Re: Missing the Information about Anti-Virus Pluigns
Hello Thomas, On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, at 09:44:54 [GMT -0300] (which was 7:44:54 AM in NY, USA) Thomas Martin wrote: Nice! Speaking of which, shouldn't the TB site have Regula listed in the spam solutions section. It truly is a great filter. You are speaking of my side? If so; here we go: http://www.thebatworld.de/modules/download/index.php?op=viewlinkcid=15 All available plugins listed. Or did you ment the Ritlabs page? Sorry, I should have made it more clear. I was referring to the Ritlabs page. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.85.02 Windows XP build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 1.0gb RAM Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Missing the Information about Anti-Virus Pluigns
Hello Thomas, On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, at 19:21:40 [GMT -0300] (which was 5:21:40 PM in NY, USA) Thomas Martin wrote: By the way, i would love, if wished, to do my page also in English, but therefore we need help. We are one very active (me), and two less active who do the german part. How do you think about that, and who would help in case? I'd be willing to help if I can be used. But I don't know German. I'm afraid I'd be more of a hindrance, having to ask you, is this what it means all the time. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.85.02 Windows XP build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 1.0gb RAM Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Missing the Information about Anti-Virus Pluigns
Hello Thomas, On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, at 23:31:13 [GMT -0300] (which was 9:31:13 PM in NY, USA) Thomas Martin wrote: We have a collection of plugins but we lack the detailed information about each plugin. Have a look at: http://www.thebatworld.de/modules/download/index.php?op=viewlinkcid=14 Clicking on the 'Details' button brings all informations up you need. Nice! Speaking of which, shouldn't the TB site have Regula listed in the spam solutions section. It truly is a great filter. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.85.02 Windows XP build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 1.0 Gb RAM Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Hyperlinks in e-mail
Hello Terry, On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, at 13:38:08 [GMT +0100] (which was 8:38:08 AM in NY, USA) Terry wrote: Hi TBBers, I have lost my ability to click on hyperlinks in an e-mail and have the web page open if the browser iss closed. I've had this happen on and off in the past. Each time, I've found that FF was actually triggered since it was listed in the task manager. I always assumed it was related to my firewall (Outpost) since it catches any applications that launch the browser. My only fix was the kill the FF task and try again...or have FF open as you've already found. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.72.08 (Beta) Current beta is 3.72.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Anyone could give a help with BayesFilter?
Hello Eddie, On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, at 17:28:54 [GMT +0100] (which was 11:28:54 AM in NY, USA) Eddie Castelli wrote: Anything I did wrong or must I do some further adjustments? If you haven't already, I would follow the instructions on enabling the RegEx filters and downloading the SpamPal RegEx rules from this page: http://www.lkcc.org:8500/index.php You could also try Regula (in addition or in replacement). I've found Regula to be to Spam Filters what TB is to Email. If you can read German, it's probably even better than I realize :) You can get Regula here: http://www.gaijin.at/ I wish there was a TBOTSpam mailgroup to focus on these topics. -- Best regards, James Senick Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Peter, On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, at 00:28:24 [GMT +0100] (which was 6:28:24 PM in NY, USA) Peter Palmreuther wrote: My decision, my responsibility. No need to castrate a program and prevent me from doing so, without really exigent reasons Very well said! As for the Drafts folder proposal, why can't one just create a folder called drafts and drag the saved as draft message to it? It's very intuitive that way since you simply drag into-it :) It's certainly no more time consuming than jumping through the hoops that the should never be possible type features place before me. -- Best regards, James Senick Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Offsite Images
Hello Leif, On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, at 10:10:02 [GMT -0600] (which was 12:10:02 PM in NY, USA) Leif Gregory wrote: Hello Michael, Thursday, October 20, 2005, 9:49:40 AM, you wrote: John Doe Users don't even know that TheBat! exists! TheBat! is an email-client for experienced users who search for it and buy a licence being conscious about its functions and features. That would be a very incorrect statement. Mary Bull... Front and center please. Mary came to TB with very little knowledge of how e-mail and the internet worked. I think part of the point Michael was making is that there are many who come to TB for its power user features not it's security features. I am one of those. And even while I understand the security issues, there is still a nagging feeling that the lack of built-in offsite image handling is a limitation. Personally, I wouldn't recommend TB to someone who I felt needed to be protected from all the Internet baddies they didn't understand. If they cannot understand the threats, how can they understand TB? Internet 101 before Internet 102. In the same way, I wouldn't recommend a tank to a new driver for protection. Bad analogy? Tank Owning Teen: Gee Dad, why can't I turn right and left smoothly like all my friends who have regular cars? Security Dad: Don't you worry your pretty little head about all that turning right and left nonsense; those vehicles are for dads who are clueless and care not for their childrens' safety. Tank Owning Teen: This owner's manual is from 1902! Security Dad: Documentation is a security risk. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.61.10 Echo (Beta) Windows XP Current beta is 3.61.13 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Offsite Images
