That Mario, a student of tango of only six months who, by his own admission, learns mostly from YouTube, might not have a good axis or balance or leading ability himself. Remember he is in a community where there are no teachers according to him. He might have a floppy left arm and a pushing hand, he might raise his right shoulder and do the 'teapot' action on her, he might be overleading her with his arms, he might be tentative in his own body movements . Unless the lady falls over when standing by herself, she might have perfect control of her own balance and axis and movement until it is disturbed by some man. I will also point out that milonga steps are quite small while some newbies love to do long, reaching, performance steps to slow tangos and cannot keep their own balance when they do so. If they don't lower and soften their knees, they launch the lady like a catapult. Maybe he is using her for support. I am pretty fed up with some men on this list who believe that women have nothing to contribute and that, because women die to dance with them in their own insular communities, that makes them experts. Go to a major festival or BsAs and see how good you are. Some of the best US teachers are there - taking as many classes as they teach every weekend. --- Tango For Her [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, You asked a good question. I'll try and answer it, again, a little more simply. If she is unbalanced when she dances slow tangos, then, it's a good guess that she is using you for support. Putting it simply, concentrate on giving her your center. Let the middle of your chest be her contact point. Let the middle of your chest be YOUR focus. If she is using your left hand to keep her balance, then, take that crutch away from her. It's YOUR dance, too. YOU can choose to give her a beautiful tango, a tango where the connection comes from your center. In doing all of this, she will enjoy a much more beautiful tango. Why? Because the two of you will be connected in thought, effort and balance at your centers. Beautiful tango comes from your center. She will become more balanced. Never make anyone feel uncomfortable. Always strive to give them a more beautiful dance. Personally, I have found that to be true with the above advice. If anyone feels otherwise, then constructive criticism is always welcome. I hope this helps. And, by the way, I've been dancing for somewhere between 5 days and 50 years. I don't think about it much beyond that. Life is too good to spend my time worrying about such trivia. OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Ecstasis and Control
--- Floyd Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying you don't need leaders to help you dance well? To quide you around the floor while your eyes are closed? Not if they are so rude as to dance with a hat on their heads: http://www.buffalotango.com/html/Knox%20Night%20News%20Clip%20-%20A.mpg But I guess that is the way you do it in the Tango Capital of Buffalo. Nancy Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Toe/Heel?
If you wish to 'dance like a milonguero' then your first stop should be all the articles and videos and analyses at http://www.tangoandchaos.org Rick and Alej have made an extensive study of the milongueros and spent hours talking with them. He constantly revises and adds to the information as he learns more from his travels. IMHO, Nancy Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Who invented the basic step?
--- Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's Todaro doing all that stuff at least 30 years earlier. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPC7Zc0az9Q Keith, HK Yes, in a PERFORMANCE. Don't see an eight count basic, though, do you? Did he TEACH an eight count basic? That is the question I was answering. Nancy Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Codigos from a woman's POV
--- David Thorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is most interesting is that, world wide, all other social dances seem to get along wonderfully without benefit of the codigos, even if the dances are quite complex. But how many of those social dances place the woman's body in such direct contact with the man and in how many of them do the dances last for the length of a tanda ( 10-14 minutes)? I really like that I am able to ignore a solicitation for a dance from someone to whom I do not wish to give my body. EG: on Friday night, following a class for beginners, one of the men approached a line of experienced women dancers asking for a dance to milonga traspie music. Of course, we all knew he could not manage the dance after his first lesson so we all said, No, thank you. That did not deter him - he continued to ask 4-5 women and was shot down each time. Had it been a nice, slow, tango with clear beat, any one of us might have accepted or even initiated a cabceo to encourage him. As it was, he was shot down. It is not my duty to give my body to any man - much less to one who might physically hurt me with rough leads. It has sometimes taken days for my back, hand or arms to recover from being man-handled by a beginner. It should always be the lady's choice. The men who are asked by women should also have the option to decline a dance - whether it is done thru the cabaceo or more directly. The cabaceo works and saves face and is not unkind. Nancy Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Long After MIdnight at the Nino Bien..
