Re[2]: Sending confirmation

[Michael L. Wilson]

Hello Chris,

I checked and none were checked.  Other ideas accepted.

old message...
> Hello Michael,

> Saturday, November 20, 2004, 12:51:31 AM, you wrote (at least in part):

MLW>> Now, every time I click send after
MLW>> writing my response in a rely email, I am asked to confirm sending.  I
MLW>> would like to turn this off.

> From The Bat! main screen

> account--properties--options--uncheck confirm immediate sending

> that should do it.

My reply...


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Re: Sending confirmation

[Chris]

Hello Michael,

Saturday, November 20, 2004, 12:51:31 AM, you wrote (at least in part):

MLW> Now, every time I click send after
MLW> writing my response in a rely email, I am asked to confirm sending.  I
MLW> would like to turn this off.

From The Bat! main screen

account--properties--options--uncheck confirm immediate sending

that should do it.

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Sending confirmation

[Michael L. Wilson]

TB BETA ERS,

I needed to reinstall The Bat.  Now, every time I click send after
writing my response in a rely email, I am asked to confirm sending.  I
would like to turn this off.

Michael

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Re: Access Violation in sorting office after undo

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Boris,

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:57:46 +0100GMT (19-11-2004, 23:57 +0100, where
I live), you wrote:

>> Anybody confirms?
BA> Confirmed - can you make a bugreport?

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4064

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Re: Access Violation in sorting office after undo

[Boris Anders]

Hello Roelof,

Roelof Otten wrote (in ):

> Anybody confirms?

Confirmed - can you make a bugreport?

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Params-Bug in NFS? (was: NFS: erratic behaviour with subfilters)

[Boris Anders]

Hello Boris,

Boris Anders wrote (in ):

> I don't know if there is a logical error in my idea, but I try this
> immediately after send this message.

Ok - I faild. But I think because of a bug in "set user params" and
"additional params" since (including) 3.0.16: So here is my BugReport:

Since version 3.0.16 "set user params" doesn't work. While following
filter works fine in 3.0.15, it fails in (and higher than) 3.0.16:

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [F5AA0302.01C4CE84.0AF9A79C.1230F80E]
Name: A
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`21\0D\0A}
UserParam param A value 1
MarkRead
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter
1
beginFilter
UID: [07DA539C.01C4CE85.5354944A.3B79D379]
Name: B
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`27`A`0`1\0D\0A}
MarkUnread
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter

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Re: Lost all mail on Exchange account

[Peter Gannushkin]

Hi Feli,


PG>> TB! v. 3.0.2.5 just deleted the whole thing. The .tbb file is
PG>> empty.

> I don't think it was TB!

AFAIK, TB stores the mail locally. When I checked it it was truncated
and the mail was gone.

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Re: Access Violation in sorting office after undo

[Miroslav Florensen]

Hello Roelof,

>   AV at address 004042BC  read of address 6568545C

confirmed

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Re: Lost all mail on Exchange account

[Feli Wilcke]

Hello Peter,

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:14:04 -0500GMT Peter Gannushkin wrote:

PG> I saw 6 new messages in my Exchange
PG> account mailbox, but when I switched to that folder it became 0.

I had a similar problem with Outlook2002. I requestetd a key on an
website and I was told that a mail is on it's way to me. Then I could
see mail from this domain for a very short moment in my inbox and then
it disapeared. When I used a pop account I had no problems to get the
mail with the link in it.

PG> TB! v. 3.0.2.5 just deleted the whole thing. The .tbb
PG> file is empty.

I don't think it was TB!

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Access Violation in sorting office after undo

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo tbbeta,

  Started the sorting office
  Pressed the create new filter button
  That was a mistake, so I did
  Edit -> Undo
  On the left side the new filter disappeared on the right side my
  'new filter' was still open
  I selected an existing filter and got:
  AV at address 004042BC  read of address 6568545C

  It reproduces every time when I don't have a filter selected before
  creating the new one and almost every time when another filter is
  selected. The AV addresses change.

  Anybody confirms?

