Re: what's on the TB wishlist?
Saturday, December 04, 1999, 9:13:20 PM, Jason wrote: One thing I'd specifically like to know is, will TB ever support any kind of simple scripting? It already does. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: unsubscribe
Hi there! On 5 Dec 99, at 1:03, Ali Martin wrote about "Re: unsubscribe": This one I have to comment, apparently;-) Alexander V. Kiselev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't think anybody should leave TB for Pegasus (neither for anything else, since I personally love Pegasus, too:-))). more perplexed Again, but why would you say that? Aren't *you* using Pegasus and prefer it to TB!? I'm really using Pegasus (and suffering from its almost nonexistant 8-bit support), but if I preferred it to TB, I'd probably unsubscribe from this mailing list, don't you think so? I *need* decent support for complicated MIME structures like MIME digests (I have heaps of these in my Pegasus mailbox), and I would *love* to be able to transfer my folder system together with filtering model to TB. These two are the main reasons preventing my own switching from Pegasus to TB. Okay, and here's my own listing of Pegasus major bugs for those who're maybe considering switching to Pegasus (to make them reconsider, probably). This list is the main reason for me not to recommend switching from TB to Pegasus, _especially_ for multilingual users: -The option "when the message is deleted, open the previous message in the reader" causes triple GPF _always_; -The text to the right of the reader right boundary cannot be scrolled to (at all); - Vertical scrollbars don't work as expected (everywhere; David Harris says it's a Windows bug which I seriously doubt); - Attaching another mailbox to list, switching to that mailbox's user, then returning back results in your OWN mailbox attached twice, and so on ad infinitum; - The signatures in anything else then ISO-8859-1 cannot be edited at all (they're then displayed in the wrong font); the same applies to heaps of other places; - The Unicode font scripts aren't understood: Pegasus _always_ uses Western; hence to use other fonts you need to manually add the corresponding definitions to Font Substitutes; but even this fails when Pegasus is displaying HTML or RichText messages --- regardless the font you've set up, these will be _always_ displayed in Western, thus making Russian ones unreadable at all; - Identity attached to a folder doesn't work as expected: it doesn't switch the "Custom heading line" to the attached identitys one; - Using Pegasus with HP-made printer drivers installed as "default printer" is a pain; in a while causes system hang; - Printing 8-bit-containing messages with the option "Auto-wrap at right margin" doesn't work at all; - USB printers can't be used at all; - Printer spooler names with blanks aren't permitted; - PGP encryption/signing strips out the signature provided that either the message body or the signature contains 8-bit; - You'll never be able to re-code the erratically encoded messages without leaving Pegasus: it simply hasn't View-- Encoding functionality:-(; - Something more that I don't remember:-) Nevertheless, I don't think Ethan gonna love Pegasus: it isn't intuitive at all, and a person that apparently can't even click on the "unsub" link attached to every message on this list is likely to get any kind of problem with the Flying Horse:-)) No personal offence, please! Who knows what his needs are anyway? Good luck to him. :) He'll end up using OutGlitch, i believe:-) -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: My best view from a Window was through OS/2. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: unsubscribe
Hello Alexander all fellow TBUDL members, Sunday, December 05, 1999, Alexander wrote in response to Ali's comments regarding Alex's stated preferences on TUBDL for certain function (primarily related to filtering), which he finds more useful in Pegasus than in TB!: Particularly during the 30 day evaluation period, when it's reasonable to assume that many persons are evaluating more than one email client (as I certainly did), it's equally reasonable to assume that many persons will for one reason or another (related as much to their own backgrounds, perceptions and abilities as to anything else), choose to remain with a one that isn't TB! During the long interchange that ensued regarding "Activating only certain filters", it was evident to me that Alexander identifies with TB and by contributing in such a clear and detailed way (as Ali himself has so often done) to to the discussion on filtering, was supporting both the ability of current registered users and those evaluating TB to understand and get the best out of TB's actual filtering mechanisms, but also to understand other possible (and possibly preferable) filtering options that could certainly become implemented on future versions of TB. To that end, two of the responses that I made to Alex at the time were bcc'd to TB's principle programmer, believing as I still do that the criticisms were well founded and these issues are addressable and hopefully will be in v. 2. As for myself, I have downloaded no alternative email clients for trial since registering TB and am more than willing