Hello Leif, On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, at 12:13:25 [GMT -0600] (which was 2:13:25 PM in NY, USA) Leif Gregory wrote: Be a part of the solution. 1. When a message comes in that contains outside images it should be checked against a whitelist. snip 2. Do we only accept file references to an actual image and not a page designed to display an image? snip 3. We'd need to tie into the anti-virus snip All these assume that the solution will involve TB deciding what will and what will not be displayed. I think the nice thing about the way TB is now is that I can view the message without risk first, then double-click the attachment afterward. I don't want TB deciding what I can't see anymore than I want OE deciding that I see everything. What about a message pane toggle that is off by default for every message. Once the user confirms that they want to take the risk, the click the toggle. They could also click OK on a warning alert. The resulting message opens in a tab like the TXT, HTML tabs there are now. Moving to another message toggles back to default. A registry hack or ini file edit could exist for those wanting the toggle to default to ON. And they could disable the warning. Usually, the html messages that I need or want are those I have received many times before. Most of them are from me actually. If one were to spoof one of these messages, I would know while viewing it in the default secure mode. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.61.10 Echo (Beta) Windows XP Current beta is 3.61.13 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Re[2]: Offsite Images
Hello Leif, On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, at 08:11:12 [GMT -0600] (which was 10:11:12 AM in NY, USA) Leif Gregory wrote: Friday, October 21, 2005, 7:16:06 AM, you wrote: Personally, I wouldn't recommend TB to someone who I felt needed to be protected from all the Internet baddies they didn't understand. If they cannot understand the threats, how can they understand TB? Internet 101 before Internet 102. Really? So you'd advocate the use of Outlook or Outlook Express because it's easy? Wow... Not at all. I just recommend that people learn a bit about what they're doing. Basically I suggest that people learn basic math before using a calculator. But people listen to marketing first. I only make suggestions when people are ready to listen. That's why I'm broke :) In the same way, I wouldn't recommend a tank to a new driver for protection. Bad analogy? I got to shoot at a tank once during M-79 (40mm grenade launcher) qualifications. Nothing like seeing an HE (High Explosive) round go off on the top of a tank. grin Me too but only with those rounds that went with a poof of purple smoke. The live rounds were a...umm, security risk. :) -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.61.10 Echo (Beta) Windows XP Current beta is 3.61.13 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Offsite Images
Hello Paul, On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, at 10:14:42 [GMT -0400] (which was 10:14:42 AM in NY, USA) Paul Van Noord wrote: JS The resulting message opens in a tab like the JS TXT, HTML tabs there are now. Moving to another message toggles JS back to default. You can have this feature right now: http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/E-mail/E-mail-Clients/Foxmail.shtml Yes, and I DO have it right now. But I don't like to switch to a semi-useless email client for only a handful of emails. I used to try though--forwarding those I wanted to see to Becky. Nevertheless, this isn't a solution. This is an alternative. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.61.10 Echo (Beta) Windows XP Current beta is 3.61.13 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Offsite Images
Hello Leif, On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, at 10:04:49 [GMT -0600] (which was 12:04:49 PM in NY, USA) Leif Gregory wrote: Regarding roguemoticons and smileys... However, it was shot at by members of the list as making TB insecure, and RITLabs listened and shut that functionality down. After all the time and energy I put into it. But you know what? They were right to do it. It *did* make TB insecure. Actually, IIRC, it was only the fear of it making TB insecure that got the feature shot down. I recall the final conclusion being that there was no danger. Not the same case here, however. The real problem I see with the argument for and against this feature is the fact that it never develops beyond the bickering stage. It seems to me that the against side believes the pro side to be ignorant of security issues while the pro side believes the opposition is against anything that isn't plain text. I think the true issue for the pro side is that they have a use for offsite images being displayed and feel they don't need to be protected by what amounts to annoyances. Imagine if TB simply blocked all attachments from being opened directly...one just has to jump through a few hoops to get screwed. Same here. The strong point that the opposition has is that a simple on / off switch that toggles the allowing of offsite images is just like a secure / insecure button. Think about it. Any global option like that counts for all messages, not just the legitimate. Also, a right-click show image option isn't a whole lot better...still two clicks but only one image! Any argument for this feature should start here. Just remember that even with proof of security the roguemoticon feature failed to make the cut. One last note, after wanting this feature for several years I've found that very few of the images in html email added much to the message content. If they did, I was already on my way to the site anyway. One of the few exceptions to this are those html emails that are all one spliced image. If 99% of the world didn't use crap like OE, perhaps those companies would learn to write. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.61.10 Echo (Beta) Windows XP Current beta is 3.61.13 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
display count of messages selected
Hello tbbeta, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before. But TB used to display a count of the currently selected messages as a tooltip when passing the mouse over the highlighted messages. It's not doing that now in my 3.5 version. Has this been fixed or re-added in any of the stable 3.5 beta versions? It's odd how we come to depend on little things like this. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.5 Windows XP build 2600 Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Lost Scheduler
