Re: Printing White Text
Thomas, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 10:59:17 AM, you wrote: TF What if I want to print in white, because the TF paper I use is black? Interesting. You have a VERY rare printer... smile But you also have a point. TF No, I don't think the software should be second-guessing what colour I TF would like better than the one coded into the HTML email, I think it TF should print the colour exactly as in the email. (But then, I also TF believe that emails should not be in white colour.) I was just hoping for something approaching HTML printing consistency, so that we could rely on things to print the same whether printed from a browser or an email program. All of the browsers I tried (Firefox, Chrome, IE and Opera) printed the white text as black and did not print the background colors (using the default settings.) A few years ago I found the setting to tell one of the browsers (probably Firefox, but I'm not positive) to print background colors and then it DID attempt to print the text in white -- but since my color printer has no white ink, that didn't work any better than printing white on white. For most of us, the print job needs to be rendered as a full page bitmap and then printed so that the white places are simply not printed at all. Some printers can probably handle that themselves, but I doubt it is a generally available feature. TF If a smart printing module is introduced, please make it optional, TF so I can turn it off. I agree with that completely. I never like being forced to do something the programmer's favorite way when alternate options are available. Since the current code obviously already exists, what I'm hoping for could be a new option (possibly even an optional add-on/plug-in?) There's too small a niche for such an uncommon task so TB guys will definitely not implement this. The polygraphy folk who do this on a regular basis print everything as pictures - which is my suggested way for you as well. -- Best regards, Ivanmailto:v...@mail.mipt.ru 5.3.6.0 (Christmas Edition) on Windows XP Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Printing White Text
Thomas, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 10:59:17 AM, you wrote: TF What if I want to print in white, because the TF paper I use is black? Interesting. You have a VERY rare printer... smile But you also have a point. TF No, I don't think the software should be second-guessing what colour I TF would like better than the one coded into the HTML email, I think it TF should print the colour exactly as in the email. (But then, I also TF believe that emails should not be in white colour.) I was just hoping for something approaching HTML printing consistency, so that we could rely on things to print the same whether printed from a browser or an email program. All of the browsers I tried (Firefox, Chrome, IE and Opera) printed the white text as black and did not print the background colors (using the default settings.) A few years ago I found the setting to tell one of the browsers (probably Firefox, but I'm not positive) to print background colors and then it DID attempt to print the text in white -- but since my color printer has no white ink, that didn't work any better than printing white on white. For most of us, the print job needs to be rendered as a full page bitmap and then printed so that the white places are simply not printed at all. Some printers can probably handle that themselves, but I doubt it is a generally available feature. TF If a smart printing module is introduced, please make it optional, TF so I can turn it off. I agree with that completely. I never like being forced to do something the programmer's favorite way when alternate options are available. Since the current code obviously already exists, what I'm hoping for could be a new option (possibly even an optional add-on/plug-in?) -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.6.2 (BETA) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Printing White Text
Ivan, Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 3:07:00 PM, you wrote: Like my browsers, TB! does not print background colors or images when it prints HTML formatted messages. Unfortunately, unlike my browsers, TB! doesn't seem to be smart enough to print WHITE text as BLACK when it does this. As a result, an email I printed today was almost entirely blank because the moron who sent it assumed that it would print the way a normal browser would print it (I assume.) It may be that I'm just not smart enough to find the appropriate setting in TB! and if that is true, PLEASE tell me where I tell TB! to render WHITE HTML text as BLACK. I also didn't find an option to tell TB! to print the background color or image, either, which could make the white text visible by wasting lots of ink and/or toner. However, if TB! doesn't support these settings, I'd like to make a request that there is at least an option to render WHITE text as BLACK when printing. IP You can change the color of printout's background manually by creating IP and customizing a viewer profile in preferences-profile layout and IP selecting it in print setup. IP But that's a workaround, of course. I'm not really interested in printing backgrounds because, IMHO, they're a waste of ink/toner (both of which are rather expensive.) Not to mention that IMAGE backgrounds almost ALWAYS reduce readability. But still, an /option/ to enable printing background colors and/or images might be useful to some people. I was more thinking of having the print function smart enough to recognize that a [text] color will be invisible and fix the color. In the code I've written, the print function pre-scans what is to be printed and replaces white with black for all text and graphic elements. If *I* can do it, I know that the wizards at RIT can do it, too! smile (That's an honest compliment, by the way, not a wisecrack.) (Sorry for the delay, I've been out of the office for a bit.) -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.6.0 (Christmas Edition) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Printing White Text