a Yanqui's missteps in Argentina. By Brian Winter. Part travel memoir, and part a love letter to a remarkable, troubled, and irresistible county and the dance that epitomizes it...a step into the Argentine soul. What can I say? It is a very entertaining, easy read. Covers the 2001-2004 period during the financial crisis, artfully outlines the history of tango and the county. Reveals what the milongueros talk about at their tables in the milongas. Discusses the games played by teachers, students, dancers, lovers, taxistas, waiters, kiosqueros. If you have been to BsAs you will be reminded. If you have not, you will be warned. He hasn't missed anything in my experience. And what fun to figure out the real-life tipos that appear under aliases. Some Spanish, but understandable. Winter was a journalist in BsAs and currently works for USA Today and is the co-author of The Accidental President of Brazil. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Census - Don't forget Philadelphia.
If that is your home turf, then I don't understand why you don't take lessons from any number of good teachers in the area. You shouldn't have to try to suss out moves from the Internet or by asking listeros to talk you through certain movements. Curiously, Nancy --- Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phila. and suburbs and Southern New Jersey...I'm guessing 200 Tangojunkies in this rather large geographic area. I can attend 15 Milongas/Practicas a month, conveniently, by simply using local public transportation within the city...with a car and going to the Suburbs and across the bridge to New Jersey I could easily add several more...but I'm not that nuts, yet. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Tango styles and labeling
Tango-L was a spin-off from a Ballroom forum many years ago. When it became clear that there were two groups/ two camps talking about two distinct dances, Shahrukh wisely created a forum for us. Maybe the question should be: Is it time to create a Nuevo Tango list? It seems to me that many misunderstandings result from trying to discuss apples and oranges on this list. Or should that be: Performance/nuevo/traditional/neo/close-embrace milonguero [Gricel style]/V-style semi-open close embrace [Nito Elba]/your own version heredanced to.. Nancy --- KUROSAKA Teruhiko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Anton Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like the assistance of list members to help me become a Tango pacifist. But first I need to understand why we don't include Tango which most of us in the tango community label Ballroom Tango, on our list of tango styles. It seems to me that any types of ballroom dance are completely different from what they label, and that's probably why we don't discuss ballroom tango. I've danced samba, salsa and tango. Ballroom Samba has nothing to do with samba danced in Brazil, Ballroom Salsa has nothing to do with Salsa danced in the night clubs, and Ballroom tango doesn't look to have any relationship to Argentine Tango. Kuro ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] New tango book
Long After Midnight at the Nino Bien by Brian Winter. Available thru Amazon after March 3. See a summary at: //www.publicaffairsbooks.com/publicaffairsbooks-cgi-bin/display?book=9781586483708 That's all I know about it. I have ordered it and will let you know. Nancy * Nino Bien is how folks refer to the Centro Region Leonesa social club where several milongas are held during the week. Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] ValenTango 08 Images
Please send these IDs directly to Miles, not to the Tango-L. Thanks, Nancy --- m i l e s [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm needing some help with identifying some folks in some of the images that are in my FLICKR page from ValenTango. Specifically if you are from Portland or Seattle. I'd specifically like help with these shots where the person is from: http://tinyurl.com/3ywtxq Lead ??? http://tinyurl.com/346r7c Follower ??? http://tinyurl.com/38knkh Is this Fred (w/ Bags) ??? http://tinyurl.com/33whgk Who am I ??? http://tinyurl.com/2sjb4r Lead Follow ??? http://tinyurl.com/3yqveg Lead Follow ??? (look @ next 2 shots) http://tinyurl.com/37zk56 Follower ??? http://tinyurl.com/3a74q9 Follower ??? http://tinyurl.com/2kx76o Follower ??? http://tinyurl.com/32frjp Lead ??? http://tinyurl.com/2wr9vm Lead ??? http://tinyurl.com/3yydub Who's the follower with Ben Wong ??? http://tinyurl.com/2jewdb Lead http://tinyurl.com/2pl7zz Follow ??? http://tinyurl.com/3bss6f Follow ??? http://tinyurl.com/2jm943 The woman in black to the right of Jessie (leather jacket), who is that ??? http://tinyurl.com/3646fp Who's the lead in the center of the shot ??? Pls add your comments directly on the respective images in the space provided about the who AND where that person is from... The Entire Set can be seen here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tangobliss/sets/72157603951666531/ Thanks. Miles ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Tango-L Helping Newbies Dance in Tight Spaces
