Re: Deleting HTML attachment

[Roland Burger]

Hi David,

on  Sat,  14  Apr 2001 18:05:33 +0100 GMT (which was 14.04.2001, 19:05
+0100 GMT where I live) David Elliott wrote:

 %TO=""%TO='"%OFROMNAME on %ABoreplyNAME" %OREPLYADDR'

I  tried  this  with  all lists, but with my German lists I don't have
success with it!

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Re: Deleting HTML attachment

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Roland,

On 15 April 2001 at  13:01:00 +0200 (which was 12:01 where I  live)
Roland Burger wrote to David Elliott on TBUDL and made these points:

RB on  Sat,  14  Apr 2001 18:05:33 +0100 GMT (which was 14.04.2001, 19:05
RB +0100 GMT where I live) David Elliott wrote:

 %TO=""%TO='"%OFROMNAME on %ABoreplyNAME" %OREPLYADDR'

RB I tried this with all lists, but with my German lists I don't have
RB success with it!

You have to have an address book entry for every list you want to use
this method with.

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Re: Deleting HTML attachment

[Roland Burger]

Hi Marck,

on  Sun,  15  Apr 2001 12:21:17 +0100 GMT (which was 15.04.2001, 13:21
+0100 GMT where I live) Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:


 On 15 April 2001 at  13:01:00 +0200 (which was 12:01 where I  live)
 Roland Burger wrote to David Elliott on TBUDL and made these points:

RB on  Sat,  14  Apr 2001 18:05:33 +0100 GMT (which was 14.04.2001, 19:05
RB +0100 GMT where I live) David Elliott wrote:

 %TO=""%TO='"%OFROMNAME on %ABoreplyNAME" %OREPLYADDR'

RB I tried this with all lists, but with my German lists I don't have
RB success with it!

 You have to have an address book entry for every list you want to use
 this method with.

I have it! But for example with PGP-Friends I got only (I'll take your
name):
"Marck D. Pearlstone" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder - OT

[Karin Spaink]

On 15-04-2001 at 05:38, Thomas kindly wrote:
 moi:
 Douglas:

KS Gouglas, we were joking. Seriously.

 "Gouglas"? Oh well. What's that stuff you're smoking?

Ordinary tobacco. I already privately apologised to Douglas.

 Do you have the necessary expert participation lined up?

 Yes, in a police line-up. They have all been caught using *very*
 *very* dangerous folder templates.

Ouch. That is *very* incriminating.

KS Me? Yes. I run a number of lists, one of them with almost
KS 600 members.

 Wait until your article about human castration gets published

It was. Both in a newspaper and on that particular list ;-)


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Re: The Bat! - suggestions

[Nick Andriash]

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On April 14, 2001, at 8:19:43 PM, Maurice Snellen wrote:

ACM Some of the editors great formatting routines such as the
ACM reformatting of quoted material will lead to this sort of
ACM limitation.

Sorry I'm coming in late on this thread, but could you refresh my memory
on what sort of limitations Allie was talking about?

 Not necessarily. Basicly, the editor only needs to make this
 difference for as long as you are editing the message, or maybe it
 should even save the message with the information on soft and hard
 returns intact. On screen, while editing, the wrapping behaviour would
 be as defined by the maximum width of the message, such as 76
 characters on a line.

Just for clarification, a soft return is one where the line automatically
wraps, and a hard return is where the User actually hits the "Enter" key,
is that correct? What you are proposing is that TB! not use hard returns
where soft returns would normally go?

 Upon hitting send, the soft returns would automatically be replaced
 with hard returns, causing there to be no difference between the
 message on-screen and the way it is sent.

If TB!'s Editor was to do that, and realising that PGP wraps/signs a
message *before* the MUA would... in your example... replace the soft
returns with hard returns, it would have to be such that there was
absolutely no difference in the two messages... not even one character...
otherwise the PGP signature would be broken. Do you feel that condition
would be met if TB! were to make those changes after the User hit the
"Send" button?

 I've seen this kind of ability before in my old FidoNet editor, GoldEd
 (www.goldware.dk) although I must admit that the reformatting of
 quoted text in GoldEd requires a little more user intervention.

Again I am presuming you were referring to the quirkiness of the TB!
Editor's auto-format feature, and that a re-make of the Editor such that
it would allow for soft returns would eliminate such quirkiness?