Hello Stefan, On Tue, 17 May 2005, at 08:46:57 [GMT +0300] (which was 1:46:57 AM in NY, USA) Stefan Tanurkov wrote: Sorry. My mistake. All I had to do was expand the dialogue box for the tree and all to appear. Without doing this, it looked exactly as if I had the same problem as before...no way to add a new scheduled item. Please give me some screen shots or a mid link if you were explaining this before... Sure. Just to reiterate, I believe this to be a non-issue with v3.5. It just looked like it was the same problem I had previously. http://www.rosedreamdesign.com/TheBat/0505_sched.png is very close to what I originally saw with all TB releases between 3.024 rush and pre-3.5 releases. The dialogue box could be expanded but nothing additional was revealed nor was there a right-click menu. Now, with 3.5, I saw the very same when first launching the scheduler but when I dragged the window edges to expand it, more is revealed as shown in the second screenshot and all right-click functionality was functional. http://www.rosedreamdesign.com/TheBat/0505_sched_2.png I think this is everything that is supposed to show. My original babbling on this subject can be found here: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] These unique problems are always the most difficult to adequately explain. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.5 Windows XP build 2600 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Lost Scheduler
Hello Stefan, On Tue, 17 May 2005, at 17:37:03 [GMT +0300] (which was 10:37:03 AM in NY, USA) Stefan Tanurkov wrote: Sure. Just to reiterate, I believe this to be a non-issue with v3.5. It just looked like it was the same problem I had previously. Hmm. Did you try to resize the window and fiddle a bit with splitters? If it doesn't help, just exit TB!, fire up the RegEdit and delete the key HKCU\Software\Rit\The Bat!\SmartPad. HTH I'll try it. But could you, or anyone, send me a screenshot of what the scheduler is supposed to look like? -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.5 Windows XP build 2600 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Lost Scheduler
Hello tbbeta, I was previously using 3.024 rush since anything else caused me to lose my scheduler. Now it appears that 3.5 does the same. No one had this same issue to my knowledge. But just in case, has anyone seen this same situation? By the way, 3.024 rush was a clean install. I like all the new customization features but I can't really use it without the scheduler. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.5 Windows XP build 2600 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Lost Scheduler
Hello All, On Mon, 16 May 2005, at 22:49:19 [GMT -0400] (which was 10:49:19 PM in NY, USA) James Senick wrote: I was previously using 3.024 rush since anything else caused me to lose my scheduler. Now it appears that 3.5 does the same. No one had this same issue to my knowledge. But just in case, has anyone seen this same situation? Sorry. My mistake. All I had to do was expand the dialogue box for the tree and all to appear. Without doing this, it looked exactly as if I had the same problem as before...no way to add a new scheduled item. My apologies. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.5 Windows XP build 2600 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Should we use acronyms in TBBETA or not?
Hello Maxim, On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, at 23:27:46 [GMT +0200] (which was 4:27:46 PM in NY, USA) Maxim Masiutin wrote: That's a cute idea! Another way of solving this problem may be a feature to automatically expand the acronyms. The feature will be ON by default, and the users enought advanced to comprehend the acronyms will be also able to turn this feature OFF. I am in favor of this idea either by expanding acronyms or showing a tooltip. Though, expanding text may adversely alter wrapping in replies etc.. I am also in favor of the feature being on by default. I think you'd want new users to see as many semi-unique features as possible. Those not wanting the feature will know about it through these lists with plenty of advance notice via beta cycles. It's not overly troubling to disable a feature, is it? Lastly, I wouldn't put it off until everyone's favorite pet bug is fixed. I'd begin when it makes sense within your development plans. I think there's a bit of a misguided fear here that sees new features and bug fixing as mutually exclusive. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Should we use acronyms in TBBETA or not?
Hello Mary, On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, at 10:36:06 [GMT -0600] (which was 11:36:06 AM in NY, USA) Mary Bull wrote: I am also in favor of the feature being on by default. I think you'd want new users to see as many semi-unique features as possible. ... I do see your line of reasoning here, but at present I still disagree with having the feature on by default. It is on by default in Trillian, and it includes word definitions, also. I was intrigued when it first popped up but now it is getting in my way. And I *don't* know how to disable it. sigh I can sympathize with that. I don't really consider not being able to find the toggle right away a reason to have it default to OFF. But the fact that the feature itself would get in the way or be annoying to some is enough reason for me to drop the idea of having it default to ON. If the acronym tooltip / expansion was listed as a feature, I'm sure those who wanted it could find it. ... Those not wanting the feature will know about it through these lists with plenty of advance notice via beta cycles. ... Not everyone is reading these lists, not even those who have been reading them a long time read every word of every thread. I guess I am incorrectly assuming that most of those who are or would be against this reside right here. My fault. It's not overly troubling to disable a feature, is it? ... Yes, it is sometimes, for me. Because I can't always find out how to do it. Was especially difficult for me when I first began using The Bat! Ok. From a new OE convert standpoint, I'd see any feature that isn't right in my face as non-existant and any obvious feature as potentially configurable. But I'd bet that there are plenty of others who believe the exact opposite. So that might make my general point moot. I'll take a step back and say I'd just like to see the feature exist. ... I think there's a bit of a misguided fear here that sees new features and bug fixing as mutually exclusive. Basically I do believe that we are on the same side, here, James. But--once burned, twice shy. I'd like to see the next beta keep as much focus as possible on 9Val's new GUI, on as much improvement in IMAP functionality as possible, and on getting the quirks out of the HTML functionality. This is more to the point of what I was trying to say. I don't want to see the development team shy away from a new feature because some believe that the mere interest in it or even work on it takes away from bug fixing in any way. But I suppose that for those who do feel burned the burden of proof lies with RitLabs. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP build 2600 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Multipart message question