- Why not show them something they all already know how to do? Remember your first dancing? What did you do? Well, you put your arms around the girl's waist and she put her arms around your shoulders and you stood in place, rocking back and forth ( ahem..Rock Step!) Tell them to use this whenever navigation becomes a problem. That is certainly what the milongueros do. It also helps the newbies become aware of where their weight and the weight of their partner is. They can make a 180 turn doing little rock steps to see if there is an escape route out of a traffic jam and never go against the line of dance. Nancy Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Wiggles
--- Nina Pesochinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Women who are dancers HATE wiggles. It is a meaningless move that says nothing, misses a bunch of music and does not feel good. Nina does not speak for this woman dancer. In fact, I have been known to initiate a wiggle myself now and then. And the men seem to enjoy it. It is especially fun at the end of a milonga. Nancy Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Keith's questions
--- Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nancy, is there any American alive today who knows more about Tango than Oscar Casas? Simple question. Yes. Simple answer. And, as I said - he's just one example. The real question is, who knows more about teaching and dancing Tango - Argentines or Americans? Another simple question. Some Americans know more than many Argentines. And, yes I teach. And I do my very best to do it the way many Argentines have taught me. I just want to understand why Americans think they have a better way of teaching Tango. That's all I'm asking. Can anyone answer the question, please. Consider trying it. You might learn something that even an Argentine can't teach you. The proof is in the product. Put your students up against Tom Stermitz' students. Let us be the judge. Or better yet - put your video up against his. Neve Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Breaking the 'paso basico.'
In the video link you cite, I see Oscar Casas stepping backward into the line of dance - into the woman's ankle behind him in a real social dance setting. Please explain why you think this is a good thing for beginners to know. And do you really believe than any Argentine is a better dancer than any other nationality? And do you believe than any Argentine is a better tango teacher than any non-Argentine tango teacher? If so, why are you teaching? Respectfully, Nancy --- Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, do you think you know more about Tango than Oscar Casas - he's just an example - I can find many more on YouTube. Here is a link of Oscar Casas teaching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIKnh_1KR0A I'm sorry if you think I'm being anti-American, as I've been accused before on this List. I'm not - but you're trying to change Tango for the worse and I just don't like what you're doing. Why can't you just do things the Argentine way? I guess that's my question. Keith, HK Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Igor Polk is off the list and Nino Bien
When you and Igor joined the list, you agreed to certain terms and rules. Some folks are real tired of your little catfights and the too frequent postings. I know several people who have unsubscribed because of the juvenile behavior. The List Owner has the right and the responsibility to impose any retrictions on the List he wishes. If you don't like it, start your own list with your own rules. --- Chris, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forwarded from direct mail: *Subject:* Igor Polk is off the list and Nino Bien *From:* Igor Polk [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *CC:* [snip] *Date:* Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:54:48 -0800 Igor Polk is writing this: I have posted recently to Tango-L but I have received this message: Your mail to 'Tango-L' with the subject Nino Bien Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post to moderated list Shortly speaking, I can not stand it. The list was perfectly well without any moderation. The moderator ( or owner ) has refused to publish my post Our list is moderated !!! which was notifying you about the situation and my inabilty to comply with the rules I belive in freedom, and no any moderator can tell people what to do and refuse communication. I am not able to post messages to Tango-L unless the moderator apologises. So, please if you do not mind, I will ask my questions with the direct e-mail. I am going to do it with people with whom I had meaningful conversation in the past and value your opinion. I hope you do not mind. If not - just tell me. This list as you can see is CC - i.e. public. Without any restrictions, and containes acive members of Tango-L. If there is anything like that already, I'd be happy to join. You can e-mail me back too, and even to the whole CC-list. ** So, my question is Nino Bien, is it a place where mostly tourists go ? and question 2: Who invented 8-count basic ? ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Nino Bien
