Re: SPF for thebat.net
Answering a current message (Wednesday, October 10, 2007, 05:28) Hello Max, MM Any way, any mail server may store the messages, for example, for legal MM inspection by authorities. yes. It MAY. But that is not the matter of dispute. Privacy is a highly sensitive issue - and Google is known to be suspected by lots of people. I don't think we need to discuss whether they are right or wrong, that's a moot point. But from your point of view you should simply take their scrupulosity seriously - just because they are potential customers. As a conclusion I'd say that - the person who newly installs TB and uses the thebat.net mail account must definitely KNOW that in fact he uses Google. - it must not be neccessary to use the web interface even once. (I know that you are working on this.) - the GMail option to remove the messages after accessing them via POP MUST be the default setting. If all this is true, I'd say go for it. -- Regards, Peter Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Thomas, On Wednesday, October 10, 2007 Thomas Fernandez wrote: Why not? Your sent mail will be available through POP, so you'll be able to download it to voyager. Right. But when I get home, I download mymessages onto my home computer. If I have downloaded them already to Voyager, I will have to go back into the web interface and change the POP settings to all messages... really not practical. If you set your username to recent:something, then you won't have to. Obviously, I am giving it a try. I am not convinced yet, let's see whether I change my mind after using it for a while. You do that. A thousand words will not explain as good as an hour of practice. I noticed that I seem to be the only one over here who even tries. I'm not surprised -- if I was the one to read that whole email, explaining how to use an email account, I'd be skeptical too ;) What Google guys did is so-called innovation, however I sense that it's like in its mid-way, not finished. Google's webmail doesn't support many standards, which are quite basic nowadays. Anyway as I said -- after proper configuration one can use gmail through POP without a problem. And what makes it worth is the antispam, which just works! :) Regards, KT -- Krzysztof Trybowski Gadu-Gadu: 1458144 --- Skype: trybowski AQQ: 141062 --- ICQ: 4350719 --- gpg key-id: 0xC937B0F2 Using The Bat! 3.99.24 [reg] under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Krzysztof, On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:11:10 +0200 GMT (10/10/2007, 15:11 +0700 GMT), Krzysztof Trybowski wrote: Why not? Your sent mail will be available through POP, so you'll be able to download it to voyager. Right. But when I get home, I download mymessages onto my home computer. If I have downloaded them already to Voyager, I will have to go back into the web interface and change the POP settings to all messages... really not practical. If you set your username to recent:something, then you won't have to. This will enable me to always download the same mails with different computers? If so, this workaround will work for me. I understood that I have to reset this over and over again in the web interface. (I am currently using this account only on one computer, and Voyager is not configured for it.) I noticed that my mails come back to me, but only the ones I send out. They do not come back to me via the mailing list. I noticed, because I filter on a List header and wondered why they are not sorted into the TBBETA folder: There are no List headers. So, I still don't know whether and when the mail made it to the list. I noticed that I seem to be the only one over here who even tries. I'm not surprised -- if I was the one to read that whole email, explaining how to use an email account, I'd be skeptical too ;) :-) What Google guys did is so-called innovation, however I sense that it's like in its mid-way, not finished. Google's webmail doesn't support many standards, which are quite basic nowadays. Innovation should make it easier, not more complex. They seem to be going the wrong way. Anyway as I said -- after proper configuration one can use gmail through POP without a problem. And what makes it worth is the antispam, which just works! :) As I mentioned, antispam is not a problem for me when I use GMX. BTW are you using Gmail for this list? -- Cheers, Thomas. Personnel executives of 100 major corporations were asked for stories of unusual behavior by job applicants. 5. Interrupted to phone his therapist for advice on answering specific interview questions. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Paul, On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:47:59 -0400 GMT (10/10/2007, 15:47 +0700 GMT), Paul Van Noord wrote: But please take in mind, that all messages that are sent and received via this account will be stored endlessly on GOOGLE's server. (Unless the customer uses the web interface and removes them.) MM Any way, any mail server may store the messages, for example, for MM legal inspection by authorities. Not on my domain, or many others I work with. Check the laws. In many countries, the provider is required to store the messages for a while, I believe it is 180 days in the EU right now, and at least that long in the US. For some reason, this is against terrorism. Never mind whether you delete or remove them - it's like deleting messages in TB! without compressing, they are still there but won't be shown. Max is probably right here. Except that I don't know about stored endlessly. -- Cheers, Thomas. I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello tombkk, On Tuesday, October 9, 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can work it around. Just prefix your username with recent: For example for account named [EMAIL PROTECTED] you'd use username recent:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Where do I set this? In the From account? No, as username in POP3 settings. Read more on this in gmail's help, since it has some further issues. There are more issues? I don't think I *need* gmail then. Okay, by issues I ment the way GMail works. In general it's not bad, it's just a little bit different. So: 1) In other webmail accounts, if you send mail using SMTP, this email is not stored in an account, so you can't see it through webmail in Sent folder. 