Re[2]: Slovenian (once again) - ČŠŽĆĐ čąžćđ

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Maurice,

13. december 2001, 1:27:06, you wrote:

JS>> if the encoding isn't supported:
JS>> - display the closest approximates of the letters (CSZCDcszcd)

MS> Which means that all known character tables whould have to be known to
MS> the program, including tables mapping non [A-Z]|[a-z] characters to
MS> their counterparts.

FAR manager (Norton Commander clone for Windows) does that in it's
viewer/editor (I've seen it on NT4, which had no CE-encoding support).

MS> If I analyse TB!'s behaviour correctly, I come to the conclusion that,
MS> given that a font supporting the needed characters is selected, TB!
MS> forgets to put the font in the right characterset before displaying
MS> the header information.

I've noticed interesting thing on Linux (under Wine): if message's
charset was anything other than None, the message text and headers
(both in the listing and those above the body) appeared only as
 squares. To view it I had to View->Character Set->None...

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Re[5]: Slow message finder

[Alexander Leschinsky]

Hello Alexander,

   On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:24:08 +0500 (13.12.2001 02:24 my local time)
   you wrote about "Slow message finder",
   at least in part:

AL> Well, tbbeta archives (29 Mb tbb, 29 Mb exported Unixbox) will be
AL> tested

Results on declared message base and next conditions

search string - "source"
Range in TB - "Anyware"
Range in Becky 2.00.07 - "Body+Headers"

Becky - 32 seconds and 507 hits
TB  32 seconds and 509 hits

Any comments?

Testing platform - Windows 98 build  A w/384M RAM (220 Free), fixed
swap 128M, PIII/550

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Re[5]: Slovenian (once again) - И©®ЖРи№ѕжр

[Alexander Leschinsky]

Hello Jernej,

   On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:07:54 +0100 (13.12.2001 03:07 my local time)
   you wrote about "Slovenian (once again) - È©®ÆÐè¹¾æð",
   at least in part:

JS> OK, what do you see in the subject of this message? It should be
JS> È©®ÆÐè¹¾æð ("C"S"Z'C-D"c"s"z'c-d) . TB should do one of these things
JS> if the encoding isn't supported:
JS> - display the closest approximates of the letters (CSZCDcszcd)
JS> - display question marks (or similar characters)

My apologies for two screenshots - but they are needed in this case

See, what I saw, and - will see differences between subj in header and
_this_ string exactly inside body

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Re: Slovenian (once again) - È©®ÆÐ è±¾æð

[Maurice Snellen]

On 12 Dec 2001, at 23:07:54 [GMT +0100] (which was 23:07 where I live)
Jernej Simončič wrote:

OK, this is funny: my template inserts the name instead of 'you' in
the opening of the message and now the name appears on my screen
including the c-hacek characters, while the to-field of the header is
still showing the `e (which I now seem to be unable to insert using
the normal key-combination of my US-International keyboard setting).

JS> OK, what do you see in the subject of this message? It should be
JS> ČŠŽĆĐčąžćđ ("C"S"Z'C-D"c"s"z'c-d) .

Copy/paste results in: Re[4]: Slovenian (once again) - ČŠŽĆĐ čąžćđ

In actuality I see: `E (c) (r) AE(combi) -D  `e superscript-1 3/4
ae(combi) and Latin-eth.

At first I figured that the display of the header is thrown off by the
fact that the default font for displaying that is MS Sans Serif (at
least I can't remember ever having changed that). So I changed it to
one of the OpenType fonts to make sure the font would support the
necessary characters. Alas, to no avail.

JS> if the encoding isn't supported:
JS> - display the closest approximates of the letters (CSZCDcszcd)

Which means that all known character tables whould have to be known to
the program, including tables mapping non [A-Z]|[a-z] characters to
their counterparts.

If I analyse TB!'s behaviour correctly, I come to the conclusion that,
given that a font supporting the needed characters is selected, TB!
forgets to put the font in the right characterset before displaying
the header information.

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Filtering Common Folder

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Beta Folk.

  Is there a way to create/apply a filter to a common
  folder. Or is that coming in a future version?

  Thanks.