Hello tbbeta, I'm really not sure if this is a beta issue or not. I receive Web statistics reports that are multipart html messages with embedded images. Forwarding these messages leaves the recipient without images since the embedded images are sent as part_01.jpg, part_02.jpg, etc.. Also, double-clicking the html attachment renders it in the browser without images for the same reason. Lastly, the same happens when archiving with MailBag and attempting to open it in a browser. Is there something I am doing wrong or is this a TB issue. All the procedures I mentioned above used to work fine. -- Best regards, James Senick http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP build 2600 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Updated Beta or Release for Christmas
Hello MAU, On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, at 20:40:40 [GMT +0100] (which was 2:40:40 PM in NY, USA) MAU wrote: ,-- [From:http://www.calendar-updates.com/Holidays/US/threekings.htm ] | Traditionally in Mexico, Three Kings Day was the gift-giving time, | rather than Christmas day. Just as it is common for children to leave | cookies for Santa in the U.S., in some regions of Mexico, it was | customary for children to leave their shoes out on the night of January | 5, often filling them with hay for the camels, in hopes that the Three | Kings would be generous. Mexican children would awake on January 6 to | find their shoes filled with toys and gifts. `- I am Mexican and always wondered where my tendency toward large shoes came from. Thanks for that. -- Best regards, James Senick Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Updated Beta or Release for Christmas
Hello Kevin, On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, at 09:25:59 [GMT -0500] (which was 9:25:59 AM in NY, USA) Kevin J. Menard, Jr. wrote: On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:37:39 -0500, Ethan J. Mings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Is it fair to say there will be no further releases or betas prior to Christmas? Haven't RITLabs already said there wouldn't be a Christmas edition this year? Actually, I believe what was said was that there would not be a release (and thus a Christmas edition) until 2005. However, there was hope within RitLabs that a new beta would surface before Christmas. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Scheduler Question
Hello Alexander, On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, at 21:33:51 [GMT +0100] (which was 3:33:51 PM in NY, USA) Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Hmmm, sounds like something's broken. Maybe you should try to repair your installation (from the control panel / add remove programs) and try with the 3.0.1.33 release version? That worked. However, if I then go anywhere beyond 3.0.2.4 in any order, the scheduler gets hosed again. Actually, I can see old scheduled tasks in 3.0.2.5 and 3.0.2.8 but only if I go to SmartBat first, then scheduler. The same is true for each launch of TB. But even when I can see those scheduled tasks in .5 and .8, I lose the Scheduled Tasks tree on the upper left. All I get is the calendar vertically centered on the left. This seems especially odd. Going to 3.0.2.10 directly from the release or after updating in order doesn't show the tasks or the tree no matter what I do. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Scheduler Question
Hello Alexander, On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, at 17:47:45 [GMT +0100] (which was 11:47:45 AM in NY, USA) Alexander S. Kunz wrote: That worked. However, if I then go anywhere beyond 3.0.2.4 in any order, the scheduler gets hosed again. Actually, I can see old scheduled tasks Hm hm. Are you using Home or Professional? On The Fly Encryption? Professional. No OTFE. I was never asked to enable it either. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Scheduler Question
Hello Alexander, On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, at 18:16:53 [GMT +0100] (which was 12:16:53 PM in NY, USA) Alexander S. Kunz wrote: OK. I'm running out of ideas here. I'm using the Home version. I thougth it may have to do with OTFE as I've read here before, but I don't know what to do now, sorry. Just to be sure I uninstalled TB entirely along with the registry entries. I then freshly installed the release version. The Restore procedure worked flawlessly, BTW. (Wish I would have trusted it beforehand.) Still anything after 3.0.2.4 hoses my scheduler. And I was still never asked to use OTFE. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Scheduler Question
Hello tbbeta, Perhaps I've grown incredibly thick but I can't see anything to do within the scheduler. I just have a calendar and four blank panes on the right. There are no buttons nor right-click functionality. IOW, I can't do anything. Am I missing something? -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Scheduler Question
Hello Alexander, On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, at 19:43:10 [GMT +0100] (which was 1:43:10 PM in NY, USA) Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Thats odd, I have a right-click context menu and it has a New... item - keyboard shortcut is INS, maybe you can check if pressing that does anything? Yes, indeed it does. Thanks. Perhaps my glyphs are causing a problem? I don't think I saved the original glyphs. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Scheduler Question
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, at 14:13:28 [GMT -0500] (which was 2:13:28 PM in NY, USA) James Senick wrote: keyboard shortcut is INS, maybe you can check if pressing that does anything? Yes, indeed it does. Thanks. Perhaps my glyphs are causing a problem? I don't think I saved the original glyphs. The only problem now is that the scheduled item I just set up isn't listed in the scheduler. The task works but I cannot edit it. This makes me wonder how many other nifty features I am missing. :( -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Sorry, but what is the rogue?
