Re: Reply template help

2002-06-15 Thread Matthias Appel

Kevin Coates [KC] wrote:

> How does one setup a reply template to accomplish the following? I've
> seen several people using brackets to display the quoting prefix in
> their templates. How to accomplish this is beyond me.

I would use the solution that Brano posted. But if you like to use a
quick template that is based on the build in algorithm for finding the
initials, you can try this:

,- [ initials ]
| [%SETPATTREGEXP="(.*)> |"%-
| %REGEXPMATCH="%QUOTESTYLE='I'%QUOTES='|'"]%-
'-

Simply use this before %quotes.


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Quotation Marks in Macros

2002-06-15 Thread Keith Russell

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

As some of you may have gathered by now, I've finally, after all these
years, decided to get serious about using macros and templates in my
email.

One problem I have always had--and still do--is making sense of all
the quotation marks in a macro.

The following comes from an example in the FAQ.

%To=""%To="""%OFROMNAME on TBUDL"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

I know that the first pair of quotes belongs to the first %To. I would
guess, also, that everything following the second %To is enclosed
in a pair of quotes. That would mean, though, that the string:

%OFROMNAME on TBUDL

is enclosed in TWO pairs of quotation marks. If so, can someone tell
me why? If not, where am I wrong in my analysis?

TIA for your help.

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Re: Quotation Marks in Macros

2002-06-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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8S> %To=""%To="""%OFROMNAME on TBUDL"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

8S> I know that the first pair of quotes belongs to the first %To. I
8S> would guess, also, that everything following the second %To is
8S> enclosed in a pair of quotes. That would mean, though, that the
8S> string:

8S> %OFROMNAME on TBUDL

8S> is enclosed in TWO pairs of quotation marks. If so, can someone
8S> tell me why? If not, where am I wrong in my analysis?

If you use only one pair of quotes then the macro will be confused as
to where the macro value ends and it will therefore not work. You
could have also done the macro this way:

%To='"%OFROMNAME on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'

Doubling on the quotes is one way to prevent confusion. Using another
unused character is another way of preventing the confusion.

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Re: Quotation Marks in Macros

2002-06-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Keith,

@15 June 2002, 12:38:00 -0600 (19:38 UK time) Keith Russell wrote in
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> %To=""%To="""%OFROMNAME on TBUDL"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"



> %OFROMNAME on TBUDL

> is enclosed in TWO pairs of quotation marks. If so, can someone tell
> me why? If not, where am I wrong in my analysis?

These are embedded literal quotes.However, that macro could have been
written: %To=""%To='"%OFROMNAME on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>',
which makes much more sense.

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Re: Quotation Marks in Macros

2002-06-15 Thread Keith Russell

Hi, Allie.

On Saturday, June 15, 2002, 12:45:02 PM, you wrote:

> If you use only one pair of quotes then the macro will be confused as
> to where the macro value ends and it will therefore not work.

Why would it be confused? I don't understand.

Here's the relevant macro from the original example:

%To="""%OFROMNAME on TBUDL"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

There are THREE sets of quotes here.

> You
> could have also done the macro this way:

> %To='"%OFROMNAME on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'

Yes, that makes much more sense to me. Notice also that there are just
two sets of quotes here: a pair of single quotes and a pair of double
quotes.

Thanks for the reply.

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Re: Quotation Marks in Macros

2002-06-15 Thread Keith Russell

Hi, Marck.

On Saturday, June 15, 2002, 12:47:02 PM, you wrote:

>> %To=""%To="""%OFROMNAME on TBUDL"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

> 

>> %OFROMNAME on TBUDL

>> is enclosed in TWO pairs of quotation marks. If so, can someone tell
>> me why? If not, where am I wrong in my analysis?

> These are embedded literal quotes.

I guess you're saying that the embedded quotes will be displayed, to
give something like:

 "Marck D Pearlstone on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

as opposed to:

  Marck D Pearlstone on TBUDL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

which would result from:

  %To=""%To=""%OFROMNAME on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

Am I right?

> However, that macro could have been
> written: %To=""%To='"%OFROMNAME on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>',
> which makes much more sense.

Yes, the same as Allie's suggestion, which is easily understandable,
but does NOT have the "embedded literal quotes", unless I've
misunderstood.

Would the following work and result in the literal quotes?

