Re: Shortcut editor in View/Toolbars/Customise

[Mary Bull]

Hello Marek!

On Monday, April 11, 2005, 4:06 PM, you wrote:

>> Thanks, Marek, if you can please forgive me, and thanks to Maxim, too,
>> if he can forgive me for the lapse. I'll try to do better in the
>> future. :ashamed:

> no problem on my side

:) Thanks. And maybe I will even have turned out to be a little bit of
help with the new shortcut editor.

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Re[2]: Shortcut editor in View/Toolbars/Customise

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Monday, April 11, 2005, Mary Bull wrote:

> Thanks, Marek, if you can please forgive me, and thanks to Maxim, too,
> if he can forgive me for the lapse. I'll try to do better in the
> future. :ashamed:

no problem on my side :-)

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Re: Shortcut editor in View/Toolbars/Customise

[Mary Bull]

Hello Mary!

On Monday, April 11, 2005, 11:07 AM, you wrote:

> I shall wait a little longer, to see who else will comment in this
> thread, and then I shall add a note to
> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4205

> calling Maxim's attention to this entire thread.

I have now just done so. And I return here with a red face and an
apology to Marek Mikus.

He's the one working with this bugtraq page, and I inadvertently wrote
"Maxim" several times this morning before, it would seem, my coffee
had waked my old brain up sufficiently.

My apologies also to "Maxim" and to everyone on tbbeta who has seen me
mixing the names up.

Thanks, Marek, if you can please forgive me, and thanks to Maxim, too,
if he can forgive me for the lapse. I'll try to do better in the
future. :ashamed:

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Re: Shortcut editor in View/Toolbars/Customise

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Mary,

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 you wrote in 

MB> (Sorry you couldn't sleep. OT: I've been assuming that you're very
MB> busy with spring gardening, etc., lately. :) )

Got back in the garden today as we've just had a very wet cold week but
back to nice warm weather again and all the little green shoots are
poking through. quite exciting!

MB> It is too much for my old brains!

That's you and me both :-)

MB> I said that I'd like some quick instructions for this feature from
MB> the developers, here on tbbeta.

Yes, it's too complicated for me.

MB> Thanks so much for this reply from you, Richard. I hope you did
MB> finally get some sleep!

I certainly did thanks and feel a lot better as I've just come back from
a good bike ride in the lovely quiet roads that surround me.

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Re: Shortcut editor in View/Toolbars/Customise

[Mary Bull]

Hello Roelof!

On Monday, April 11, 2005, 10:51 AM, you wrote:

MB>> However, "**Unknown**" is not on the menu I see. Just "Stamdard"
MB>> [I should have typed "Standard"--MB] and "Formatting" and
MB>> "Customise".

> It is on my list (as only item), at first I had some things as
> 'standard' and 'configuration', but after I customized the standard
> toolbar I'm only seeing the **unknown**, so I guess you could call
> this a bug report.

Indeed, a bug report.

I shall wait a little longer, to see who else will comment in this
thread, and then I shall add a note to
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4205

calling Maxim's attention to this entire thread.

> What I did was adding a toolbar (called 'new toolbar') added  'mark as
> junk to it and assigned a shortcut to it. And everything was fine.
> Afterwards I decided that I didn't need  another toolbar as I don't
> show any of them, so I deleted my new toolbar.
> Then I added 'mark as junk' to the standard toolbar and again assigned
> my shortcut (Ctrl+F12) to it.
> No the toolbars are unavailable from the main screen, though I can
> still access them from the editor, the address book and the view
> folder screen.

Thanks a million for adding this further information. Perhaps some of
this will get fixed before we are offered v. .14. :)

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Re: Shortcut editor in View/Toolbars/Customise

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Mary,

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:51:14 -0500GMT (11-4-2005, 16:51 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MB> However, "**Unknown**" is not on the menu I see. Just "Stamdard" and
MB> "Formatting" and "Customise".

It is on my list (as only item), at first I had some things as
'standard' and 'configuration', but after I customized the standard
toolbar I'm only seeing the **unknown**, so I guess you could call
this a bug report.

What I did was adding a toolbar (called 'new toolbar') added  'mark as
junk to it and assigned a shortcut to it. And everything was fine.
Afterwards I decided that I didn't need  another toolbar as I don't
show any of them, so I deleted my new toolbar.
Then I added 'mark as junk' to the standard toolbar and again assigned
my shortcut (Ctrl+F12) to it.
No the toolbars are unavailable from the main screen, though I can
still access them from the editor, the address book and the view
folder screen.

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Re: Shortcut editor in View/Toolbars/Customise

[Mary Bull]

Hello Mary!

