Re: TB! 3.95.1 and Voyager 3.86.03 don't work under Win98SE
Hello Peter, Thursday, December 21, 2006, 19:42:28, you wrote: >>yesterday I upgraded my girlfriend's TB!. She has an old notebook >>running Win98SE with a P2 processor at 233 MHz. Yes, The Bat! is currently incompatible with Win98, but we are going to fix this. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.86.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.95.1 and Voyager 3.86.03 don't work under Win98SE
Hi Maxim, on Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:03:23 +0200GMT (21.12.2006, 19:03 +0100GMT here), you wrote: MM> Thursday, December 21, 2006, 19:42:28, you wrote: >>>yesterday I upgraded my girlfriend's TB!. She has an old notebook >>>running Win98SE with a P2 processor at 233 MHz. MM> Yes, The Bat! is currently incompatible with Win98, but we are going to fix this. Thank you, that is good to know. :) I think this particularly important for Voyager users who may not know which machine they can use next. You should mention it on the download page. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.95.1 on WinXP, SP2, 5, 1, build 2600 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE disabled AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1794 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current beta is 3.86.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.95.1 and Voyager 3.86.03 don't work under Win98SE
Hello Maxim, Thursday, December 21, 2006, 8:03:23 PM, you wrote: > Yes, The Bat! is currently incompatible with Win98, but we are going to fix > this. Again, I ask my self. When do RitLabs are going to drop support for legacy systems, and finally focus on long standing more important issues like IMAP or Unicode support? -- Vilius Current beta is 3.86.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.95.1 and Voyager 3.86.03 don't work under Win98SE
Hi Vilius, on Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:46:54 +0200GMT (21.12.2006, 20:46 +0100GMT here), you wrote: VŠ> Thursday, December 21, 2006, 8:03:23 PM, you wrote: >> Yes, The Bat! is currently incompatible with Win98, but we are going to fix >> this. VŠ> Again, I ask my self. When do RitLabs are going to drop support for VŠ> legacy systems, and finally focus on long standing more important VŠ> issues like IMAP or Unicode support? I agree they should fix IMAP and Unicode issues, but they should *not* drop support for Win98 - especially for Voyager. I don't know how many systems run Win98 right now worldwide, but I guess it's a lot. Voyager is meant to run on as many Windows machines as possible! So Win98 support is crucial. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.95.1 on WinXP, SP2, 5, 1, build 2600 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE disabled AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1794 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current beta is 3.86.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.95.1 and Voyager 3.86.03 don't work under Win98SE
Hello Peter Meyns & everyone else, on 21-Dez-2006 at 21:07 you (Peter Meyns) wrote: > I agree they should fix IMAP and Unicode issues, but they should *not* > drop support for Win98 - especially for Voyager. I don't know how many > systems run Win98 right now worldwide, but I guess it's a lot. Voyager > is meant to run on as many Windows machines as possible! So Win98 > support is crucial. If you're going to use Voyager from a USB device on Win98 you'll need a driver for the USB device first. :-) TB is way more complex than it used to be. I've nagged about the performance of the newer versions compared to 3.0.x repeatedly. What does it look like on a machine that is 8+ years old, running Win98? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Drill for oil? You mean drill into the ground to try and find oil? You're crazy! -- Drillers who Edwin L. Drake tried to enlist to his project to drill for oil in 1859. Current beta is 3.86.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.95.1 and Voyager 3.86.03 don't work under Win98SE
12/21/2006 3:15 PM Hi Peter, On 12/21/2006 Peter Meyns wrote: PM> Hi all, PM> yesterday I upgraded my girlfriend's TB!. She has an old notebook PM> running Win98SE with a P2 processor at 233 MHz. TB! starts normally PM> (the Christmas splash screen found her approval), but the main window PM> insists on having the focus. It cannot be minimized nor can other PM> windows like menus or a new message be used. They pop up and PM> immediately lose the focus. I found no way around this apart from PM> going back to 3.85.03. PM> The next surprise came when I started my Voyager on her machine. I had PM> found version 3.86.03 on Ritlabs' download page and installed it. It PM> works well on my WinXP PC. Under Win98SE it showed exactly the same PM> symptoms as 3.95.1, so I couldn't even complain about it until now, PM> because I couldn't write a new message. It pops up, but the focus gets PM> lost in a quarter of a second. PM> Does anyone here use Win98SE and see the same? Yes! Same problem w/ Voyager. -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.86.03 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 3.86.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.95.1 and Voyager 3.86.03 don't work under Win98SE
Hello Alexander, Thursday, December 21, 2006, 10:20:28 PM, you wrote: > If you're going to use Voyager from a USB device on Win98 you'll need a > driver for the USB device first. :-) > TB is way more complex than it used to be. I've nagged about the > performance of the newer versions compared to 3.0.x repeatedly. What > does it look like on a machine that is 8+ years old, running Win98? That's completely true. For the same reasons Mozilla developers dropped support for 9x systems in Firefox 3.0 too. As an ex-developer I know that handling _all_ Windows systems is hard and time consuming. I wish RitLabs developers spent that time on more important issues. In my opinion it is the right time to move on. I checked stats on couple of my websites and Win9x platforms uses about 0.32-0.75% of the traffic only. I guess this number is even lower in rich developed countries. Also, Win9x users could still download and use older "frozen" version of The Bat and Voyager that works with their system. This way they will have a stimulus to upgrade. You can't have one computer for 10 year without loosing something, you know :) -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 3.86.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.95.1 and Voyager 3.86.03 don't work under Win98SE
Hi Alexander, on Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:20:28 +0100GMT (21.12.2006, 21:20 +0100GMT here), you wrote: ASK> on 21-Dez-2006 at 21:07 you (Peter Meyns) wrote: >> I agree they should fix IMAP and Unicode issues, but they should *not* >> drop support for Win98 - especially for Voyager. I don't know how many >> systems run Win98 right now worldwide, but I guess it's a lot. Voyager >> is meant to run on as many Windows machines as possible! So Win98 >> support is crucial. ASK> If you're going to use Voyager from a USB device on Win98 you'll need a ASK> driver for the USB device first. :-) True. I don't know how to overcome this except for having the driver CD at hand. On my girlfriend's machine it is, of course, installed. :) ASK> TB is way more complex than it used to be. I've nagged about the ASK> performance of the newer versions compared to 3.0.x repeatedly. What ASK> does it look like on a machine that is 8+ years old, running Win98? 3.85.03 looks and works quite the same as on XP. Everything is slower though... ;) -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.95.1 on WinXP, SP2, 5, 1, build 2600 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE disabled AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1794 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current beta is 3.86.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.95.1 and Voyager 3.86.03 don't work under Win98SE
> Yes, The Bat! is currently incompatible with Win98, but we are going to > fix this. I hope this includes voyager and it's decendents. -- ck (note handmade delimiter and happy christmas to all) Current beta is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.95.1 and Voyager 3.86.03 don't work under Win98SE
Hi Maxim, on Sat, 23 Dec 2006 19:37:24 +0200GMT (23.12.2006, 18:37 +0100GMT here), you wrote: MM> Saturday, December 23, 2006, 19:26:09, you wrote: >>>I hope this includes voyager and it's decendents. MM> Voyager 3.86.03 is OK under Win98. No, it isn't. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.95.4 :beta: on WinXP, SP2, 5, 1, build 2600 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE disabled AMD Athlon 2200+ at 1794 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current beta is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