  %To=""%To="'"%OFROMNAME on TBUDL"' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

In fact, I think something like this (or the original), rather than
the one you and Allie suggested, would be needed to avoid the

Allie C Martin on [TBUDl] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

which is causing Allie problems, wouldn't it?

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Re: Quotation Marks in Macros

2002-06-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Keith,

@15 June 2002, 13:37:23 -0600 (20:37 UK time) Keith Russell wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> %To=""%To="""%OFROMNAME on TBUDL"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

>> These are embedded literal quotes.

> I guess you're saying that the embedded quotes will be displayed, to
> give something like:
>  "Marck D Pearlstone on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Yes.

> as opposed to:
>   Marck D Pearlstone on TBUDL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> which would result from:
>   %To=""%To=""%OFROMNAME on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

> Am I right?

Actually - no! This won't work at all. It results in:

%To="" ; Blank the To field
%To="" ; Blank the To field again
%OFROMNAME on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
   ; Include the literal string in the message, quotes and
 all.

>> However, that macro could have been written: %To=""%To='"%OFROMNAME
>> on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>', which makes much more sense.

> Yes, the same as Allie's suggestion, which is easily understandable,
> but does NOT have the "embedded literal quotes", unless I've
> misunderstood.

You have. Doubling up of embedded quotes is only necessary when the
string delimiter is the same quote type. When using single quotes as
the string delimiter, double quotes can be embedded without having to
double them up, but single quotes would have to be double. (Huh?
What?).

%To=""%To="""%OFROMNAME on TBUDL"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
%To=''%To='"%OFROMNAME on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'
%To=""%To="'%OFROMNAME on TBUDL' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
%To=''%To='''%OFROMNAME on TBUDL'' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'

Variant 3 and 4 are complete nonsense because you can't use single
quotes as delimiters in To: fields.

> Would the following work and result in the literal quotes?

>   %To=""%To="'"%OFROMNAME on TBUDL"' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

No, it wouldn't. It set's To: to a single quote and includes the rest
as text in the message body.

Use the one I gave (number two above).

> In fact, I think something like this (or the original), rather than
> the one you and Allie suggested, would be needed to avoid the

> Allie C Martin on [TBUDl] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> which is causing Allie problems, wouldn't it?

Yes.

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Re: BatPost

2002-06-15 Thread Tim Musson

Hey Eddie,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60k) Personal
to write the following on Saturday, June 15, 2002 at 2:49:42 AM.

EC> Dear Tim,

EC>  --->>> Tim Musson / Freitag 14.06.2002, 22:04:10
EC> BatPost


>> I have heard of Hamster, and I don't know if they both server the
>> same function. I have not really looked at Hamster, and can't read
>> the docs for BatPost.

EC> What language is it? If it is in German or French I could look into
EC> it.

I don't know, but I don't think it is German or French. You could grab
it.  The zip dl is only 1,475,951 bytes, or if you like, I can zip the
.rtf file and send it to you directly.

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Re: Quotation Marks in Macros

2002-06-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
8o4q-Skup [8S] wrote:

8S> Why would it be confused? I don't understand.

8S> Here's the relevant macro from the original example:

8S> %To="""%OFROMNAME on TBUDL"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

8S> There are THREE sets of quotes here.

As long as there's a matching pair of characters then it will work.

" and "
"" and ""
' and '
'" and '"
""" and """
: and :
# and #
#! and #!

Get it? :-)

The quotations are doubled up in your first example, that's all. It's
more tedious to keep track of, so it's better to just choose a
different character to make the distinction rather than use multiple
instances of the same character to make a contrast.

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Re: Quotation Marks in Macros

2002-06-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Allie,

@15 June 2002, 16:28:47 -0500 (22:28 UK time) Allie C Martin wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

8S>> %To="""%OFROMNAME on TBUDL"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

8S>> There are THREE sets of quotes here.

> As long as there's a matching pair of characters then it will work.



> The quotations are doubled up in your first example, that's all.

I so hate to contradict you Allie, but fear I must. The doubled up
quotes in the first example are literal single double quotes (sorry
) within a double quote encased string and not sub-delimiters.

I'm not actually certain that they still work as they did in the new
version. I guess they must otherwise a whole bunch of legacy QTs are
going to fall over. Anyway, it's a long time since I used that syntax
myself.

