Half visible editor

[Krister Ekstrom]

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Hi Bat! people!

When i'm making a template using the template editor, it seems that
only a part of the editor is visible, that is lines get cut off so i
can't see what i'm writing. Is there any way to sort of resize the
template editor? I've tried maximizing the editor, but that doesn't
seem to work.


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Re: Half visible editor

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Wednesday, October 11, 2000, Krister Ekstrom wrote to tbuDL about
Half visible editor:

KE> When i'm making a template using the template editor, it seems that
KE> only a part of the editor is visible, that is lines get cut off so i
KE> can't see what i'm writing. Is there any way to sort of resize the
KE> template editor? I've tried maximizing the editor, but that doesn't
KE> seem to work.
There  is no way to maximize text edit control while editing template.
There  is workaround for that in using cut&paste techniques.

When  I  want  a  new template I usually create new message in message
editor  and  then  cut&paste it into template entry field, adding some
macros.

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Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Nick,

On 11 October 2000 at 17:50:57 GMT -0700 (which was 01:50 where I
live) Nick Andriash wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Encrypting Messages with PGP":

>> That's not what I see. I get a selection dialog showing the two
>> keys which TB/PGP is intending to use (the recipient's and my
>> default key) in a small lower panel and allowing me to select any
>> others from my keyring in a larger listbox above.

NA> Hmmm... as far as I can recollect, I never saw that dialogue box,
NA> and now a few Members of PGP-Basics are saying the same thing. I
NA> wonder... did you cache your passphrase? Perhaps *not* caching the
NA> passphrase for encrypting forced the dialogue box? 

I do cache my passphrase - for 24 hours (less 1 second). So it's not
that. I'm using PGP 6.5.8 with the 6.5 TB DLL. Let's see; what options
do I have set under PGP? General - all on with both caching settings
at ~24 hour, 8 wiping passes. Files - where they are. Email - nothing
checked. Hotkeys - none. Servers - bizarre (I have to point all of
them at my local proxy server on consecutive ports and *it* maps them
to the appropriate servers), synchronisation upon Encrypting and
Verification only. CA - mostly empty with type set to Net Tools PKI
Server. Advanced - CAST, all three algorithms allowed; Trust Model,
only "Warn when encrypting to keys with an ADK" enabled; Export format
- - complete.

That's it - and I always get (and always have got) the key selection
box when encrypting messages. This comes up before the pass-phrase
entry window IIRC.

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Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Nick,

On 11 October 2000 at 20:23:26 GMT -0700 (which was 04:23 where I
live) Nick Andriash wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Encrypting Messages with PGP":

>> IOW's the box seems to pop up only when there is some uncertainty
>> as to which key to use.

This makes sense, because I have a default key *and* an RSA key which
I don't use (plus a disabled DH/DSS key which was once in use).

NA> Thanks for the confirmation Allie. The mere fact that the dialogue
NA> box doesn't appear under all conditions, is deserving of a report
NA> to RitLABS which I have just sent off. Not sure if others have
NA> sent one in, but I didn't think it would do any harm to send mine
NA> in.

I don't think it's a bug - I think it is how it is supposed to work.

NA> Being able to choose multiple recipients is a feature of PGP's
NA> encryption process, so not having that choice when using TB! is a
NA> clear indication that the problem rests with the plug-in.

If you have one key and only one key for each address specified, what
is the purpose in offering a further choice of encryption keys? Why
would you want it to do that if the message has one recipient with a
single known key for that target address and one sender with a single
know key for that sender's address? Under what circumstances would
that cause a problem?

You can force the issue by generating a secondary key for your own
address and not publishing it. That will ensure that the dialog box
always appears (as it does here). *I* wish it wouldn't sometimes !

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Re: Half visible editor

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Krister,

On 11 October 2000 at 09:13:05 GMT +0200 (which was 08:13 where I
live) Krister Ekstrom wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Half visible editor":

KE> When i'm making a template using the template editor, it seems
KE> that only a part of the editor is visible, that is lines get cut
KE> off so i can't see what i'm writing. Is there any way to sort of
KE> resize the template editor? I've tried maximizing the editor, but
KE> that doesn't seem to work.