to work within TB's current limitations regarding filtering, which I have *not* hardly used in the past with other email clients, preferring to see it all in one place on arrival and manually separate it from there, since while a filter may be effective regarding (say) a given subject or source, it can not be so effective in terms of the weight, importance or need for follow up given to a particular message by me at the moment. I have begun to use TBs filtering mechanisms and *do* feel that a real need exists to be able to invoke filters manually *on an individual basis* through what could be termed a filter manager, where all filters created are available for selection. (And I would like to see a similar "manager" available for selectively activating the ticker). This goes beyond the folder level filtering used by Pegasus that Alex described. Being able to color code messages (or flags) via a filter (a la Pegasus) and/or manually (as in the flags of many others) is another a useful option I for one would like to see implemented soon in TB, along with the ability to edit received messages (which sometimes arrive with absent or misleading subjects, for instance). As for Pegasus, I know people that do use it heavily but my own experience has not been positive, due to it's erratic behavior on my old IBM Value Point and it's "less than intuitive" (as Alex described it) user interface. For that reason, it's not even installed at the moment. While TB drives me up a tree momentarily now and then due to inadvertent keystrokes activating unwanted functions, I am very much at home with it's advanced composition features, good stability and ability to download and send from multiple accounts simultaneously. In the best of all *possible* worlds, an improved TB is certainly good enough for me, and that goes for the support received from RITLabs and of course TBUDL itself. (I say improved because some of this was discussed with RITLabs prior to registering). Although I've been told of other supposedly good email email clients, I continue to dedicate time to assimilating TB's current features and commands, which increases my appreciation of it and lessens my interest in the temptations posed by supposedly greener grass on another side of the fence. Douglas (Any of the above is available for further diffusion if desired). AVK Hi there! AVK On 5 Dec 99, at 1:03, Ali Martin wrote AVK about "Re: unsubscribe": AVK This one I have to comment, apparently;-) Alexander V. Kiselev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't think anybody should leave TB for Pegasus (neither for anything else, since I personally love Pegasus, too:-))). more perplexed Again, but why would you say that? Aren't *you* using Pegasus and prefer it to TB!? AVK I'm really using Pegasus (and suffering from its almost AVK nonexistant 8-bit support), but if I preferred it to TB, I'd AVK probably unsubscribe from this mailing list, don't you think so? AVK I *need* decent support for complicated MIME structures like AVK MIME digests (I have heaps of these in my Pegasus mailbox), AVK and I would *love* to be able to transfer my folder system AVK together with filtering model to TB. These two are the main AVK reasons preventing my own switching from Pegasus to TB. AVK Okay, and here's my own listing of Pegasus major bugs for AVK those who're maybe
Auto-substitution of template
Hello Bats!, I couldn't think of a better way to word the subject but here's what happens: Mystery #1: With a folder highlighted, click on the CREATE A NEW MWSSAGE icon. The editor starts and you will be presented with the template you created for *that* folder (FOLDERPROPERTIESTEMPLATE). The cursor will be at the beginning of the TO field. TAB to CC, BCC, SUBJECT and once more to the main body of the as yet un-written message. It is at this point that TB! replaces the _folder_ template text with the _address book_ template text. I discovered this only when I inserted the %TO="" macro at the bottom of the folder template. Eliminate that macro from the template and the problem disappears. Is this a bug? Or more probably, what am I doing wrong? Mystery #2: Again with a folder highlighted, click on the DOWN ARROW next to the CREATE A NEW MESSAGE icon to bring up your *favorites*. Click on any favorite other than that which belongs to the currently highlighted folder. The template which appears is the one which exists for the currently highlighted folder, not the *favorite* folder. Why? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alabama, USA Message created 11:10:58 AM (GMT-6) on Sunday, December 05, 1999 = Using The Bat! ver. 1.36 (reg) under Windows 95 ver.4.0 build 1212 Service Pack B = -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Auto-substitution of template