Nick

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Re: Search for No Sender messages

[Ming-Li]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 at 20:12:36 +0400 jlaikan wrote:

 I don't really need the feature I mentioned. I posted the message
 was for 2 reasons:-

 1) I have read in this list that someone proposed to stop spam by
 setting filters to automatically deleted messages with No Sender.

As you've known, you can do that with filters. You don't have to
delete/move them if you don't want to. You may assign them a color
group so you can easily tell them apart. Also, you may search across
folders/accounts for all messages with a certain color.

 2) I wanted to see how far I could push the Bat!

Well, now you know one of its limitations.

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Re: Spell Checker (was Re: From WIN 95 to Win2K)

[Ming-Li]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 at 10:42:36 -0400 dMb wrote:

 I'm happy to report that moving from my Win 95 to Win2k machine was
 very easy.

Good.

 All I did was back up the registry settings and then copied the
 entire TB! directory structure onto a zip disk.

 Insert zip disk into new machine, copy to same directory structure
 and restore the registry settings.

Wait a minute. You didn't mention installing TB on the new machine.
Did you do that? Or did you just copy the whole thing (program and
mail base) over?

The difference? Upon installation, TB make changes/additions to the
registry. Most, *but not all*, of them are under the HKCU...\RIT
tree, as explained several times on the list.

Those not under the tree are not user-specific or system-specific,
so there's no need to move those settings when you move a TB
configuration from one machine to another. But that doesn't mean you
don't need those settings. If you haven't installed TB on the new
machine, therefore, it's wise to do it now.

 The only thing that has stopped working is the spell checker.

I'm not sure it's related to what's said above. Why don't you try it
(unless you've installed TB; just didn't mention it) and see if it
helps.

Or see if others have better clues.

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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Ming-Li]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 at 16:55:12 -0400 Tim Musson wrote:

ML even when the number of messages to download is large, I don't
ML always see temp files created.

 One question, what dir are you monitoring?  You say the "temp"
 dir, but which "temp" dir?

I guess you didn't follow the other thread that prompted me to do
the experiment. As I have explained to Marck, I do know where the
temp dir is. I set it up manually (I'm not using the system
default). It's neither C:\temp nor one under the [documents and
settings], but rather one I designated. And yes, I'm very sure. I
know there're 4 temp dir settings, and I've hand-set all of them.

The fact that I do sometimes see TB temp files created in the temp
dir, as quoted above, should be enough proof that I was watching the
right dir.

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Re: Spell Checker (was Re: From WIN 95 to Win2K)

[Nick Andriash]

On April 15, 2001, at 8:53:22 AM, Ming-Li wrote:

 Insert zip disk into new machine, copy to same directory structure and
 restore the registry settings.

I've performed that same routine a number of times, and have yet to run
into any kind of problem. :o)

 Wait a minute. You didn't mention installing TB on the new machine.
 Did you do that? Or did you just copy the whole thing (program and
 mail base) over?

 The difference? Upon installation, TB make changes/additions to the
 registry. Most, *but not all*, of them are under the HKCU...\RIT
 tree, as explained several times on the list.

Yes, but he did mention that he restored the Registry entries.

 Those not under the tree are not user-specific or system-specific,
 so there's no need to move those settings when you move a TB
 configuration from one machine to another. But that doesn't mean you
 don't need those settings. If you haven't installed TB on the new
 machine, therefore, it's wise to do it now.

Why? What would installing TB! change? Simply moving over the entire
Program Files/The Bat! Folder along with restoration of the Registry
entries will/should suffice. The only advantage to actually *installing*
TB!, is that it would create an entry in the Add/Remove List of Control
Panel... but then again I've heard from others that TB!'s uninstall
routine does not work anyway. ;o)

 The only thing that has stopped working is the spell checker.

Are there any error messages given? What exactly do you mean by "stopped
working"? It shouldn't have if you moved the entire Folder structure over
to the new machine.


Nick

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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Ming-Li]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 at 09:23:24 -0700 Ming-Li wrote:

 I'll get a real-time monitoring tool to try again.

Ok, I installed a real-time file activity monitor (freeware) from
System Internals, and indeed for every received message there's a
temp file created in the temp dir. They're all closed and killed
within a few seconds (no wonder the once-per-min. snapshots missed
most of them).

The question remains, why are there so many temp files that are left
in the temp dir and not deleted for so many of you. As Thomas said,
without source codes, we can only speculate. And I'm frankly out of
ideas.