--- Nina Pesochinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then things began to change. As the number of foregners increased everywhere, there became more and more of them at Nino Bien. Now it is a boring sitting milonga where the Argentine dancers go to hang out with their friends and see their foreign students. That is not true of the Saturday afternoon milonga ( Los Consegrados). Many a day I was the only foreigner there in a crowd of 250. Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Kizomba, tango's African cousin
Oleh, Check out the bomba and plena music of Puerto Rico. I think the instruments and the rhythms have similar sources. Nancy Loves to dance.almost everything! --- Oleh Kovalchuke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kizomba Kizomba is one of the most popular genres of dance and music from Angola. Sung generally in Portuguese, it is a genre of music with a romantic flow mixed with African rhythm. The kizomba dancing style is also known to be very sensual. Kizomba is native to Angola, derived directly from zouk music with influences from other Lusophone countries. -- Oleh Kovalchuke http://www.tangospring.com On Jan 31, 2008 7:00 AM, Tango Society of Central Illinois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/29/08, Oleh Kovalchuke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can anyone deny African roots of tango after watching this clip? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRw62Ouq-0A -- Oleh Kovalchuke http://www.tangospring.com What I see is a white couple doing some tango steps to non-tango music, loosely connected to the music, in front of a mostly white audience. I doubt this was filmed in Africa. If it hasn't already happened, this could spark a new trend at Alternative 'Milongas'. The music may be African, but the dance is an imitation of tango. I would like to see what the real Kizomba looks like. This is not to deny the African influence on tango, but it is not demonstrated here. Ron -- Oleh Kovalchuke Interaction Design is the Design of Time http://www.tangospring.com/IxDtopicWhatIsInteractionDesign.htm ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Funniest Tango video
As the title makes clear, this is the summation of a workshop, not a dance. I have danced with two of you critics. This is a case of the pot calling the kettle a bad tango dancer. --- Igor Polk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris: Crikey. I hope that poor girl was well paid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6YcpT9WGAfeature=related :) I am crying, What is the next number? Igor Polk ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Krasimir, peralta vs gustavo
Krasimir, Can you please direct us to a video of you dancing 'correctly'? Thanks so much, Nancy --- Krasimir Stoyanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that this time Gistavo/Guiselle dance really interesting. Usually not so. This time they dance almost correctly, the deviations from the optimal technique are not great, and that's why it is a good performance. It really grabbed my attention and I watched it with pleasure. But, even in this clip, they show that they are not skilled in the most basic of skills - I'm not telling which one, everybody should know.. So, I see they are talented dancers, that sometimes manage to dance beautifully. But most of the time, sadly, no. The clip with the world champions is interesting in a very different way - not the number and the speed of combinations. It's a matter of maturity in tango to be able to perceive this kind of beauty. - Original Message - From: Nussbaum, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tango-l@mit.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: [Tango-L] Krasimir, peralta vs gustavo Okay Krasimir, the second piece in this improv by Gustavo/Giselle is done to the same music you selected in your clip. I think the G/G clip is so much more interesting, so much more musical, and so much more emotional than the Peralta clip you selected, it blows it out of the water. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of_GJn8n3QA Krasimir Stoyanov ?rta: No, I am not going to explain. If it is not obvious to you, all words on this world will not make you see. Compare this (tango in its truest form): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA-mGU_X8Mc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA-mGU_X8Mc to anything from Fabian, Gustavo and company - I can't really say they dance tango. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Dance for success?