It doesn't indeed. The window cannot be resized. Suggestion - why not
open it and keep it handy for template macro lookups but use notepad
to create and edit the actual template text which you can then cut and
paste back when finished.

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Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP

[Krister Ekstrom]

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Hi!

on Wednesday, October 11, 2000 02:21:04, our bat friend Marck D. Pearlstone typed:


NA>> Can someone please verify that for me, and if that is the case, I
NA>> want to put in a feature request to Stef and Max. PGP is designed
NA>> to give you that dialogue box during encryption, allowing for
NA>> multiple recipients, so I would consider TB!'s PGP implementation
NA>> missing a feature... or perhaps classify it even as a bug.

MDP> Any other comments? Who sees what I see? Who sees what Nick sees (or
MDP> doesn't see as the case may be)?

I have similar problems as Nick describes with pgp v6.5.8. I've just
switched to the ckt build of pgp 6.5.8 and have yet to post a message
which is encrypted to see if i have the same problems. But one thing i
wonder is is this the same when you post a new msg as when you reply?
I've only replied to encrypted messages, and then the bat chooses the
recipients key.




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Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP

[A . Curtis Martin]

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  On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:24:48 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

KE> I have similar problems as Nick describes with pgp v6.5.8. I've just
KE> switched to the ckt build of pgp 6.5.8 and have yet to post a
KE> message which is encrypted to see if i have the same problems. But
KE> one thing i wonder is is this the same when you post a new msg as
KE> when you reply?

Yes it is the same. The same reasons for the key selection pop-up dialog
appearing apply for both new and reply messages.

KE> I've only replied to encrypted messages, and then the bat chooses
KE> the recipients key.

This is because you have a single key associated with the recipient
address. There's no other key to choose from, hence the dialog doesn't
appear.

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Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP

[Nick Andriash]

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On October 11, 2000 A. Curtis Martin Wrote:

> No problem, but hang on there a minute Nick. If I wish to encrypt the
> message to multiple recipients, when I address the message to the other
> recipients, the encryption to the other recipients is also done
> automatically (unless uncertainties with the other recipients key as I
> outlined before arise). I can't think of any practical reason why I'd
> want to encrypt a message to someone to whom the message will not be
> sent to.

You make a good point there Allie, but what if you have more than one
Public Key associated with a given recipient... will TB!/6.5.8 produce
the
dialogue box giving you a choice of which Public Key to use?

What if you were sending the message to a colleague in the next office,
and only wanted to use conventional encryption, or use the secure viewer?
How would you avail yourself of those features?


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Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP

[Nick Andriash]

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On October 11, 2000 Marck D. Pearlstone Wrote:

> That's it - and I always get (and always have got) the key selection
> box when encrypting messages. This comes up before the pass-phrase
> entry window IIRC.

Well that seems strange, because that was not my experience when using
TB!
and 6.5.8  I can't see anything in your setup that was any different in
how I had PGP's options set. I don't understand why you get the dialogue
box, and I... and others... don't/did not. :o(


Nick


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Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP

[A . Curtis Martin]

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  On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:04:51 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote:

NA> You make a good point there Allie, but what if you have more than
NA> one Public Key associated with a given recipient... will TB!/6.5.8
NA> produce the dialogue box giving you a choice of which Public Key to
NA> use?

Yes it will, if the addresses associated with the keys are the same or
doesn't correspond with the current intended address.

NA> What if you were sending the message to a colleague in the next
NA> office, and only wanted to use conventional encryption,

If you have a PGP key for the recipient, why would you wish to use
conventional encryption? If you don't have a key for the person in the
next office, the dialog will appear.

NA> or use the secure viewer?

Is this for message decryption?  If so, I use PGP tray when I wish to
use the secure viewer. I assign a hot-key to it. I use the TB!
decryption shortcut if I wish to decrypt the message the TB! way and I
use the PGP Tray hot-key if I wish to use the secure viewer.

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Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP

[Nick Andriash]

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On October 11, 2000 Marck D. Pearlstone Wrote:

> I don't think it's a bug - I think it is how it is supposed to work.

After further reading Marck, I have to agree with you and Allie on this.
Apparently, if you want to force the PGP Recipient Dialogue box to
appear,
hold down the SHIFT key while hitting the send button. This will avail
you
of the option to use Conventional Encryption and/or the Secure Viewer.