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Re: Spell Checker (was Re: From WIN 95 to Win2K)

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Nick!

On Sunday, April 15, 2001 at 6:17:33 PM you wrote:

 The only thing that has stopped working is the spell checker.

 Are there any error messages given? What exactly do you mean by "stopped
 working"? It shouldn't have if you moved the entire Folder structure over
 to the new machine.

I was wondering about it, too. Maybe he did use the MS Office spell
checker files, which he may not have carried over?

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Re: Spell Checker (was Re: From WIN 95 to Win2K)

[Ming-Li]

On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 at 09:17:33 -0700 Nick Andriash wrote:

 The difference? Upon installation, TB make changes/additions to
 the registry. Most, *but not all*, of them are under the
 HKCU...\RIT tree, as explained several times on the list.

 Yes, but he did mention that he restored the Registry entries.

Yes, but what did he restore? The registry export/saving technics
commonly taught on the list is only about the branch under
[HKCU...\RIT], or at most with the addition of the now defunct
[HKLM...\RIT] tree. Upon installation, TB makes registry
additions/changes beyond those places. That's what I was talking
about.

Missing those settings probably won't have any effect on TB's
regular operation, but might be the source of such problems like
"can't launch TB when clicking on a mailto link in the browser" or
"no action when clicking on a .eml file", etc.

The registry settings TB amends during installation include:

* additional file classes (including protocol classes)
* redefine some existing file classes and/or their associated actions
* registering TB as a system-wide (and default) email client

These settings won't be ported over if you simply save the
[HKCU...\RIT] tree and imported into another machine.

Now, TB may have builtin checking routine that would check those
settings when you launch it, but I don't know how complete it is.

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Re[2]: Search for No Sender messages

[jlaikan]

Hello Ming-Li,

Sunday, April 15, 2001, 7:44:57 PM, you wrote:


ML As you've known, you can do that with filters. You don't have to
ML delete/move them if you don't want to. You may assign them a color
ML group so you can easily tell them apart. Also, you may search across
ML folders/accounts for all messages with a certain color.

The problem is that Filters use InBox  Outbox as source folders, but my incoming
"no sender" messages have already been moved automatically to other folders using 
"Subject"
as filtering string.

 2) I wanted to see how far I could push the Bat!

ML Well, now you know one of its limitations.

Could this be overcome by adding to TB!'s Message Finder an option of Presence:- Yes/No
(as for filters)? Would that be really useful to most users?





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Re: Search for No Sender messages

[Lars Geiger]

Hi jlaikan,
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, at 21:00:26 +0400 you wrote:

 The problem is that Filters use InBox  Outbox as source
 folders, but my incoming "no sender" messages have already been
 moved automatically to other folders using "Subject" as
 filtering string.

That's not a problem at all, you just have to put the rule which
assigns a color group at the top of the list *and* activate
'Continue processing with other filters'. This way your messages
are assigned a color group first (marking them as potential spam)
and then moved to another folder.

Just be careful and set the source *and* destination folder for the
spam rule to 'Inbox', because otherwise your other filters won't
work.

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Sending to a address book group

[Ottar Grimstad]

  In Outlook Express I could just enter a group name in the To: field,
  and it was automatically expanded to the group members on sending. I
  cannot get this to work in The Bat.

  If I just enter the address book group name, the message is sent
  using that name, and rejected from my ISP on lack of a proper address.

  If I press Ctr-Enter on group name in the address book, the To field
  contains "listname list" and the result is the same.

  I have to start the message,
  press address book icon to the right on the  To:  - line.
  Select group
  Press the  button to get all of the names into the address field

  Is there something that I am missing?

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Newbie

[Anne-Sophie Hombert]

Hi,

I just discovered TB! yesterday. I had been using Pegasus for years
and a few months ago, I began to look for a mail program that would
have better HTML reading capabilities than Pegasus. At that time, I
switched to Poco but was getting tired of the "invalid pointers
faults" etc and realized that the HTML reading support was not so
great. So I installed and played with TB! yesterday and found it so
fantastic that I registered it the same day. I'm sure I still have a
lot to learn about TB! but I appreciate a lot the threading
capabilities and the speed when downloading email messages.

This was just a small introduction... to tell how happy I am with TB!
I'm sure I'll have tons questions later on.
  

