Re: The Bat! 8.5.4 MSI files
Hi Maxim, You guys do GREAT work! This from a 20 yr. user of the TheBat! That hasn't been active on the list for a long while but only because with 20 yrs. of messages from 6 accounts with almost 500K messages sorted to over a thousand folders I tend to be very careful with upgrading till a version looks pretty stable for a while... You can see attached my first message from you folks 20 yrs. ago! Keep up the SUPER work! I'd dare anyone to point to another email offering that could live up to my workload and still be searchable after all this time! I'm still running v7.4.14 for a long time without any problem but watching the list it looks like about time for another upgrade to 8.x :-) Best regards, Jim - Original message text -- From: Maxim Masiutin Received: Wednesday, Wednesday, July 4, 2018, at 3:55 PM To: Maik Lehmberg CC: Subject: The Bat! 8.5.4 MSI files Hello Maik, Wednesday, July 4, 2018, 9:52:10 PM, you wrote: > the problems with TLS 1.2 are fixed (server > email.gwdg.de)! Thank you very > much. Thank you for the good news! I was really worried until I heared first feedback that it finally worked! -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Current beta is 8.5.2.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html--- Begin Message --- The Bat! Version 1.043 Copyright (C) 1997-98 RIT Research Labs Dear Jim Brown, This is pre-release version of The Bat! We hope that we have eliminated major problems and made the program more stable and reliable. If there are any problems with help system, or you think that some help topics are uncovered, please do not hesitate to write us. We are also aware of you finding "bugs" in The Bat! - it is possible that we made some mistakes since the program grows in its complexity. In case of any abuses or bugs detected while using it, please don't hesitate to write us to Information requests: i...@thebat.net Bug reports: b...@thebat.net Useful suggestions: w...@thebat.net All suggesions to improve our program are very welcome. The thing that needs a special remark is that most of the program's interface elements have their own local menu which is available on the right mouse button click or Alt+F10 key combination. This local menu system will navigate you through all features of The Bat! Some more hints: - it is possible to view message while message list is active: - by listing using button - by scrolling using - folders are sorted manually by pressing key and mouse drag Thank you for finding time to evaluate our program and we hope that using it will be pleasant for you. RIT Research Labs. http://www.ritlabs.com --- End Message --- Current beta is 8.5.2.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Enable POP access
From: Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Enable POP access Hello Tbbeta, Unfrotunately, until we resolve this issue, you will have to login once via the web interface to www.thebat.net to enable POP access. Once you login and agree to the terms, you will see this screen http://www.google.com/mail/help/images/screenshots/enable_pop/pop.gif under Forwarding and POP task. I hope that this screen is quite self-explaining. Hi Maxim, This is about as simple as it could be... @thebat.net set up and working just dandy :) Best Regards, Jim Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Issue with mailbox
Hi Goncalo, Did you figure out the steps to reproduce that? It seems to be affecting you more than anybody else - personally, I never had that problem. I have seen this... at least once... but no more than twice in 8 years... and I haven't seen it in this Beta cycle and I have over a thousand folders... Best Regards, Jim -- Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Issues with threaded view
Hi Indie_Dev, Where are these settings stored. It seems the settings are stored in the config.cdb file which seems to be a binary CDB Database... I wonder whether somehow null/blank rows got added to the file may seem to obvious but perhaps are those clank row gaps selectable, and thus maybe able to be deleted from the views window? Best Regards, Jim -- Current beta is 3.99.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current beta is 3.99.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Personal Attack (was: Mailing List Abuse)