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Re: test gmail retr

[Tony Boom]

Hello Avi,

  A reminder of what Avi Yashar on TBBETA typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 20:50:30 GMT +0200

> Well, let's look at what is written in those instructions

 You look at what you like, I'm looking at Gabby Rosalyn on TV at the
 moment :)


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Re: test gmail retr

[Avi Yashar]

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:59:32 +, Tony Boom wrote:

> > TB works with Gmail, but it requires more savvy than it should to make
> > that happen.
> 
> Not sure what problems you had configuring TB! but I found following the
> instructions for "Other" (As in other email clients) very easy to follow
> and they worked first time. I think the major problem is knowing what the
> difference is between SSL and STARTTLS. They're not the usual settings or
> ports used by normal ISP type servers that people are used to.

Well, let's look at what is written in those instructions for "Other",
which is what I also followed.

What it says is: 
___

Incoming Mail (POP3) Server â requires SSL: pop.gmail.com
Use SSL: Yes
Port: 995  
___

When I look at my TB connection options, I see "Regular", "STARTTLS",
and "TLS". Nowhere do I see "SSL". Think of me as an ordinary user
with no understanding of what these three protocols mean (which is not
far wrong). I wouldn't have a clue which one to choose. I don't see
"SSL". So what do I do? I go to the help file and run a search for
"SSL". Do I find it? No, I do not! So, Tony, how can you describe this
as "very easy"? Maybe it is very easy for you, but it is certainly not
very easy for the average user.

Let's look now at the instructions for setting up SMTP.

___

Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server â requires TLS: smtp.gmail.com (use 
authentication)
Use Authentication: Yes
Use STARTTLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL)
Port: 465 or 587  
___

So now I am looking for STARTTLS or SSL (or so it seems). We already
know that SSL is not there. Unfortunately, STARTTLS is there. But when
I try to use it, the STARTTLS option (secure to regular port) does not
work. I have to use the TLS option (secure to dedicated port). Again,
maybe this is all "very easy" for you, but I found it rather
confusing.

The fact that Gmail seems to be using a somewhat different and
possibly contradicting terminology than TB makes me wonder whether the
TB use of terminology is accurate or up to date. And so I remarked as
follows:

> > This is all that I was saying here. Think of it as another documentation
> > complaint.

You answered:

> And I believe that the documentation for setting up TB! should be on the
> Google site. 

Yes, definitely! In one of my first messages on this topic, I
explicitly regretted that there was no specific instructions on the
Google site regarding configuring TB for Gmail. There seems to be a
marketing and support issue here. Ritlabs should be in contact with
Gmail to get such instructions posted. Ideally, the Ritlabs technical
writer should be involved in this task, but... as we all know...
Ritlabs does not have a technical writer nor does it seem very serious
about getting one. :-(

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Text is removed from SmartBat when is copied by Ctrl+C or Ctrl+Ins

[Marek Mikuš]

Hello all,
this is really strange to me, but it happens and I can reproduce this
allways.

I  have text in SmartBat (i have many Pads, this one has 140kB, but it
happens  in  small  Pads too) and when I copy it by that combos, close
SmartBat  with Esc and open it again, copied text is not there. When I
copy  it  and  paste to other place, it is there when is window closed
and reopened.

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Smartbat window can be opened once only outside The Bat!

[Marek Mikuš]

Hello all,
I  have  set  combo  Ctrl+F12  (but  tested other) in system shortcuts
section  for  SmartBat window and when I am outside The Bat! window, I
can  open  Smartbat  via  this combo, but once only - nothing happens,
when  I  try  to  open  it  again  after closing it. In TB, it appears
allways.

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Re: TB crash on Maintenance

[Tony Boom]

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Hello Joe,

  A reminder of what Joe on TBBETA typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 09:12:37 GMT -0500

> This happens to me 100% of the time.  Very easy to recreate.

 Can't confirm that. Just ran all 4 checks and it worked without incident.


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Re: test gmail retr

[Tony Boom]

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Hello Avi,

  A reminder of what Avi Yashar on TBBETA typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 14:45:40 GMT +0200

> I am sure that a lot of people have complained on this point, not just a
> few TB users.

I sincerely hope so.

>feel free to use my arguments as if they are your own. :-)

Still waiting for a reply from them but thank you.

> TB works with Gmail, but it requires more savvy than it should to make
> that happen.