On Monday, April 11, 2005, 9:51 AM, you wrote:

> However, "**Unknown**" is not on the menu I see. Just "Stamdard" and
> "Formatting" and "Customise".

Make that "Standard." My usual butterfingers typos and poor
proofreading skills are again in play this morning! :(

> I see that in the main window menu and in the "View Folder" and "Edit
> Mail Message" windows. ...

Very convenient to be able to reach the "Customise" page from all
three places, I think.

But it would not be obvious--at least not obvious to me--that the
place to seek the shortcut editor is under "Toolbars/Customise."

Does anyone else see this as a difficulty?

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Re: Shortcut editor in View/Toolbars/Customise

[Mary Bull]

Hello Richard!

On Sunday, April 10, 2005, 8:53 PM, you wrote:

MB>> I've been monitoring a January 9, 2005, issue on bugtraq about
MB>> consolidating the shortcut editor[s] into one.

> Yes, I got a couple of mails about it so thought that I'd have a play as
> I can't sleep. I've looked at it before and at least it seems semi
> understandable with the left pane now divided into various sections
> instead of just one massive long list but I'm damned if I can get it to
> work.

I can't go further to test it, since I don't know the steps to try to
make a new shortcut for which I specify the keys.

(Sorry you couldn't sleep. OT: I've been assuming that you're very
busy with spring gardening, etc., lately. :) )

MB>> You choose "Save All" under current items, and the new shortcut is
MB>> assigned in a box labeled "Shortcut."

> All I tried to do was to assign my own shortcut key to "Move to next
> unread" so I selected "Message view popup" in the "Select container" and
> then went to "Move to next unread". I see that CTRL+ALT+L or CTRL+] are
> assigned. Well that's wrong for a start because also plain CTRL+L works
> too.

Okay, a conflict.

> I can get rid of one or all of them but can't assign one myself. It
> doesn't let you do it. I don't want to add a button or another menu
> command, just change it and I can't. I'm glad you've got it sorted but I
> find it all far too ambiguous as to what to do :-(

It is not sorted for me. I was only able to make a shortcut for "Save
All," which I did as a test, following the screenshot that Maxim
provided on the issue page,
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4205

> I wonder, do I have to delete the "Move to next" and then re insert it
> from the left hand column so that I can then put my keystroke in? All
> too complicated. Time to go back to bed before I get totally frustrated
> and stop myself from sleeping.

It is too much for my old brains! In my reply to Greg Strong's
comments in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  ,

I said that I'd like some quick instructions for this feature from the
developers, here on tbbeta.

I think I'll now go to the issue page and cite his post and yours to
Maxim, just in case he doesn't find time to read this thread.

Well, I'll wait at least until my own two Reply posts make it to the
list, so I can cite them also. More economical than trying to explain
all these complicated difficulties in an added bugnote there, I think.

Thanks so much for this reply from you, Richard. I hope you did
finally get some sleep! :)

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Re: Shortcut editor in View/Toolbars/Customise

[Mary Bull]

Hello Greg!

On Sunday, April 10, 2005, 10:32 PM, you wrote:

>> Just today Marek Mikus notified me there that the new one is in
>> View/Toolbars/Customise/

> Yes it can be found in the 'Edit Mail Message' window, and the 'View
> Folder' window. When I look from the main window with 'Full Height
> Account Tree' I see View | Toolbars | **Unknown**

Ah. Hadn't gone far enough to find out that "Customise" can be reached
from the "View Folder" and "Edit Mail Message" windows as well as from
the main window.

However, "**Unknown**" is not on the menu I see. Just "Stamdard" and
"Formatting" and "Customise".

I see that in the main window menu and in the "View Folder" and "Edit
Mail Message" windows. And it does bring up a dialogue page with many
customizing options.

Version 3.0.9.13 is the first 9.xx download version I've put on my
machine.

So I'm speculating that "Unknown" may have been taken off, but that
it's conserved in your menu from the earlier 9.xx betas. This happened
to me when the first "Wizards" to be offered, a long time ago, stayed
in my Bat directory even after the developers removed them in later
betas.

>> Anyone else have thoughts on this?

> I looked at this feature a few betas ago and the general response was
> the code was not complete. Given the **Unknown** menu I'm not sure how
> much has changed. I do know they added shortcuts on the options tab of
> the QT's. So without giving it a play you may now have 2 places for
> shortcuts to be created.

Could you give me a more precise path to this? I can't find such an
options tab. I would like to check it out, since the issue in
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4205
is the need for just one shortcut editor.

> IIRC there use to be 1 place to look for conflicts. So if a shortcut
> doesn't work, then where do I find out if there is a conflict between
> shortcuts?

I want to explore this question with Maxim, also.