You are confused, Shahrukh. The first question at the end of the first song is Are you comfortable? After the second song, it is Do you have a boyfriend? And the third question is Will you go for coffee? ** at the end of the tanda. They may offer to give the woman their phone number, but it will usually be a cellphone or the number of the store near their house. Wouldn't want the wife or the girlfriend intercepting those calls. **'Going for coffee' has a much more provocative connotation than it does in the US. I have answered, A cafe milonguero o un cafe de amistad? (friendship). GRIN Nancy --- Shahrukh Merchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first thing that most Argentine men ask the woman after the first dance is if she feels comfortable. In 12 years, I only heard that from one non-Argentine man. Hmm, I thought, What's your phone number? was the first question. :-) But seriously, if you're right (I'm skeptical), I have to admit that I have never asked that of a woman (other than possibly if she was in obvious discomfort, but I probably blocked out that scenario ...). Tonight I shall try a controlled experiment. Test Group A: Are you comfortable? What's your phone number? Test Group B (what I thought most Argentine men ask ...): Do you have a boyfriend? What's your phone number? Let's see with which group I get more phone numbers. Shahrukh P.S. Remind me not to post to Tango-L after consuming the better part of a bottle of an exquisite 2000 Salentein Malbec ... mmm ... (caveat emptor: more recent vintages not as good). ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] dancing with a broom
And brooms are the perfect followers, aren't they? They always do exactly what you tell them to do, they never 'mess up' your timing or your step lengths or your balance and they never do those annoying embellishments that thwart your creativity. They also show up when you want them and stay in the closet when you don't feel like dancing with them and they never have a bad day or the sniffles or get cranky and they never correct you or complain or try to do something on their own, for goddesse's sakes . And you don't have to talk to them or invite them for coffee or compliment on their attire or shoes or musicality or technique. And they don't have those aggravating FEELINGS Hmmthey are just like those painter's brushes, only larger. Of course, they don't have a nice case like a violin. --- Astrid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In your inventory of poetic imagery you seem to have forgotten the broom: yes, and dancing with a broom is the only thing that has actually been done successfully, IMO, you can see the performance in one of the CITTA videos. Two brooms actually, and they look more elegant in the hands of this tanguero than quite a few women I have seen...They follow perfectly too. Now, I do not recommend exchanging your follow for a couple of brooms but if you used them to practise enough at home to reach the skill of this master, it might improve things at the milongas considerably...; ) 3. You dance tango rather like a broom than a violin. (by Igor Polk) In case you're not familiar with the tradition of bailar con la escoba don't forget to read the manual before dancing with a broom: Come, old broomstick, you are needed, Take these rags and wrap them round you! Long my orders you have heeded, By my wishes now I've bound you. Have two legs and stand, And a head for you. Run, and in your hand Hold a bucket too. (Sorcerer's apprentice. Goethe. http://www.fln.vcu.edu/goethe/zauber_e3.html [http://www.fln.vcu.edu/goethe/zauber_e3.html]) with thanks to all poets for their valuable contributions and for widening our poetic horizon Annanymous broom Der WEB.DE SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! *http://smartsurfer.web.de/?mc=100071distributionid=0066* [http://smartsurfer.web.de/?mc=100071distributionid=0066] ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes.One morestupid joke. Do not read it, if you
Try a search on Tango-SM. --- Victor Bennetts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't like it if she beats me like a drum. But if she beats me like an egg, that's different story ;-). Merry Christmas all, Victor Bennetts Meaning of lifei tried to play my follower like a cow bell, and she beat me like a drum. are you all sure this is tango, i did not think dancing hurt this much. CAUTION - Disclaimer * This e-mail contains PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by e-mail and delete the original message. Further, you are not to copy, disclose, or distribute this e-mail or its contents to any other person and any such actions are unlawful. This e-mail may contain viruses. Infosys has taken every reasonable precaution to minimize this risk, but is not liable for any damage you may sustain as a result of any virus in this e-mail. You should carry out your own virus checks before opening the e-mail or attachment. Infosys reserves the right to monitor and review the content of all messages sent to or from this e-mail address. Messages sent to or from this e-mail address may be stored on the Infosys e-mail system. ***INFOSYS End of Disclaimer INFOSYS*** ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Fwd: Metaphores
