Re: I'm fed up with ...
Hello George, Sunday, May 30, 2004, 10:27:38 PM, you wrote: GK I'm fed up with ... rant I don't make a habit if complaining about something in its own forum, it tends to result in waves of resentment, but this particular Monday I can't help it! One of the main attractions of TB! was (and still is to a large extent) that it made e-mail easier for me to manage than any other client. I felt that I had the upper hand in a world of pretty html, SPAM and OE. I was often called upon to resolve other peoples problems with some cute TB! feature. Increasingly I'm frustrated by the inclusion of new features that *only* work with other TB! clients. When was the last time that someone on this list received an e-mail from another TB! user (outside of this list)? For the record it's *never* over here - I keep an eye out for them. Does anyone share my frustration of not being able to unreservedly recommend TB! to others? I guess that this was triggered by me helping to install Bloomba for a friend yesterday. Thousands of e-mails, addresses and calendar entries imported from OL without hitch, a coherent help and menu system and truly effective indexing/search/display system. Oh, and a contemporary skin. On the down side, couldn't for the life of me find a user forum, but then didn't come across anything that made me want to use it. /rant Thank you for your patience, now back to work... -- Nick Using TheBat!: v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I'm fed up with ...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ~~( __ _o Was Mon, 23 Aug 2004, at 09:27:22 +0100, @ @ when Nick Dutton wrote: Does anyone share my frustration of not being able to unreservedly recommend TB! to others? Very fine rant; I like to hear them, since it most often means that someone is really concerned about something and need a real solution; for the difference of a fancy, and decent, complaining. Speaking cosmogonically, the fire must be shown, at least for the sake of security, of the worlds, since a contrary (a decent, an over-polite) move would cause burns around the corner, or from the backs, which is not nice, is a bit mean, even, and is what we do not yearn for, I would dare to say. In this sensitive and delicate moment. As for recommendation: I see TB as an (eternally) unfinished piece; some parts are completed and final, as a body/head of a medusa, some other ones are growing, more or less under control, but are prone sometimes to deny themselves, after a while, decomposing[1] and returning in the primary mass for starting anew, and some of them are just vagaries where the superfluity of the creative impulses are looking for an outlet and a temporary burst (as is the case with the smiley avalanche) for the sake of a pure horsing/monkeying around, which is after all all good, and even much better than some destructive ways of releasing, as we can see after, and sometimes even during, some football match. So, TB then obviously has several ontological levels, of which I listed just main ones, as *I* see the Thing. And, since diverse people are attracted by diverse (levels of) things, one could recommend TB from diverse reasons. Hence, one has to know the victim well enough, in order to apply a properly prepared recommendation. Example: if you'd recommend to a techy type of a person TB accenting the bursting smiley function, s/he would get an impression you are a nut. But vice versa as well: for an DoubtLooker type, recommending medusa's head/body (with all those filtering and other capabilities) would bring you to the same effect. Therefore, and hence, you, and we all, *never* could _unreservedly_ recommend *anything* to *anybody*. Even not for a $10.000. (-: (Which is not some sum, after all, btw.) Simply because we always have to recommend whatever only and exclusively *reservedly*, with a grain of Noble Reserve, since all things are mutually interconnected and they influence one another in a definitely magic and unseen way, as the Chief in Seattle - Wash. have said wisely once. Or even more times. Which is, further, the reason why we are not able to be aware of the just each effect we cause by what we do. Example: you could recommend TB to someone following your best intentions, but the guy/girl could make a mess, by not being able to use it in a acceptable way. There. So, you are always at a certain risk, which you have to accept, since an infinite avoidance of risk is actually an infinite avoidance of life. All of that is because the life is a pure magic, that is: no risk no life. In other words, you have to accept the fact that, if you live at full, and if you love it, you have to be prepared as well for all sorts of reactions your being and your deeds could produce in your environment, including the target you recommend TB to. I hope the mentioned frustration is resolved now, since I have shown the method of how I deal(t) with it. OK, this text is enough crazy -- but I hope helpful enough too! -- so I could finish there, and sink in the Silence, which is a Blessing. * [1] Which is the reason why composers never die; they just de-compose, and then re-compose again (it confuses many) appearing in a bit different apparition. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBKeyN9q62QPd3XuIRAsbmAJ9xOOTLYt5sde63kmJTbSEIH8PycwCeKLB/ UpEuXlz3krXK+5wCBknYy1Y= =/2wh -END PGP SIGNATURE- http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I'm fed up with ...