You mention that the dialogue box appears for you every time, but perhaps
Allie wouldn't mind trying this method to see if it works. If I recall
correctly, the encryption was done before the message was sent if you
used
the "Privacy/PGP/Encrypt Entire Text" option from the Message Toolbar, so
perhaps one would have to enable PGP via the Account Properties, and
check
the box for encryption. This would cause the message to be encrypted
*after* you hit the send button, and thus by holding down the SHIFT
button
in this case *should* bring up the PGP Recipient Selection dialogue box.

Amazing what you find out when reading the manual. 


Nick


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Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Nick,

On 11 October 2000 at 07:07:42 GMT -0700 (which was 15:07 where I
live) Nick Andriash wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Encrypting Messages with PGP":

>> That's it - and I always get (and always have got) the key
>> selection box when encrypting messages. This comes up before the
>> pass-phrase entry window IIRC.

NA> Well that seems strange, because that was not my experience when
NA> using TB! and 6.5.8  I can't see anything in your setup that was
NA> any different in how I had PGP's options set. I don't understand
NA> why you get the dialogue box, and I... and others... don't/did
NA> not. :o(

I think that the answer is that I have multiple keys on my keyring
that bear my email address. I'm sure that, if I had only one, I would
not see the dialog box.

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Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP

[A . Curtis Martin]

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  On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:28:53 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

NA>> Well that seems strange, because that was not my experience when
NA>> using TB! and 6.5.8  I can't see anything in your setup that was
NA>> any different in how I had PGP's options set. I don't understand
NA>> why you get the dialogue box, and I... and others... don't/did
NA>> not. :o(

MDP> I think that the answer is that I have multiple keys on my keyring
MDP> that bear my email address. I'm sure that, if I had only one, I
MDP> would not see the dialog box.

Hmmm. I have an RSA as well as a DH/DSS key and don't always get the
dialog. I guess that the disabled DH/DSS key that you have is the reason
behind the dialog appearing for you all the time. It's interesting that
this is so even though you've defined a default key to use. It seems
that TB! cannot decide which of the DH/DSS keys to use and hence the
dialog appears.

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Re: Encrypting Messages with PGP

[A . Curtis Martin]

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  On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:27:45 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote:

NA> After further reading Marck, I have to agree with you and Allie on
NA> this. Apparently, if you want to force the PGP Recipient Dialogue
NA> box to appear, hold down the SHIFT key while hitting the send
NA> button. This will avail you of the option to use Conventional
NA> Encryption and/or the Secure Viewer.

NA> You mention that the dialogue box appears for you every time, but
NA> perhaps Allie wouldn't mind trying this method to see if it works.

No, using the  key while hitting send to invoke the dialog
doesn't work here.

NA> If I recall correctly, the encryption was done before the message
NA> was sent if you used the "Privacy/PGP/Encrypt Entire Text" option
NA> from the Message Toolbar, so perhaps one would have to enable PGP
NA> via the Account Properties, and check the box for encryption. This
NA> would cause the message to be encrypted *after* you hit the send
NA> button,

Actually in the editor window, I enable PGP and select 'encrypt when
complete' in the Privacy menu to get the message encrypted upon sending.

NA> and thus by holding down the SHIFT button in this case *should*
NA> bring up the PGP Recipient Selection dialogue box.

It doesn't for me.

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Templates Help

[David Bevington]

Hello TBUDL,

As I await (nervously) either notification that my payment has been
received in the States or my trial period finishes, I sit and wonder
how people make some wonderful opening lines to their replies. I also
wonder if the templates could be modified to include all names in the
greeting. In the workplace I often send/forward messages to more than
one recipient and would like all their names inserted. In these cases
all recipients will have the same after the @ symbol. An answer to
this might help me to spend some time to master macros and the like.

Funnily enough, once I had committed payment I began to doubt. Company
standard is Pegasus (which i don't like), but should I have tried
Calypso? or Poco? Actually this list and its KB put my mind at ease.
With any luck, I might get to grips with its huge feature set before
v2 is released.
Although will v2 bring conformity to Windoze :-( shortcut keys?



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Re: Address Book Templates?

[Nick Andriash]

On October 11, 2000 Ming-Li Wrote:

> Ok, I was asking because you mentioned in your first message that:

>> In addition, when I try to forward a message, all I receive is a
>> blank message, with no address included nor forwarded text.

