Re: New filtering system

2004-08-23 Thread MAU
Hello Thomas,

M Just to bother you ;-)
 
 I see. Next time I'm in Madrid, have a cold San Miguel ready for me. ;-)

If it is only one, we don't have to wait until you are in Madrid. I can
probably manage to send it as an attachment ;-)

M Re-read my first message. I say initially and that I would have
M to think noire about it (possible implications, etc.)
 
 Yes. If you come up with implications that would suggest not to use
 the format I suggested, please let us know.

Don't worry, I will.

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Re: New filtering system

2004-08-22 Thread MAU
Hello Thomas,

M I knew that would be the reason behind the proposal :)
 
 So why are you against it?

Just to bother you ;-) Re-read my first message. I say initially and
that I would have to think noire about it (possible implications, etc.)

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Re: 2.13 beta 4: New filtering system does partial filterind

2004-08-12 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Jan,

on Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:24:47 -0400GMT, you wrote:

SH FWIW just doing that won't help; none of the converted filters worked
SH but if I deleted them and created them from new in the NFS they work.

JR Hi Stuart. Exactly what did you do? Delete *all* your filters 
JR start over using the new sorting office? It's crazy if RIT Labs
JR expects us to do that. I can't believe that was the intention.
JR There's got to be another way around this stuff.

I didn't dare to delete my old sorting office, as it works so well.
Good thing I can still use it. :-)

Probably, I'll try the new one, when I'll use my lady's laptop again
on vacation in three or four weeks... ;-)

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Re: 2.13 beta 4: New filtering system does partial filterind

2004-08-12 Thread Jan Rifkinson
On Thursday, August 12, 2004 it appears that Dierk Haasis 
wrote the following in regards to 2.13 beta 4: New filtering system does partial 
filterind:

   Yeah, really. I don't get it. Have many others resorted to
   re-writing all their filters?

 It's ridiculous for RIT Labs to expect that -- beta or no beta.

DH No. Neither did they expect us (at least I hope) nor is it too
DH far-fetched for beta testing. Now, *this* beta cycle is specifically
DH to test out the new filter system. If anybody expects a complete and
DH perfect system, I'd find that a bit delusional.

Hello Dierk. I'm too old to be delusional about a piece of
software -- politics, honesty, wars, yes -- but not software.

I can't speak for everyone but I, for one, did not expect a
complete  perfect system. If so, it would not be a beta, right?

I've been around for a couple of TB! years, thru a # of beta
cycles -- some better than others. That's not the issue for me
otherwise I wouldn't bother d/l betas. I don't care if I'm the
first on my block with the latest version.

What bothers me here is that the filter conversion seems to be
working sometimes under certain conditions for some but not for
others  there hasn't been much consolidation of information for
what works  what doesn't which leaves me with the feeling that
it's a true mish mash  no one has been able to get their arms
around it.

It's like a patchwork quilt, not much rhyme or reason. I could
certainly be wrong  it's genuinely possible I just can't see the
forest for the trees , if that's the case, I hope you'll educate
me in that regard.

I realize there are a lot of variables  exponential combinations
but I followed the directions, i.e.

|-| Begin |-|

New filtering system is one of the major goals of current beta
cycle. It is not fully implemented yet, but everybody risky enough
can toggle it on in account settings. It should automatically
convert current filters to new system. Known issues: 1. Before
starting program kill all .srb files (new filtering options) which
can be created by earlier versions. It should be enough to get
converted most of your filters 2. There is a problem with KNOWN
filter - it converts invalidly now 3. Only basic action work now,
but situation will change 4. It can work wrong on IMAP (yet)

|--| End |--|

and even so, I can find no pattern nor have I read anything about
a pattern nor is anyone keeping track of the problems to my
knowledge to see if patterns develop so this is a useless
exercise from my pov as I cannot use the new filtering system nor
can I really help debug it in any meaningful way  still
maintain some semblance of a daily work flow.

The only pattern I've developed is that once I switch out of the
debug mode, *everything* works fine.