Hi Rick, It is the easy and irresponsible way to deem someone a troll then conspire to ignore that person. Indie had genuine concerns although some would have been better posted to another list or in the forums. Getting an off list email by someone trying to hide NEEDS to be addressed. I had always understood the word troll in this context to mean someone who not only starts trouble but baits others into it. Apparently some of you apply that term to someone that disagrees with your preconceive notions. I suppose I too qualify as a troll I'd have to concur with your thoughts... being another developer that has 'trolled' this list since 1998, but infrequently do I have great insight to add... Indie has presented valid points to support his opinions, and to me those opinions and the supporting comments should be welcomed... his repartee to some dissenting opinions has typically been friendly in nature, thus I see no reason one should want to shun him on this list. His concern after being direct mailed anonymously offlist by someone presenting info that would make the most sense to be from someone privy to this list is warranted... and that type of behavior, in my opinion is just wrong, and there's nothing wrong with making that opinion well known to the perpetrator of such an act. Best Regards, Jim -- Current beta is 3.99.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current beta is 3.99.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 3.99.8 SSL Cert. Questions
Hi Folks, 6/1/2007, 14:00:36: FETCH - Certificate S/N: 432AECC1000303CF, algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 27 Mar 2006 to 27 Mar 2008, for 1 host(s): email.cisco.com. 6/1/2007, 14:00:36: FETCH - Owner: US, CA, San Jose, CIsco Systems, EMS, email.cisco.com. 6/1/2007, 14:00:36: FETCH - Issuer: Cisco Systems, Cisco SSL CA. !6/1/2007, 14:00:36: FETCH - TLS handshake failure. Invalid server certificate (This certificate has expired). But it wouldn't seem it's expired as says decoded valid from 27 Mar 2006 to 27 Mar 2008 ? So good for another 10+ months ? Well seems that this is truly an expire certificate regardless of what the log message shows as dates... I decided to try this server TLS/SSL with Outlook Express today and sure enough it also complained of an expired certificate.. A secure connection to the server could not be established. Account: 'email.cisco.com', Server: 'email.cisco.com', Protocol: POP3, Port: 995, Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number: 0x800CCC1A Though Outlook would have let me ignore this fault... :) Sorry to bother the list... -- Best Regards, Jim Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 3.99.8 SSL Cert. Questions
Hi Thomas, JBThough Outlook would have let me ignore this fault... :) JBSorry to bother the list... Ritlabs is of the opinion that that it is in your best interest if they deny you the option of accepting an expired certificate. They say that they have heard of a grandmother who clicked on YES mistakenly, and now her system is broken. So, that's why folks who need to accept an expired certificate and really know what they are doing, cannot use TB! but must use Outlook. I'm a bit sad that Ritlabs is not interested in those customers who know what they are doing any more. THANX... After going though the effort to setup Outlook to test the account I remembered seeing this discussed in the past... thus the smiley after my comment... I can see RitLabs Point... BUT after 30+ years of Eng and support experience I'd have to second the suggestion that Alerting a User is Imperative... Denying a (knowledgeable) user after the Alert is excessive and Not in the best interest of the user OR product :( -- Best Regards, Jim Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 3.99.8
Hi BetaUsers, Subject: The Bat! 3.99.8 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39908.rar I just started seeing this cert failure at 2PM today while running 3.99.8 beta. 6/1/2007, 13:58:36: FETCH - receiving mail messages 6/1/2007, 13:58:36: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake 6/1/2007, 13:58:36: FETCH - Certificate S/N: 432AECC1000303CF, algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 27 Mar 2006 to 27 Mar 2008, for 1 host(s): email.cisco.com. 6/1/2007, 13:58:36: FETCH - Owner: US, CA, San Jose, CIsco Systems, EMS, email.cisco.com. 6/1/2007, 13:58:36: FETCH - Issuer: Cisco Systems, Cisco SSL CA. 6/1/2007, 13:58:37: FETCH - TLS handshake complete 6/1/2007, 13:58:37: FETCH - connected to POP3 server 6/1/2007, 13:58:37: FETCH - authenticated (plain) 6/1/2007, 13:58:38: FETCH - 306 messages in the mailbox, 0 new 6/1/2007, 13:58:38: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received 6/1/2007, 14:00:36: FETCH - receiving mail messages 6/1/2007, 14:00:36: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake 6/1/2007, 14:00:36: FETCH - Certificate S/N: 432AECC1000303CF, algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 27 Mar 