No more OTFE?

[znark]

G'day TBBETA,

  I recently completely wiped my system and started from scratch.
  Before I reformatted I did a backup via the tools menu and also
  did a backup via WinRAR and RegEdit. I was previously using OTFE
  and was using version 3.5.25.

  After a reinstall of windows I reinstalled The Bat! from the
  3.5.25 msi install package. I selected OTFE with password.
  However it never gave me the opportunity to enter a password.
  Now my mail base is in plain text. I updated to 3.5.26 hoping
  that that would give me the chance to encrypt.

  How do I get encryption back?

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znark
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Re:No more OTFE?

[znark]

G'day Tony,
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, at 09:19:51 [GMT +0100] (18:19 here) you wrote:


> --On Monday, June 13, 2005 11:01:00 +1000 znark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> and also did a backup via WinRAR and RegEdit.

>> How do I get encryption back?

> Restore the RAR archive and the reg file you saved. The upgrade to 26.

How then does a new user start using OTFE?

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Re:No more OTFE?

[znark]

G'day Tony,
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, at 10:43:05 [GMT +0100] (19:43 here) you wrote:


> --On Monday, June 13, 2005 19:32:12 +1000 znark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> How then does a new user start using OTFE?

> If you already have an OTFE installation and the associated reg file,
> moving to a new PC or newly reformatted PC should preserve the OTFE mode,
> it did for me the lasr time I tried it.

> If your starting from scratch as a new user you won't have the registry
> entries to worry about. Just install, pick OTFE, enter a pass when asked
> and that should be it.

> I've not tried it for quite a few of the latter versions so if the above
> don't work, in line with current trends, it's probably broke.

Well I think it is broken then. Anyone else confirm?
- Fresh install of The Bat! Pro 3.5.25 / 26
- Select OTFE with password.
- No chance of password entry
- No OFTE enabled

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Re:No more OTFE?

[znark]

G'day Tony,
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, at 10:43:05 [GMT +0100] (19:43 here) you wrote:


> --On Monday, June 13, 2005 19:32:12 +1000 znark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've not tried it for quite a few of the latter versions so if the above
> don't work, in line with current trends, it's probably broke.

Which was the last version able to install a working OTFE with
password?

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Re:No more OTFE?

[znark]

G'day Tony,
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, at 12:55:45 [GMT +0100] (21:55 here) you wrote:
> Hello znark,

>   A reminder of what znark on TBBETA typed on:
>   13 June 2005 at 20:06:28 GMT +1000

>> Which was the last version able to install a working OTFE with
>> password?

>  I've just installed 3.5.26 with OTFE with no problem at all. And I'm now
>  back with my original installation without OTFE also without a single
>  problem.

<...snip...>

>  So to answer your question, 3.5.26 is the latest fully working OTFE capable
>  version that I managed to install with no problems at all...

OTFE still didn't work for me with a fresh install of 3.5.26.
- Did a backup via the backup menu
- Did a backup via a .bat script with WinRAR
- I did an unistall
- Removed the mail base directory
- Removed The Bat! directory
- Deleted the RIT entry in HKCU\software
- Installed The Bat! 3.5.26
- Selected OTFE with password

There was still no opportunity to set a password. 'There's something
screwy going on around here'

However I have now got OTFE by restoring the last backup I did using
WinRAR before I reformatted the system. Then I reinstalled 3.5.26
followed by a restore from backup via the tools menu to get any mail I
received since not having OTFE. I then did a folder maintenance to
remove any dupes. It's working fine now. :)

Thanks for your help Tony!

I still think there is something that needs looking at in the install
package \ setup.