Jack LaRosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mystery #1: With a folder highlighted, click on the CREATE A NEW MWSSAGE icon. The editor starts and you will be presented with the template you created for *that* folder (FOLDERPROPERTIESTEMPLATE). The cursor will be at the beginning of the TO field. Yes. TAB to CC, BCC, SUBJECT and once more to the main body of the as yet un-written message. It is at this point that TB! replaces the _folder_ template text with the _address book_ template text. I assume that you've created a new message template for that recipient through an address book entries properties and selecting the option to use the address book template specifically for new messages to the recipient. If so, then yes, what you described is what will happen. I discovered this only when I inserted the %TO="" macro at the bottom of the folder template. Eliminate that macro from the template and the problem disappears. Using the macro is like selecting the address through the address book, hence, you'll invoke the recipient specific new message template. Is this a bug? Or more probably, what am I doing wrong? IMHO, it's inconsistent. The To: macro should do things as you describe below. Mystery #2: Again with a folder highlighted, click on the DOWN ARROW next to the CREATE A NEW MESSAGE icon to bring up your *favorites*. Click on any favorite other than that which belongs to the currently highlighted folder. The template which appears is the one which exists for the currently highlighted folder, not the *favorite* folder. Why? Now this is no mystery.:) This will occur if you have setup in your address book, a specific new message template for the recipient address that you chose. What should really happen in your first 'mystery' scenario is that the address book template should be displayed from the very start as it is in the second 'mystery' scenario. :) IMHO, each folder should have a toggle switch to suppress address book specific templates. This should prevent your problem. Otherwise simply go into the addressee's address book entry properties and deselect the 'use a specific template for new messages' option, whenever you wish to use the folder templates and not the address book templates. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/6 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Using yesterday's technology to solve today's problems, tomorrow ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Shortcut keys wishlist
Hi folks, I apologise but I have searched through the archive and can't find the information I'm looking for. I'm currently using Forte Agent for my email, which gives me everything I need (and more) but is crippled because it cannot (and never will) support multiple accounts. The Bat! seems to me to be the best alternative for the 'power user' , but there are a few things I would wish for before I could feel comfortable switching The actions I would use most often are (i.e. 95% of the time) - Send and receive - Jump to first unread - Skip to next unread - Mark all in current folder read and skip to next unread - Keep/Park messages Agent allows me to do most of those actions using single key strokes - e.g. N next unread, S mark all read (and jumps to next unread), K for keep/park. The bat doesn't seem to have that simplicity - I would love to be able to hit one key to park a message, and jump to the next unread marking all in present folder read. The right click and alt-something combinations are doubling the amount of time it takes to process mail. Also, is there any way to turn off: 1. the addition of the reply number to replied messages (e.g. Re [3]) as it messes up threading in other mailers 2. The RM for replies and instead default to the more accepted (though I can obviously see the reasoning behind the current system, it does make replies harder to read on other programs) Thanks! Roy --[EMAIL PROTECTED]---[Dublin,Ireland]-- http://www.linksheaven.com Formula 1 Links Heaven! http://www.gp3.org - The Grand Prix 3 site! PGP key - webpage keyserver 0x16779F99 - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Shortcut keys wishlist
Roy Madden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I apologise but I have searched through the archive and can't find the information I'm looking for. I'm currently using Forte Agent for my email, which gives me everything I need (and more) but is crippled because it cannot (and never will) support multiple accounts. The Bat! seems to me to be the best alternative for the 'power user' , but there are a few things I would wish for before I could feel comfortable switching I'm a previous user of Forte Agent for e-mail management so I can see with a lot that you have to say. The Bat! is quite different, but is extremely effective, and quite ahead of Agent with respect to useful features for nicely managing mail in an efficient manner. A lot of what I used to do manually in Agent is automated in TB! mainly through the use of templates, superior filtering and folder specific settings support. You just set and forget. The actions I would use most often are (i.e. 95% of the time) - Send and receive You can make this a fixed setting through Account | Properties | Transport | 'Combined delivery (Send and Receive)'. or Clicking the arrow beside the 'Get New Mail' toolbar button and selecting the desired option. - Jump to first unread Ctrl+] - Skip to next unread Ctrl+] - Mark all in current folder read and skip to next unread Ctrl+M will mark all messages in the folder read but will not move you to the next unread message in another folder. TB! does not support navigating automatically across folders. - Keep/Park messages Ctrl+J Agent allows me to do most of those actions using