Hello MaXxX, On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, at 00:56:18 [GMT +0200] (which was 6:56:18 PM in NY, USA) MaXxX wrote: Fetch alone can't trigger anything, to my knowledge. Oh yes, it can. It's an HTTP request, so it can easily be: 1. traced - after all, the owner's IP is verified 1.1. traced for specific user's IP - spam sent with unique ID numbers, acting as involuntary reading receipt 2. counted - again, for benchmarking how many users have TB installed Agreed but for all the above but none of these trigger a thing locally. And still, this can only occur from servers I designate. That means *me* specifying what happens on *my* machine...not yours, and not those of any other TB users. Perhaps these are good arguments for administrative control but not for the tossing of the auto-download option. 3. overflowed - with chunked content-type, and evil chunk lengths, some fetchers might get confused This is an interesting one. I'm interested to hear Leif, Marck, and 9Val on this. Without understanding exactly how TB handles the transaction, I'd still say you're thinking more in terms of something like IE which could allow ActiveX type script to execute. With TB, I'm thinking that all the fetch command does is retrieve the image and mark its notation. It alone probably doesn't have any part in triggering the display. Also, I was once sent a message with a header that was too long. TB refused to receive it. I can't think of any reason why one would believe that RitLabs' HTTP handling would be any different. I concede that this is entirely faith based. Not to mention that this makes TB! a wormhole. Suppose that a user has his machine firewalled. They stupidly click a download link on some webpage, and install some trojan. The trojan can hardly try to connect to the outside world, as it would be detected by the firewall. But it can safely wait for TB to download new data, with new instructions, new payload, perhaps... That's not a TB vulnerability. That's a browser vulnerability. Please, someone count the number of steps a user must take to have rogue image auto downloading become even a slight danger to themselves. Don't forget that they must first start by enabling rogue display and auto-download which are disabled by default and then allow another application's vulnerability to be exploited. This last part is key because it is at that point that *anything* on the system can be compromised...rogues or no rogues. Security, IMO, is not necessarily protecting every user from themselves. It's more the provision of tools and defaults. For example, just because I can go to the Address Book, click on Joe Blow, click on personal, and click Go to launch Joe's possibly compromised Web site that I would have to enter does not mean we should get rid of the ADB or the Personal Web Homepage entry. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.2.12 RC/3 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM pgptKnLbxfzxd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is v2.12 RC/4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 2.12rc3 rogue display problem (was Re: The Bat! 2.12 RC/3 is now available)
Hello Plan9, On Sun, 11 Jul 2004, at 10:50:03 [GMT -0400] (which was 10:50:03 AM in NY, USA) Plan9 wrote: Yes it does show and all others show properly as well until I close the View Folder window and reopen it. Then the whole process starts again. Just an idea. It may not be related at all. But what I did was cut all entries from all the msl files in the images folder. I pasted each set of entries into separate temp files in case I wanted them back. I then saved the original msl files which were blank except for the top portions down to line 9, I think. After a restart of TB, all was well. My issue was with auto downloading but your problems may be related. It sounds like TB may be getting conflicting info on which rogue image to display. Since you were all involved with this early on, your image entries may be very much like mine were. That one screenshot of Allie's message seems to destroy my theory and support the bad rendering idea. It's all black except for the transparent portions. Then again, if TB were loading multiple images atop one another, wouldn't they appear solid black minus the transparent parts? -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.2.12 RC/3 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current beta is v2.12 RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Rogues: Auto-downloading in RC/3
Hello TBBeta, I seem to have overcome my Rogue issues by erasing the listings in the PDFS2.msl and restarting. All works perfectly now regardless of whether a sender is in my ADB, in my ADB with photo, or none of the above. If I had to guess, it looked like a struggle for rogue image rights among files and the ADB. Thanks for everyone's advice. Hope I helped a bit in some way also. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.2.12 RC/3 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current beta is v2.12 RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: HTML Editor proposal
Hello Allie, On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, at 15:28:15 [GMT -0500] (which was 3:28:15 PM in NY, USA) Allie Martin wrote: Another thing that concerns me is the reverse situation, where I'm the victim of this auto-defining of font faces and sizes. What if your html editor preview were to be configured per your default html *view* settings while your actual message were to default to be sans background color, font size, and font face? If TB's html editor *view* were not directly linked to the message's code, this could go smoothly, IMO. But such a thing would confuse a lot of people migrating from OE/OL. However, this isn't always good since the plain text version may not contain vital formatting that's in the HTML version, a typical example being the HTML mail sender deciding to use differently coloured text to distinguish quoted from new text and abandoning quote prefixes. I think the use of multipart messages is the answer here. How practical is it to implement the means to override these font face and size tags as well as background, or even to increase the font size when viewing? I'd think it would be very practical to all recipients of html messages. As for implementation, I'd like to see a button on the viewer that could override any html message to one's default settings. Dennis Hayes employs the use of something similar on this site http://www.haysdesign.com/ and similar usage is displayed here as well: http://www.alistapart.com/stories/alternate/ We already have this power in TB, as you note, provided that no absolutes are declared. The above examples are possible answers to those messages that do have absolute declarations. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.63 Beta/6 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current beta is 1.63b6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Editor proposal
