Re: Cancel function and button in NFS [was Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01]

[MAU]

Hello Mary,

> There is a nice beer awaiting you in the fridge here. For that, you
> would forgive me?

Beer for breakfast ?!?! This young lady must be going nuts ;-)

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Re: Cancel function and button in NFS [was Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Miguel!

On Sunday, October 17, 2004, 9:48 AM, you wrote:

MB>> [No forgiveness] Not even for a cup of coffee? ;)
M> No, not this time.

There is a nice beer awaiting you in the fridge here. For that, you
would forgive me?

MB>> However, the Cancel button is still needed,
M> Definitely.

And to the BT Reports which you earlier requested support for. I have
been, and added my notes.

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2585
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2593
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2584

Does that redeem me?

MB>> You're not going to kill me, are you?
M> No, I'll only go as far as Lisbon to kill someone ;-)

Pheew! Safe, so long as I remain on my native continent. :)

Think what the world would miss, if your actions should transport me
to another realm--a talkative, impulsive batling, trying hard to be an
angel here below. :unreal2:

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Re: Cancel function and button in NFS [was Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01]

[MAU]

Hello Mary,

> Not even for a cup of coffee? ;)

No, not this time.

> However, the Cancel button is still needed,

Definitely.

> You're not going to kill me, are you?

No, I'll only go as far as Lisbon to kill someone ;-)

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Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello George,

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:29:08 -0700 GMT (17/10/2004, 17:29 +0700 GMT),
George Mitchell wrote:

TF>> 9: Search window: Anywhere ticks all.

GM> I agree, this is irritating.  IMO it would be better to disable the
GM> other checkboxes when "Anywhere" is checked.  Plus, it's inconsistent;
GM> checking "Headers" doesn't cause "Subject", "Sender" and "Recipient"
GM> to be checked.

Before I create another duplicate, does anybody know whether there is
already an entry in the BT?

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Re: Cancel function and button in NFS [was Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01]

[Mary Bull]

Hello MAU!

On Sunday, October 17, 2004, 4:20 AM, you wrote:

MB>> I figured it is easier to get forgiveness than permission.

M> You think you are smart, don't you? Well, it didn't work with me
M> this time, I will not forgive you ;-)

Not even for a cup of coffee? ;)

Well, most of my troubles have been solved with the Delete button for
the tree filter listing, since my filters are so simple. And I've done
3 since the penny finally dropped in my rusty slot machine of a head.

However, the Cancel button is still needed, and I hope the programmers
will forgive me for my excessively long note to
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3557 .
Even if you won't.

You're not going to kill me, are you? :scared:

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Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[Mary Bull]

Hello MAU!

On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 5:29 PM, you wrote:

RP>>> I just put the focus on the offending filter name and press the
RP>>> delete Key!!

MB>> That will take out the name.

M> No, what he is saying is that if you select the filter in the
M> filter tree, Delete will delete the whole filter.

And, of course, he's entirely correct. I just wrote to thank him. And
here's my thanks to you, also, for the explanation.

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Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[Mary Bull]

Hello Roger!

On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 2:41 PM, you wrote:

MB>> My need is Sunday, October 17, 2004slightly different. I want to
MB>> be able to Cancel the entire newly created filter, including its
MB>> name. I put a note to that effect.

RP> I just put the focus on the offending filter name and press the
RP> delete Key!!

:woe: I was just too tired and dense late yesterday evening to see
that you meant the filter tree list. Works, as UK friends say, a treat
and I can now practice making filters to my heart's content!

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Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[George Mitchell]

Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF> 7: NFS: No cancel botton. If I play with some filters but then
TF> decide not to go with it, I cannot Cancel. I have only OK and Help
TF> buttons.

Furthermore, until Cancel functionality is added the "OK" button
should be changed to "Close".  "OK" implies that there's a "not OK"
alternative like the close ("X") button on the title bar or the Escape
key, both of which usually equate to Cancel.

TF> 9: Search window: Anywhere ticks all. Well, as long as I really mean
TF> "Anywhere", I don't care. But if I take the tickmark off Anywhere,
TF> because I really mean "Headers", I have to take all other tickmarks
TF> off manually. Please revert back to the previous behaviour of
TF> Anywhere, where the other options wheren't automatically ticked.

I agree, this is irritating.  IMO it would be better to disable the
other checkboxes when "Anywhere" is checked.  Plus, it's inconsistent;
checking "Headers" doesn't cause "Subject", "Sender" and "Recipient"
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Re: Cancel function and button in NFS [was Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01]

[MAU]

Hello Mary,

> I figured it is easier to get forgiveness than permission.