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Re:The Bat! 3.60.03 Forerunner (Beta) is now available

[znark]

G'day 9Val,
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, at 19:27:03 [GMT +0300] (02:27 here) you wrote:
> Hi All,

> The Bat! 3.60.03 Forerunner (Beta) is now available from:
> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

<...snip...>

Get an application error on startup for 3.60.02 and .03 and I cannot
continue. Going back to .01
(see attached pics)

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Re:3.60 MSIs

[znark]

G'day Maxim,
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, at 14:11:17 [GMT +0300] (21:11 here) you wrote:
> Hello Tbbeta,

> Could you please try 3.60 MSIs:

Pro installs fine with OTFE and downloads e-mail fine with POP3.

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Not saving toolbar settings TB!3.65

[znark]

G'day TBBETA,

  I just did a fresh install of 3.65 and it will not save the toolbar
  settings \ location or the themes that I select.

  What am I doing wrong?

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Re:Not saving toolbar settings TB!3.65

[znark]

G'day Marek,
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, at 11:31:23 [GMT +0100] (21:31 here) you wrote:
> Hello all,
> Thursday, January 12, 2006, znark wrote:

>>   I just did a fresh install of 3.65 and it will not save the toolbar
>>   settings \ location or the themes that I select.

>>   What am I doing wrong?

> did You enabled encryption mode?

Yeah. I'm using OTFE password.

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Re:More than one SMTP

[znark]

G'day Ciprian,
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, at 15:45:05 [GMT +0200] (00:45 here) you wrote:

> If I remember correctly, TB! had the option to use more than 1 SMTP
> server per account (if the first SMTP doesn't work, the program
> tries the subsequent addresses).

> Well, I am not able to find the place where to insert the
> "subsequent addresses".

Has anyone got an answer for this as I would also like to implement
multiple SMTP servers per account because I use my laptop at 3-4
different location and at some location some SMTP servers are blocked
or in accessible.

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Common Filters Problem since 3.0.1 RC7?

[znark]

G'day TBBETA,

  If I have this filter on an account it works fine when mail is
  received and also when if I try a manual re-filter.

,-- [Spam Filter]
|  TB! Message Filter 
| beginFilter
| UID: [42964EEB.01C4B3DD.346B43D7.2FCF7135]
| Name: Spam
| Filter: {\0D\0A\20`7`X-Text-Classification`0`spam\0D\0A}
| MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5CSpam
| MarkRead
| IsActive
| Ignore
| endFilter
`--

   When I move it to common filters it works on incoming mail but not
   when I try a manual re-filter.

   Is this expected behaviour?
   
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Re:Common Filters Problem since 3.0.1 RC7?

[znark]

G'day znark,
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, at 14:48:42 [GMT +1000] (14:48 here) you wrote:
> G'day TBBETA,

>   If I have this filter on an account it works fine when mail is
>   received and also when if I try a manual re-filter.

> ,-- [Spam Filter]
> |  TB! Message Filter 
> | beginFilter
> | UID: [42964EEB.01C4B3DD.346B43D7.2FCF7135]
> | Name: Spam
> | Filter: {\0D\0A\20`7`X-Text-Classification`0`spam\0D\0A}
> | MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5CSpam
> | MarkRead
> | IsActive
> | Ignore
> | endFilter
> `--

>When I move it to common filters it works on incoming mail but not
>when I try a manual re-filter.

>Is this expected behaviour?

Is no one going to answer my question? Have I committed an
unforgivable sin and become a tbbeta pariah never to be spoken to
again by the esteemed members?

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Encryption Algorithm

[znark]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

G'day TBBETA,

What encryption algorithm is used in The Bat! in on the fly
encryption?

Is it some well known \ tried and tested algorithm like RSA, AES,
DES, Blowfish, Diffe\Helman ... etc or is it some proprietary \
closed source encryption?

- --
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Re:Gmail is hot!

[znark]

G'day Avi,
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, at 09:29:59 [GMT +0200] (18:29 here) you wrote:

> If anyone is interested, I currently have a spare six invitations that
> will be no problem to hand out.

Have you any left to hand out? I would be interested.
e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with details please.

