SOT: From -- FAQ (was: Quoting)
Hi, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: No. It has been put there by a *nix routing MTA to differentiate the From at the start of a line in you message body from the From ... that starts a new message in *nix mailbox format. We often see such changes, either a '' or a '-' stuck in there. It also plays havoc with signed texts. Could this be put in the FAQ? It comes up ever so often. And the next time it comes up we can simply point at the FAQ. Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.53d under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Windows XP appearance issues
Running TB 1.54b9 on XP demonstrates one obvious glitch and a lot of appearance problems which are architectural (requiring a lot of work, and probably the migration from Delphi 2 to 6 mentioned elsewhere). The obvious glitch is the 'menu navigator' button which, with the default XP UI skin, appears distorted as the default XP buttons are 4 times the area of previous Microsoft OS buttons; I can provide a picture if needed. (Other applications which introduce custom buttons into the title bar of windows, such as the ATI multiple monitor tools, have the same problem). I think this could probably be fixed fairly easily at the moment. Probably the worst appearance problem is the mixing of system and proportional fonts (I use Tahoma for the panes); with ClearType turned on* the system fonts (MS Sans Serif and similar) suddenly look way out of place. There are also lots of UI issues with, among other controls, the icons and dialog box layouts not looking 'XP-like', but I presume almost every Microsoft software developer is wrestling with the same issues at the moment ... Alastair * hugely improving readability of fonts, I must say! _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re: The Bat! - suggestions / Links to other mails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter, On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:18:05 +0200 GMT (20/09/2001, 18:18 +0800 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: PP Support for message-id as protocol 'mid:' in links. PP RFC 2392 describes a mechanism to link to a different e-mail via PP mid:message-id-of-other-email OK, I just read the RFC. I thought this has to do with threading, but it doesn't. It makes a reference *within* an HTML message. Example: QUOTE FROM RFC The following message points to another message (hopefully still in the recipient's message store). From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Here's how to do it Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-type: text/html; charset=usascii A HREF= mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]; previous message/A, shows how the approach you propose can be used to accomplish ... UNQUOTE As long as you cannot compose HTML messages in TB, we don't need to talk about it. With regards to corrrectly rendering such code, I must say I have never received a message with such a link. What MUA supports it? - -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using a Celeron 366 MHz, 128MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: Key ID: 0x79493AEC iQA/AwUBO6qJ+Wkcopp5STrsEQLkmQCg+Tth8PdVAsdRCcbIGzzBI70ABkAAoNub iW8ejyT4IgfpGSZFYjEnL3Ih =i67j -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re: Windows XP appearance issues
Thomas wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:02:09 +0100 GMT (21/09/2001, 16:02 +0800 GMT), Alastair Scott wrote: AS which, with the default XP UI skin, appears distorted as the AS default XP buttons are 4 times the area of previous Microsoft OS AS buttons; I can provide a picture if needed. Please do. A screenshot of resonable size will be appreciated, as I believe I am not the only one who has never seen XP in action. AS Probably the worst appearance problem is the mixing of system and AS proportional fonts (I use Tahoma for the panes); with ClearType turned AS on* the system fonts (MS Sans Serif and similar) suddenly look way out AS of place. Again, screenshot appreciated. Will do all tonight (I'm currently at the wrong machine, running Windows 95). I emphasise that I've turned up nothing affecting the *functionality* of TB under XP; it's the appearance that's the problem. (Mind you, it's a big problem - if someone downloads TB and thinks 'that looks like something from the 20th century' they're not going to buy it!) Alastair _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re: SOT: From -- FAQ
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Markus, On 21 September 2001 at 09:54:09 +0200 (which was 08:54 where I live) Markus Gloede wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: No. It has been put there by a *nix routing MTA to differentiate the From at the start of a line in you message body from the From ... that starts a new message in *nix mailbox format. We often see such changes, either a '' or a '-' stuck in there. It also plays havoc with signed texts. MG Could this be put in the FAQ? It comes up ever so often. And the next MG time it comes up we can simply point at the FAQ. Yes. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / . TB! v1.54 Beta/9-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7qw2nOeQkq5KdzaARAm5pAKC4wKx7V7Ik2Z5AovXHsJTS2pDQhQCdHEfE l4g0mDIzxgu5tJ3kdQyc2/8= =B02T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re: The Bat! - suggestions / Links to other mails