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Re: good bye, for now

[Ron Secord]

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Hi Ming-Li,

On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, at 10:21:10 -0700 (1:21 PM where I live)
Ming-Li wrote to TBBETA and made these comments:

ML I'm sorry to say good bye to all of you,

Good Luck Ming-Li and take care. Looking forward to your return as you are
a fine contributor to this list. Your knowledge is very evident and I, for
one, enjoyed reading your posts.

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Re: Sending to a address book group

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Ottar,

On 15 April 2001 at  19:39:00 +0200 (which was 18:39 where I  live)
Ottar Grimstad wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these
points:

OG   If I just enter the address book group name, the message is sent
OG   using that name, and rejected from my ISP on lack of a proper address.

snip

OG   Is there something that I am missing?

Yes there is. TB uses two methods for this. Enter a part match for a
first name and use Ctrl+Plus to expand the name from the address book.
Press it again to find the next match. The second method is to type
the handle of the address book entry in full and press tab to have TB
expand it automatically.

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Re: Newbie

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Anne-Sophie,

Sunday, April 15, 2001, 8:05:22 PM, you wrote:

ASH I just discovered TB! yesterday. I had been using Pegasus for
ASH years and a few months ago, I began to look for a mail program
ASH that would have better HTML reading capabilities than Pegasus. At

I downloaded and tested The Bat about ten days ago, and registered it the
first day I used it, just like you.

Though I would not say that the HTML-capabilities are the most
compelling reason. Images from outside sources are not downloaded,
and sometimes I miss the ability to send HTML-messages (holiday
greetings and some long mail with several headers and subheaders).

ASH day. I'm sure I still have a lot to learn about TB! but I
ASH appreciate a lot the threading capabilities and the speed when
ASH downloading email messages.

The threading of maillists is very nice, but the filtering
capabilities, excellent editor and versatile templates was the reasons
I fell in love with it.

Now I would like to see much of the same capabilities in a news
reader. Anyone?

  

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Re: Newbie

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Anne-Sophie,

On 15 April 2001 at  20:05:22 +0200 (which was 19:05 where I  live)
Anne-Sophie Hombert wrote to TBUDL and made these points:

ASH ... So I installed and played with TB! yesterday and found it so
ASH fantastic that I registered it the same day. I'm sure I still have a
ASH lot to learn about TB! but I appreciate a lot the threading
ASH capabilities and the speed when downloading email messages.

ASH This was just a small introduction... to tell how happy I am with
ASH TB! I'm sure I'll have tons questions later on.

Welcome to the list, and to the growing number of TB users around the
world. Hopefully, this list (and the TB FAQ web site at
www.silverstones.com/thebat/faq.html) will supply you with the answers
you need.

Let me try to preempt one that I can see on the horizon.

When it comes to HTML message display, TB will *not* display
out-of-line images - it has no browser GET capabilities. Nor will it
execute scripts. Other than this, the HTML preview is not too bad at
all (if you like that kind of thing ;-) ).

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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Alexander Levenetz]

Hello,


 Ok, I installed a real-time file activity monitor (freeware) from
 System Internals,

I just did that myself as well. Now I'm rather irritated...

Scanning only TB! I get the following results/errors:

Request: FASTIO_READ, file is messages.tbi, Result is SUCCESS. Ok,
sound good.
Then: FASTIO_WRITE, file is messages.tbi, Result is FAILURE - what the
heck is that? What does Fastio_x mean?
Then: IRP_MJ_CREATE, file is TheBat!\thebat.ipc, Result is FILE NOT
FOUND. This is a constant one. What is thebat.ipc?
Process is always thebat.exe:1100.

Can anyone tell me anything about what's going on here? I run TB!
1.52beta/4 on Win2k SP1.

Btw, I have these bat*.tmp files as well, even without that TB!
crashes.

Greetings,
Alexander

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Re: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Alexander,

On 15 April 2001 at  20:45:40 +0200 (which was 19:45 where I  live)
Alexander Levenetz wrote to Ming-Li and made these points:

AL Then: FASTIO_WRITE, file is messages.tbi, Result is FAILURE - what the
AL heck is that? What does Fastio_x mean?

Pass.

AL Then: IRP_MJ_CREATE, file is TheBat!\thebat.ipc, Result is FILE NOT
AL FOUND. This is a constant one. What is thebat.ipc?
AL Process is always thebat.exe:1100.

This is an easy one. thebat.ipc is the TB inter-process communication
file. TB scans for this file and executes any commands it finds in
there.