Not sure what problems you had configuring TB! but I found following the
instructions for "Other" (As in other email clients) very easy to follow
and they worked first time. I think the major problem is knowing what the
difference is between SSL and STARTTLS. They're not the usual settings or
ports used by normal ISP type servers that people are used to.

> This is all that I was saying here. Think of it as another documentation
> complaint.

And I believe that the documentation for setting up TB! should be on the
Google site. After all Eudora is there and nowhere in Eudor's documentation
do they mention gmail so why should The Bat include it... Come to think of
it how many people do you know that use Eudora?

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Re: Lost all mail on Exchange account

[Peter Gannushkin]

Hi Alexander,

> I can't test this until next Monday, but I remember how annoyed I was when
> I last tried TB with Exchange because it started to synchronise its folders
> on *every* startup :) so I'd say there is a way to re-synchronise.

Let me know if you'll find it out.

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Re: Lost all mail on Exchange account

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Peter Gannushkin & everyone else

on 19-Nov-2004 at 16:56:45 (GMT +0100), you wrote:

>> Is it really gone from the Exchange mailbox? Have you looked at it with
>> Outlook?

> No, it is only gone from the TB!, but all mail is still on the Exchange
> server. The folder was truncated. As far as I know, there is no way to
> re-synchronize it with the TB!.

I can't test this until next Monday, but I remember how annoyed I was when
I last tried TB with Exchange because it started to synchronise its folders
on *every* startup :) so I'd say there is a way to re-synchronise.

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Re: Lost all mail on Exchange account

[Peter Gannushkin]

Hi Alexander,

>> I cannot believe it happened. I saw 6 new messages in my Exchange account
>> mailbox, but when I switched to that folder it became 0. All my mail is
>> gone. TB! v. 3.0.2.5 just deleted the whole thing. The .tbb file is
>> empty.

> Is it really gone from the Exchange mailbox? Have you looked at it with
> Outlook?

No, it is only gone from the TB!, but all mail is still on the
Exchange server. The folder was truncated. As far as I know, there is
no way to re-synchronize it with the TB!.

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Re: Lost all mail on Exchange account

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Peter Gannushkin & everyone else

on 19-Nov-2004 at 16:13:19 (GMT +0100), you wrote:

> I cannot believe it happened. I saw 6 new messages in my Exchange account
> mailbox, but when I switched to that folder it became 0. All my mail is
> gone. TB! v. 3.0.2.5 just deleted the whole thing. The .tbb file is
> empty.

Is it really gone from the Exchange mailbox? Have you looked at it with
Outlook?

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Lost all mail on Exchange account

[Peter Gannushkin]

Hi All,

I cannot believe it happened. I saw 6 new messages in my Exchange
account mailbox, but when I switched to that folder it became 0. All
my mail is gone. TB! v. 3.0.2.5 just deleted the whole thing. The .tbb
file is empty.

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TB crash on Maintenance

[Joe]

Hello,
   Anyone else have this problem.  I click Folder --> Maintenance.
TB uses 100% CPU for 30 seconds, then just goes away.  No error messages, nothing, just quits.
This happens to me 100% of the time.  Very easy to recreate.


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Re: test gmail retr

[Avi Yashar]

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:35:25 +, Tony Boom wrote:

> > So I am also not a happy camper on this point
> 
> Then do as I have done and write directly to Gmail Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Tony, I don't need to back you up. My complaint is already on file
with Google long before you sent yours. I also don't see a need for
petitioning like that. I am sure that a lot of people have complained
on this point, not just a few TB users.

> Read what I said on TBOT and backup what I said adding your own arguments
> as well.

I read it. My arguments are already on file with Gmail. But if you are
still in correspondence with Google on this subject, feel free to use
my arguments as if they are your own. :-)

> > So it is essential that TB support Gmail and do it smoothly.
> 
> I believe it should be the other way round, gmail should support all mail
> clients, not just the rubbish ones.

Google states clearly that an email client will only be supported if
the client supports SMTP authentication. That is the only restriction
that I saw. But the general instructions for configuration did not
tally directly with the TB interface. That makes me wonder whether the
terminology used in our TB interface is standard. TB works with Gmail,
but it requires more savvy than it should to make that happen. This is
all that I was saying here. Think of it as another documentation
complaint.