Yes, that happened to me because I had initially deleted all of my Account
and Folder templates, and of course with nothing entered at the Account
level, that rendered the AB templates unusable. That apparently was a bug
that both Allie and Marck alluded to in an earlier thread... of which I
forgot to pay attention to. :o(

> If your forward template is the same in all levels, this shouldn't
> happen. So, anyway, we now narrow down to New Message templates and
> Reply templates.

I have identical forward templates now in the Folder, Account and AB
levels, so this is not a problem any longer.

> 1. Please double check the usual suspects first: does the email
> address of the AB entry match the one of the message you're replying
> to? Is the AB template's %INCLUDE macro referring to the right text
> file? Is the %PUT macro in that text file referring to the right
> signature file?

Yes on both accounts.

> 2. Copy the AB template (not the actual template file, but the one
> line template in the AB) and paste it to the account template, and
> see how it goes. (This is to make sure it's indeed the account
> template which is in effect.)

Yes, when I change the Account Template to what I have in the AB Reply
template as you suggest, the correct signature is applied. When I change
the Account level Reply template back to my generic reply template, then
again, the AB template is not used, despite have the appropriate box
checked instructing TB! to use this specific template.

> 3. Create a temporary account (like my TestBat account). You don't
> really need to acquire a new account; just create a new account and
> use the same data as your main account (except setting it not to
> check mail). Don't touch the default account templates in any way.
> Then copy the message to which you want to reply to the Inbox of the
> new account. Now try to reply from the new account and see if the AB
> template works.

No, the default Account level reply template is used, despite what I have
in my AB template for replies.

> Since I'm not sure how much you want to pursue this (since you seems
> to be content with folder templates), I'll stop here. If you get
> this far and the problem remains, we'll try some other tests to
> narrow it down.

I am more than happy with Folder level templates, because if I am in my
PGP-Basics Folder for instance, and I single click the New Message button,
a properly addressed blank message is presented. I've created a blank
entry in my AB and made it a favourite, so from the same Folder, I can
bring up a new non-addressed blank message and address it to whomever I
choose. So, in my opinion, I have the best of both worlds, aside from
having to be cautious when clicking on a mailto:.

Nevertheless, I am anxious to know why my AB reply template will not take
preference over my Account or Folder level templates.


Nick


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Re: strange happernings

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Hello A!

On Wednesday, October 11, 2000 at 4:08:03 AM you wrote:


> TB! wraps its message text before sending. There's no need for PGP to be
> re-wrapping the text again.

Just  a  thought:  Since I just about 3 or 4 weeks ago unchecked the PGP
option  but  never  before  got  some comment about bad reflow ... could
another  "solution"  be to have TB! and PGP (by voluntary accident in my
case) warp at exactly the same number of characters?

Not  a  suggestion,  I  am just curious - as I should be as a writer and
scientist ;-).

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Re: Address Book Templates?

[Ming-Li]

On Wednesday, October 11, 2000, 8:13:32 AM, Nick wrote:

>> 2. Copy the AB template (not the actual template file, but the
>> one line template in the AB) and paste it to the account
>> template, and see how it goes. (This is to make sure it's indeed
>> the account template which is in effect.)

> Yes, when I change the Account Template to what I have in the AB
> Reply template as you suggest, the correct signature is applied.

Ok, so now we're sure TB's indeed using your Account template.

>> Now try to reply from the new account and see if the AB template
>> works.

> No, the default Account level reply template is used, despite what
> I have in my AB template for replies.

So, the problem is in the AB itself, for nothing in between is
possibly interfering with it.

Then I would suggest the following:

1. Put some non-macro words (any words) in the AB template, and see
if they show up in your reply. This is to tell if TB has trouble
dealing with your AB template as a whole, or with macros only.

2. Create a new AB (I'm calling it "Test" here), and in its
properties check the "Use this book as default for ADD/DELETE
operations" option. Now, from the Inbox of the newly created account
(you didn't delete it, did you?), select the message you want to
reply, and press Ctrl-W to create a new AB entry. Open your AB
again, and the new entry should reside in the Test AB, and should be
the only entry in it. Change the Reply template of that entry, then
try to reply to it.