2) In Gmail if you login without recent: (i.e. the normal way): If you enable POP in Gmail, you can select either that all messages in account are available through POP, or that only messages received from that moment on are available. But no matter what you choose, each message can be downloaded through POP just ONCE. The setting to leave or delete messages from server (in TB!) doesn't apply at all. You can download message just once, then it is not visible through POP. It is still visible through webmail. This makes it impossible to use more than one email client. If you send mail using SMTP, it is stored and you can read it through webmail. It will not be available through POP. Also if the message is sent back to you through mailing list, it will not be available. If you want to have your messages in an ML folder in TB! you need to set up a sent filter. 3) In Gmail if you login with recent: (i.e. the way I prefer): Gmail works more or less like an ordinary account. But: If you enable POP in Gmail, you can select either that all messages in account are available through POP, or that only messages received from that moment on are available. But this time the setting doesn't apply -- through POP you see all messages that exist in the mailbox and that is not older than 30 DAYS. The setting to leave or delete messages from server (in TB!) applies, with an exception that deleted messages actually go to webmail's trash. If you send mail using SMTP, it is stored and you can read it through webmail. The mail IS available through POP, so you will receive back ALL mails you send. A filter can be set to fix that. The conclusion is so: --you will need to set up at least one filter in order to make Gmail behave more or less just like normal account --the only way to download *whole* gmail mailbox is to use normal access mode (see 2) and select proper option -- but you will be able to download whole mailbox just once. Should you need to do is once again you'll need to login to webmail and once again choose a POP setting so that all messages are available though it. --if you don't need to regularly download messages older then 30 days through POP, you'll be just fine with gmail, as I am. I recommend the recent: way. Well, I'm not sure why you call a provider with these issues the best. Because of great antispam and AV, encrypted transfers (SSL), and possibility to use your own domain with gmail. Also if you set it up once, and choose the recent: way, you'll hardly notice any difference. The big advantage is, that if you send a mail through SMTP at home, you can access that mail through webmail from anywhere in the world. It may seem strange, the way it works. I was quite surprised and didn't like it at first. Then I discovered the recent: way and created one or two filters and I'm happy with gmail. -- Krzysztof Trybowski Gadu-Gadu: 1458144 --- Skype: trybowski AQQ: 141062 --- ICQ: 4350719 --- gpg key-id: 0xC937B0F2 Using The Bat! 3.99.24 [reg] under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Krzysztof, On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:38:33 +0200 GMT (09/10/2007, 19:38 +0700 GMT), Krzysztof Trybowski wrote: You can work it around. Just prefix your username with recent: For example for account named [EMAIL PROTECTED] you'd use username recent:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Where do I set this? In the From account? No, as username in POP3 settings. Just did so. Let's see whether I will get this message returned. Read more on this in gmail's help, since it has some further issues. There are more issues? I don't think I *need* gmail then. Okay, by issues I ment the way GMail works. In general it's not bad, it's just a little bit different. So: Thanks for your detailled reply. 1) In other webmail accounts, if you send mail using SMTP, this email is not stored in an account, so you can't see it through webmail in Sent folder. No problem for me. 2) In Gmail if you login without recent: (i.e. the normal way): If you enable POP in Gmail, you can select either that all messages in account are available through POP, or that only messages received from that moment on are available. But no matter what you choose, each message can be downloaded through POP just ONCE. The setting to leave or delete messages from server (in TB!) doesn't apply at all. You can download message just once, then it is not visible through POP. It is still visible through webmail. This makes it impossible to use more than one email client. This is a problem, as I download messages on different computers, and with Voyager. If you send mail using SMTP, it is stored and you can read it through webmail. It will not be available through POP. With other providers, I don't see the messages I sent either, unless I BCC to myself. So this is no problem. Also if the message is sent back to you through mailing list, it will not be available. If you want to have your messages in an ML folder in TB! you need to set up a sent filter. Note my wish for One filter in TB!, the URL of which I posted again yesterday. 