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Re: Quotation Marks in Macros

2002-06-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Marck D Pearlstone [MDP] wrote:

MDP> I so hate to contradict you Allie, but fear I must. The doubled
MDP> up quotes in the first example are literal single double quotes
MDP> (sorry ) within a double quote encased string and not
MDP> sub-delimiters.

LOL!! It's OK. I saw it coming while reading your messages to Keith. I
realised that I had missed out that particular point.

My bad. :-)

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Re: Quotation Marks in Macros

2002-06-15 Thread Keith Russell

Hi, Marck.

On Saturday, June 15, 2002, 1:59:07 PM, you wrote:

>> as opposed to:
>>   Marck D Pearlstone on TBUDL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> which would result from:
>>   %To=""%To=""%OFROMNAME on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

>> Am I right?

> Actually - no! This won't work at all. It results in:

> %To="" ; Blank the To field
> %To="" ; Blank the To field again
> %OFROMNAME on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
>; Include the literal string in the message, quotes and
>  all.

I guess the problem with doubling delimiters like this is that it
makes it impossible for the parser to know where the closing delimiter
is (so it has to take the next one). I'm used to programming languages
that won't let you put double quotes inside double quotes, or single
quotes inside single quotes

>>> However, that macro could have been written: %To=""%To='"%OFROMNAME
>>> on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>', which makes much more sense.

>> Yes, the same as Allie's suggestion, which is easily understandable,
>> but does NOT have the "embedded literal quotes", unless I've
>> misunderstood.

> You have. Doubling up of embedded quotes is only necessary when the
> string delimiter is the same quote type. When using single quotes as
> the string delimiter, double quotes can be embedded without having to
> double them up, but single quotes would have to be double. (Huh?
> What?).

Huh? is right! On second (careful) reading, I think I got it.

In other words:

%To='''%OFFROMNAME on TBUDL'' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'

Right?

Now...forgetting about the first %To=""...you and Allie suggested:

%To='"%OFFROMNAME on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'
|||   |
|_|

Aha! It looks like we DO have the now-famous "embedded literal
quotes"!

> %To=""%To="""%OFROMNAME on TBUDL"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
> %To=''%To='"%OFROMNAME on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'
> %To=""%To="'%OFROMNAME on TBUDL' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
> %To=''%To='''%OFROMNAME on TBUDL'' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'

> Variant 3 and 4 are complete nonsense because you can't use single
> quotes as delimiters in To: fields.

>> Would the following work and result in the literal quotes?

>>   %To=""%To="'"%OFROMNAME on TBUDL"' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"

> No, it wouldn't. It set's To: to a single quote and includes the rest
> as text in the message body.

> Use the one I gave (number two above).

NOTE the following:

>> In fact, I think something like this (or the original), rather than
>> the one you and Allie suggested, would be needed to avoid the

>> Allie C Martin on [TBUDL] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> which is causing Allie problems, wouldn't it?

> Yes.

If I understood this time (no guarantees!), I think I was actually
wrong (and you were wrong to agree 8-)). I think your suggestion WOULD
give:

 "Allie C Martin on [TBUDL]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

and avoid Allie's problem.

So, the gist of all this, I think, is in two of your statements:

1. Doubling up of embedded quotes is only necessary when the
   string delimiter is the same quote type. When using single quotes as
   the string delimiter, double quotes can be embedded without having to
   double them up, but single quotes would have to be double.

2. You can't use single quotes as delimiters in To: fields.

Are these two points explained anywhere in Help or the FAQ? It seems
that they're critical to a good understanding of macros, and if I do
understand the way they work now (I think I do), the whole thing
now makes complete sense. This was the missing link!

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Re: Quotation Marks in Macros

2002-06-15 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Keith,

@15 June 2002, 16:46:31 -0600 (23:46 UK time) Keith Russell wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Please forgive the major snippage, but I read it all and only need to
address the summary.

> So, the gist of all this, I think, is in two of your statements:

> 1. Doubling up of embedded quotes is only necessary when the
>string delimiter is the same quote type. When using single quotes as
>the string delimiter, double quotes can be embedded without having to
>double them up, but single quotes would have to be double.

> 2. You can't use single quotes as delimiters in To: fields.

Yes!!!