The reason why I said it is essential that TB support Gmail and do it
smoothly is simply because of the number of TB users who are likely to
have Gmail accounts in the future and who will want to use TB to
access Gmail. It is Ritlabs' choice, of course, but I think the
alternative is to handle an unnecessary and costly support load of
translating the instructions on the Gmail server to each TB user with
Gmail. I expect that TB could even lose some prospective customers -
people who download the shareware, test it out on their Gmail account,
fail to find an easy way to configure TB, and abandon TB for something
that seems to work better. Think of this as a marketing suggestion.

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Re: test gmail retr

[Johannes Posel]

Dear Thorvald,

Going back 08:17 19.11.2004...

> Port 587 works with STARTTLS and TLS works with 465. I am not sure
> why.

Because they conform to the RFCs. 587 is the "mail submission port"
that must provide STARTTLS and AUTH, and 465 is the (legacy)
sSMTP/SMTP-over-SSL port that works with SSL from the beginning of the
connection.

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Re: gmail

[Johannes Posel]

Hi there tbbeta,

Going back 18:46 17.11.2004...

>   This is a bit OT but would somebody please get me up to
>   speed on how to obtain a gmail account.  I did a google
>   search and it seems that an application is required but
>   have been unable to locate a proper link

To add to the others, I too still have invites free, so if you too
want a gmail account, drop me a mail off-list... ;)

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Re[2]: test gmail retr

[Paul Van Noord]

11/19/04  6:56 AM
Received From: Tony Boom  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hello Avi,

  A reminder of what Avi Yashar on TBBETA typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 12:24:45 GMT +0200

> So I am also not a happy camper on this point

 Then do as I have done and write directly to Gmail Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 Read what I said on TBOT and backup what I said adding your own arguments
 as well.

> So it is essential that TB support Gmail and do it smoothly.

I believe it should be the other way round, gmail should support all mail
clients, not just the rubbish ones.

--Original Message Above---

Right on, Tony, right on!

I use mostly European authored software as it is much better coded and
is alot more compatible. Even though I am an American I get very tired
of Microsoft, Intuit and many others who believe the world should bow
down at their doorstep instead of serving the world. I am an original
beta tester for QuickBooks and know Scott Cook on a first name basis.
He was successful by serving others with a passion. Now Intuit is
self-serving and obnoxious. Nothing like money and "success" to ruin
something good.

--

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[Tony Boom]

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Hello Stuart,

  A reminder of what Stuart Hemming on TBBETA typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 11:34:53 GMT +

> Are you sure?

 I was until it arrived here... Just got to wait for my address change to
 take effect.


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Re: Testing 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 2 1 2

[Stuart Hemming]

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>> Hello tbbeta,
TB>  I sent that to tbudl not this one ?
Are you sure?

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Re: Testing 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 2 1 2

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Hello Tony,

  A reminder of what Tony Boom on TBBETA typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 11:00:38 GMT +

> Hello tbbeta,

>   Are we there yet?

 I sent that to tbudl not this one ?


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Testing 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 2 1 2

[Tony Boom]

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Hello tbbeta,

  Are we there yet?


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Re: test gmail retr

[Tony Boom]

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Hello Avi,

  A reminder of what Avi Yashar on TBBETA typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 12:24:45 GMT +0200

> So I am also not a happy camper on this point

 Then do as I have done and write directly to Gmail Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 Read what I said on TBOT and backup what I said adding your own arguments
 as well.

> So it is essential that TB support Gmail and do it smoothly.

I believe it should be the other way round, gmail should support all mail
clients, not just the rubbish ones.


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Re: test gmail retr

[Avi Yashar]

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:36:19 +0100, Thorvald Neumann wrote:

> Sorry, I have not the time to read TBOT 

Likewise. The TB-related traffic on tbbeta is already as much as I can bear.

> But I would be interested to hear what Gmail replies to your email.

Likewise. FWIW, this problem is not just confined to POP3. You notice
it also when you use the Web interface. So I first encountered it
about a month ago and complained to the Gmail support staff at that
time. I also submitted a wish to Google a few days ago that they
either change the behavior or at least provide an option to change the
behavior.

