Re[2]: 4.2.13.2
Hello Bob, Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 0:38:00, you wrote: >>I just installed this version - and for the first time, I cannot have >>any mail downloaded from Gmail's IMAP server. Thank you! I have been also able to reproduce this problem. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.2.13.2
Hello Volker, Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 21:47:08, you wrote: >>> I really do not like this >>The feature itself maybe very useful for serveral people, but not for >>me. The Menu Navigator IMO is not important enough to give it such a >>prominent position in the menu bar. => View|Menu Navigator is >>sufficient. Maybe the option (in the Optins|Preference) to show it in the title bar when the themes are disabled should also show or hide it in the menu bar? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.2.13.2
Hello Mse, Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 20:35:42, you wrote: >>> The Bat! 4.2.13.2 ALPHA is available at >>> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb42132.rar >>Is there any possibility to use the menu navigator completely by keyboard? It's a good idea, thank you. What kind of Hotkey are you offering for it? Shift+Ctrl+M? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Respect (was: New MSI on Ritlabs site)
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:13:55 -0500, Gleason wrote: >> Nowadays it surely looks like the only people who are still defending >> The Beta! are the alpha-testers who get their upgrades for free. >Depends on where you look. I'm sorry that I forgot to mention the reglular amoats. Arjan -- [I'm sorrry that I forgot the appropriate Lucky Luke episode] Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Respect (was: New MSI on Ritlabs site)
Arjan, > On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:57:20 -0500, Vili wrote: >>I think, TB reached a critical step. > It has reached that step 5 (or more) years ago. > Nowadays it surely looks like the only people who are still defending > The Beta! are the alpha-testers who get their upgrades for free. Depends on where you look. > Arjan -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Respect (was: New MSI on Ritlabs site)
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:57:20 -0500, Vili wrote: >I think, TB reached a critical step. It has reached that step 5 (or more) years ago. Nowadays it surely looks like the only people who are still defending The Beta! are the alpha-testers who get their upgrades for free. Arjan -- [Non-text ... etc] Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.13.2
Hello Bob, Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 12:12:17 PM, you wrote: BR> Hmmm. I didn't find that email address in my exceptions log. Could BR> someone have copied what I sent and inadvertantly copied your email BR> address in the process? It does not appear here in the original email Bob sent either. -- Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Using The Bat! v4.2.13.1 ALPHA on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.13.2
Hello Bob, Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 10:12:17 AM, you wrote: > Hi Everyone, > Hmmm. I didn't find that email address in my exceptions log. Could > someone have copied what I sent and inadvertantly copied your email > address in the process? > Bob Riley > On 11/18/2009 10:54 AM, John Sherman wrote: >> Hello Bob, >> Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 3:13:03 PM, Bob Riley wrote: >> >>> Thanks for that tip, Marek. Here are three exceptions which occurred in >>> the space of five minutes: >>> >> >>> >>> Received: for >>> Date: 17 Nov 2009 15:29:14 >>> >> This is a great mystery to me since I am jwsher...@gmail.com. Can anyone >> explain how this came to appear in Bob Riley's exception log? Actually, I snipped that from the email that came directly from you to Marek at the list. Here is the full content from that email: -- Thanks for that tip, Marek. Here are three exceptions which occurred in the space of five minutes: Received: for Date: 17 Nov 2009 15:29:14 OS: Windows XP Service Pack 3 build 2600 PhysMemFreeTotal: 1269/2047 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 1976/2047 MB Address: 00C9E0B5 ClassName: EImapSocketError Message: !! - Socket error. Code: 0 (hex:) IsOSException: 0 Modules: 0040 20091117172546 D:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe Stack: 00C9E0B5 [0040] 00C9E0B0 [0040] 00CA0397 [0040] 0046BA58 [0040] 00405ADC [0040] Date: 17 Nov 2009 15:30:01 OS: Windows XP Service Pack 3 build 2600 PhysMemFreeTotal: 1273/2047 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 1977/2047 MB Address: 00A00304 ClassName: EAccessViolation Message: Access violation at address 00A00304 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0024 IsOSException: 1 Modules: 0040 20091117172546 D:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe Stack: 00A00304 [0040] 00564C9E [0040] 00442703 [0040] 0065002C [0040] 00650073 [0040] 009B296D [0040] 009BE0B0 [0040] 00751C8E [0040] 00753783 [0040] 00753001 [0040] 00753AB5 [0040] 00772A3D [0040] 004BFB89 [0040] 0051B1CC [0040] 004BFA73 [0040] 0046D58C [0040] 005564C0 [0040] 00556502 [0040] 0055675E [0040] 00C95699 [0040] 00C99B39 [0040] 00CA91D4 [0040] Date: 17 Nov 2009 15:34:34 OS: Windows XP Service Pack 3 build 2600 PhysMemFreeTotal: 1272/2047 MB VirtMemFreeTotal: 1976/2047 MB Address: 00C9E08A ClassName: EImapConnectionLost Message: IsOSException: 0 Modules: 0040 20091117172546 D:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe Stack: 00C9E08A [0040] 00C9E085 [0040] 00CA0397 [0040] 0046BA58 [0040] 00405ADC [0040] Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.13.2