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Re[2]: 2.13 beta 4: New filtering system does partial filterind

2004-08-12 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello Jan,
Thursday, August 12, 2004, 1:54:16 PM, you wrote:



JR The only pattern I've developed is that once I switch out of the
JR debug mode, *everything* works fine.

  Did you have a lot of filters based on the Sender condition. If so
it appears not to be working.


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Re: 2.13 beta 4: New filtering system does partial filterind

2004-08-11 Thread Richard Wakeford
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Hello George,

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

GMM Filling risky, I deleted all .srx files

You are meant to delete SRB not SRX files. Mind you it doesn't help me
at all either. One minute things are going not too bad and then I find
it won't get the latest messages and 

If I didn't have this beta on a separate set up I'd have given up ages
ago and I can't see what I'm doing wrong but some people seem to be
managing with it. Personally I find it frustrating beyond belief. can't
report any general problems as yet apart from to say that nothing really
seems to go right :-(

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Re: 2.13 beta 4: New filtering system does partial filterind

2004-08-11 Thread Stuart Hemming
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GMM OK, I will backup all srb files then delete them. Maybe this time I'll have
GMM more luck.
FWIW just doing that won't help; none of the converted filters worked
but if I deleted them and created them from new in the NFS they work.

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Re[2]: New filtering system: Common Filters?

2004-08-11 Thread Den V. Yafyasov
Hello.


9 And after  select  accounts  for  which  this  filter will be applied.
Where is it? I can't find it.

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Re: 2.13 beta 4: New filtering system does partial filterind

2004-08-11 Thread Stuart Hemming
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GMM Well, that is not the case here. All converted filters seem to work.
I guess that the random number generator or fate rolled you a double
six; me I just get snake-eyes. :-

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2.13 beta 4: New filtering system does partial filterind

2004-08-10 Thread George M. Menegakis
Hello,

Filling risky, I deleted all .srx files (thank god I kept a backup) and choose
Debug new filters in Account properties. All old filters seemed to be
converted, so I check for new mail.

Some of 192 of the new mails that I had got filtered right. All the other
went to a folder that I have. The same thing happened using beta 3, but I had
no time to make a report. Note that they didn't went to Inbox, but to a
folder, and I cannot explain this.

I unchecked Debug new filters and using the old filtering system I saw that
I had lost all of my filters. (OK, I knew that I could cause big trouble by
deleting the .srx files). Thankfully I had the backup.

Sorry, I cannot test the new filtering system this way, it's too risky. I'm
using The Bat! as my primary mailer at my work and I cannot afford to risky
loosing any mail.

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Re: New filtering system suggestion

2004-08-07 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Prezes,

On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:40:28 +0200 GMT (05/08/2004, 21:40 +0700 GMT),
Prezes wrote:

P 1. Selective download filter allow us to specify external file in which
P we can put string. Other filters do not allow to it - why? Plesae add
P possibility to select external file in all filters.


Yes, I would second that.

Signed: Author of improvement suggestion
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003319
(see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]).

P 3. Add to filters and to contex menu from right click on message
P option Create reading confirmation receipt.

Good idea.

P 5. In common filter allow to choose option: a)continue processing by
P other common filers; a)continue processing by other common and local
P filers; Normally the message will not be processsed.

I support this suggestion.

P 6. Allow filters to define and modify their own values - this values
P will be read and write by other filters and filter, which will work
P after this can read the value, so the state of the filter can change -
P information about processing by one filter can be transmitted to other
P filter.

You mean by way of variables? That would make the filtering system
rather complicated, I'd think.

P 7. Allo do define order of applying filters:
P a) common filters;
P b) local filters;
P c) antispam filters.

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Re: How to activate New Filtering System

2004-08-05 Thread Gerrit Kruijer
Hello Richard,

Wednesday, August 4, 2004, 10:29:22 PM, you wrote:


RA In Beta 1 you must press ctrl + alt + shift + t, in beta 2 it's
RA enough, if you check the checkbox in the account settings
Thanks. It'working fine now.





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Re: Regexp in new filtering system

2004-08-04 Thread Carsten Thönges
* Maurice Snellen writes:
 at 19:54 where I am) 9Val wrote:

 [+] First usable new filtering system

 Is it just me, or is there no checkbox anymore to indicate whether
 regexp should be active or inactive for a filter. It seems to be
 active by default, at least my old filters that rely on RegExp seem to
 be working, but it could lead to false hits with other filters.

