Re: Another take on v2

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Alexander,

On Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 14:55 GMT +0600, authorities charged
Alexander Leschinsky [AL] for writing:

JA>> Was the plug-in interface or sample code posted somewhere?
AL> AFAIK - stefan was done it in TBDEV after beta8

Ah, it appears I missed it in the archives[*].  Hmm, I could have
sworn I checked thoroughly.  The eyesight must be going.  Thanks.

* In case anyone else was wondering:
  

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Re[2]: Another take on v2

[Alexander Leschinsky]

Hello Januk,

   On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 00:06:50 -0700 (27.07.2003 13:06 my local time)
   you wrote about "Another take on v2",
   at least in part:

JA> What list was this posted on?
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JA> Was the plug-in interface or sample code posted somewhere?
AFAIK - stefan was done it in TBDEV after beta8

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Re: Another take on v2

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi Thomas!
As a matter of fact, with my screen reader which is called Hal 5.2X,
there's a configuration file already available for tb!, that's cool!
The only thing i wish for now is that TB keeps its accessibility and
doesn't change the GUI, at least not without listening to the blind
folks out there. I've seen many accessible products that has "changed
their user interfaces for the better" as the manufacturers have had
it, and where accessibility had gone streight down the drain. Let's
hope this doesn't happen with TB!


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Re[2]: Another take on v2

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Thursday, July 24, 2003, Michal Kosinski wrote:

> Q: Is there a planned port to Linux?
> A:  We  are  planning  to make the Linux version when Delphi for Linux
> will be available (this year, as promised by Inprise, Inc).

> Delphi for Linux was released (Kylix) but they do not longer use
> Delphi, do they?

yes, Delphi6 is still used, but Kylix cannot be used. AFAIK program
must be written or rewritten to Kylix, it is not possible to only
compile source code from Delphi to Kylix, it uses new non-compatible
libraries.

> Q:  How  extensive  will the plug-in support be? Meaning, can new menu
> items, macros, functions etc. be added?
> A:  Almost  everything  will  be  plug-in/script  driven  (menu items,
> toolbar buttons, macros, filter actions etc. included).

> Quiet there.

macros yes, filter actions and buttons in later versions.

> Q:  Are  there  any  changes  to the filtering subsystem? For example,
> grouping of like filters, copying filters between accounts ETC.
> A:  Yes,  we  plan  a  lot  of  changes  in filtering system including
> grouping,  action lists, more criteria etc, etc. The definition of the
> account  will  also be changed. User accounts within The Bat! and mail
> accounts will be clearly separated.

> Does anyone here remember one beta version with new filtering system which
> was accessible with CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+T combo?

1.54/Beta9 :-)

> Q:  Are  there any changes to the address book? i.e. Different address
> book support for different accounts.
> A: Yes. Also, large address books will not require much memory.

> N/A till now.

implemented, accounts with user rights have own AB.

> Q:  Will  v2.0 finally support threading by "References:" headers only
> (i.e. there is no "in-reply-To:" header).
> A: Yes. We did not do it in the current version because of the message
> base format...

> We've got it, right? Or am I missing something here?

yes, we have it.

> Q: and viewing href'd images?
> A:  This  will  be possible when we will write our own Web browser - I
> guess,  this is a topic for another interview, but you should wait for
> it for several months :-)

> I'd better not comment on this one, probably most of your here won't
> too ;-)

as I saw in one document about new Office2003, MS will disable this
feature in a new Outlook :-)

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Re: Another take on v2

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Thursday, July 24, 2003, 18:17, Michal Kosinski wrote:
> Q: Is there a planned port to Linux?
> A:  We  are  planning  to make the Linux version when Delphi for Linux
> will be available (this year, as promised by Inprise, Inc).
>
> Delphi for Linux was released (Kylix) but they do not longer use
> Delphi, do they?

Will there be a MacOS X version? ;)

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Another take on v2

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello TBBETA Members!

  Every now and then some of us asks for the elusive v2. Now it's my
  turn. And I do break another of my rules, I will comment on the
  marketing scheme of RITLabs.

  First of all, let me put forward a question: What is it that hinders
  companies to come up with the second version of their software?
  Clearly it's not just RITLabs promising and not delivering. Another
  two very good applications reside on my machines - Feurio and Agent
  -, to which v2 was promised long ago. In all three cases v2 was told
  to be under development more than one and a half years ago.

  There are other interesting parallels. Agent, for instance, has for
  years been a very stable and thought through program, offering most
  everything needed by its users. Only a few things are really missing
  - direct PGP support, subfolders, multiple servers. At least the
  last two items are promised for v2; other (minor) changes have been
  done within the current 1.x series.

  The audio CD burning app Feurio also proved to be very stable and
  reliable. Everything needed for its intended purpose (burn according
  to the Red Book standard, resulting in master CDs for professional
  productions) is already realised. Jens Fangmeier also added lots of
  other useful features. The only area where Feurio is lacking is the
  user interface, which will be (?) overhauled for v2. Currently only
  new drivers to support new drives are published.

  Now I come back to TB, which rarely had a version not stable or
  reliable - and those were, IIRC, all betas, and most of the time the
  unreliability wasn't in the core task of TB but had been connected
  to non-necessary (in it's strictest sense) features. But other than
  the aforementioned programs, TB gets major changes to the current
  1.x series - some of them promised for v2, most definitely worthy of
  much higher version number jumps than have been done.

  Don't get me wrong, from a user's PoV it is nice to get such
  features as PGP/MIME for free instead of paying an upgrade price.
  The same holds for IMAP or whatever one's special wish. Considering,
  OTOH, that the time between betas is now counted more in months than
  in weeks, and we are still in v1, it looks a bit as though there
  never will be a v2.

  Why do I deem this bad? Well, RITLabs has to make money or they
  cannot survive, which would in effect mean, we lose a great program.
  One could argue that revenues flow in from new customers, but for
  various reasons this may not be enough. It is, for example, much
  harder to get a new customer than to hold an existing one. So, it is
  also easier to make money from the existing user-base of TB - as
  long as it is reasonable for us to pay.

  Looking back, the main feature TB was lacking for me was the missing
  support for PGP/MIME. If it had come with v2, and v2 wouldn't have
  broken anything I love about TB, it would have been a no-brainer to
  pay an upgrade price. But now it has been incorporated into v1 and
  needs just a bit of polishing (Why it uses base64 is beyond me, and
  why Oulook and OE users sometimes have trouble even opening my
  signed messages is way beyond me. Never had trouble in olden days
  using EUdora and PGP/MIME).

  I know that the 1.63 beta series is meant to be a preliminary beta
  for v2, but will that mean 1.63 will never be  release other than 2?
  Or will there be a 1.63 and after that a new beta for v2 and a v2?
  What will this then incorporate that hasn't been done on v1? Will v2
  only be the bug fixed version for 1.63 release? That would actually
  mean that support for v1 will no more be available and people have
  to pay for such basic things as bug fixes!?

  No, we are not entitled to perspective by RITLabs, neither legally
  nor morally, but it would be nice to get at least something like
  Forte offers for Agent on their web site: a broad road map of future
  developments.

  Yes, it would be better if developers could focus on development but
  customer relation is also very important as to not lose the base
  upon which one is building.

  Perhaps, Stefan, you could find a few minutes - will be more of the
  better of an hour or two - to share your thoughts and plans. With
  all due caveats that apply to such prospective talk (see the years
  old interview).

  Thank you!


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