> I just added a shortcut to a QT that doesn't work.  Could be a
> conflict, or maybe I have to shut TB down and re-start. I don't know.

It would be nice to get some quick documentation on this from the
developers, here on tbbeta, so that we can continue with testing the
shortcut editor in a useful way.

Maxim asked that comments be put on the issue page for which I've
given the URL above.

But I hope he will also be reading this thread.

> Just thinking out loud, and adding my $.02 worth.

Much appreciated, at least by me.

I'm a mouse person and hardly ever use keyboard shortcuts. I got
interested in the problems because a number of the friends I've made
on these lists--including yourself, Greg, and Richard Wakeford--were
so frustrated with the situation last January.

If I can find that there are still two shortcut editors, I shall
report that on the issue page to Maxim.

Now's the time, since he's currently working on it, and asking for
comments.

And also the time to report the difficulties using the new editor.

All that it did for me was to create a shortcut for "Save All" to
which it assigned the keys. I haven't explored it further, since I
wanted to ask for in-put from people who actually do rely on
shortcuts.

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Re: Shortcut editor in View/Toolbars/Customise

[Greg Strong]

Hello Mary,

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:18:18 -0500 GMT(4/10/2005, 7:18 PM -0600 GMT), 
per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary Bull wrote:

> Just today Marek Mikus notified me there that the new one is in
> View/Toolbars/Customise/

Yes it can be found in the 'Edit Mail Message' window, and the 'View
Folder' window. When I look from the main window with 'Full Height
Account Tree' I see View | Toolbars | **Unknown**



> Anyone else have thoughts on this?

I looked at this feature a few betas ago and the general response was
the code was not complete. Given the **Unknown** menu I'm not sure how
much has changed. I do know they added shortcuts on the options tab of
the QT's. So without giving it a play you may now have 2 places for
shortcuts to be created.

IIRC there use to be 1 place to look for conflicts. So if a shortcut
doesn't work, then where do I find out if there is a conflict between
shortcuts?

I just added a shortcut to a QT that doesn't work.  Could be a
conflict, or maybe I have to shut TB down and re-start. I don't know.

Just thinking out loud, and adding my $.02 worth.

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Re: Shortcut editor in View/Toolbars/Customise

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Mary,

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 you wrote in 

MB> I've been monitoring a January 9, 2005, issue on bugtraq about
MB> consolidating the shortcut editor[s] into one.

Yes, I got a couple of mails about it so thought that I'd have a play as
I can't sleep. I've looked at it before and at least it seems semi
understandable with the left pane now divided into various sections
instead of just one massive long list but I'm damned if I can get it to
work.

MB> You choose "Save All" under current items, and the new shortcut is
MB> assigned in a box labeled "Shortcut."

All I tried to do was to assign my own shortcut key to "Move to next
unread" so I selected "Message view popup" in the "Select container" and
then went to "Move to next unread". I see that CTRL+ALT+L or CTRL+] are
assigned. Well that's wrong for a start because also plain CTRL+L works
too.

I can get rid of one or all of them but can't assign one myself. It
doesn't let you do it. I don't want to add a button or another menu
command, just change it and I can't. I'm glad you've got it sorted but I
find it all far too ambiguous as to what to do :-(

I wonder, do I have to delete the "Move to next" and then re insert it
from the left hand column so that I can then put my keystroke in? All
too complicated. Time to go back to bed before I get totally frustrated
and stop myself from sleeping.

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Shortcut editor in View/Toolbars/Customise

[Mary Bull]

Hello Everyone!

I've been monitoring a January 9, 2005, issue on bugtraq about
consolidating the shortcut editor[s] into one. Just today Marek Mikus
notified me there that the new one is in View/Toolbars/Customise/

You choose "Save All" under current items, and the new shortcut is
assigned in a box labeled "Shortcut."

There's a screenshot on the bugtraq issue page:

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4205

I think this is probably a pretty good place for the editor, except
that it's not self-evident what to do to use it.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

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Re[2]: View/Toolbars

[Peter Hampf]

Good evening MAU,

on Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:00:45 +0100 GMT your local time you wrote:

M> Have you copied _all_ files included in the *.rar archive to the
M> installation directory?

But of course!

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Re: View/Toolbars

[MAU]

Hello Peter,

>   the only entry in "View/Toolbars" is "** Unknown **".
> 
>   Well, that's correct, it's unknown to me :-) ... But what is this for?

Have you copied _all_ files included in the *.rar archive to the
installation directory?

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View/Toolbars

[Peter Hampf]

Good evening tbbeta,

  the only entry in "View/Toolbars" is "** Unknown **".

  Well, that's correct, it's unknown to me :-) ... But what is this for?

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