And the women keep telling the men not to refer to them in that way and they keep justifying their way of thinking. Which may be a metaphor for men in tango: some are in it for the dominance and control factor and some are in it for the sharing and caring relationship factor. Consider with whom you are dancingor not dancing. And would the men please stop telling us how we are supposed to feel about it! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:24:58 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tango-l@mit.edu Subject: [Tango-L] Metaphores For the record, metaphors comparing women to musical instruments (like the violin) occur throughout history. This ranges from the Oracle of Delphi, to Rayâs surrealist rendition of Kiki as a violin, and Margo Channing being compared to a piano in All About Eve. High praise and or low down insult! ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Tango in San Telmo
What the tourists don't see ( with thanks to Maya Frost's blog): http://youtube.com/watch?v=8YEyiMYHBOE Go, Grandma! Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Tango in Beijing/ Hong Kong
I will be traveling in China in October and November and would like an email or phone contact for Argentine tango. I prefer salon/milonguero style Argentine tango. Xiexie, Nancy Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] New online Tango 'Zine
From BsAs, in Spanish: http://www.puntotango.com.ar __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Pablo Veron, tango opera
Hi Astrid, I have been trying to reach you. Please contact me. Nancy --- Astrid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gawd, I love this stuff ! Did you see Pablo's rehearsal? The most exuberant thing I have seen in a long time.. One can subscribe to all those clips as podcasts in i-tunes, but I have not found a proper way to download and mail them yet. Any help? But I found this one on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pablo+veron+rehearsalsearch=Search hope she will make a movie from this. Or tour the world... - Original Message - From: musette fan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Tango-L] Pablo Veron, tango opera Pablo Veron is choreographing and dancing in Sally Potter's production of Carmen at the English National Opera, in case anyone's interested. So far, there are brief video clips of him dancing hip hop and some tango dancers are shown in the clip of dancers auditions. It does seem like tango will be featured in the dancing, but I can't tell yet which style it will be : ) http://carmen.eno.org/ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
[Tango-L] Naveira Nuevo Tango
From Tito of N. Carolina: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/09/12/211327.php Rito es la danza en tu vida y el tango que tu amas te quema en su llama de: Bailarina de tango por: Horacio Sanguinetti Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] To lead or not to lead
There are at least four guys that I dance with here and in BsAs who never dance the cross, so all those women who are automatically crossing at the 5 of the 'Basic 8 are going to be in for some stumbles. There is a lead for the cross. When I get it, I do it. . Many guys, failing to get me to do an auto cross, lift their right shoulder to get me to move. A slight contra body movement would do it without the strain. Of course, they are the ones who are accustomed to the auto-cross followers. And many followers auto-cross because the leaders don't give them that extra beat to make their cross. Hector at Nino Bien and Lo de Celia starts a lead to a cross and then makes me do a small, tight boleo around my own right foot.. using the momentum of my movement just as he would any other boleo. But what do I know? I am only a follower. Nancy --- Igor Polk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heated discussion about such simple thing as Cross is because this is the place where all the theories, approaches, historical views, achievements, and mistakes cross. Corner-Cross so to speak. To lead or not to lead depends on what goals one puts for himself. If you ok with so-so dancing - memorize the pattern and be done with it. If you want to reach the Great Depth of Tango Ecstasy learn to lead cross always and never step into cross if not led. Igor Polk PS.. I do not want to elaborate much about how to lead to cross in front of the Learned ones. I just want to mention that Lead to Cross Starts on the Step 3 of Basic.. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