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Re[2]: Sending to a address book group

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Marck,

Sunday, April 15, 2001, 8:24:26 PM, you wrote:

MDP Yes there is. TB uses two methods for this. Enter a part match
MDP for a first name and use Ctrl+Plus to expand the name from the
MDP address book. Press it again to find the next match. The second
MDP method is to type the handle of the address book entry in full
MDP and press tab to have TB expand it automatically.

  Yes.

  And I was mistaken. When the address field says list then it is
  expanded on sending to all the members of the list. I must have made
  a mistake in my earlier tests.

  Thank you!

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Re: Sending to a address book group

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Ottar,

On Sunday, April 15, 2001 19:39:00 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Sending to a address book group':

Ottar   In Outlook Express I could just enter a group name in the To: field,
Ottar   and it was automatically expanded to the group members on sending. I
Ottar   cannot get this to work in The Bat.

Ottar   If I just enter the address book group name, the message is sent
Ottar   using that name, and rejected from my ISP on lack of a proper address.

  If I understand your question correctly, you are asking about
  addressing a group of people by their AB or Group Name. I believe
  this is possible in TB!.

  In TB! one can create Group ABs as subsets of the main AB. Of
  course these groups have to have unique name. So I'll give you an
  example from my AB.

  I belong to 4 lists that deal with the Bouvier des Flandres.
  Because of that I created a group called BouvLists. In that group
  I placed all the 'post to' addresses of the 4 Bouvier mail lists.

  If I want to write to all of them I create a new msg  address
  it to "BouvLists" which is the name of the group. TB!, as I
  understand it, will send the msg to all the names in the group,
  i.e. all the different Bouvier lists that I belong to.

  The confusing thing is you don't see all the addresses expanded in
  the To: address line. You sort of have to take it on faith, not
  always the best way, IMO, when dealing with computers :-)

  HTH

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Address Book Templates

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello TBUDL:

 I have been advised not to use folder templates, but instead use
  address boook templates, so I have experimented a little with these.

  It seem that if I have made a template for a Address Book Group,
  that template will be used also for individual mails to members of
  this list.

  For instance, I have a group for members on the board on an
  organisation I am member of, and start my message template with: "To
  the members of the board", but then this message appears also on
  more private mails to individual members of this board.

  Have I misunderstood again?

  Is making a folder for messages to the board, and using a folder
  template the only way to achieve what I want (one template for group
  mails to all members of the board, and another for individual
  messages)?  

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Re[2]: Newbie

[Anne-Sophie Hombert]

Hi Marck,

MDP When it comes to HTML message display, TB will *not* display
MDP out-of-line images - it has no browser GET capabilities. Nor will it
MDP execute scripts. Other than this, the HTML preview is not too bad at
MDP all (if you like that kind of thing ;-) ).

Don't be afraid ;-) I do not really like HTML in e-mail messages(in fact not at all), 
but unfortunately more
and more newsletters come into that format only. I don't care about
images etc but I like to be able to read the text without the tags (and Poco
was very bad for that ...). TB does an excellent job in that regard.

Also I read the FAQ and browsed the newsgroup archive so I will try
not to ask too stupid questions ;-)

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Re[3]: Newbie

[Peter Meyns]

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Hi everyone,

I'm using TB! for a couple of weeks, and I greatly enjoy it. Almost every
other day there is something new to discover.
Now I found this list. This seems to be another good discovery... :o)

On Sunday, April 15, 2001 at 22:45 (my local time), Anne-Sophie Hombert wrote:

MDP When it comes to HTML message display, TB will *not* display
MDP out-of-line images - it has no browser GET capabilities. Nor will it
MDP execute scripts.

I really appreciate that.

ASH Don't be afraid ;-) I do not really like HTML in e-mail messages(in fact not at 
all), but unfortunately more
ASH and more newsletters come into that format only.

Good thing, for me it's only those newsletters I don't really need anyway, that
come HTML formatted only. The ones I do need or want are plain text anyway,
or at least they let me choose.

ASH Also I read the FAQ and browsed the newsgroup archive

I'll have to do this some more. So no questions yet. :)

Cheers
Peter
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Re: Address Book Templates

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Ottar,

On Sunday, April 15, 2001 22:40:15 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Address Book Templates':

Ottar  I have been advised not to use folder templates, but instead use
Ottar   address boook templates, so I have experimented a little with these.