You think you are smart, don't you? Well, it didn't work with me this
time, I will not forgive you ;-)

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Re: Cancel function and button in NFS [was Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Miguel!

On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 5:27 PM, you wrote:

MB>> So, put a supporting note to Marek's report stating that?

M> I may. Ok, Ok, I will  :)

Well, I got frustrated waiting and went back and put another note
detailing why ESC is not sufficient and quoting you at length, without
your permission, from mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3557

I figured it is easier to get forgiveness than permission.

And I drank up all the coffee, so I'll have to brew another pot.

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Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[MAU]

Hello Mary,

RP>>  I  just  put  the  focus on the offending filter name and press the delete
RP>>  Key!!
> 
> That will take out the name.

No, what he is saying  is that if you select the filter in the filter
tree, Delete will delete the whole filter.

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Re: Cancel function and button in NFS [was Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01]

[MAU]

Hello Mary,

> So, put a supporting note to Marek's report stating that?

I may. Ok, Ok, I will :)

> I really don't think ESC is sufficient.

No, it is not.

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Re: Cancel function and button in NFS [was Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Miguel!

On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 1:30 PM, you wrote:

MB>> Have a look, please, see what you think, and let us know?

M> I don't mind if undo/re-do functions or if partial cancel (i.e.
M> just for the selected filter) are implemented. What I do know, and
M> I think I have already stated this, is that configuration window or
M> dialog, as complex as the S.O., should and _must_ have a CANCEL
M> button that will discard all changes/additions/deletions made since
M> opening the Sorting Office.

So, put a supporting note to Marek's report stating that?

I really don't think ESC is sufficient. As I read it, Marek's report
simply requests the Cancel button as an alternative to ESC.

But maybe I'm dense. :(

In other words, I don't think TF's BT Report was a true duplicate of
Marek's, as whoever is monitoring BT at RitLabs seems to think that it
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Re: Cancel function and button in NFS [was Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01]

[MAU]

Hello Mary,

> Have a look, please, see what you think, and let us know?

I don't mind if undo/re-do functions or if partial cancel (i.e. just for
the selected filter) are implemented. What I do know, and I think I have
already stated this, is that configuration window or dialog, as complex
as the S.O., should and _must_ have a CANCEL button that will discard
all changes/additions/deletions made since opening the Sorting Office.

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Re: URGENT: Cancel Function and Button Needed in NFS [was Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01]

[MAU]

Hello Mary,

> You have perfectly described the need in the full text of your post. I
> 100% agree with you.

Thanks. Where's my cup of coffee? ;-)

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Cancel function and button in NFS [was Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Miguel!

On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 12:48 PM, you wrote:

>> Please support: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3945

M> It shows as resolved already, so we may see something in next beta.

Well, I was Monitoring, because I had added a note. And the bugtracker
message which came down to me was that it was Resolved because it was
a duplicate.

This one, which was posted earlier by Marek Mikus, is still open. But
Marek's report said that ESC would serve the same purpose.

For me, it does not. So I put a note there, and also pushed Monitor
there. Have a look, please, see what you think, and let us know?

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=003557

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Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[MAU]

Hello Thomas,

> Please support: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3945

It shows as resolved already, so we may see something in next beta.

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NFS: No cancel button (was: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Stuart,

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:43:05 -0500 GMT (16/10/2004, 22:43 +0700 GMT),
Stuart Cuddy wrote:

TF>> Please support: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3945

SC>   I would support this, but the issue is marked as resolved. It has
SC>   duplicates as follows:

I believe this is the one to monitor:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=003557

3466 is the master bug list for NFS-related bugs, the way I understand
it.

SC>   Can they all be merged into one or do we have to support them all?

I think supporting them all would create a headache for Ritlabs, and
3577 was the first that reported this particular bug, so it is the one
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Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[Mary Bull]

Hello Stuart!

On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 10:43 AM, you wrote:

MAU Aside of being a standard in any "configuration dialog", the
MAU actual possible complexity of the Sorting Office (and perhaps
MAU the difficulty of remember changes made) is another big reason
MAU to have a Cancel button.

GS>>> This says it all.  Agree a cancel button needed.

TF>> Please support: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3945

SC>   I would support this, but the issue is marked as resolved. It has
SC>   duplicates as follows ...