3) In Gmail if you login with recent: (i.e. the way I prefer): Gmail works more or less like an ordinary account. But: If you enable POP in Gmail, you can select either that all messages in account are available through POP, or that only messages received from that moment on are available. When I enabled POP, I set it to all messages. But this time the setting doesn't apply -- through POP you see all messages that exist in the mailbox and that is not older than 30 DAYS. The setting to leave or delete messages from server (in TB!) applies, with an exception that deleted messages actually go to webmail's trash. No problem. If you send mail using SMTP, it is stored and you can read it through webmail. The mail IS available through POP, so you will receive back ALL mails you send. A filter can be set to fix that. OK. If I want my own messages back, I usually set a BCC to myself. The conclusion is so: --you will need to set up at least one filter in order to make Gmail behave more or less just like normal account --the only way to download *whole* gmail mailbox is to use normal access mode (see 2) and select proper option -- but you will be able to download whole mailbox just once. Should you need to do is once again you'll need to login to webmail and once again choose a POP setting so that all messages are available though it. --if you don't need to regularly download messages older then 30 days through POP, you'll be just fine with gmail, as I am. I recommend the recent: way. I am following the recent: way. Kindly note that I don't like webmail, for me it's a crutch to use when my OS is on the fritz (again), or when the internet cafe doesn't allow Voyager to run. However, the pros and cons of webmail belong to another discussion we had on TBOT recently. Well, I'm not sure why you call a provider with these issues the best. Because of great antispam and AV, encrypted transfers (SSL), I have that with GMX. and possibility to use your own domain with gmail. Granted. BTW is it free? Also if you set it up once, and choose the recent: way, you'll hardly notice any difference. The big advantage is, that if you send a mail through SMTP at home, you can access that mail through webmail from anywhere in the world. But not with Voyager. It may seem strange, the way it works. I was quite surprised and didn't like it at first. Then I discovered the recent: way and created one or two filters and I'm happy with gmail. Obviously, I am giving it a try. I am not convinced yet, let's see whether I change my mind after using it for a while. -- Cheers, Thomas. Cadix liegt auf einer Insel, und vermittels einer Brucke hangt das feste Land mit dem Meere zusammen. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Thomas, On Tuesday, October 9, 2007 Thomas Fernandez wrote: If you enable POP in Gmail, you can select either that all messages in account are available through POP, or that only messages received from that moment on are available. When I enabled POP, I set it to all messages. Yes, and if you then download them through POP, and return to that setting you'll see that it's changed to from that moment on. Hence I wrote, you can only download them once. I am following the recent: way. Kindly note that I don't like webmail, for me it's a crutch to use when my OS is on the fritz (again), or when the internet cafe doesn't allow Voyager to run. However, the pros and cons of webmail belong to another discussion we had on TBOT recently. I don't like webmail too, and I hardly ever use that. I just wanted to explain how it works in detail. Gmail is a webmail-focused service and it shows. and possibility to use your own domain with gmail. Granted. BTW is it free? Yes. Basic version is free. There exists a premium version too. Keyword: Google Apps. Also if you set it up once, and choose the recent: way, you'll hardly notice any difference. The big advantage is, that if you send a mail through SMTP at home, you can access that mail through webmail from anywhere in the world. But not with Voyager. Why not? Your sent mail will be available through POP, so you'll be able to download it to voyager. Obviously, I am giving it a try. I am not convinced yet, let's see whether I change my mind after using it for a while. You do that. A thousand words will not explain as good as an hour of practice. Regards, KT -- Krzysztof Trybowski Gadu-Gadu: 1458144 --- Skype: trybowski AQQ: 141062 --- ICQ: 4350719 --- gpg key-id: 0xC937B0F2 Using The Bat! 3.99.24 [reg] under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Krzysztof, On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:11:24 +0200 GMT (10/10/2007, 05:11 +0700 GMT), Krzysztof Trybowski wrote: If you enable POP in Gmail, you can select either that all messages in account are available through POP, or that only messages received from that moment on are available. When I enabled POP, I set it to all messages. Yes, and if you then download them through POP, and return to that setting you'll see that it's changed to from that moment on. Hence I wrote, you can only download them once. That's annoying. Once I set it to the de-facto standard, it set itself back to non-standard. I would really like to know what's going on in thier heads. I don't like webmail too, and I hardly ever use that. I just wanted to explain how it works in detail. Gmail is a webmail-focused service and it shows. Agreed. and possibility to use your own domain with gmail. Granted. BTW is it free? Yes. Basic version is free. There exists a premium version too. Keyword: Google Apps. OK. Actually, nobody expects their own domain for free. Also if you set it up once, and choose the recent: way, you'll hardly notice