2006 to 27 Mar 2008, for 1 host(s): email.cisco.com. 6/1/2007, 14:00:36: FETCH - Owner: US, CA, San Jose, CIsco Systems, EMS, email.cisco.com. 6/1/2007, 14:00:36: FETCH - Issuer: Cisco Systems, Cisco SSL CA. !6/1/2007, 14:00:36: FETCH - TLS handshake failure. Invalid server certificate (This certificate has expired). But it wouldn't seem it's expired as says decoded valid from 27 Mar 2006 to 27 Mar 2008 ? So good for another 10+ months ? My workaround for this today has been to set my clock back 12 hrs. I thought this might be a bug so I went back to 3.99.6 which I had been using before for weeks But still same problem... Has anyone else seen this type of issue recently? Any suggestions? -- Best Regards, Jim Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Memory Usage
I had TheBat 3.98.12 using ~70MB at clean start (with 5 Pop accts) and loosing ~4-8KB on each mail check on the server which I do aggressively, every minute on 5 accounts... it didn't take but a few hours before Total KB of the proc was 420+MB ... repeated a second time... then went back to 3.98.11 and it's been relatively stable for 4+ hrs. (start at 70MB now 92MB with initially faster then slow growth curve. So I'd say major issue was checked in with .12 changes... On 4/17/07, Bob Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Firefox: 60 MB TB: 51 MB Thunderbird: 30 MB I notice that TM memory went down to 35 MB or so when I ran Excel, and then I was away from the PC about 2 1/2 hours. When I returned. TB memory had increased to 67 MB With this window open it is 130 MB! -- Regards, Jim Current beta is 3.98.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 3.98.5
Subject: 3.98.5 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39805.rar [-] (#0006195) The Bat! didn't allow to open any attachment if the mask of disabled files was empty [-] (#0006279) No warning appears, when user enter a space between extensions in Protection section, extension doesn't work then [-] (#0006284) When replying to an HTML message with national characters encoded as Unicode, quotation is incorrectly exctracted Looks great so far here... 5 POP Accounts, 380 folders, 175K messages, W2K SP4 Best Regards, Jim -- - Original message text -- Received: Saturday, March 10, 2007, at 10:15 AM From: Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com CC: Subject: 3.98.5 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb39805.rar [-] (#0006195) The Bat! didn't allow to open any attachment if the mask of disabled files was empty [-] (#0006279) No warning appears, when user enter a space between extensions in Protection section, extension doesn't work then [-] (#0006284) When replying to an HTML message with national characters encoded as Unicode, quotation is incorrectly exctracted Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/ Current beta is 3.98.05 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.95.08
Hi Maxim, Working great here on 5 Pop accounts No OTFE... Best Regards, Jim Current beta is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Weird filtering
Hi MAU, We use this saying to express that something is quite obvious. ([If it's] white and in a bottle, [it's] milk.) Or for some of us providing software engineering support ... [it's] Maalox... ;) -- Best Regards, Jim Current beta is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.81.12 Beta is now available
Hi 9Val, The Bat! 3.81.12 Beta is now available from: Up and running with 5 POP accounts No OTFE... -- Best Regards, Jim Current beta is 3.81.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Very little list activity
Hi Ian, There seems to be very little list activity for the past few days. Is there some problem? I know that a couple of postings I have made have come back on the list but it is just that I would have expected a lot more activity. Noticed that but hoped it is just because like me others have been being pretty successful running this latest beta... Maybe the lull will give the DEV Guys a chance to surprise us with a flawless RC next... :) -- Best Regards, Jim Current beta is 3.81.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.81.05 Beta is now available
Hi 9Val, loaded and working fine here... Win2K/SP4 ~140K messages in base over 5 POP accounts... Best Regards, Jim -- Current beta is 3.81.04 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/ Current beta is 3.81.04 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.81.03 BETA
Hi Maxim, The Bat! 3.81.03 BETA is available at https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb38103.rar Running fine here... W2KSP4, No OTFE, 5 POP accounts, 5 GB mail base, 200K+ emails, only minor customization... Jim -- Current beta is 3.81.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.72.05 (Beta) is now available