< snipped list and comments for the sake of brevity >

Agreed. Confusing. I added a note to Marek Mikus's report, which is
still open at
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=003557

He asks only for a Cancel button for changes in a filter.

My need is slightly different. I want to be able to Cancel the entire
newly created filter, including its name. I put a note to that effect.

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Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Thomas,

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:58:34 +0700 GMT (16/10/2004, 18:58 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF> 1: Statuts bar. [...] The new status bar does not "flush" with
TF> the account tree for the simple reason that I cannot drag the left
TF> border of the bar.

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3946

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Re[2]: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Thomas,
Saturday, October 16, 2004, 10:23:36 AM, you wrote:

TF> Hello Greg,

TF> On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:38:21 -0500 GMT (16/10/2004, 21:38 +0700 GMT),
TF> Greg Strong wrote:

>>> Aside of being a standard in any "configuration dialog", the actual
>>> possible complexity of the Sorting Office (and perhaps the difficulty of
>>> remember changes made) is another big reason to have a Cancel button.

GS>> This says it all.  Agree a cancel button needed.

TF> Please support: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3945


  I would support this, but the issue is marked as resolved. It has
  duplicates as follows:

  3945 marked as Resolved
  3802 marked as Closed
  3647 still marked as New
  3466 marked as confirmed
  3557 also marked as confirmed

  Which is it? New/Confirmed/Resolved or Closed?
  It's no wonder there are so many bugs.
  Can they all be merged into one or do we have to support them all?

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Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Greg,

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:38:21 -0500 GMT (16/10/2004, 21:38 +0700 GMT),
Greg Strong wrote:

>> Aside of being a standard in any "configuration dialog", the actual
>> possible complexity of the Sorting Office (and perhaps the difficulty of
>> remember changes made) is another big reason to have a Cancel button.

GS> This says it all.  Agree a cancel button needed.

Please support: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3945


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Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[Greg Strong]

Hello MAU,

Saturday, October 16, 2004, 8:58:14 AM, MAU wrote:

> Aside of being a standard in any "configuration dialog", the actual
> possible complexity of the Sorting Office (and perhaps the difficulty of
> remember changes made) is another big reason to have a Cancel button.


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URGENT: Cancel Function and Button Needed in NFS [was Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Miguel!

On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 8:58 AM, you wrote, in part:

M> I don't know if thing are as simple as I see them, but I definitely
M> think a Cancel function/button _is_ needed and I find it quite
M> annoying that it may be considered just a feature request for the
M> wish-list. Aside of being a standard in any "configuration dialog",
M> the actual possible complexity of the Sorting Office (and perhaps
M> the difficulty of remember changes made) is another big reason to
M> have a Cancel button.

You have perfectly described the need in the full text of your post. I
100% agree with you.

I did not mean to imply that this function should be relegated to the
Wish List, when I posted "Me Too, add my wish to yours." Bad choice of
words, sorry.

To me this poor design is a bug. I had an exchange with 9Val about the
lack right after I got v. 3.0 and joined the beta testers.

I was referring to my need as "delete function and button." I said to
him, "but I should be able to delete it."

And 9Val replied, "Sure."

But nothing got done yet. I am willing to post this on BT as a bug, if
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Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[MAU]

Hello Ian,

M>> I, I, I... You are not the only one who wants a Cancel function and
M>> button ;-)
> 
> I don't think that a cancel button would do anything the way the
> program is written at the moment because I understand that the changes
> are written immediately.

That is why I say Cancel _function_ and button. Writing the changes
immediately, and I'm very sorry I have to say this, only shows a poor
initial top level design. Even more because the Sorting Office is or can
be a quite complex "configuration dialog". However. I don't think it
should be that difficult to copy the account.srx file to a temp one when
the Sorting Office is opened  and only write back the tem file to the
account.srx one when exiting with the OK button. The "only difficulty" I
see is that S.O. allows to change to another account with the drop down
list at the top, maybe that shouldn't be allowed or, if the user has
made any changes in one account, should be asked if he/she wants to save
the changes.

I don't know if thing are as simple as I see them, but I definitely
think a Cancel function/button _is_ needed and I find it quite annoying
that it may be considered just a feature request for the wish-list.
Aside of being a standard in any "configuration dialog", the actual
possible complexity of the Sorting Office (and perhaps the difficulty of
remember changes made) is another big reason to have a Cancel button.

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NFS lacks Cancel button and function [was Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Miguel!