Hi Everyone, Hmmm. I didn't find that email address in my exceptions log. Could someone have copied what I sent and inadvertantly copied your email address in the process? Bob Riley On 11/18/2009 10:54 AM, John Sherman wrote: Hello Bob, Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 3:13:03 PM, Bob Riley wrote: Thanks for that tip, Marek. Here are three exceptions which occurred in the space of five minutes: Received: for Date: 17 Nov 2009 15:29:14 This is a great mystery to me since I am jwsher...@gmail.com. Can anyone explain how this came to appear in Bob Riley's exception log? John Sherman Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.13.2
Hello Bob, Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 3:13:03 PM, Bob Riley wrote: > Thanks for that tip, Marek. Here are three exceptions which occurred in > the space of five minutes: > > Received: for > Date: 17 Nov 2009 15:29:14 This is a great mystery to me since I am jwsher...@gmail.com. Can anyone explain how this came to appear in Bob Riley's exception log? John Sherman Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Respect (was: New MSI on Ritlabs site)
Hi, V> I think, TB reached a critical step. It was the writing on the wall quite some time ago, even going back a few years. Nobody listened then. I see no reason why anyone would now. V> We cannot be polite anymore. We have to be straight... Don't bother. I tried that one at a time, too, but it didn't work either. The key figures in RIT developement obviously have no idea that this list exists, let alone read it. -- MfG, Altomailto:a...@treadstone79.de The Bat! 4.2.10.1 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgppwtcZwDQvR.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Respect (was: New MSI on Ritlabs site)
[Reply to: »Vili« · 2009-11-18 · 15:50 h (CET)] >>> THESE ARE CUSTOMERS, not eggheads from this list! >> Thanks for the respect for the people here on the list, who are – >> by the way – mainly paying customers, too. > I meant that simple users, using the computers for everyday > communication, word processing, work, etc. Not like us, who know the > programs in details, etc. Maybe my English, sorry for that. I > consider everybody being an egghead on this list (including myself), > meaning that we know hardware/software in much more details than the > average. I did not use the words nerd, geek, etc, right? Of course, IMHO egghead is pejorative. But this discussion will lead to nothing. Cheers! VA - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net | /\^o^/\! [Pro] 4.2.13.1 ALPHA Operating System: Windows XP [Build 2600 – Service Pack 3] Direct eMail without [The Bat!] in subject line will end in Nirvana! »The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Respect (was: New MSI on Ritlabs site)
[Reply to: »Vili« · 2009-11-18 · 15:57 h (CET)] Moin, Vili! >> And of course pay attention to your diction! :-/ > Just one more thing: please watch an episode of Dirty jobs on the > Discovery Channel. That is real life. No, thanks. I have an own real life. > I think, TB reached a critical step. There is no real quality > control anymore. We cannot be polite anymore. We have to be > straight... But here is the wrong place! RITLabs is the right addressee, so send Max, Stef or Alexander a *direct* eMail. – Period! Cheers! VA - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net | /\^o^/\! [Pro] 4.2.13.1 ALPHA Operating System: Windows XP [Build 2600 – Service Pack 3] Direct eMail without [The Bat!] in subject line will end in Nirvana! »I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.« – Douglas Adams (* March 11, 1952; † May 11, 2001) Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Respect (was: New MSI on Ritlabs site)
> And of course pay attention to your diction! :-/ Just one more thing: please watch an episode of Dirty jobs on the Discovery Channel. That is real life. That is how many people has to work to get a living. I did some of those jobs. I remember. So, I dont keep my mouth shut and be artificially polite because that can hurt somebody's oversensitive feelings... What I wrote in my previous email is true. I think, TB reached a critical step. There is no real quality control anymore. We cannot be polite anymore. We have to be straight... I am sorry if I curse sometimes, but I am frustrated by these problems... Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New MSI on Ritlabs site
>> He could try out the latest beta as well: >> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb42131.rar > "beta" or "alpha" ?!? Whatever it is, this is not how the issue should be handled :( -- Vili Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Respect (was: New MSI on Ritlabs site)
>> THESE ARE CUSTOMERS, not eggheads from this list! > Thanks for the respect for the people here on the list, who are – by > the way – mainly paying customers, too. I meant that simple users, using the computers for everyday communication, word processing, work, etc. Not like us, who know the programs in details, etc. Maybe my English, sorry for that. I consider everybody being an egghead on this list (including myself), meaning that we know hardware/software in much more details than the average. I did not use the words nerd, geek, etc, right? Diction: I am sure passionate. But how I could not be when customers go down in flames because of faulty software? How would you feel if you car would go down because the at a checkup the guy accidently put some water in the engine? This is what happens here, dont you realize? How could I be not high when TB is reaching an all time low?? IMAP, Exchange are barely functional, thought it is in the list of features... We are promised, promised and promised stuff. We get buggy software back. I cannot tolerate it. Period. I am not a soft spoken guy, sure, but I give my heart and soul to a purpose if that is worth for that... Are you satisfied with the discussion about Menu navigator when there are MUCH bigger issues??? -- Vili Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Respect (was: New MSI on Ritlabs site)