single key strokes - e.g. N next unread, S mark all read (and jumps to next unread), K for keep/park. The bat doesn't seem to have that simplicity - I would love to be able to hit one key to park a message, and jump to the next unread marking all in present folder read. The right click and alt-something combinations are doubling the amount of time it takes to process mail. I know what you mean. :) However, within the next month or so the first beta's of version 2 of TB will be released and it will support configurable keyboard shortcuts. Also, is there any way to turn off: 1. the addition of the reply number to replied messages (e.g. Re [3]) as it messes up threading in other mailers Add the macro %SINGLERE to your reply templates. Place it at the bottom of the template. Many could, however, do with a global toggle switch for this. -- Ali Martin | Using The Bat! v1.38 Beta/6 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ "You are not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on" ] ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2] --- I don't like this
TB puts numbers after the "Re" prefix as we know. I don't like this because some mail programs don't understand this feature. When somebody with such a program writes a reply, it has "Re: Re[2]..." in the subject line... :-( Is it possible to change this option? TIA Werner Hintze -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Re[2] --- I don't like this
Morning Werner Hintze, TB puts numbers after the "Re" prefix as we know. I don't like this because some mail programs don't understand this feature. When somebody with such a program writes a reply, it has "Re: Re[2]..." in the subject line... :-( But if you reply back, TB is smart enough to interpret it as Re[3]: :-) Is it possible to change this option? Yes. Simply add %singlere macro to reply templates. -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.36 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Dragging Messages to Folders
On Saturday, December 04, 1999, Ali Martin wrote: ... At least, this is what occurs in Windows NT. :-/ Is method 1) above specifically for single file drag-copying while 2) is for multiple? I'm used to a single method for both. I use the same method for single and multiple message copying. Works as expected on my Win95 machine. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.36 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: what's on the TB wishlist?
On Sunday, December 05, 1999, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: I'm curious, what are the Bat developers hoping to add to TB in future versions? AFAIK, for version 2 the following things are planned (the first betas are expected somewhere around New Year): Really? Public betas of 2? That would be nice. I thought it would be several months yet. - fully configurable keyboard shortcuts and bitmaps (the latter is already available in the latest betas) - plugin development support - rewamped GUI with larger toolbar buttons Larger?! They're already too large for me. The buttons are too large, but the icons are small in relation to the size of the buttons. - morethanthat, there was an idea to add Rerl (at least, partially) to TB, maybe as a plugin, but I don't know will this be done or not. Anyhow, more scripting support is gonna be added this way or another. - enhanced filtering I don't _know_ anything, but among things mentioned on the list as being likely to be in or improved in version 2 are: -IMAP -shareable address books, separate address books for users, and, in general, address book improvements -editor support for RTF, proportional fonts, etc. -flagging/color-coding of messages Do you know that any of these things will not be addressed in version 2? One thing not discussed much, but that I would put near the top of my list for version 2 is improvements to the Mail Dispatcher. Oh ... and let's not forget, a new Help file. ;) -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.36 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Shortcut keys wishlist
On Sunday, December 05, 1999, Ali Martin wrote: ... Add the macro %SINGLERE to your reply templates. Place it at the bottom of the template. Many could, however, do with a global toggle switch for this. I'm hoping they change the default to single. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.36 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Hello, The Bat Users! I just subscribed to this list under a new account, but I'm welcomed to the TBBeta-List, very funny. Best wishes mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! 1.38 Beta/6 Windows 95 4.0 Build 1212 C -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Hello Bernhard Kaiser, On Monday, December 06, 1999, 13:45:12 (GMT +07:00) you told us: BK Hello, The Bat Users! BK I just subscribed to this list under a new account, but I'm welcomed BK to the TBBeta-List, very funny. Uh oh... I put wrong welcome message. Thanks for the info, already fixed. -- - syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 I am using The Bat! 1.38 Beta/6 (reg) under Windows NT Workstation 4.0 built 1381, Service Pack 6 Created : Monday, December 06, 1999, 14:42:26 (GMT + 07:00) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