As I see it, Google's argument about a cluttered Inbox fails on two
points. (1) Google keeps reminding you that you have 1Gb space and you
don't need to worry about deleting anything. So why should users worry
about a few duplicate messages? (2) Gmail provides filters and an
efficient anti-spam engine that are quite effective at reducing
clutter of the Inbox.

Having said all that, I can almost live with the way Google has this
set up. Almost. What disturbs me the most is the fact that threading
of messages gets confused. A private reply to mailing list message
gets muddled in with a public reply. This could lead to unfortunate
events. :-) And while I do get a notice from Google if a message I
send to a mailing list is not received by the list, Google would
probably not be able to inform me that my message never appeared on
the list if it is a moderated list and my message was not approved by
the moderator.

So I am also not a happy camper on this point. I am getting by with
the occasionally muddled threading in Google's Web interface and
making do with some Outgoing Mail filters in TB. It is not entirely
satisfactory, but it is not so bad either - a relatively small
inconvenience (hopefully temporary) to endure while reaping the
numerous benefits

> BTW, I do not think Gmail AND TB are OT. It may well belong to TBUDL,
> because there are certainly others experiencing the same problems
> (e.g. ports, not receiving copies etc.).

Likewise. Right now it looks like Gmail could be the wave of the
future. I expect that a significant percentage of TB users will have
Gmail accounts and that this percentage will go on increasing for a
while. So it is essential that TB support Gmail and do it smoothly. It
is disappointing that there are no direct instructions for configuring
TB for POP3 in the Gmail help. It was a bit confusing at first,
because the general instructions did not correspond neatly with the
interface of TB.

-- 
Avi Yashar
Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.4


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Re: test gmail retr

[Tony Boom]

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Hello Thorvald,

  A reminder of what Thorvald Neumann on TBBETA typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 10:36:19 GMT +0100

> It may well belong to TBUDL, because there are certainly others
> experiencing the same problems

I'm not on TBUDL, s'pose I should get myself over there.


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Re: test gmail retr

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Friday, November 19, 2004, 10:21, Tony Boom wrote:
>  No, get yourself over to TBOT, you don't know what your missing, it can be
>  great fun over there. There's a lot less chance of getting a slimy earole
>  as well.

Sorry, I have not the time to read TBOT (and I do not remember my very
old Yahoogroups-password; they seem to have changed the reminder
function to enter location, postal code etc. Which I certainly did not
enter back on egroups.).

But I would be interested to hear what Gmail replies to your email.

BTW, I do not think Gmail AND TB are OT. It may well belong to TBUDL,
because there are certainly others experiencing the same problems
(e.g. ports, not receiving copies etc.).

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Re: test gmail retr

[Tony Boom]

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Hello Tony,

  A reminder of what Tony Boom on TBBETA typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 09:21:47 GMT +

>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tbot/

 Forgot to say, if you don't want to subscribe you can still read the posts
 from the link I sent. G-Mail drivel is the post I sent with my reply to
 their explanation for censorship.


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Re: test gmail retr

[Tony Boom]

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Hello thn,

  A reminder of what thn on TBBETA typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 10:13:15 GMT +0100

> I am not on TBOT.

> I guess I just change back to the GMX account.

 No, get yourself over to TBOT, you don't know what your missing, it can be
 great fun over there. There's a lot less chance of getting a slimy earole
 as well.

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tbot/


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Re: test gmail retr

[thn]

Hæ!

Friday, November 19, 2004, 08:59, Tony Boom wrote:
>  But more about that on TBOT when my eyes are less bleary.

I am not on TBOT.

I guess I just change back to the GMX account.

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Re: test gmail retr

[Tony Boom]

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Hello thn,

  A reminder of what thn on TBBETA typed on:
  19 November 2004 at 08:17:58 GMT +0100

> What I do not like is Gmail obviously filters my emails to the list,
> so that I do not receive a copy of my mails. :(

> Quite annoying.

 Glad you noticed. I'm in deep dispute with them at the moment. I got a
 reply from an actual person last night spinning me a load of twaddle he
 obviously copied off the FAQ pages.

 But more about that on TBOT when my eyes are less bleary.


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