Ottar   It seem that if I have made a template for a Address Book Group,
Ottar   that template will be used also for individual mails to members of
Ottar   this list.

Ottar   For instance, I have a group for members on the board on an
Ottar   organisation I am member of, and start my message template with: "To
Ottar   the members of the board", but then this message appears also on
Ottar   more private mails to individual members of this board.

Ottar   Have I misunderstood again?

  This may clarify any confusion you might have:  TB! usese the
  following precedence:

1) entry in AB
2) group in AB
3) folder
4) account

  i.e. the first thing TB! looks @ is a single AB entry template, failing
  that it will look @ an AB group template, etc. So this may give
  you an idea of how TB! works in this case.

Ottar   Is making a folder for messages to

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Re: Synchronization How-To

[Thomas]

Hello Ethan,

as I don't use the Sync function myself, I am forwarding your message
to the list. Some kind soul will help you out.

Cheers,

Thomas.

Monday, April 16, 2001, 6:27:24 AM, you wrote:

EJM The Desk E-Mail Correspondence 
EJM From:Ethan J. Mings, Principal
EJM Date:4/15/2001 at 6:26 PM.
EJM Subject: Synchronization How-To
EJM --

You can use the backup function for that. Check out the tools menu.
Backup on one system, carry the backup to the other, and use restore.

EJM I'm trying to get my files from my lap top to my main machine.  My
EJM concern is if I run back up, won't I end up with a message on my
EJM machine when I restore.

EJM Any assistance on this matter would be helpful.



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Re: Address Book Templates

[Thomas]

Hi Jan,

On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:49:47 -0400GMT (16/04/2001, 06:49 +0800GMT),
Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR TB! usese the following precedence:

This is correct. But with all the hype about the templates, I don't
know why people rely on software more than on their human ability to
decide things.

An example of what I mnean: Some members of this group don't use their
first names in their email addresses, or haven't set their real names
in account properties, and thus will not be addressed as "Hello Name".
You can either choose to leave it as "Hello Email-username" or create
an AB entry for this individual. I do neither: whenever I reply to a
message, I actually read my reply before I hit send. If the word after
"Hello " does not look like a first name, I take the trouble and go to
the bottom of the original mail and fill in the appropriate first name
manually; even if I reply relatively often to that person. How many
messages per month is "often" anyway.

What is wrong with that? For me it's a matter of politeness to use the
name of the person, and a matter of laziness that I don't create AB
entries for everyone.

Oh, and when I check the word after "Hello ", I also look at the TO,
CC and BCC fields; therefore I have no problems with folder templates.
I know too much about computers to dare to rely on them. ;-)

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Re: Address Book Templates

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On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:11:13 +0800, Thomas thoughtfully wrote the
following:


JR TB! usese the following precedence:

T This is correct. But with all the hype about the templates, I don't
T know why people rely on software more than on their human ability to
T decide things.

You seem to be confusing automation here with decision making. I decide
what I wish to do and then set TB! up to do what I wish it to do for me,
not what I wish it to decide for me. If I can automate doing what I
*repeatedly* want to do then I'll do so. This is what templates are about
and what forms the basis behind the well deserved hype behind them. :=)
Templates do not decide anything for the user. They simply output text and
text macros as you set them up to do.

Templates offer a great way to automate but they do have their
limitations. Ottar's problem uncovers one such limitation, that's all. If
he put a macro that would dynamically fill in the recipient name in his
address book group template then he would be OK. However, he has defined a
fixed string : 'To members of the board'. This, of course, will be
faithfully outputted when the template is invoked. If templates aren't
doing what he intends (if he fully understands how they work, then he'll
realize that they will not do what he desires to do in that instance) then
he'll have to do a little manual editing as you mentioned or create entry
specific templates for each board member or the members which he
corresponds with personally.

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[mark b]

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Re: take me off Please

[Brian Clark]

Hi mark,

@ 10:51:40 PM on 4/15/2001, mark b wrote:

mb Please unsubscibe me my address is:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

No.

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Re[3]: Killing dupes

[jlaikan]

Hello David,

Friday, April 13, 2001, 8:11:21 PM, you wrote:


 Which leads me to a question: how *is* it possible to have same
 message-ID on several messages?! I'm dumbstruck!

There are even messages with no IDs at all. Recently I imported messages from Eudora 3,
several of which were duplicates but TB! was unable to kill dupes as they had no IDs.



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