Hi 9Val, The Bat! 3.72.05 (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Running fine here... W2K SP4... 5 Pop Accounts... No OTFE... Best Regards, Jim -- nothing below... Current beta is 3.72.04 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/ Current beta is 3.72.04 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.70.02 Qigong is now available
Hi Cees, up and running! ... Btw, what does Qigong mean? Nice name though. Up and running here too... Also I too was curious... at least one definition would be...; 'Qigong' is the key component of traditional Chinese medicine with a history of five thousand years (in record), which can be divided approximately into four major periods... -- Best Regards, Jim Current beta is 3.65.04 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.70.02 Qigong is now available
Hi Cees, Up and running here too... Also I too was curious... at least one definition would be...; 'Qigong' is the key component of traditional Chinese medicine with a history of five thousand years (in record), which can be divided approximately into four major periods... More of the real definition I believe.. The word Qigong (pronounced chi kung) is a combination of two ideas: Qi means air, breath of life, or vital energy of the body, and gong means the skill of working with, or cultivating, self-discipline and achievement. The art of Qigong consists primarily of meditation, relaxation, physical movement, mind-body integration, and breathing exercises. Practitioners of Qigong develop an awareness of qi sensations (energy) in their body and use their mind to guide the Qi. When the practitioners achieve a sufficient skill level (master), they can direct or emit external Qi for the purpose of healing others. -- Best Regards, Jim Current beta is 3.65.04 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.05 Filters Not Working ?
Alexander on November 29, 2005, at 4:01 PM wrote Can anyone else confirm this? No problem here - POP3 only. THANX... With all the responses about Not seeing this issue I figured I'd go back and try 3.63.05 again... and sure enough first 3 emails I received via POP did Not filter :( The filter in this case was one of my simpler ones ... IF MESSAGE SOURCE Contains OR IF MESSAGE SOURCE Contains THEN Copy Message to Folder ZZZ AND Mark Message as Read CONTINUE Processing Other Filters As soon as I exit, swap back 3.62.14 executable and restart, I can manually re-filter my inbox and the filter catches these 3 messages... Normally I say it was time to open a Beta bug... But on such a simple filter and filters seems to work for everyone else on POP accounts, and Some filters did still seem to work for me... what could I be missing ??? -- Best Regards, Jim Current beta is 3.63.05 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.05 Filters Not Working on 'MESSAGE SOURCE' (bt-5407)
Vili on November 30, 2005, at 10:47 AM stated, Can anyone else confirm this? Ok, I can confirm this, also managed to track down the bug: IF MESSAGE SOURCE Contains Filters based on Message source are broken in the latest beta. Make a BT, I support it. (Not many people filter by Message source, that is why you got no confirmations and confirmations...) THANX ! I did submit a bug; https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5407 The 'MESSAGE SOURCE' does indeed seem to be the key... as filters I had on 'HEADER' did still work ! -- Best Regards, Jim Current beta is 3.63.05 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) is now available
Hi Peter, That does not matter. I have doozens of active filter, NONE is working with the current beta version. I'm wondering if you are filtering on 'MESSAGE SOURCE', vs what most folks do filtering on headers ??? I ask as I opened a bug today on Filters Not working when using 'MESSAGE SOURCE Contains ' as the condition; https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5407 The 'MESSAGE SOURCE' does indeed seem to be the key... as filters I had on 'HEADER' did still work ! -- Best Regards, Jim Current beta is 3.63.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.63.05 Filters Not Working ?
I needed to revert to 3.62.14 as, after upgrading to 3.63.05, though it seemed that latest Beta was working well I noticed that Many of my hundreds of filters were no longer working... on reverting to 3.62.14 the filters became operational again... Can anyone else confirm this? Current beta is 3.63.05 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