Hello Stefan, On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, at 12:03:17 [GMT -0500] (which was 12:03:17 PM in NY, USA) Stefan Tanurkov wrote: Well, this is just another reason of implementing HTML in The Bat! - we can grab more people from out there and teach them how mailing should look like so nobody gets hurt :-) Indeed. It is also important to remember that the majority of our html recipients will still be OE/OL users. We want to give them a good experience as a recipient of our messages, not one that clashes with everything they do with OE. IOW, we don't want to get in a formatting war...we'll lose no mater how correct we may be. TO ALL: if you remember, in my New Year greeting, I was asking if somebody wants to write an essay about proper HTML messaging (let's disregard the opinion it should not be used at all - it is too idealistic ). Does anybody has any thoughts about it? Stefan, I'd love to be a part of this as long as it remains an open essay. I'd hate to have my essay or another's essay chosen for use if it disagrees with many TB users opinions. With that in mind, I'd propose a separate temporary mailing list, message board, or the like so as not to clutter the ones in place or force those who wish to participate be hard pressed to locate all pertinent messages. For the final usage of whatever is compiled, I'd suggest a pop-up or bubble tip type display instead of an essay. I doubt people migrating from OE would read such an essay. But let's say they click the button to set their font color and a bubble pops up reminding them that setting a color may prevent recipients with similar background colors from properly viewing their masterpiece. Of course, TB users should have the ability to globally disable these tips. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.63 Beta/6 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current beta is 1.63b6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Send To menu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello Shahar, On Wed, 06 Mar 2002, at 20:26:37 [GMT +0200] (which was 1:26:37 PM in NY, USA) Shahar wrote: Hello James No. No groups. BTW - I use NT4 SP6 Can you perform other attachment operations normally? ...like dragging a file onto TB or using the attachment button? - -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. - --Aldous Huxley The Bat! v.1.54 Beta/45 Windows 2000 build 2195 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQCVAwUBPIZgT7UD0qHLxr2DAQFdawQAlruI/MgXmdxtLr/KIGugOjxmJlyj7d70 uq1AZfdOKSoXI8qs+4tiwGNT6nBBaDkDUton+AH31yeJ0qu7pwfMCOXZ6SWMslGE HY0RMd1nEuYqCsFhyQFkVOHT8hMw8oZCy11KJV/LTYUUuqRHxqfe3R29l8tgTyLC BGdpIqTDxTw= =iHSt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Bug or my mistake?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello Nick, On Mon, 04 Mar 2002, at 22:16:17 [GMT -0800] (which was 1:16:17 AM in NY, USA) Nick Andriash wrote: Nick Andriash As a side note, you can see that your quoting method needs improving. I Nick Andriash would first suggest that you not use the 'Name' as a quote prefix... Thanks for taking the time to drop in to tell me that. Nick Andriash especially when using tabs... because the prefix becomes too long. Try Actually, the problem is two-fold: First, TB doesn't wrap quoted / pasted text in the editor. Thus the final message result is a guess at best. Second, I didn't account for the tabs in the original message though I feel this is something that should be done automatically. I use the full name for the benefit of those who scour the archives, myself included. Nick Andriash initials if you must, but personally I like the KISS principle and simply use a . :o) Thanks again...the next time I compose a message with your personal preferences at stake, I'll keep that in mind. - -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com We can lick gravity, but sometimes the paperwork is overwhelming. -- Wernher Von Braun The Bat! v.1.54 Beta/45 Windows 2000 build 2195 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQCVAwUBPITjprUD0qHLxr2DAQE9gAP/cWSVzwqdT1XalkPSD4VgJW2Z4oszotfO KMeAf7VvEbnhHmsbjLFkdcOj5SJCfFnL0ouSTq/dkeRfLYJWKuaheZHrLsLg67Jx fbN9j23+jJYbqJkeQt9FjBXcz/ZpEZ3BLCFZQdHxPoLt1fe08gGc9Aegx32/f99p sONZn1cx1Rk= =AbV0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Bug or my mistake?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello Nick, On Tue, 05 Mar 2002, at 08:00:02 [GMT -0800] (which was 11:00:02 AM in NY, USA) Nick Andriash wrote: Thanks again...the next time I compose a message with your personal preferences at stake, I'll keep that in mind. Nick Andriash My reply was in the interests of everyone who has to read malformed Nick Andriash Replies, so there was no need for your above remark. The reference to a Nick Andriash single quote prefix was just my own personal preference and was not Nick Andriash meant to insinuate you should use it... it was only a choice, along with Nick Andriash use of initials. Don't sweat it...nothing more than a bit of sharp edged humor. But since you speak on behalf of the interests of everyone who has to read malformed replies I shall alter my quoting style. ;) Is there a way to change quoting prefixes on a folder level? I need to keep them as is for other mail in this particular account. Nick Andriash As to the problem with wrapping quoted text, you can include the Nick Andriash following macro in your Reply Template: Nick Andriash %WRAPPED=%Quotes You're correct...my mistake. I was sure that my template was set to wrap them but it is not. But back to my original question, is the re-send command supposed to trigger the Send Queued Mail command as a side effect as well? - -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com Much madness is divinest sense. - --Emily Dickenson The Bat! v.1.54 Beta/45 Windows 2000 build 2195 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQCVAwUBPIUKQ7UD0qHLxr2DAQG0CAP/XDGDOr75a8qEqXOzylzXcKxtxF4x/OLK iZeVYVYtt/A5jyMcWAc31rexPPLzoHqsVnhQDw1DrQdlyJ1zfLjXJr9qzNYSj8yq etRy/Uo/ex/44yLPxdvLuHvvVq3mLw9zxCZPsrVTwhKmxB4CuHRTt0r3OAOBbnF/ slDbdQ0u4Uc= =5R1q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Bug or my mistake?