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Cookies in The Bat! Pro with OTF

[znark]

G'day TBBETA,

  Notice my tag line which is obtained from a text file in the
  root of the mail base directory. The file is linked to SmartBat
  so I can add extra cookies.

  Is this meant to happen?

  I also noticed that other text files linked to SmartBat are
  corrupted(\encrypted) the same except for the default
  smartbat.txt file which I notice has been converted to
  smartbat.eni (I think)

  Can I just replace the files with the originals from a back up?

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Re:Cookies in The Bat! Pro with OTF

[znark]

G'day Stuart,
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, at 13:27:41 [GMT +] (00:27 here) you wrote:
Z>>   Is this meant to happen?
> It's not happening here. My cookie file is in
> "D:\Program Files\TheBat!\MailPwd" and as you can see below all is
> well.

 Is it linked to SmartBat?
 
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Re:Cookies in The Bat! Pro with OTF

[znark]

G'day Stuart,
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, at 11:12:29 [GMT +] (22:12 here) you wrote:
Z>>  Is it linked to SmartBat?
> Yes, although I never edit it in smartbat. However, I can see your
> problem in that I have 2 other files that are only accessed (very
> occasionally) from smartbat and they both contain garbage.!

So is this a bug? Is The Bat! trying to encrypt all the text files
attached to smartbat as well?
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Re:Cookies in The Bat! Pro with OTF

[znark]

G'day znark,
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, at 20:52:55 [GMT +1100] (20:52 here) you wrote:
> G'day TBBETA,

>   Notice my tag line which is obtained from a text file in the
>   root of the mail base directory. The file is linked to SmartBat
>   so I can add extra cookies.

>   Is this meant to happen?

>   I also noticed that other text files linked to SmartBat are
>   corrupted(\encrypted) the same except for the default
>   smartbat.txt file which I notice has been converted to
>   smartbat.eni (I think)
 should be .ext

I changed the file extension of the encrypted text files to .ext
closed the pad (text file) in smartbat and reopened it with the new
file extension. The files are readable.

However my cookie file (cookie.ext - encrypted text file) cannot be
read from by the template it still produced garbage (After I changed
the reply\new message template to reflect the file extension change)

So it appears that the cookie file has to be plain text and not
encrypted text even though the encrypted text file can be read by
smartbat.

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Re:The Bat! 3.0.9.10 Return is now available

[znark]

G'day 9Val,
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, at 21:57:15 [GMT +0200] (05:57 here) you wrote:

> The Bat! 3.0.9.10 Return is now available from:
> http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tbb30910.rar

Is this still a pre-beta?
Can it be used with OTF encryption?
Is it safe to use as main email client yet?

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Lost folder bug?

[znark]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

G'day TBBETA,
  I believe I have found a bug with finding lost folders.

  When I do the SHIFT+CTRL+ATL+L to find lost folders while an account
  is highlighted it usually find zero folders.

  However if I do the same key stroke while a common folder is
  highlighted it finds 77 lost folders. The next time I restart The
  Bat! I have the normal accounts displayed but also I have all my
  account folders displayed as common folders. Including sub folders
  and all messages.

  All accounts POP.

  I had to replace the 'account.flb' file from a backup done in the
  morning to restore the original file structure.

  Has anyone else reported this?
  Can anyone confirm this?
  You might want to do a complete backup before you try.

- --
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Accounts at beta site

[znark]

G'day TBBETA,

  I am about to change my email address due to spam. How does I go
  about changing my email address in my account at The Bat! Beta site?

-- 
znark

The Bat! 2.01.3Windows XP - Service Pack 1, Build 2600
POPFile 0.20.0 PGP 6.5.8ckt - Build 08
Proxomitron 4.5Kerio Personal Firewall 2.1.5
Hotmail Popper 2.1.0

Seek out that particular mental attribute which makes you
feel most deeply and vitally alive, along with which comes
the inner voice which says, "This is the real me," and when
you have found that attitude, follow it. -- William James


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 Current beta is 2.01.7 | "Using TBBETA" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html