George Kajaia @ 2004-May-30 5:27:38 PM I'm fed up with ... mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at Mozilla Thunderbird! It has full unicode support it has practically everithing Thunderbird has a leg up in the HTML/Unicode department. The Mozilla team DID write a HTML rendering engine FIRST. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Never hit a man with glasses. Hit him with a baseball bat. http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I'm fed up with ...
Dierk Haasis @ 2004-Aug-23 1:17:51 PM I'm fed up with ... mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Features that only work between TB users, well, only work between them. Outlook's TNEF (those winmail.dat attachments), for example, is a proprietary format that other clients cannot understand*. * Some exceptions exist. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notice in a dry cleaner's window: ANYONE LEAVING THEIR GARMENTS HERE FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS WILL BE DISPOSED OF http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I'm fed up with ...
Hello Chris! On Monday, August 23, 2004 at 7:34:18 PM you wrote: Outlook's TNEF (those winmail.dat attachments), for example, is a proprietary format that other clients cannot understand*. Yip, QED. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 2.13 Lucky Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request If a creature, computational or biological, makes eye contact with a person, tracks her gaze, and gestures with interest toward her, that person will experience the creature as sentient, even capable of understanding her inner state. (Sherry Turkle) http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I'm fed up with ...
And there are more things... The GUI is somehow clumsy. The popups and menus are not well organiced (harmless functions as neighbours of dangerous funktions - identical looking menu entrys trigger different events, like the pgp entries). It is possible to define shortcuts, but not for all events (it is still not possible to cut/copy/paste into the subject/address/CC/BCC... line of the editor windows). The same functions can have different shortcuts over different windows (in a well designed GUI it is important, to have a single shortcut allways to trigger the same function!). We have this rather interesting to use MicroEd editor or the totally dumb Windows editor controll. Typing text is one of the essentials of an email software. Why isn't there a text only editor that could be customiced - lets say like TextPad? The thread handling... Ok, only the first column of the message list can show the threading crosses. To save space, the first line has to be the subject. But that removes every possiblitity to easily distinguish between an unread mail and and a tread, that contains unread mail. Why is there no option, to select a text style for mails, that have unread submails? When changing the columsettings (view mode) in the message list by dragging arround some of the columns, the results are applied the current view mode. The settings should only be added to the current view mode, if the user commands tze application to do so. As long as he is not doing this, they have to remain as some kind of temporal setting. to be continiued ... Most of these should be simple to correct. But they would have a huge impact on the usebility. I don't understand, why the developers of The Bat so easliy turn away new customers. -- With best regards Lars Sölter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! Version 2.13 Lucky Beta/5 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: .msi files?
Hello Sinistu, Wednesday, August 18, 2004, 1:37:51 AM, you wrote: Z As a last resort place it in the root C:\ and manually copy it to Z the TheBAT! directory. The installer won't let me do that. Exactly! This has always been the problem with the international packet :-( -- Best regards, Brittmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I'm fed up with ...
Hello Lars! On Monday, August 23, 2004 at 11:21:51 PM you wrote: Most of these should be simple to correct. How do you know? But they would have a huge impact on the usebility. I don't understand, why the developers of The Bat so easliy turn away new customers. Because they try to please every...one complaining and asking to include his specific pet peeve? Currently two things urgently need to be done: IMAP and the new filtering system. Everything else, to me, seems third priority. Then, some of your fed ups are simply personal preferences (I, for one, have no trouble with MicroEd, never had after Marck years ago told me why the cursor behaves differently to older Word versions). BTW, isn't this TBTECH? Shouldn't fed up complaints haunt TBUDL? -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 2.13 Lucky Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Talk slowly, but think quickly. http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