> Are these two points explained anywhere in Help or the FAQ? It seems
> that they're critical to a good understanding of macros, and if I do
> understand the way they work now (I think I do), the whole thing
> now makes complete sense. This was the missing link!

,-=[ From the TB Help "Template Macros" topic header ]
  A special note about using macro parameters:

  Macro parameters can be enclosed either in double quotes or
  apostrophes. To use a double quote or apostrophe within a macro
  parameter when the enclosing quote character is the same, use a pair
  of the required character instead of a single one. E.g.: in
  %MACRO='my "double quoted" text' the macro parameter is my "double
  quoted" text ; it is also possible to use this construct instead:
  %MACRO="my ""double quoted"" text" - note the doubled double quotes
  inside the macro parameter.
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Re: Quotation Marks in Macros

2002-06-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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8o4q-Skup [8S] wrote:

8S> So, the gist of all this, I think, is in two of your statements:

8S> 1. Doubling up of embedded quotes is only necessary when the
8S>string delimiter is the same quote type. When using single quotes as
8S>the string delimiter, double quotes can be embedded without having to
8S>double them up, but single quotes would have to be double.

Yes.

8S> 2. You can't use single quotes as delimiters in To: fields.

Yes.

Remember that another reason to be doubling up is what I was alluding
to earlier, i.e., when recursively using macros with string values.

In the example, you gave above, the aim is to literally enclose part
of the %To macros' string value within quotations.

Consider also, a macro as this:

%subject="%Qinclude=""subjstrip"""

otherwise written:

%subject='%Qinclude="subjstrip"'

8S> Are these two points explained anywhere in Help or the FAQ?

Yes.

Contents/Message Templates/The Complete List of Template Macros.

The paragraph below the linked template macro categories explains this
issue.

8S> It seems that they're critical to a good understanding of macros,
8S> and if I do understand the way they work now (I think I do), the
8S> whole thing now makes complete sense. This was the missing link!

Once you pass that hurdle, a lot of possibilities appear. Learning a
little on regular expressions creates even more possibilities.;-)

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Re: BatPost

2002-06-15 Thread Eddie Castelli

Dear Tim, 

 --->>> Tim Musson / Samstag 15.06.2002, 22:17:04
BatPost


> I don't know, but I don't think it is German or French. You could
> grab it. The zip dl is only 1,475,951 bytes, or if you like, I can
> zip the .rtf file and send it to you directly.

I'm going to do it this afternoon.


-- 
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Eddie


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Re: Quotation Marks in Macros

2002-06-15 Thread Keith Russell

Hi, Allie.

On Saturday, June 15, 2002, 3:28:47 PM, you wrote:

> As long as there's a matching pair of characters then it will work.

> " and "
> "" and ""
> ' and '
> '" and '"
> """ and """
> : and :
> # and #

Are you saying that ':' and '#' can actually be used as delimiters,
in place of quotation marks?

> #! and #!

Is this correct? Or do you mean #! and !#?

Thanks for your help.

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Re: Quotation Marks in Macros

2002-06-15 Thread Keith Russell

Hi, Marck.

On Saturday, June 15, 2002, 5:00:05 PM, you wrote:

> ,-=[ From the TB Help "Template Macros" topic header ]
>   A special note about using macro parameters:

>   Macro parameters can be enclosed either in double quotes or
>   apostrophes. To use a double quote or apostrophe within a macro
>   parameter when the enclosing quote character is the same, use a pair
>   of the required character instead of a single one. E.g.: in
>   %MACRO='my "double quoted" text' the macro parameter is my "double
>   quoted" text ; it is also possible to use this construct instead:
>   %MACRO="my ""double quoted"" text" - note the doubled double quotes
>   inside the macro parameter.
> `

Thanks for pointing this out to me. Actually, it makes sense to me
now, but I don't think it would have before. Unfortunately, this topic
is one that is VERY difficult to write about and make it
understandable.


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Re: Quotation Marks in Macros

2002-06-15 Thread Keith Russell

Hi, Allie.

On Saturday, June 15, 2002, 5:02:41 PM, you wrote:

> Once you pass that hurdle, a lot of possibilities appear. Learning a
> little on regular expressions creates even more possibilities.;-)

I actually do okay with regular expressions. It takes some work, but
everything has made sense to me eventually. Nothing has confused me
like those triple quotation marks!

Thanks again.


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