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter, On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:54:13 +0200 GMT (21/09/2001, 16:54 +0800 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: PP Other point: for me the RFC does not read as 'only HTML related'. I re-read and you are right. PP TB! support 'mailto:' and 'http:' links also in plain text, so why shouldn't PP it 'mid:'? The users not using TB! can't use it nevertheless, neither if it is PP only I'm referring to message with message-id [EMAIL PROTECTED] nor if it PP is I'm referring to message with message-id mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] as even PP the first would give them a 'mailto:' like effect. Actually, you are right. It would be nice to be able click on the link and open the message, rather than having to cp the message ID to the search window. I second this idea. (Which does not mean that all debugging should be stopped in order to implement this now. g) - -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. We are the people our parents warned us about. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/8 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using a Celeron 366 MHz, 128MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 05) Comment: Key ID: 0x79493AEC iQA/AwUBO6qePmkcopp5STrsEQJxtQCdGeL64hg2jMtJuL5dWKaCr/gx6xgAnAy8 rI/+zsloH27ZKXbt1Q9ngDeK =SXBH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re: The Bat! - suggestions / Links to other mails
Hello Thomas, On Friday, September 21, 2001 at 11:56:09 AM you wrote (at least in part): TF (Which does not mean that all debugging should be stopped in order to TF implement this now. g) Joking mode on Not? I thought Beta/10 should have implemented it, regardless if TB! 's still slow in RTV or several other bugs present *ggg* /Joking mode off P.S.: OK ... I'm OT, I'll stop HERE! :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54 Beta/9 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) In empty spaces I twist and talk, and come down with the roar of thunder. -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re[2]: Bug Report (Beta/9): S/MIME-Certs disappeared [was: Certificates Missing]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck On 20 September 2001 at 17:41:01 +0100 (which was 17:41 where I live) Marck D Pearlstone graced us with these comments MDP So they are! And yet they still work! I can S/MIME sign without a MDP glitch. Its is a good sig to me. Using SecureBat! - -- TTFN, ___ David | SecureBat! 1.53s/iKey1000 | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Server 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | Save the USA IMPEACH BILLARY| -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBO6sSl/mK8eZlD0U0EQI6lACgy582Iafwi2ckZqO6ORgJR8Pf/r8AnRFa pbXJ3yHBliZ3IJmfX9kKUgi4 =64/f -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re: Windows XP appearance issues
AS The obvious glitch is the 'menu navigator' button which, with the AS default XP UI skin, appears distorted as the default XP buttons are 4 AS times the area of previous Microsoft OS buttons; I can provide a picture AS if needed. (Other applications which introduce custom buttons into the AS title bar of windows, such as the ATI multiple monitor tools, have the AS same problem). I think this could probably be fixed fairly easily at the AS moment. yeah I run XP and I know what you mean, altho not a big problem cuz didn't someone somewhere point out the menu navigator is only for the beta and will be taken out for the final? another issue with it is, on mine at least, it's not always visible, the winXP gui tries to hid it so it comes and goes, sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. AS Probably the worst appearance problem is the mixing of system and AS proportional fonts (I use Tahoma for the panes); with ClearType turned AS on* the system fonts (MS Sans Serif and similar) suddenly look way out AS of place. There are also lots of UI issues with, among other controls, AS the icons and dialog box layouts not looking 'XP-like', but I presume AS almost every Microsoft software developer is wrestling with the same AS issues at the moment ... could you give a little more info as to how you have your fonts setup? I would like to see this since mine look fine all in all the bat works and looks fine in XP as far as I can tell with the exception of the above noted things -- Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. -abraham lincoln -- Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/9 System: AMD K6-2 500; 384mb Ram OS: Windows XP Professional -- Until Next Time, Screwyluie [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re: Certificates Missing
