Re: [Tango-L] shocking - Miracle shirts
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Re: [Tango-L] shocking - Miracle shirts
Hi Steve, I don't wear a tee shirt under. I don't think it would defeat anything, but it would make you much warmer, without any real benefit, IMO. J _ Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] shocking - Miracle shirts
Hi Jay, Does one wear a cotton tee shirt under neath that shirt - or would that defeat how it works? Steve Jay Rabe wrote: > Hi joe, > > I wear them with everything from jeans to slacks. They work fine IMO. I've > worn them with a jacket, but don't think I've ever worn a tie with one. > There's only one style available, though in both short and long sleeves. It's > true the collar is a little soft, with no stiffener, and the fabric is very > flexible, slightly stretchy, I think there's Lycra in it. I got a private > post saying there are some other manufacturers offering shirts with the same > or similar fabric under the brand name CoolMax, but my web search didn't find > any black dress shirts, nor any better selection of colors. Regardless of the > cut, if you sweat a lot, they're the only thing I've ever found that > completely keeps you dry. They work. > > J ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] shocking - Miracle shirts
Hi joe, I wear them with everything from jeans to slacks. They work fine IMO. I've worn them with a jacket, but don't think I've ever worn a tie with one. There's only one style available, though in both short and long sleeves. It's true the collar is a little soft, with no stiffener, and the fabric is very flexible, slightly stretchy, I think there's Lycra in it. I got a private post saying there are some other manufacturers offering shirts with the same or similar fabric under the brand name CoolMax, but my web search didn't find any black dress shirts, nor any better selection of colors. Regardless of the cut, if you sweat a lot, they're the only thing I've ever found that completely keeps you dry. They work. J _ Windows Live™: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] shocking - Miracle shirts
I know this is bordering on a commercial, but I think every tanguero that has a sweat problem needs to know about this Very Effective solution. I have no financial or emotional attachment to them, other than when I see someone dripping and soggy, I feel bad for them and their partners, knowing these shirts are truly magical in their effectiveness. http://TangueroDesigns.com Enjoy. J _ Windows Live™ Contacts: Organize your contact list. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/marcusatmicrosoft.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!503D1D86EBB2B53C!2285.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_UGC_Contacts_032009 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] shocking
I also remember my tango teacher in Canberra and who used to teach all sorts of dances in Brisbane who kept a tray of deodorants and wipes in the men's toilets with a sign that said something about having respect for others, and to use the toiletries on hand. Cheers! Vince _ Want to marry your mail? Combine your email accounts here! http://livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=633386 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
> Fortunately, Japanese do not usually smell, their > sweat glands are smaller and they eat differently and bathe and shower > all the time too. Wetness is one thing, for which I have no input. I know some men and women perspire a lot and get wet, but what it is in their makeup or diet or exercise or lack therof that creates their propensity is a mystery to me. Odor, however, is a different story. Not bathing regularly or recently leaves bacteria on your skin that creates odor when it gets wet with new sweat. There's also diet and emotional contributions. People who are anxious or nervous, or people who drink a lot of coffee (or mate?) tend to have acrid sweat that has a much stronger and very unpleasant odor. Clean sweat on clean skin is almost odorless, and even contains pheromones that are reputed to be attractive, in an animalistic way, as in, "let's get hot and sweaty." J _ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
Coconut oil soaks into the skin in a few minutes like skin conditioner. You won't be slippery. Steve Astrid wrote: > > And Greg, I suggest, you try powder instead of oil, oil might just > make you slippery in addition to being wet. > > Astrid > > > Endzone 102 wrote: >> I can't wear a suit and tie. I overheat very badly if I wear long >> sleeves. >> (Yes, I know I'm a border case, and not typical in this at all). I >> usually >> have to change my a-shirt after a milonga tanda. I'll look in to >> coconut >> oil. That sounds interesting. >> >> -Greg G >> >> > > ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] shocking
How gracious of you all to be so accepting of others and their personal habits... Who has the right to tell you to change shirts? Why should we wash 30 shirts a week as opposed to 5? I used to, but then realised that it wasn't really doing any good anyway. The ladies I danced with were not protected by a new dry shirt that was within 3 mins a wet drenched one... And I still had another 3 songs to go... I usually wear a jacket, even when it's hot, but not always... People dance with me cause they want to, not cause I'm dry or wearing a scent. Doesn't mean I not trying to be dry or smell nice, but this is life - no? Sent from my iPhone, from somewhere... >> ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] shocking
Let me say, that backless ladies, especially after a milonga tanda, are often covered in moisture. Icky yes. But I get over it. So should they. There is a difference in smell between a work-out sweat and those men AND women who hve not showered for a day or more and reek of old sweat. Not accceptable on any counts. When I did Ceroc, it was a code and taught by the particular teacher I had, that men are to bring along a small face towel to dances. If they sweat a real lot then a change of shirt was required. Cheers! Vince > To: TANGO-L@mit.edu > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:36:40 -0500 > From: sherp...@aol.com > Subject: [Tango-L] shocking > > the ladies are lucky , they get to be sleeveless, backless, in short skirts > and waving fans _ Need a new place to rent, share or buy? Let ninemsn property help http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline&_t=774152450&_r=Domain_tagline&_m=EXT ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