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Re[4]: Slovenian (once again) - ČŠŽĆĐčšžćđ

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Alexander,

12. december 2001, 22:04:32, you wrote:

AS>> What seems to be happening is that something, somewhere, in The Bat!
AS>> isn't understanding that it needs to switch from ISO 8859-1 to ISO
AS>> 8859-2 when displaying that line.
AL> It seems, what "message header pane" use Windows CP for displaing
AL> upper-half if ASCII table... I can wrote here Jernej's name as _I_ see
AL> it - but it will be useless, you'll see other chars... And can't see
AL> reasons for publish screenshot - I'll try describe it in some short words

OK, what do you see in the subject of this message? It should be
ČŠŽĆĐčšžćđ ("C"S"Z'C-D"c"s"z'c-d) . TB should do one of these things
if the encoding isn't supported:
- display the closest approximates of the letters (CSZCDcszcd)
- display question marks (or similar characters)

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Re[3]: Slovenian (once again)

[Alexander Leschinsky]

Hello Alastair,

   On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:05:06 + (12.12.2001 16:05 my local time)
   you wrote about "Slovenian (once again)",
   at least in part:

>> I think that it's the encoding's fault - in Win-1250 encoding "c is in
>> the same place as 'e in "normal" Windows encoding (which CP is that
>> anyway?)... Check, how this message comes through - it's ISO-8859-2
>> encoded.
For _me_ (Russian Windows, CP 1251, Russian locale), it seems differently - without 
additional
"\", but I must agree with you partially

AS> What seems to be happening is that something, somewhere, in The Bat!
AS> isn't understanding that it needs to switch from ISO 8859-1 to ISO
AS> 8859-2 when displaying that line.
It seems, what "message header pane" use Windows CP for displaing
upper-half if ASCII table... I can wrote here Jernej's name as _I_ see
it - but it will be useless, you'll see other chars... And can't see
reasons for publish screenshot - I'll try describe it in some short words

Instead accent letters I see russian letters, other (I think so) will
see own national (Win CP-specific) chars


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Re[4]: Slow message finder

[Alexander Leschinsky]

Hello Marc,

   On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:03:49 +0100 (13.12.2001 00:03 my local time)
   you wrote about "Slow message finder",
   at least in part:

MvB> I recommend you to test this yourself. You'll be amazed.
Well, tbbeta archives (29 Mb tbb, 29 Mb exported Unixbox) will be
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Re: Address book won't update

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Rudy,
On 12 Dec 2001 at 13:10:24 [GMT -0700], you wrote:

RW> Well, I feel REALLY STUPID.

Oh, you shouldn't. You are not the first one this happened to. :-)

RW> to make a long story short, when I changed out hard drives a couple
RW> of weeks ago and copied my address books from my old backup, they
RW> were somehow marked as Read Only by Windows (2K pro). I don't know
RW> how it happened, but it did.

Well, I have 2 guesses:

1.) Your backup was stored on a CDR, which is by default Read-only. So
all Windows did was copy the access rights of the file together with
the file. (Which is BTW the default *and correct* behaviour when
copying a file from a CD-ROM drive.)

2.) You copied the files from network share. As you speak of a backup,
I don't think that this was the case, but IIRC that was how a member
of TBUDL got that same problem you just experienced.

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Re[3]: Address book won't update

[Boris Golberg]

Hello Rudy,

12 Dec 2001, 2:10:24 PM, you wrote:

RW> Just thought I'd let everyone know that it WASN'T The Bat!

  But  there  are  still at least two bugs in AB, as I reported before: you
can't  add record with the same primary address and have some troubles with
adding record from *.vcf file. :(

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Re[2]: Address book won't update

[Rudy Willis]

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Hello All,

Well, I feel REALLY STUPID.  I could not save anything to the
address books, even unique new items.  This was about to drive me
crazy so I deleted one of them and it kept coming back...to make a
long story short, when I changed out hard drives a couple of weeks
ago and copied my address books from my old backup, they were
somehow marked as Read Only by Windows (2K pro).  I don't know how
it happened, but it did.  I reset them to RW and now everything is
working just fine.

Just thought I'd let everyone know that it WASN'T The Bat!
after all.

Thanks,

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RW>> I can't add  anything to the address book...