Let your filters »match« regular expression patterns or check
whether a mailpart »contains« a substring.

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Re: New filtering system (was: The Bat! 2.13 Lucky Beta/1 is now available)

2004-08-04 Thread Richard Anders
Hello Thomas,

Tuesday, August 3, 2004, 17:30 you wrote at 
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [X] Incoming
 [X] Outgoing
 [ ] Read
 [ ] Replied
[ ] Common Filter?

And I've an addition: If you realize this, than keep the folder system
because of the better organization. The folder should work as VF - if
a message is marked as [X] Incoming then it appears in the Incoming
folder.

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How to activate New Filtering System

2004-08-04 Thread Gerrit Kruijer
Hello TBbeta-listers,
i must have missed the mail how to activate the new filtering system.
Can someone tell me how to activate this. It looks like i'm still
working with the same (old?) system.


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Re: Regexp in new filtering system

2004-08-03 Thread Ron Secord
Maurice Snellen [MS] wrote:

 Is it just me, or is there no checkbox anymore to indicate whether
 regexp should be active or inactive for a filter. It seems to be
 active by default, at least my old filters that rely on RegExp seem to
 be working, but it could lead to false hits with other filters.

It's NOT just you, I see the same thing.

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Re: New Filtering system - Am I doing it wrong?

2004-08-03 Thread Dimitry Andric
On 2004-08-03 at 11:52:03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The filter read

  Move to blah
  header matches 'Reply-To:' *TBBETA@

 I changed it to

   header field 'Reply-to' matches *TBBETA@

 And tried to refilter my inbox. Now, the filter didn't work, but I
 think this is simply because refiltering didn't seem to work.

I reported a similar problem in a previous message to this list: see
msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED].  In my case I wanted to
use the custom header field Sender:.  However, this simply didn't
work.  I had to revert to the old way of doing it, which searches
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AV when closing new filtering system (was: New filtering system: Common Filters?)

2004-08-03 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Richard,

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:12:18 +0200 GMT (03/08/2004, 03:12 +0700 GMT),
Richard Anders wrote:

 4. If I create a action and delete it, I get a AV when I close the
 sorting office
 Not reproducable (yet)

RA 1. Start TheBat!
RA 2. Open new filter manager: ctrl + alt + shift + t
RA 3. Go to a filter and select action
RA 4. Add an action.
RA 5. Delete THIS action
RA 6. Close the filter manager

RA Anyone?

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Re: AV when closing new filtering system (was: New filtering system: Common Filters?)

2004-08-03 Thread Foster, Graham
Hello Thomas

RA 1. Start TheBat!
RA 2. Open new filter manager: ctrl + alt + shift + t
RA 3. Go to a filter and select action
RA 4. Add an action.
RA 5. Delete THIS action
RA 6. Close the filter manager

RA Anyone?

 Confirmed.
Confirmed... and it will not close the filter window either. You need
to kill and restart TB! to get rid of it.
  
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New filtering system (was: The Bat! 2.13 Lucky Beta/1 is now available)

2004-08-03 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello 9Val,

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:54:25 +0300 GMT (03/08/2004, 00:54 +0700 GMT),
9Val wrote:

9 The Bat! 2.13 Lucky Beta/1 is now available from
9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/

9 Here is a short list of changes:

9 [+] First usable new filtering system

Here is a suggestion I first made several years ago but may have
mentioned again:

We now have seperate filters for

Incoming
Outgoing
Read
Replied

messages. (I am excluding the Selective Download filters, as that is
another functinality.)

The suggestion is to make only one kind of filters, with checkboxes
whether this is an

[X] Incoming
[X] Outgoing
[ ] Read
[ ] Replied

filter. The example shows that I would like filters that I can use ofr
Incoming and Outgoing messages, as I have a lot of such filters, and
having to update only one instead of searching and updating both the
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Re: AV when closing new filtering system (was: New filtering system: Common Filters?)