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Re: strange happernings

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  On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:40:19 +0200, Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH> Just  a  thought:  Since I just about 3 or 4 weeks ago unchecked the PGP
DH> option  but  never  before  got  some comment about bad reflow ... could
DH> another  "solution"  be to have TB! and PGP (by voluntary accident in my
DH> case) warp at exactly the same number of characters?

If you do this, then you'll have to be sure that no quoted text exceeds
the wrap limit defined by PGP or else the quoted material will be
re-wrapped/munged by PGP.

The best thing to do is to just disable the option in PGP because you
really don't need it when using TB!. The option is really included for
those pesky clients (most out there) that reflow text upon sending.

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Re[2]: Address Book Templates?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Batlisters.

  In a post time stamped 09:25:32 -0700 re: Address Book Templates?
  Ming-Li wrote:

ML> 2. Create a new AB (I'm calling it "Test" here), and in its
ML> properties check the "Use this book as default for ADD/DELETE
ML> operations" option. Now, from the Inbox of the newly created account
ML> (you didn't delete it, did you?), select the message you want to
ML> reply, and press Ctrl-W to create a new AB entry. Open your AB
ML> again, and the new entry should reside in the Test AB, and should be
ML> the only entry in it. Change the Reply template of that entry, then

  Ming-Li,   dont'   know  if  you  noticed  how  "strange
  happenings"  thread  was  resolved but it was a somewhat
  similar  situation. You might want to look @ this thread
  to  see  if  it offers any clues. I solved my problem by
  re-creating  two  AB  entries.  Then macros, etc. worked
  fine.  Nothing  else  seemed  to affect any change. Very
  strange.

Jan Rifkinson
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Re: Address Book Templates?

[Ming-Li]

On Wednesday, October 11, 2000, 10:02:24 AM, Jan wrote:


> Ming-Li,   dont'   know  if  you  noticed  how  "strange
> happenings"  thread  was  resolved but it was a somewhat  similar
> situation. You might want to look @ this thread  to  see  if  it
> offers any clues.

Yes, I've been watching both threads closely. I don't see much
resemblance between the Nick's problem and yours. Yours involves a
specific folder, not Nick's. Yours involves two specific addresses,
not Nick's.

> I solved my problem by  re-creating  two  AB entries.  Then
> macros, etc. worked  fine.  Nothing  else  seemed to affect any
> change. Very  strange.

Though I don't see much similarities, it's still worthwhile for Nick
to try your solution. The hard question is which entries to delete
and recreate, for it seems Nick's AB templates don't work for all
the entries he's tried (I don't know how many). He might have to
delete/recreate them all.

Anyway, if the new AB trick works, then Nick probably has to start
doing just that.

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Re[2]: Address Book Templates?

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Batlisters.

  In a post time stamped 10:16:57 -0700 re: Address Book Templates?
  Ming-Li wrote:

ML> Though I don't see much similarities, it's still worthwhile for Nick
ML> to try your solution. The hard question is which entries to delete
ML> and recreate, for it seems Nick's AB templates don't work for all
ML> the entries he's tried (I don't know how many). He might have to
ML> delete/recreate them all.

  Yes,  it  would  be  interesting if Nick experimented by
  deleting  &  re-creating  just  a  couple  of  arbitrary
  addresses  to  see  what  happens. In my case, I think I
  know  what happened to my two addresses although I don't
  know  why.  I  changed  the properties, email address on
  both.  Then  they  stopped  recognizing  any  templates.
  H.

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Re[2]: strange happernings

[Jan Rifkinson]

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Hello Batlisters.

  In  a  post  time  stamped  21:08:03  -0500  re: strange
  happernings A. Curtis Martin wrote:

JR>> denominator.  So  I  deleted  the  two  addresses  which were
JR>> filtered for the folder in question.

ACM> To  avoid the above text reflowing nightmare when PGP signing
ACM> your  messages,  go  into the PGP Preferences and disable the
ACM> "Word wrap clear signed messages.." option.

ACM> TB!  wraps  its  message text before sending. There's no need
ACM> for PGP to be re-wrapping the text again.

  Thanks for the tip.

Jan Rifkinson
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Re: Address Book Templates?