any difference. The big advantage is, that if you send a mail through SMTP at home, you can access that mail through webmail from anywhere in the world. But not with Voyager. Why not? Your sent mail will be available through POP, so you'll be able to download it to voyager. Right. But when I get home, I download mymessages onto my home computer. If I have downloaded them already to Voyager, I will have to go back into the web interface and change the POP settings to all messages... really not practical. Obviously, I am giving it a try. I am not convinced yet, let's see whether I change my mind after using it for a while. You do that. A thousand words will not explain as good as an hour of practice. I noticed that I seem to be the only one over here who even tries. -- Cheers, Thomas. I saw a woman wearing a sweatshirt with 'Guess' on it. I said, 'Thyroid problem?' http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Maxim, On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 20:27:35 +0300 GMT (10/10/2007, 00:27 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: So does GMX... Does GMX provide an opportunity to create an e-mail account solely from a mail client software? Probably not. However, I believe Gmail is not suitable for your purpose due to their policy about POP. Firstly, you produce an email client in two versions, normal and USB (Voyager). Of course, Voyager is for travels, and if the user comes back home, he can't download the messages again onto his PC. Secondly, I know I am not the only one who downloads messages both onto their home computers and their work computers every day. If I can download only once and then have to go back into the web interface before I can download again, the email address is pretty useless. Thirdly, you must ensure the settings at Gmail are so that when an account is created via using TB!, own messages (sent to mailing lists or BCC to oneself) are always downloadable. It is ridiculous to expect me to log into the web interface just to see my own messages. Our goal is not to force a particular mail service, but to give an opportunity to easily create an account. The idea is not bad, but I think you chose the wrong email provider. It is important that the POP policy follows standard - TB! is known for strictly following standards. And I'd rather log into the web interface in order to create and setup an account once, than every time I need to receive messages on a second computer. The whole purpose of your project (creating from email client, no need to log into web interface) seems defeated by the need to log into the web interface regularly (to reset the POP settings), rather than only once. Just my 2 cents. -- Cheers, Thomas. Um zu antworten, bitte die From-Zeile mit ROT13 bearbeiten. Danach mit MD5 hashen, zeichenweise den ASCII-Code um 2 erhoehen (mod 57) und erneut um 63 erhoehen. Dann mit der urspruenglichen Adresse x-oren. Schliesslich am Ergebnis erfreuen und so antworten wie gewohnt. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Maxim, On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:35:13 +0300 GMT (08/10/2007, 10:35 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM We have adjusted the SPF for thebat.net, could you please check MM this out and let us know the results? I don't seem to receive my own message sent from thebat.net at my thebat.net address. This is true for both PMs to myself as well as the messages I sent to TBBETA. I have received my TBBETA messages on my GMX and MyRealbox accounts, though. Is thebat.net blocking itself? -- Cheers, Thomas. SYMPTOM: Floor moving. FAULT: You are being carried out. ACTION: Find out if you are being taken to another bar. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hi Thomas, I don't seem to receive my own message sent from thebat.net at my thebat.net address. This is true for both PMs to myself as well as the messages I sent to TBBETA. Is thebat.net blocking itself? That's the way GMail works. You cannot send emails to yourself. I'm not sure why. -- All the best, Peter Gannushkin http://sonicbeet.com/ http://downtownmusic.net/ Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Peter, On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:50:15 -0400 GMT (08/10/2007, 22:50 +0700 GMT), Peter Gannushkin wrote: Is thebat.net blocking itself? PG That's the way GMail works. You cannot send emails to yourself. I'm PG not sure why. Then why did Ritlabs choose Gmail? I was planning to use that address for my five TB! mailing lists. Looks like the attempt is futile. -- Cheers, Thomas. You know that little indestructible black box that is used on planes; why can't they make the whole plane out of the same substance ? http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Maxim, Monday, October 8, 2007, 6:35:13 AM, you wrote (possibly edited): We have adjusted the SPF for thebat.net, could you please check this out and let us know the results? I confirm that there are no problems receving and sending messages from/to thebat.net. -- Best regards, Costas Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hi Thomas, on Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:00:02 +0700GMT (08.10.2007, 18:00 +0200GMT here), you wrote: TF On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:50:15 -0400 GMT (08/10/2007, 22:50 +0700 GMT), TF Peter Gannushkin wrote: Is thebat.net blocking itself? PG That's the way GMail works. You cannot send emails to yourself. I'm PG not sure why. TF Then why did Ritlabs choose Gmail? I was planning to use that address TF for my five TB! mailing lists. Looks like the attempt is futile. You can work around it by filtering your sent mail to the list folder. You won't know however, if or when your message made it to the list. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.99.24 :beta: on WinXP, SP2, 5, 1, build 2600 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE disabled AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1794 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Peter, On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:43:43 +0200 GMT (08/10/2007, 23:43 +0700 GMT), Peter Meyns wrote: TF Then why did Ritlabs choose Gmail? I was planning to use that address TF for my five TB! mailing lists. Looks like the attempt is futile. You can work around it by filtering your sent mail to the list folder. You won't know however, if or when your message made it to the list. I'm not interested in work-arounds. I think I'll stick with GMX. -- Cheers, Thomas. 10 Anzeichen, woran Sie bemerken, dass Ihre Lebensmittel nicht mehr geniessbar sind: 7. Der Schnittlauch auf dem Butterbrot blueht. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Thomas, On Monday, October 8, 2007 Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello Maxim, On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:35:13 +0300 GMT (08/10/2007, 10:35 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM We have adjusted the SPF for thebat.net, could you please check MM this out and let us know the results? I don't seem to receive my own message sent from thebat.net at my thebat.net address. This is true for both PMs to myself as well as the messages I sent to TBBETA. I have received my TBBETA messages on my GMX and MyRealbox accounts, though. Is thebat.net blocking itself? You can work it around. Just prefix your username with recent: For example for account named [EMAIL PROTECTED] you'd use username recent:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Read more on this in gmail's help, since it has some further issues. I agree that Gmail is currently the best, I've been using three google-based accounts for some time, and have no problems with them. -- Krzysztof Trybowski Gadu-Gadu: 1458144 --- Skype: trybowski AQQ: 141062 --- ICQ: 4350719 --- gpg key-id: 0xC937B0F2 Using The Bat! 3.99.24 [reg] under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Maxim, on Monday, 8. October 2007, at 05:35:38 [GMT +0200] you wrote regarding SPF for thebat.net: We have adjusted the SPF for thebat.net, could you please check this out and let us know the results? no problems sending and receiving. -- Ciao Thomas Using: TheBat! 3.99.24 System: Windows XP Build 2600 Service Pack 2 PGP:Key-ID: 0x70D9F03B Visit: TheBat! World on http://www.thebatworld.de Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Maxim, On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:24:18 +0300 GMT (09/10/2007, 01:24 +0700 GMT), Maxim Masiutin wrote: Then why did Ritlabs choose Gmail? I was planning to use that address for my five TB! mailing lists. Looks like the attempt is futile. Ritlabs is currently the best among mail providers: it offers good anti-spam, and encrypted SMTP connection to the server. So does GMX... -- Cheers, Thomas. Der Neue Grosse Shell Atlas Erster Autoatlas mit Verfahrgarantie. * http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Krzysztof, On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 22:41:24 +0200 GMT (09/10/2007, 03:41 +0700 GMT), Krzysztof Trybowski wrote: I don't seem to receive my own message sent from thebat.net at my thebat.net address. This is true for both PMs to myself as well as the messages I sent to TBBETA. I have received my TBBETA messages on my GMX and MyRealbox accounts, though. Is thebat.net blocking itself? You can work it around. Just prefix your username with recent: For example for account named [EMAIL PROTECTED] you'd use username recent:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Where do I set this? In the From account? Read more on this in gmail's help, since it has some further issues. There are more issues? I don't think I *need* gmail then. I agree that Gmail is currently the best, I've been using three google-based accounts for some time, and have no problems with them. Well, I'm not sure why you call a provider with these issues the best. -- Cheers, Thomas. I intend to live forever - so far, so good. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hello Peter, On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:43:43 +0200 GMT (08/10/2007, 23:43 +0700 GMT), Peter Meyns wrote: PM You can work around it by filtering your sent mail to the list PM folder. You won't know however, if or when your message made it to PM the list. IF (big if) I were to use a workaround by way of TB!-Filters, I would now have to create Outging filters copying the conditions and actions of the Incoming filters. This is only because Rtilabs chose Gmail. Maybe, in order to make using thebat.net easier for their customers, they could now consider this wish: One kind of filters https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3319 -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: Any lock can be picked by a credit card or a paper clip in seconds, unless it's the door to a burning building with a child trapped inside. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPF for thebat.net
Hi Maxim, Sunday, October 7, 2007, 9:35:13 PM, you wrote: Hello Tbbeta, We have adjusted the SPF for thebat.net, could you please check this out and let us know the results? I had no trouble receiving mail from my thebat.net account with AOL, Yahoo, Gmail or MSN. The headers for gmail showed a neutral rating. I didn't see any alerts (high ratings) in any of the headings. Bob Riley -- Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