[Reply to: »Kertész Vilmos« · 2009-11-18 · 14:14 h (CET)] Moin! > THESE ARE CUSTOMERS, not eggheads from this list! Thanks for the respect for the people here on the list, who are – by the way – mainly paying customers, too. And of course pay attention to your diction! :-/ Cheers! VA - -- Volker Ahrendt | q...@ahrendt.net | /\^o^/\! [Pro] 4.2.13.1 ALPHA Operating System: Windows XP [Build 2600 – Service Pack 3] Direct eMail without [The Bat!] in subject line will end in Nirvana! »The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair.« – Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »Mostly Harmless« Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New MSI on Ritlabs site
He wrote: > He could try out the latest beta as well: > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb42131.rar "beta" or "alpha" ?!? -- Mackley stuck with 4.2.12 final Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New MSI on Ritlabs site
Hello Alexander, KV>> TB of one of my very important customer, distributor of Total KV>> Commander, notified him about a new version, appeared yesterday on KV>> Ritlabs site, he downloaded, installed and TB dont start up. KV>> Downgraded, does not start. > First of all he has to make sure whether thebat.exe process stays there and is > not terminated. Is the splash screen shown or not? Does he use the on-the-fly > encryption of message base? What is the version he updated from? > He could try out the latest beta as well: > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb42131.rar > He can also contact me directly. Yes, and all customers should contact you? How?? They dont have email, remember? "Could try...". THESE ARE CUSTOMERS, not eggheads from this list! Understand?? Fuck... Be careful what you put on your website! I have to put back the shit in the horse because of poor programmership :((( I will get answer to your questions in the meantime. -- Vili The Bat 4.1.11.13 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 3 Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
4.2 on the website, REMOVE that IMMEDIATELY
Hello Maxim, Remove the install files you put there yesterday on your website immediately!!! Second customer wrote, that after TB told them there is a new version available, they upgraded and it does not start after that!!! Shit... -- Vili The Bat 4.1.11.13 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 3 Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.13.2
> The Bat! 4.2.13.2 ALPHA is available at
> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb42132.rar
> What's new in 4.2.13.2 since 4.2.13.1:
> [+] For S/MIME internal implementation, you can now use Elliptic Curves
> Cryptography in addition to RSA. You can choose between algorithms when
> generating a new certificate.
> [-] The "View Folder" window didn't have the Menu Navigator in the "View" menu
> [-] (#0002180) Menu navigator's icon (Question mark) is blinking
> [-] (#0002309) MenuNavigator does not become unfocused when when is unfocused
> [+] The Menu Mavigator buttons are now shown in the menu bars (EXPERIMENTAL)
not working with IMAP (connection SSL to exhange server). No AV, no
connection to imap/exchange serwer.
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Re: New MSI on Ritlabs site
Hello, Kertész! On Wednesday, November 18th, 2009, at 10:54:19 GMT +01:00 (CET) (at the same time it was 18/11/2009, 11:54:19 my local time), you wrote (at least in part): KV> TB of one of my very important customer, distributor of Total KV> Commander, notified him about a new version, appeared yesterday on KV> Ritlabs site, he downloaded, installed and TB dont start up. KV> Downgraded, does not start. First of all he has to make sure whether thebat.exe process stays there and is not terminated. Is the splash screen shown or not? Does he use the on-the-fly encryption of message base? What is the version he updated from? He could try out the latest beta as well: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb42131.rar He can also contact me directly. -- Sincerely, Alexander Petrari RITLabs Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Menu Navigator and Message / Re-send issue
Hello Rick, Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 22:43:48, you wrote: >>In the Message menu "resend" is misspelled as "re-send" This will make it >>counterintuitive and nearly impossible for someone to find using the Menu >>Navigator (unless they have the misspelling memorized) >>I think "Re-send" should be corrected >>Comments? Thank you, it's a good idea! We will do that. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.2.13.2
Hello Ian, Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 22:21:46, you wrote: >>MM> [+] The Menu Mavigator buttons are now shown in the menu bars >>(EXPERIMENTAL) >>Is this the binoculars at the start of the menu bar? Yes, it is. We will change the binoculars image to a more suitable image, these binoculars are temporary. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:m...@ritlabs.com Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New MSI on Ritlabs site
TB of one of my very important customer, distributor of Total Commander, notified him about a new version, appeared yesterday on Ritlabs site, he downloaded, installed and TB dont start up. Downgraded, does not start. -- Vili The Bat 4.1.11.13 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 3 Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