I live in Tokyo where summer is basically like a cross between a green house and a sauna, and all the milongas are air conditioned. Still, I know exactly who tends to sweat in the milongas and who doesn't. I know that after dancing close embrace with a certain man all the hair in and near my face will be dripping with the sweat that ran from his hair into mine. Do I mind? Obviously, it is a matter of personal sympathy or not, and,very important, smell. Fortunately, Japanese do not usually smell, their sweat glands are smaller and they eat differently and bathe and shower all the time too. I have a friend and colleague who does not even sweat much, but he likes to dress up in shirts, ties and suits, and more often than not those shirts are made of polyester and he obviously does not wear deodorant and is from the West, which means, the polyester makes him disaster prone in this way. So, even though dancing with him can be fun, I usually try to wriggle out of it after 2 or 3 songs, as I cannot take it any longer than that, I cannot dance and hold my breath half of the time. I know another guy who likes to burn a huge amount of energy on the dance floor, rushing around the room in huge steps, quick turns, spins and so on and he is a little chubby too and soon sweats profusely while he does it. He does not smell, he is Japanese, he is fun to dane with, but you end up getting wet too while dancing with him. Fortunately he has the good sense of wearing cotton, t shirts, mostly, and he always comes to the milongas with a Boston bag in which he carries all his extra shirts, and he changes them in the bathroom every time he got drenched again which I much appreciate. And he does not embrace you too closely when he is dripping. Now, I very much doubt that posture or core muscles have anything to do with this problem, I do believe that keeping a proper diet with more vegetables and less red meat, less beer and trying to maintain a healthy or at least healthier weight would make a lot of difference. Dressing up in suits and ties can be counter productive as they make you feel hot, do not ever wear anything knitted to a milonga (it feels awful to the partner even if you do not sweat), do bring a change of clothes, and the hosts should make sure that a reasonably cool, fresh climate is maintained in the room by using air conditioning, opening the windows or whatever is possible. Yes, and if you go dancing while being hugely overweight and retaining plenty of water in your body, well...food for thought. Skinny people do not really sweat much, so maybe this is one more reason I am so lucky living in Japan where people live mainly on fish, rice, shredded raw cabbage, tofu and water. And Greg, I suggest, you try powder instead of oil, oil might just make you slippery in addition to being wet. Astrid Endzone 102 wrote: > I can't wear a suit and tie. I overheat very badly if I wear long sleeves. > (Yes, I know I'm a border case, and not typical in this at all). I usually > have to change my a-shirt after a milonga tanda. I'll look in to coconut > oil. That sounds interesting. > > -Greg G > > ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Shocking ( Richard's complaint)
I called a friend who is an exercise physiologist. He said that the sweating he has observed in tango dancers, male and female, is unlikely to be caused by lack of aerobic training. because social tango is not physically demanding enough for that to be an issue. Rather, he felt, it was caused by bad posture and core muscle issues. Regards/Richard ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] shocking sweat
Sometimes still an old milonguero will keep folded handkerchiefs in each palm as he embraces the woman, to avoid getting his sweat on her back or her right hand. Nice. cherie "it?is your responsibility to find followers who do not drape themselves over you and who do not have an axis...how do you choose a dance parnter, what are your dance prioritiesif you were more descriminating, you would neither sweat nor be so bitter, sherrie" ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Shocking ( Richard's complaint)
Nancy - Women who sweat are no more "awful" than men who sweat. With both it may reflect on the amount of aerobic exercise they choose to do, but I think you are mistaken to make it a character issue. Regards/Richard 1-212-695-1759 Friday, February 27, 2009, 6:28:28 PM, you wrote: N> --- Richard Isaacs wrote: >> And yet we leaders are plagued with women who not only are unable >> to maintain their own axis, but insist on draping themselves over >> us (in an attempt to send us to the chiropractor), while leaving a >> stain of deodorant on our jackets as they clutch our hand with >> their sweaty palms. N> YOU 1) invite or 2) accept an invitation to dance N> with those awful women. ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] shocking
Friday, February 27, 2009, 5:36:40 PM, you wrote: sac> the ladies are lucky , they get to be sleeveless, backless, in sac> short skirts and waving fans. And yet we leaders are plagued with women who not only are unable to maintain their own axis, but insist on draping themselves over us (in an attempt to send us to the chiropractor), while leaving a stain of deodorant on our jackets as they clutch our hand with their sweaty palms. Considering how un-aerobic tango is, I think more tangeros and tangeras should be getting some actual exercise, and avoiding this problem altogether. Regards/Richard 1-212-695-1759 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