[Nick Andriash]

On October 11, 2000, at 9:25:32 AM, Ming-Li Wrote:

> Then I would suggest the following:

> 1. Put some non-macro words (any words) in the AB template, and see
> if they show up in your reply. This is to tell if TB has trouble
> dealing with your AB template as a whole, or with macros only.

I put some random text in the template itself, but nothing comes through.
The Account level template is still being used, so the problem is with the
AB template as a whole.

> 2. Create a new AB (I'm calling it "Test" here), and in its
> properties check the "Use this book as default for ADD/DELETE
> operations" option. Now, from the Inbox of the newly created account
> (you didn't delete it, did you?)

I did unfortunately. I will re-create it and do the next test, and get
back to you with the results.


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Re: Address Book Templates?

[Nick Andriash]

On October 11, 2000, at 9:25:32 AM, Ming-Li Wrote:

> 2. Create a new AB (I'm calling it "Test" here), and in its
> properties check the "Use this book as default for ADD/DELETE
> operations" option. Now, from the Inbox of the newly created account
> (you didn't delete it, did you?), select the message you want to
> reply, and press Ctrl-W to create a new AB entry. Open your AB
> again, and the new entry should reside in the Test AB, and should be
> the only entry in it. Change the Reply template of that entry, then
> try to reply to it.

Yes, the correct reply template is used in the above test. So, I must have
a faulty AB then, right? I tried my PGP-Basics reply template (the one I
have been having trouble with) in the TBUDL AB reply template, and found
out that it works Ok in the AB entry, but not in my PGP-Basics entry.
Strange though, because when I go to reply to a portion of quoted text,
two identical replies are generated.

Let me create a new AB entry for PGP-Basics, and see if that will correct
the problem...

Hey!! It works now... simply by deleting and re-creating a new AB entry
for PGP-Basics. Thanks for all your help Ming-Li... very much appreciated.
Now, I have to make a decision on whether or not to revert to AB
templates, and see if Marck and Allie were right! ;o)

Thanks again... I would never have thought that an AB entry would be
faulty!


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Re: Templates Help

[Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen]

The bat of happiness fluttered its wings and whispered to me that
David Bevington said on Wednesday, October 11, 2000:

> Hello TBUDL,

> As I await (nervously) either notification that my payment has been
> received in the States or my trial period finishes, I sit and wonder
> how people make some wonderful opening lines to their replies.

I really have no idea, it just appears there!

;-)

Create an address book entry for the person or list you're interested
in, right mouse on the entry, select "Properties" and under Reply put
some custom template data.  e.g.,

The bat of happiness fluttered its wings and whispered to me that
%OFROMNAME said on %ODATE:

%QUOTES

%Cursor

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> I also
> wonder if the templates could be modified to include all names in the
> greeting.

Check through your macros and see if you find any likely suspects.
One thing, though -- if you have to reply to all to reply to a list
(it's the default that the RFC recommends), you have to delete the
name in the To: line, and cut and paste the name in the Cc: line and
paste that to the To: line.  Do that *before* you do any typing inside
the message.

[snip]

> Funnily enough, once I had committed payment I began to doubt. Company
> standard is Pegasus (which i don't like), but should I have tried
> Calypso? or Poco? Actually this list and its KB put my mind at ease.
> With any luck, I might get to grips with its huge feature set before
> v2 is released.

Well, this is just personal opinion, and worth what you paid for it,
but my impression of Calypso is that the authors looked at Microsoft
Exchange client and actually liked it.

Since Exchange client is a truly appalling piece of sh^H^Hsoftware, it
didn't take long for me to scrub every remnant of Calypso off my hard
drive.
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Re: Templates Help

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On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:31:51 -0500
"Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Rev.> > Funnily enough, once I had committed payment I began to doubt. Company
Rev.> > standard is Pegasus (which i don't like), but should I have tried
Rev.> > Calypso? or Poco? Actually this list and its KB put my mind at ease.
Rev.> > With any luck, I might get to grips with its huge feature set before
Rev.> > v2 is released.
Rev.> 
Rev.> Well, this is just personal opinion, and worth what you paid for it,
Rev.> but my impression of Calypso is that the authors looked at Microsoft
Rev.> Exchange client and actually liked it.

Quite possibly.  I like it too.

