Windows XP appearance issues
Running TB 1.54b9 on XP demonstrates one obvious glitch and a lot of appearance problems which are architectural (requiring a lot of work, and probably the migration from Delphi 2 to 6 mentioned elsewhere). The obvious glitch is the 'menu navigator' button which, with the default XP UI skin, appears distorted as the default XP buttons are 4 times the area of previous Microsoft OS buttons; I can provide a picture if needed. (Other applications which introduce custom buttons into the title bar of windows, such as the ATI multiple monitor tools, have the same problem). I think this could probably be fixed fairly easily at the moment. Probably the worst appearance problem is the mixing of system and proportional fonts (I use Tahoma for the panes); with ClearType turned on* the system fonts (MS Sans Serif and similar) suddenly look way out of place. There are also lots of UI issues with, among other controls, the icons and dialog box layouts not looking 'XP-like', but I presume almost every Microsoft software developer is wrestling with the same issues at the moment ... Alastair * hugely improving readability of fonts, I must say! _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re: Windows XP appearance issues
Thomas wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:02:09 +0100 GMT (21/09/2001, 16:02 +0800 GMT), Alastair Scott wrote: AS which, with the default XP UI skin, appears distorted as the AS default XP buttons are 4 times the area of previous Microsoft OS AS buttons; I can provide a picture if needed. Please do. A screenshot of resonable size will be appreciated, as I believe I am not the only one who has never seen XP in action. AS Probably the worst appearance problem is the mixing of system and AS proportional fonts (I use Tahoma for the panes); with ClearType turned AS on* the system fonts (MS Sans Serif and similar) suddenly look way out AS of place. Again, screenshot appreciated. Will do all tonight (I'm currently at the wrong machine, running Windows 95). I emphasise that I've turned up nothing affecting the *functionality* of TB under XP; it's the appearance that's the problem. (Mind you, it's a big problem - if someone downloads TB and thinks 'that looks like something from the 20th century' they're not going to buy it!) Alastair _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re: Windows XP appearance issues
AS The obvious glitch is the 'menu navigator' button which, with the AS default XP UI skin, appears distorted as the default XP buttons are 4 AS times the area of previous Microsoft OS buttons; I can provide a picture AS if needed. (Other applications which introduce custom buttons into the AS title bar of windows, such as the ATI multiple monitor tools, have the AS same problem). I think this could probably be fixed fairly easily at the AS moment. yeah I run XP and I know what you mean, altho not a big problem cuz didn't someone somewhere point out the menu navigator is only for the beta and will be taken out for the final? another issue with it is, on mine at least, it's not always visible, the winXP gui tries to hid it so it comes and goes, sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. AS Probably the worst appearance problem is the mixing of system and AS proportional fonts (I use Tahoma for the panes); with ClearType turned AS on* the system fonts (MS Sans Serif and similar) suddenly look way out AS of place. There are also lots of UI issues with, among other controls, AS the icons and dialog box layouts not looking 'XP-like', but I presume AS almost every Microsoft software developer is wrestling with the same AS issues at the moment ... could you give a little more info as to how you have your fonts setup? I would like to see this since mine look fine all in all the bat works and looks fine in XP as far as I can tell with the exception of the above noted things -- Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. -abraham lincoln -- Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/9 System: AMD K6-2 500; 384mb Ram OS: Windows XP Professional -- Until Next Time, Screwyluie [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re: Windows XP appearance issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Screwyluie! On Friday, September 21, 2001 at 7:11:07 PM you wrote: didn't someone somewhere point out the menu navigator is only for the beta and will be taken out for the final? I think Maxim once wrote that. another issue with it is, on mine at least, it's not always visible, the winXP gui tries to hid it so it comes and goes, sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. Same on Win95c. That is my main complaint, if it is in, than let it be shown. If it is not, let it go completely. The fun part is that PowerPro, which I now use, puts a bar - defined as Show in caption right - over the position of the Navigator Menu, directly beside the Minimise button. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/9 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Arbeit um der Arbeit willen ist gegen die Natur. (John Locke) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO6uAg/To1oA8g8dLEQLHegCgl3WL7K3BJaajJwb42ZRoXEdeJoQAnRwx YmoWCos7zwwCcK4Ltem9mzSZ =IIpv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re[2]: Windows XP appearance issues
On 21 September 2001 at 6:11 pm Screwyluie wrote: AS The obvious glitch is the 'menu navigator' button which, with the AS default XP UI skin, appears distorted as the default XP buttons are 4 AS times the area of previous Microsoft OS buttons; I can provide a picture AS if needed. (Other applications which introduce custom buttons into the AS title bar of windows, such as the ATI multiple monitor tools, have the AS same problem). I think this could probably be fixed fairly easily at the AS moment. yeah I run XP and I know what you mean, altho not a big problem cuz didn't someone somewhere point out the menu navigator is only for the beta and will be taken out for the final? It's quite a nice feature notwithstanding, particularly for beginners who (I know) find TB rather intimidating ... another issue with it is, on mine at least, it's not always visible, the winXP gui tries to hid it so it comes and goes, sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. Strangely, today it seems to have decided to hide as you say (see PNG file below - I couldn't capture it); if you hover the mouse over the titlebar at the right place it does reappear though ... AS Probably the worst appearance problem is the mixing of system and AS proportional fonts (I use Tahoma for the panes); with ClearType turned AS on* the system fonts (MS Sans Serif and similar) suddenly look way out AS of place. There are also lots of UI issues with, among other controls, AS the icons and dialog box layouts not looking 'XP-like', but I presume AS almost every Microsoft software developer is wrestling with the same AS issues at the moment ... could you give a little more info as to how you have your fonts setup? I would like to see this since mine look fine Picture: http://www.btinternet.com/~thebrixton/tbxp.png Note the difference between the folder pane (Tahoma, ClearType), the preview pane (Andale Mono, ClearType) and the list of messages (MS Sans Serif, non-ClearType); the column header, jumping from ClearType to non-ClearType, is particularly affected. The difference is very pronounced with a flat-panel monitor. (Looking at XP applications it seems that the 'system font' is now Tahoma, presumably so that ClearType is universal; MS Sans Serif appears to have been banished ...). Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re: Windows XP appearance issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:16:29 +0100, Alastair Scott [AS] contributed this to our collective wisdom: ... AS Picture: AS http://www.btinternet.com/~thebrixton/tbxp.png This link seems to be broken. Anyone else been able to load it? - -- ©Allie C Martin List Moderator (and fellow end-user) PGP public key: http://pgpkey.ac-martin.com __ MUA: The Bat! 1.54 Beta/9 [OS: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2] _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6a (Win32) Comment: Sealed for security. iEYEARECAAYFAjurlT8ACgkQV8nrYCsHF+I46ACg1OJ7i4ZY8f4/oca5mr38fUkR JEEAoOVuox710YG16XsL+FQn8s0JEads =X7jo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re[2]: Windows XP appearance issues
On 21 September 2001 at 8:30 pm Allie wrote: AS http://www.btinternet.com/~thebrixton/tbxp.png This link seems to be broken. Anyone else been able to load it? It is quite likely to be the ISP (BTopenworld) that is broken ;) Try: http://www.unmetered.org.uk/test/tbxp.png (Both files load OK from here ... but you would expect that, wouldn't you?) Alastair -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
Re: Windows XP appearance issues
On Friday, September 21, 2001, 2:30:06 PM, Allie C Martin wrote: AS http://www.btinternet.com/~thebrixton/tbxp.png This link seems to be broken. Anyone else been able to load it? try again. it worked for me. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/9 on Windows 98 version 4,90 -- _ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Beta: 1.54 beta/8