I can't wear a suit and tie. I overheat very badly if I wear long sleeves. (Yes, I know I'm a border case, and not typical in this at all). I usually have to change my a-shirt after a milonga tanda. I'll look in to coconut oil. That sounds interesting. -Greg G On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Steve Littler wrote: > I wear a suit and tie and the ladies really appreciate it. In addition > to unscented deodorant, I cover my skin with extra virgin coconut oil. > The coconut odor dissipates long before I arrive at the milonga and the > antimicrobial properties keep me pretty unscented all night long. > > ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
Steve, Thanks for setting such a great example for others to follow. Joanne Pogros Cleveland, Ohio www.tangocleveland.com -Original Message- From: Steve Littler To: Tango-L Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace" I wear a suit and tie and the ladies really appreciate it. In addition to unscented deodorant, I cover my skin with extra virgin coconut oil. The coconut odor dissipates long before I arrive at the milonga and the antimicrobial properties keep me pretty unscented all night long. Steve Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote: > One of my partners always wears a suit jacket so that the woman doesn't contact his sweat. Chivalry isn't quite dead, yet. > > > > ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
I wear a suit and tie and the ladies really appreciate it. In addition to unscented deodorant, I cover my skin with extra virgin coconut oil. The coconut odor dissipates long before I arrive at the milonga and the antimicrobial properties keep me pretty unscented all night long. Steve Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote: > One of my partners always wears a suit jacket so that the woman doesn't > contact his sweat. Chivalry isn't quite dead, yet. > > > > ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
--- On Fri, 2/27/09, Endzone 102 wrote: Oh, dear. Let me tell you something. I sweat. I sweat wearing shorts in the winter. Being in a dance hall or studio that's over 68 degress makes me sweat, even before I start dancing. But thanks for generalizing. ~~~ I did say "might". I'm sure someone like yourself who is aware of himself takes care to bring a change of shirt or something so that the woman isn't soaked. One of my partners always wears a suit jacket so that the woman doesn't contact his sweat. Chivalry isn't quite dead, yet. Trini de Pittsburgh ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote: > > > --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Kristina Bohm wrote: > > What do you think of "close embrance" after a guy > > has been dancing several hours and is totally soaked in his sweat?... I, > personally love both, close and open embrace. But recently I had to say 'no' > to a great dancer whom I smelled already from 5 meters approaching me. (and > yes, I smiled and said that I was tired...:) ) > > Good answer. By the way, anyone who has to work so hard that he sweats > that much, might not be such a great dancer. > Oh, dear. Let me tell you something. I sweat. I sweat wearing shorts in the winter. Being in a dance hall or studio that's over 68 degress makes me sweat, even before I start dancing. But thanks for generalizing. > > > Another dancer, also at the end of milonga, after several > > open embrace > > tangos, told me that "he prefers close embrace" > > and almost forced me to the > > close position. > > I would have made an excuse and left in the middle of a tanda if someone > tried that with me and I wanted to dance with him another time. Otherwise, > I would have just thanked him and left him on the dance floor. If, however, > you asked him to dance and you knew that he preferred close-embrace, then > that's a different story. > That's what your left elbow is for. Lock it off if you really don't want to dance in close. But otherwise, I agree with Trini here. Bail out if you're not comfortable being in close with someone. -Greg G ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
Kris wrote: What do you think of "close embrance" after a guy has been dancing several > hours and is totally soaked in his sweat?... The guy needs one of Portland tanguera Bonnie Lee's Miracle shirts. They're gortex and wick away moisture, and the sweatiest dancer always feels dry, and odorless too. (I have no financial connection to Bonnie Lee). Her company is Tanguero Designs, but unfortunately she's apparently moving her website and the link that I have no longer works. I'll see if I can find a good link and post it later. J _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_022009 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Kristina Bohm wrote: > What do you think of "close embrance" after a guy > has been dancing several hours and is totally soaked in his sweat?... I, > personally love both, close and open embrace. But recently I had to say 'no' > to a great dancer whom I smelled already from 5 meters approaching me. (and > yes, I smiled and said that I was tired...:) ) Good answer. By the way, anyone who has to work so hard that he sweats that much, might not be such a great dancer. > Another dancer, also at the end of milonga, after several > open embrace > tangos, told me that "he prefers close embrace" > and almost forced me to the > close position. I would have made an excuse and left in the middle of a tanda if someone tried that with me and I wanted to dance with him another time. Otherwise, I would have just thanked him and left him on the dance floor. If, however, you asked him to dance and you knew that he preferred close-embrace, then that's a different story. > I remeber one gentelman, who had a different shirt for > every partner he danced with. Maybe it was little bit too extreme, but for > sure, tangos felt like heaven with him! > There's a lot of fish in the ocean. Don't sweat the guys who don't have the decency to present themselves nicely to you. Think the next guy asking you to dance will enjoy being soaked by you soaked by someone else? Trini de Pittsburgh ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