Rev.> Since Exchange client is a truly appalling piece of sh^H^Hsoftware, it
Rev.> didn't take long for me to scrub every remnant of Calypso off my hard
Rev.> drive.

That's your opinion.  There is much in Calypso that I like, and
somethings I don't.  The same is true of The Bat.  But it wasn't clear
if David Bevington was asking about a program for his Company, or for
private use.  Calypso works well on laptops and also for personal use,
but its not really suitable for company use IMO.  The Bat is better
for that.

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Re: TO and FROM Order?

[Peter Steiner]

Hello bat people

On Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:24:02 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF> On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:54:24 -0700GMT (09/10/2000, 05:54 +0800GMT),
TF> Michael S. Greenbaum wrote:

MSG>> Is there a way to change the order of TO and From on a new message?

MSG>> I would prefer to see the person to whom I am sending the message come
MSG>> first and my information come second?

TF> It's somewhere in the RFC's, I think. A message starts with "From".
TF> Nothing any application can do, except hide this fact to the user and
TF> just display it backwards. Which would lead to confusion.

I think that Michael talked about the message header display which has
nothing to do with the order the corresponding info is written into
the RFC822 header. This is a GUI thing. TB! is not very flexible when
it comes to rearranging the elements of the user interface. We all
eagerly wait for V2 to see improvements...

The other thing: i don't remember the RFC822 requiring an order in the
header fields. There is the UNIX mbox format, where messages start
with a "From " line, but that is not the "From:" field you can see
when composing a new message.

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junk mail filters

[Rainfall]

Hello TBUDL,

  What is the best way to implement a junk mail filter?

  Is it possible to move all incoming messages where the sender is in
  my address book to a folder like "known senders"?

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Re: TO and FROM Order?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Peter,

On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:17:59 +0200 GMT (12/10/00, 04:17 +0800 GMT),
Peter Steiner wrote:

PS> The other thing: i don't remember the RFC822 requiring an order in the
PS> header fields. There is the UNIX mbox format, where messages start
PS> with a "From " line, but that is not the "From:" field you can see
PS> when composing a new message.

Ah - that's what I mean, but I thought "From:" and "From" is the same.
Stupid me.

(BTW what is the difference?)

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Re:3 quickies

[ArekG]

Hello Jan,

On Tuesday, October 10, 2000, 2:51:45 PM, you wrote:

JR>  Mark,  I  use  IE  (Internet  Explorer)  but  downloaded
JR>  Netscape for testing/compatibility purposes. It looks to
JR>  me that I did not download the address book module.

   Jan, did you download Netscape Navigator instead of Netscape
   Communicator? If answer is 'yes', you cannot get an address book,
   because Navigator is stand-alone browser!
   In this case you should download Netscape Communicator (much bigger
   in size...) and then you will be able to do all those things
   Syafril has said about exporting address book from OE to TB!...

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Re: TO and FROM Order?

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Peter Steiner,

Responding  to  your  article  on Wed, 11 Oct 2000 at 22:17:59 GMT +0200
(which was 12/10/2000 3:17 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

MSG>>> Is  there  a  way  to  change  the  order of TO and From on a new
MSG>>> message?

MSG>>> I would prefer to see the person to whom I am sending the message
MSG>>> come first and my information come second?

TF>> It's somewhere in the RFC's, I think. A message starts with "From".
TF>> Nothing any application can do, except hide this fact to the user and
TF>> just display it backwards. Which would lead to confusion.

PS> I think that Michael talked about the message header display which has
PS> nothing to do with the order the corresponding info is written into
PS> the RFC822 header. This is a GUI thing. TB! is not very flexible when
PS> it comes to rearranging the elements of the user interface. We all
PS> eagerly wait for V2 to see improvements...

PS> The  other  thing: i don't remember the RFC822 requiring an order in
PS> the  header  fields.  There  is the UNIX mbox format, where messages
PS> start with a "From " line, but that is not the "From:" field you can
PS> see when composing a new message.

AFAIK RFC-822 not state about the order, just about header field.
Some  headers  created by MUA and others by MTA, and the moral said : do
not   change   original  data",  perhaps  other MUA or application still
keep/refer RFC Standard.



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Created : Thursday, October 12, 2000, 12:08:36 GMT +0700

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