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Re[3]: Slow message finder

[Marc van Breemen]

Hello Alexander,

12 Dec 2001, 2:57:02, you wrote:

JW>> Why bad?

> Why plain-text big bases is suxx, and SQL rulez?! In terms of speed...
> Ñonsequent reading work better on plain text, but for tasks with
> random access (surfing in mailbox is only example) always, more than
> 20 years used other principles - indexes, direct access, what can't be
> done in text-file (in common)

The fact is that Becky is much much faster in searching the message
base. I measured that Becky is at least 3 times faster. I did find out
that The Bat gets slower when the message base gets larger. Becky uses
indexes that point to the 'as-plain-text-stored' messages. Becky
simply uses an efficient and intelligent way of storing. F.e.: you
don't have to compress the message base every time again like in The
Bat

I recommend you to test this yourself. You'll be amazed.

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Re: Pop Server

[Johannes Posel]

Hi there Allie,

Going back 23:07 06.12.2001...

> Another one I've not tried but some say is nice and simple is Hamster.
> I don't have the URL for that one though a search engine lookup
> (search string 'mail server hamster') should quickly point you in the
> right direction.

http://www.tglsoft.de/misc/hamster_en.htm

Works very fine... ;)

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Re[2]: Slovenian (once again)

[Alastair Scott]

Jernej wrote:

> Hello Alastair,

> 12. december 2001, 10:31:38, you wrote:

AS>> That anything comprehensible at all can be derived from this is a
AS>> miracle - so what's stopping the "c-hacek" from being right too? [And
AS>> where did the backslashes and quotes come from?]

> I think that it's the encoding's fault - in Win-1250 encoding "c is in
> the same place as 'e in "normal" Windows encoding (which CP is that
> anyway?)... Check, how this message comes through - it's ISO-8859-2
> encoded.

It looks exactly the same as the first try :(

The line in the source, this time, looks like:

From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jernej_Simon=E8i=E8?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

and, in the (UK) ISO 8859-1 character set, #E8 is e-grave :(

What seems to be happening is that something, somewhere, in The Bat!
isn't understanding that it needs to switch from ISO 8859-1 to ISO
8859-2 when displaying that line.

(I presume that there is a mapping from IS0 8859-x to two-byte Unicode
characters somewhere in the Windows APIs so that, when an application
says, 'This character code is #E8 and the current character set is ISO
8859-2', 'c-hacek' is printed).

I've found two rather useful sites from which I derived this explanation
(?):

http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859.html (what the various sets look
like)

http://nl.ijs.si/gnusl/cee/iso8859-2.html (ISO 8859-2 in detail)

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Re: Slovenian (once again)

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Alastair,

12. december 2001, 10:31:38, you wrote:

AS> That anything comprehensible at all can be derived from this is a
AS> miracle - so what's stopping the "c-hacek" from being right too? [And
AS> where did the backslashes and quotes come from?]

I think that it's the encoding's fault - in Win-1250 encoding "c is in
the same place as 'e in "normal" Windows encoding (which CP is that
anyway?)... Check, how this message comes through - it's ISO-8859-2
encoded.

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A minor inconsistency

[Alastair Scott]

I note that, in the Dispatcher, the "Time" field doesn't follow the
(carefully customisable) format of the Received and Created fields in
the list of messages and the Find window; rather, it has a private
format of its own (08:02, 17:54).

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Slovenian (once again)

[Alastair Scott]

I think this has been passed around fruitlessly once before, so there's
no harm having another shot at the issue ;)

In the last email I got the header looks as per the attached, and the
To: line of the message source looks like:

To: "=?Windows-1250?B?SmVybmVqIFNpbW9u6Gno?=" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

That anything comprehensible at all can be derived from this is a
miracle - so what's stopping the "c-hacek" from being right too? [And
where did the backslashes and quotes come from?]

(As someone who has rusty but serviceable Russian, and plans to buy a
Cyrillic keyboard, install Russian as well as UK English support into XP
and start removing the rust this is not merely an academic question :)

Alastair

PS Outlook (Express) gets it wrong too; strangely, the only email
package I've come across which correctly renders the c-hacek is Mozilla.

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