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello Dwight, On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, at 11:56:34 [GMT -0600] (which was 12:56:34 PM in NY, USA) Dwight A Corrin wrote: Dwight On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, 9:26:14 AM, James Senick wrote: I use the full name for the benefit of those who scour the archives, myself included. Dwight The problem with that is that many of us have the distance from the margin where a will be treated as marking a quote set too narrow for Dwight the long names you are using. Therefore they don't get marked as Dwight quotes and it's confusing. I don't really follow you but thanks for trying to explain. Nevertheless, two complaints is enough for me to admit I am in the wrong here. Dwight, could you send me a sample of your reply template to my personal address? I just want to see what you mean in regards to marking quotes by referencing margin distance. - -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com Happiness isn't something you experience; it's something you remember. - --Oscar Levant The Bat! v.1.54 Beta/45 Windows 2000 build 2195 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQCVAwUBPIUNW7UD0qHLxr2DAQGsGgP/XR7f6MLIo3MULIz3KwiHFOPfWztlJmlO S+VSLrFfZm03j5BHOtb57TxfkeXmtZh8+E9KUintfRh8ayGolZRLvdFzadDt+nsP vlwgGoMRtSD25zLRPRSUGCgDyH/A3Hram6E/PXNNucEZU4xnR5FaHaUK7gcbomYY GMwv1PtY/yA= =fMf1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Bug or my mistake?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello Mrten, On Tue, 05 Mar 2002, at 19:32:25 [GMT +0100] (which was 1:32:25 PM in NY, USA) Mrten wrote: But back to my original question, is the re-send command supposed to trigger the Send Queued Mail command as a side effect as well? Mrten You can park messages in your Outbox as well as anywhere else, and new Mrten messages are parked by default AFAIK. It just doesn't look like a P, but Mrten some kind of weird hourglass. Yes, I can verify that they were all set to Save as Draft status in the past. What I cannot be sure of is if they were changed. I know I didn't change them one by one though and I don't think they can be changed even by mistake in one fell swoop. Mrten If you're concerned about escaping messages, try to fill in mail-adresses Mrten last, just before sending :) Good idea. But really they should have been deleted long ago. Unfortunately they were quite lengthy and I have been taught to save all forms of writing, especially if it sucked. I normally move these into a temp sub folder of the Outbox. But in this case I had not. That part is my fault for certain. So I am not 'mad' at my little Bat at all. But just confused as to why the re-send also triggered a queued mail send. Mrten And watch out, if you unset the hourglass to delete it the message might Mrten be sent inadvertently in the small timespace between deleting and sending Mrten if a 'mail retrieve/send' is triggered in that time. I have made this mistake in the past with test messages. But this wasn't a regular send / receive (which I don't use) but a specific re-send directed from the message editor itself. Mrten Mrten. Mrten (PS. Hate those names before the '', personally. Breaks every other Mrten mail-client there is. You might call it 'Outlook-like', breaking Mrten conventions et al. :) 8( Thanks. That makes 3...and countless silent complaints. - -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - --Aldous Huxley The Bat! v.1.54 Beta/45 Windows 2000 build 2195 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQCVAwUBPIUYnLUD0qHLxr2DAQGUZwP+Ku7Qz92yz8bYm2CRBcLF0OKUCFUxIVcG +aK14Top6SCwS8ID22dxFkDqcSwteSqOQiX9ik9A1imPTMI6RwndT2p/YTXic30Y RKR/+Gjc5mB8LRr17ysTkgj/OJOBkL+F5p5y5Sa2WlZmIpnM5a/okrTASZerZBmK xFtvfOW6vyM= =exiY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: Bug or my mistake?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello Marck, On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, at 18:35:27 [GMT +] (which was 1:35:27 PM in NY, USA) Marck D Pearlstone wrote: On 05 March 2002 at 13:11:05 -0500 (which was 18:11 where I live) James Senick wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a way to change quoting prefixes on a folder level? The best way is to use the %QUOTESTYLE=.. macro in the associated template (this should be on a per destination address rather than per folder basis). Thanks Marck. I'll work on it. Nick Andriash %WRAPPED=%Quotes You're correct...my mistake. I was sure that my template was set to wrap them but it is not. Not entirely. This will only wrap the first paragraph. To wrap all quotes, you would have to employ one of the recursive macro techniques to wrap all paragraphs. Nick did mention that in his reply to me. I neglected to include it in my reply. But back to my original question, is the re-send command supposed to trigger the Send Queued Mail command as a side effect as well? I haven't observed that. Then again, I always park (as draft) mail I don't want to send yet. I do as well. But I'm not prepared to blame TB on that part since I've done weirder things that I didn't remember. On the question of the re-send also sending queued, not saved as draft messages...it does! I've tested it several times since with a few messages to myself saved to the Outbox, then unmarked as save as draft, then re-sending a message from the Sent folder. TB re-sent the correct message but also sent the queued messages. Now I realize that the messages weren't 'protected' in the Outbox during my test since I purposely unchecked them for test purposes. But it still seems to me that they should not have been sent unless I specifically issued the Send Queued Mail command (or send mail from all / send check from all). To me, the re-send is just an extension of the regular send. And the regular Send does not send queued mail but rather just the one specific message you tell it to send. And that seems right to me. But the re-send command does not work the same. If that's the way it's supposed to work, I can deal with that. I just find it hard to believe that is the case. - -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com Try to learn something about everything and everything about something. -- T.H. Huxley The Bat! v.1.54 Beta/45 Windows 2000 build 2195 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQCVAwUBPIUdE7UD0qHLxr2DAQGGAQP/eUWbCEsz8dSpxpuD3xt3d15omIom4cXC pQ+3USRPd50ykOahjLBzPpb2IaWTL8lCgIHOXs8gNMJnuzqoFBAtgXzsThPAc2F5 t5D9B+Rgim6iePgFsazWG3TQFUhZDf9y6FjWc3tTp9Fb701XNucSGvI14cXfnknr udvvpL4iP9M= =T9rA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: 1.54 Beta/45