On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 7:13 AM, you wrote:

TF>> 7: NFS: No cancel botton. If I play with some filters but then
TF>> decide not to go with it, I cannot Cancel. I have only OK and
TF>> Help buttons.

M> I, I, I... You are not the only one who wants a Cancel function and
M> button ;-)

Let me add my own Me Too! to this wish!!

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Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[Paul White]

On Saturday, 16 October 2004 at 12:58 (UK time), Thomas Fernandez said:

> 4: "Support" missing from Alexander's function (Bug#3898)

There is new About screen text above all the credits in 3.0.2.1 that makes
this bug report redundant. I think the revised text may be related to the
'new' icons that are on their way. The text is multi-coloured rather then
black and now displays correctly on my PC, well almost. I've uploaded a
screenshot to the BT.
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Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[MAU]

Hello Thomas,

> 7: NFS: No cancel botton. If I play with some filters but then decide
> not to go with it, I cannot Cancel. I have only OK and Help buttons.

I, I, I... You are not the only one who wants a Cancel function and
button ;-)

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Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello TBBETA,

As promised, here is the list. Some may be in the BT already, please
advise the URL if it is not mentioned in this list.

1: Statuts bar. My favourite, so I attached a screenshot (I hope 16K
will make it to the list - please ignore the floating Chinese
characters, crtl-shift is a toggle between EN and CH and crtl-shft-P
activates the screenshot). The new status bar does not "flush" with
the account tree for the simple reason that I cannot drag the left
border of the bar. I find it just plain ulgy and it hurts my sensitive
yes. It should be possible to drag that left border.

The right border (no screen shot provided) ends a centimeter or so
before the end of the screen (why not go all the way?) and shows a
down-arrow. When I click on that arrow, the log will be shown upwards
from there. I find that unintuitive.

2: Mail check freezer. Often (not always), TB is inaccessable after
the first mail check. alt-F4 cures that. It was reported earlier and
is not fixed.

3: Split modes. Still reverting to unwanted defaults instead of
remembering the user's settings.
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003002

4: "Support" missing from Alexander's function (Bug#3898)

5: Subject/TO field etc jumps (Bug#2456 - and Stefan wrote he is
working on it. Just thought I'd mention it.)

6: Font in Status bar. When I switch the interface language to Chinese
and then back, the font used in the status bar is wrong. TB needs to
be closed and reopened so that the normal font is used.

7: NFS: No cancel botton. If I play with some filters but then decide
not to go with it, I cannot Cancel. I have only OK and Help buttons.

8: Question marks in HTML messages. I reported this earlier, latest in
.

9: Search window: Anywhere ticks all. Well, as long as I really mean
"Anywhere", I don't care. But if I take the tickmark off Anywhere,
because I really mean "Headers", I have to take all other tickmarks
off manually. Please revert back to the previous behaviour of
Anywhere, where the other options wheren't automatically ticked.

10: Time in print template always used the 12-hour clock. Unless I
have overlooked something, I cannot print messages with the Date/Time
using the 24-hour clock, as I can in the message list.

11: Connection Center: When using dial-up and the number is busy, an
error dialog pops up before TB retires. This is fine. However, in
v1.x, the default button was "Abort", which made it easy for me to hit
Enter and then choose another DUN manually. Since v2.x, the default
button is Retry, which is stupid as I don't need to hit it ever - TB
retries by itself. Please change the default button in that error
dialog back to Abort.

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Thomas.

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Re: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[Mary Bull]

Hello Roger!

On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 2:41 PM, you wrote:

MB>> My need is slightly different. I want to be able to Cancel the entire
MB>> newly created filter, including its name. I put a note to that effect.

RP>  I  just  put  the  focus on the offending filter name and press the delete
RP>  Key!!

That will take out the name. It will not take out the Condition boxes
and the other choices you've made. One-by-one those have to be done.

And, even then, my experience is that after you close and re-launch
Account/Sorting Office a line for that unwanted filter is in your list
and you have to delete it there, also!

I guess I don't know how to write clear English. So far nobody but
Miguel seems to understand what I would like to have.

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Re[2]: Cosmetic glitches in v3.01

[Roger Phillips]

Hello Mary,

Saturday, October 16, 2004, 5:55:22 PM, among other things, you wrote:


MB> My need is slightly different. I want to be able to Cancel the entire
MB> newly created filter, including its name. I put a note to that effect.

 I  just  put  the  focus on the offending filter name and press the delete
 Key!!


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