2004-08-03 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Graham,

On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:59:51 +0100 GMT (03/08/2004, 21:59 +0700 GMT),
Foster, Graham wrote:

 Confirmed.
FG Confirmed... and it will not close the filter window either. You need
FG to kill and restart TB! to get rid of it.
  
It's easier over here: The AV kills TB.

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Re: New Filtering system - Am I doing it wrong?

2004-08-03 Thread Stuart Hemming
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Re: New filtering system (was: The Bat! 2.13 Lucky Beta/1 is now available)

2004-08-03 Thread Stuart Hemming
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TF The suggestion is to make only one kind of filters, with checkboxes
TF whether this is an

TF [X] Incoming
TF [X] Outgoing
TF [ ] Read
TF [ ] Replied

I'd vote for it.

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Re: New filtering system (was: The Bat! 2.13 Lucky Beta/1 is nowavailab le)

2004-08-03 Thread Michael Geyer
Hi Thomas and list,

On Tuesday, August 3, 2004 at 22:30:11 GMT +0700 (which was 17:30
where I live) Thomas Fernandez wrote (at least in parts) and made
these valuable points on the subject of New filtering system (was:
The Bat! 2.13 Lucky Beta/1 is nowavailab le):

 The suggestion is to make only one kind of filters, with checkboxes
 whether this is an

 [X] Incoming
 [X] Outgoing
 [ ] Read
 [ ] Replied

I second that idea

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New filtering system in Lucky Beta

2004-08-02 Thread Zygmunt Wereszczynski
On Monday, August 2, 2004, at 20:33:04 [UTC+0200] (Monday, August 2, 2004
20:33 my local time) Frank Dzicher wrote:

 Deleted all .srb files in one of my accounts and then turned on the new
 filtering system in account settings (debug new filters) but nothing
 changes - there's still the 'good old' filtering system active.

You should mark Debug new filters option in Account properties. My old filters
were properly imported and now I am testing them in new conditions.


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New filtering system: Common Filters?

2004-08-02 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello TBBETA Members!

  Now, I deleted all the old SRBs and checked the Debug  I had
  to go to the new filtering system through the known
  beta-keyboard-shortcut. And then I find all my filters.

  What about the Common Filters?



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Re: New filtering system: Common Filters?

2004-08-02 Thread Frank Dzicher
Hello Dierk, hello The Bat! - Betalist,

* Dierk Haasis wrote:

 the known   beta-keyboard-shortcut

it isn't known for me (maybe I forgot it already after making my last
few steps with the new filter engine). Gimme a hint - please.

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Re[2]: new filtering system TB213b1 Mail Received but not displayed

2004-08-02 Thread Marek Mikus
Hello all,
Monday, August 2, 2004, Tim Casten wrote:

TC I did this 3  more times and then went back and unchecked the
TC debug filters in Account Properties and now all is back to normal.
TC I am seeing in my log file it didnt even try to move the messages
TC after each was being downloaded, but it didnt leave them in my
TC inbox either.

 Can you add filter(s) sources?

 Im not following you, what do you mean?

select filter, hit Ctrl+C for copying source of filter into clipboard,
then use Ctrl+V for pasting source into message editor.

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Re: new filtering system TB213b1 Mail Received but not displayed

2004-08-02 Thread Tim Casten
Hello 9Val,

On Monday, August 02, 2004 at 5:31:59 PM you wrote:
 I meant text filter representation like (from

1st Filter under new filtering

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [39821280.01C478CC.75EB4B9B.61792C0E]
Name: BBS
Filter: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MoveMessage folder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
endFilter

1st Filter under old filters

BeginFilter
Name: BBS
Active: 1
Source: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Target: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actions: 
AddGroups: 
DelGroups: 
ForwardTemplate: 
ConfirmTemplate: 
ReplyTemplate: 
FwdAddr: 
RedirectAddr: 
NewAddr: 
NewTemplate: 
ExtCmd: 
ExtFile: 
ExtractDir: 
ColourGroup: default
AddAddrItems: 
DelAddrItems: 
HotKey: 0
IsOfColour: default
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups: 
NoAddrGroups: 
KillFile: 
KillMethod: 0
SaveTemplate: 
SndFile: 
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter

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Re: New Filtering System

2004-03-26 Thread dAniel hAhler
Hello bats,

on Fri, 26. Mar 2004 at 23:24:43 +0100 Peter Palmreuther wrote:

 But there are two big bugs:

 1. If I select one of my accounts the current filters are not
imported, i.e. applied to the list of filters, for being able how
real filter would look like in this management system without
rebuilding all of them.
 2. As soon as I select one of the categories the right side (tabbed
panel displaying General, Actions and Options) is hidden.
No way to make it appear again other than closing the window and
reopening it, of course with the effect I'll never ever be able to
have a look at existing filters and their reincarnation or to see
potential differences in actions or conditions depending on the
category chosen on the left.

 Comments? Hints? Confirmation of the bugs?

This were exactly the first things I noticed.
But as Stefan said, the Filtering System is not even announced yet,
because being still designed. These are obviously two points that they
are still working at.. :)


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Re: New Filtering System (was: The Bat! v2.05 Beta/12 is now available)

2004-03-26 Thread Jonathan Angliss
On Friday, March 26, 2004, Peter Palmreuther wrote...

ST The new filtering system is being prepared, there is quite an
ST amount of job to be done there, but there is still a hope that it
ST will be announced soon. You may test the interface by
ST Ctrl+Shift+Alt+T

 I can open it using announced shortcut. I can have a look at the
 conditions, actions and options.
 Some conditions need some tweaking (e.g. 'Target folder' could utilize
 a drop down or any other kind of folder selection, as typing all the
 paths is quite tedious).

This isn't the first time they've half done a user interface like that
;) The IMAP folder management was the same way, it's likely to come
along later I'd guess.

 But there are two big bugs:

 1. If I select one of my accounts the current filters are not
imported, i.e. applied to the list of filters, for being able how
real filter would look like in this management system without
rebuilding all of them.

I wouldn't call this a bug, but a lack of an enhancement. Hopefully
part of the plans are to support importing of the old filters. It
would be good if they'd implemented it in this one so we can truly
compare the results, and make sure (at least UI wise) that the imports
went well.

 2. As soon as I select one of the categories the right side (tabbed
panel displaying General, Actions and Options) is hidden.
No way to make it appear again other than closing the window and
reopening it, of course with the effect I'll never ever be able to
have a look at existing filters and their reincarnation or to see
potential differences in actions or conditions depending on the
category chosen on the left.

Confirmed, along with the New (such as new filter, new sub filter
etc) options all vanished, then shortly afterwards, and the categories
(Incoming/Sent/etc) all vanished too.

3. Changing account causes an access violation for me. I only have
   IMAP accounts.

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Re: New Filtering System

2004-03-26 Thread Jonathan Angliss
On Friday, March 26, 2004, dAniel hAhler wrote...

 But as Stefan said, the Filtering System is not even announced yet,
 because being still designed. These are obviously two points that they
 are still working at.. :)

It was announced, he told us to test it (interface only) ;) Here was
what was stated in his email msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

ST The new filtering system is being prepared, there is quite an
ST amount of job to be done there, but there is still a hope that it
ST will be announced soon. You may test the interface by
ST Ctrl+Shift+Alt+T (as it was noted before) and make your
ST suggestions.

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Re: New filtering system

2004-03-12 Thread Richard Anders
Hello Prezes,

Thursday, March 11, 2004, 17:58 you wrote at 
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


 1. Could you implement common filters - this filters should work in all
 accounts, priority of this filter will be lower than account own filter or
 defined by user in Preferences?

This is a old wish. I thought that wish is the reason for the new
sorting office, but, do new one doesn't support this indispensably
feature (yet). Here ist the report in the BT:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=925

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Re[2]: New filtering system

2004-03-12 Thread NetVicious
viernes, 12 mar 2004 at 10:32, it seems you wrote:

 Yes, but not every The Bat! user use BayesIt. What about for example
 other antispam filters? Internal whitelist and blacklist will be a
 very good solution for it.


Of course, I said it on my previous message. ;-)

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