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello Stefan, On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, at 19:03:25 [GMT +0200] (which was 12:03:25 PM in NY, USA) Stefan Tanurkov wrote: Stefan Tanurkov Please also check whether the AV on exit still happens... Fixed Here! - -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com What is to give light must endure burning. - --Viktor Frankl The Bat! v.1.54 Beta/45 Windows 2000 build 2195 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQCVAwUBPIBeiLUD0qHLxr2DAQFkagQAw2reHxpiytKakaYtapYdSShUBzZojahF ySM9Nf0VvQwGXXmnl5qupvcnD14+9UKGaJwSffSK13XBo9Juvkoq+cjJlPSI WtHPJ0JnkAgIH8yya6bv5oVKmxbgUnkbr4r4qoeKUmU3rD/g8G0/0XNEOxi85hea WaGf9n7yC3k= =nfDD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : https://bt.ritlabs.com/ BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: HTML bug
Hello Eugene, Friday, February 15, 2002, 5:49:34 AM, Eugene Savitsky wrote: Eugene The bug: look at the attach. In Bat! the font in set to 2 for all Eugene fonts, but in document only Albany is set to 2. Eugene Sfen says the 2 is set for all fonts in document, but I disagree and Eugene all browsers also (they shows it correctly). Numerous points to make here: First, the default font size (the one that a browser will revert to if none is specified) is size 2 which is roughly equivalent to 12 point I believe. Second, as m.tatarynowicz suggested, the font size is not correctly specified in the style spec since it does not include a unit of size (pixels, em, points, etc.). So that particular part of the style sheet should and would be ignored or taken at its default of size pixels which it does here in TB but renders as size 2 in IE. These are not bugs but different interpretation of faulty code. Third, the the doctype tag at the beginning of the document declares this document to be of HTML 3.2 specification which does not account for CSS 1 or CSS 2. Therefore, Amaya would not parse the style portions of the style. Even if it did, it would be looking for the style type=text/css line which is missing from the style declaration. But that is missing. However, it matters little what Amaya does because I doubt very many people have Amaya as their default browser. Luckily IE accounts for faulty WYSIWYG editors and displays what it can decipher anyway. Fourth, although the style declares Albany as the body font and there is no body text in the document, it would only show to those with Albany installed. I don't have Albany and thus it is correctly rendered as the default font at the default size -- Times New Roman at size 2 in IE. And body text is not the same as table text. Table text must be declared on its own when using font tags. Style is inherited, however. So one mixing the two can confuse themselves easily. So, in a sense, you and Sfen are both mistaken. Though the Bat renders the document differently than IE, I wouldn't call it a bug in TB; I'd call it numerous bugs in the document itself. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com An educator should consider that he has failed in his job if he has not succeeded in instilling some trace of a divine dissatisfaction with our miserable social environment. -- Anthony Standen The Bat! v.1.54 Beta/39 Windows 2000 build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
Re: HTML bug
Hello Thomas, Friday, February 15, 2002, 7:54:11 AM, Thomas Speer wrote: Thomas And I did some more Testing: Thomas Color Settings and Font settings are taken into the Table as seen in the atached HTML Thomas but Fontsize settings are not. Here's a better test in that some of the styles are more obvious. But quite honestly, I've now confused myself. :) Though this isn't the way I'd go about styling my document normally, it appears that the Bat came the closest to doing what I expected. I tested in IE, TB, and Opera. Opera's rendering was pretty close to IE's though both only inherited part of the body style into the table text -- the color and font. Both Opera and TB missed the CSS 2 cursor change but that's to be expected. There may be a rule in conflict that I am forgetting here. But I am pleased with TB's representation. If it is wrong in its interpretation of the body style, at least it's consistently wrong which is more than you can say for the browsers. If it inherits part of a style, it should inherit all of it as it does. Thomas so I think the bug report should be send to Microsoft, Nescape co! They are well aware of the problems. But unless they feel threatened that you'll begin using the Bat to browse the Web, I don't think they'll pay much attention. :) -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not. --Dr. Seuss The Bat! v.1.54 Beta/39 Windows 2000 build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Title: Test Redo Test the Text Test the Text Firma Aadress Telefon Telefon2 E-mail Web
Re: 1.54 Beta 37
Hello Pim, Tuesday, February 5, 2002, 4:08:07 PM, Pim Slim wrote: Pim Almost every time (at least 90% of the times) I shut down TB! I get Pim this error message (see attach). This happens since (about) beta 29 or Pim 30 and I can't figure out when or why it happens. I really hoped Pim beta 37 would solve the problem. Pim It does not. Same here. I was convinced this was a folder compression thing but all experiments involving compression failed...setting all folders not to compress, 're-compressing' all folders, removing old messages that were compressed...nothing seemed to work. That's not to say that the problem isn't still compression related. But I am thinking that the question is: what else does The Bat do upon exit? Could it have something to do with the *KNOWN* folder that is in some accounts but not others? James -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! v.1.54 Beta/37 Windows 2000 build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wish List : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/