Hello Steven, Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 8:20:29 PM, you wrote: SPV I was more thinking of having the print function smart SPV enough to recognize that a [text] color will be invisible SPV and fix the color. In the code I've written, the print SPV function pre-scans what is to be printed and replaces SPV white with black for all text and graphic elements. What if I want to print in white, because the paper I use is black? No, I don't think the software should be second-guessing what colour I would like better than the one coded into the HTML email, I think it should print the colour exactly as in the email. (But then, I also believe that emails should not be in white colour.) If a smart printing module is introduced, please make it optional, so I can turn it off. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.3.6.0 (Christmas Edition) under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Printing White Text
Like my browsers, TB! does not print background colors or images when it prints HTML formatted messages. Unfortunately, unlike my browsers, TB! doesn't seem to be smart enough to print WHITE text as BLACK when it does this. As a result, an email I printed today was almost entirely blank because the moron who sent it assumed that it would print the way a normal browser would print it (I assume.) It may be that I'm just not smart enough to find the appropriate setting in TB! and if that is true, PLEASE tell me where I tell TB! to render WHITE HTML text as BLACK. I also didn't find an option to tell TB! to print the background color or image, either, which could make the white text visible by wasting lots of ink and/or toner. However, if TB! doesn't support these settings, I'd like to make a request that there is at least an option to render WHITE text as BLACK when printing. -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.3.6.0 (Christmas Edition) | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Printing White Text
Like my browsers, TB! does not print background colors or images when it prints HTML formatted messages. Unfortunately, unlike my browsers, TB! doesn't seem to be smart enough to print WHITE text as BLACK when it does this. As a result, an email I printed today was almost entirely blank because the moron who sent it assumed that it would print the way a normal browser would print it (I assume.) It may be that I'm just not smart enough to find the appropriate setting in TB! and if that is true, PLEASE tell me where I tell TB! to render WHITE HTML text as BLACK. I also didn't find an option to tell TB! to print the background color or image, either, which could make the white text visible by wasting lots of ink and/or toner. However, if TB! doesn't support these settings, I'd like to make a request that there is at least an option to render WHITE text as BLACK when printing. Printout contents is governed by the print template (Message-Print setup...-Template). There, the text is inserted with the %TEXT macro. How this macro extracts text from and HTML message is internal details since it doesn't have any parameters of flavors. This particular case and the general case of not printing backgrounds is worth filing a bug IMO. -- Best regards, Ivanmailto:v...@mail.mipt.ru 5.3.6.0 (Christmas Edition) on Windows XP Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Printing White Text
Like my browsers, TB! does not print background colors or images when it prints HTML formatted messages. Unfortunately, unlike my browsers, TB! doesn't seem to be smart enough to print WHITE text as BLACK when it does this. As a result, an email I printed today was almost entirely blank because the moron who sent it assumed that it would print the way a normal browser would print it (I assume.) It may be that I'm just not smart enough to find the appropriate setting in TB! and if that is true, PLEASE tell me where I tell TB! to render WHITE HTML text as BLACK. I also didn't find an option to tell TB! to print the background color or image, either, which could make the white text visible by wasting lots of ink and/or toner. However, if TB! doesn't support these settings, I'd like to make a request that there is at least an option to render WHITE text as BLACK when printing. You can change the color of printout's background manually by creating and customizing a viewer profile in preferences-profile layout and selecting it in print setup. But that's a workaround, of course. -- Best regards, Ivanmailto:v...@mail.mipt.ru 5.3.6.0 (Christmas Edition) on Windows XP Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Printing White Text
SPV Like my browsers, TB! does not print background colors or images SPV when it prints HTML formatted messages. Unfortunately, unlike SPV my browsers, TB! doesn't seem to be smart enough to print WHITE SPV text as BLACK when it does this. As a result, an email I printed SPV today was almost entirely blank because the moron who sent it SPV assumed that it would print the way a normal browser would print SPV it (I assume.) SPV It may be that I'm just not smart enough to find the appropriate SPV setting in TB! and if that is true, PLEASE tell me where I tell SPV TB! to render WHITE HTML text as BLACK. I also didn't find an SPV option to tell TB! to print the background color or image, either, SPV which could make the white text visible by wasting lots of ink SPV and/or toner. SPV However, if TB! doesn't support these settings, I'd like to make SPV a request that there is at least an option to render WHITE text SPV as BLACK when printing. Another work around is to open it in your browser and print from there -- Rick Ayn Rand ranted against social programs that enabled the parasites among the middle-class and the poor to sap the strength from the admirable rich, but she secretly accepted the benefits of Medicare after she was diagnosed with lung cancer. v5.3.6.2 (BETA) on Windows 6.2 Build 9200 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current beta is 5.3.6.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