This message: 21/09/2001 18:13 GMT. Hello Kevin, A reminder of what Kevin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 20 September 2001 at 10:55:11 GMT -0400 KC Hello TBBeta Subscribers, KC With the latest beta version, the digital certificates for my 3 KC accounts have disappeared. Using this version they reappear. Is it me KC or a known bug? KC Using The Bat! 1.53t under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Mine seems to be working OK... I think? -- Best regards,Tony. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/9 S/N A27A5E65 Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Windows XP appearance issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Screwyluie! On Friday, September 21, 2001 at 7:11:07 PM you wrote: didn't someone somewhere point out the menu navigator is only for the beta and will be taken out for the final? I think Maxim once wrote that. another issue with it is, on mine at least, it's not always visible, the winXP gui tries to hid it so it comes and goes, sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. Same on Win95c. That is my main complaint, if it is in, than let it be shown. If it is not, let it go completely. The fun part is that PowerPro, which I now use, puts a bar - defined as Show in caption right - over the position of the Navigator Menu, directly beside the Minimise button. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/9 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Arbeit um der Arbeit willen ist gegen die Natur. (John Locke) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO6uAg/To1oA8g8dLEQLHegCgl3WL7K3BJaajJwb42ZRoXEdeJoQAnRwx YmoWCos7zwwCcK4Ltem9mzSZ =IIpv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re[2]: Windows XP appearance issues
On 21 September 2001 at 6:11 pm Screwyluie wrote: AS The obvious glitch is the 'menu navigator' button which, with the AS default XP UI skin, appears distorted as the default XP buttons are 4 AS times the area of previous Microsoft OS buttons; I can provide a picture AS if needed. (Other applications which introduce custom buttons into the AS title bar of windows, such as the ATI multiple monitor tools, have the AS same problem). I think this could probably be fixed fairly easily at the AS moment. yeah I run XP and I know what you mean, altho not a big problem cuz didn't someone somewhere point out the menu navigator is only for the beta and will be taken out for the final? It's quite a nice feature notwithstanding, particularly for beginners who (I know) find TB rather intimidating ... another issue with it is, on mine at least, it's not always visible, the winXP gui tries to hid it so it comes and goes, sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. Strangely, today it seems to have decided to hide as you say (see PNG file below - I couldn't capture it); if you hover the mouse over the titlebar at the right place it does reappear though ... AS Probably the worst appearance problem is the mixing of system and AS proportional fonts (I use Tahoma for the panes); with ClearType turned AS on* the system fonts (MS Sans Serif and similar) suddenly look way out AS of place. There are also lots of UI issues with, among other controls, AS the icons and dialog box layouts not looking 'XP-like', but I presume AS almost every Microsoft software developer is wrestling with the same AS issues at the moment ... could you give a little more info as to how you have your fonts setup? I would like to see this since mine look fine Picture: http://www.btinternet.com/~thebrixton/tbxp.png Note the difference between the folder pane (Tahoma, ClearType), the preview pane (Andale Mono, ClearType) and the list of messages (MS Sans Serif, non-ClearType); the column header, jumping from ClearType to non-ClearType, is particularly affected. The difference is very pronounced with a flat-panel monitor. (Looking at XP applications it seems that the 'system font' is now Tahoma, presumably so that ClearType is universal; MS Sans Serif appears to have been banished ...). Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re: Windows XP appearance issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:16:29 +0100, Alastair Scott [AS] contributed this to our collective wisdom: ... AS Picture: AS http://www.btinternet.com/~thebrixton/tbxp.png This link seems to be broken. Anyone else been able to load it? - -- ©Allie C Martin List Moderator (and fellow end-user) PGP public key: http://pgpkey.ac-martin.com __ MUA: The Bat! 1.54 Beta/9 [OS: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2] _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6a (Win32) Comment: Sealed for security. iEYEARECAAYFAjurlT8ACgkQV8nrYCsHF+I46ACg1OJ7i4ZY8f4/oca5mr38fUkR JEEAoOVuox710YG16XsL+FQn8s0JEads =X7jo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re[2]: Windows XP appearance issues
On 21 September 2001 at 8:30 pm Allie wrote: AS http://www.btinternet.com/~thebrixton/tbxp.png This link seems to be broken. Anyone else been able to load it? It is quite likely to be the ISP (BTopenworld) that is broken ;) Try: http://www.unmetered.org.uk/test/tbxp.png (Both files load OK from here ... but you would expect that, wouldn't you?) Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re: Windows XP appearance issues
On Friday, September 21, 2001, 2:30:06 PM, Allie C Martin wrote: AS http://www.btinternet.com/~thebrixton/tbxp.png This link seems to be broken. Anyone else been able to load it? try again. it worked for me. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/9 on Windows 98 version 4,90 -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
