Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 13, 2001, at 11:07:27 PM, Dwight A Corrin wrote: Whether it should be saved depends on what you mean by saved. I don't think it should be discarded, I think it should be put in the outbox ready for deferred delivery. If you have Auto-Save enabled, then upon reaching the time specified in your Settings, the message will have been saved. If you have Immediate specified for Sending, then the message will be sent, but no copy will be saved. If you have Deferred specified, then it is my understanding that the message will be saved (as per Auto-Save function if enabled), but will not remain as such once the message has been successfully sent off. Looking at all this, one question which I now have is what is the difference between 'save' and 'save draft'? I don't believe there is a difference. If there is, I certainly don't see where. If I construct a message, hitting Save Draft will immediately close and park the message in the Outbox. Hitting Save allows you to close/exit the message you are working on, yet a copy remains, parked, in the Outbox. Both methods result in the same thing... a parked message. - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- TB! v1.53 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOyhZ5cUChHR7o/3OEQI6LACfetHx6jmzYhNDhLeg0GSp+fdTd9wAoPIl jJ4eJTBUZItpFHwY9oEmbF3L =iCKS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox
Hi Nick, On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:48:38 -0700GMT (14/06/2001, 12:48 +0800GMT), Nick Andriash wrote: I get a dialogue box asking if I want to save the message. When I answer yes, the message ends up in the outbox, but it is marked as parked (or whatever one calls the outbox equivalent). This doesn't seem right. NA It does if you wanted the message saved, instead of being sent. No. If you wanted to save it as draft, you would have clicked the icon save draft and not put letter in outbox. I am greatly annoyed by this additional unwanted and unnecessary query. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53bis under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! v1.53 now released.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie! On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 2:48:07 AM you wrote: [*] Prompt to keep the message when a new message was automatically saved and then abandoned This definitely works. But why on earth does Ctrl+Enter trigger it? This shortcut should send my message instead of asking to save it. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53bis Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Sooner or later the graveyards are full of everybody. (Terry Pratchett) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOyhRF/To1oA8g8dLEQKqogCg6l/CfHXskqQgONtcmTehtfI57uUAniS7 EJT9C0dgJ2h5vnTHUSZ2kbCB =JYbP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Dwight! On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 7:29:39 AM you wrote: I just hit the button for this reply, and answered no on the save question. My concern had been that saying not to save would result in loss of the message. When I didn't save, it was in the outbox without being marked as a draft, so maybe this behavior is not so unreasonable as I thought, although still doesn't seem logical. I am going to post this, then try penning another reply after turning auto-save back off. first, I'm back, because this time, even though I said no, don't save, the message was still marked as a draft in the out box. So, now we are two who have this behaviour. And let me add, just now I had the same problem with the toolbar button Send deferred. It seems to come up every second send. I will now send a bug report directly to RITLabs. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53bis Windows 95 4.0 1212 C When life is reduced to its very essence, we find that we have many genes in common with every species on Earth, and that we're not so different from one another. (J. Craig Venter) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOyhUJfTo1oA8g8dLEQJYGACggSVRKNkUiDm2dywz05SG4rFlPEcAoMYe lw/8fcsnl7YQJSPJw4AIjCq+ =vCPV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: 1.53bis: Bug - Sending mail problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Dwight! On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 11:14:09 PM you wrote: there is some discussion after that in a thread called RC/4, and I believe there is also some discussion before that time about the behavior of Ctrl-Enter But that behaviour was what I suspected - and that's why I used it. It just didn't work yesterday, killing a long and important message. In the moment I again use the mouse instead of the shortcut. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53bis Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Wenn ich mir eine Art Mensch ausdenke, die allen meinen Instinkten zuwiderläuft, so wird immer ein Deutscher daraus. (Friedrich Nietzsche) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOyhOnvTo1oA8g8dLEQJUlACfV5SzeNfAOX4btUTrLouR3v1Sz/gAn0ml O4FAaDO9e211W58qhshR1TOH =2Qyr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Bug: Connection center, good bye
Hello Lang, 14. junij 2001, 0:51:13, you wrote: Something happened to my connection center some days ago: probably I've minimized it, because it appears on the taskbar as a button and nothing else of it is visible. Pressing Alt-space when if it is the active window calls out its system menu, where only the Move, Size and Close commands are available. Close works, the other two doesn't do anything. Meanwhile, the connection center works properly, downloads and sends everything as needed, just I don't see anything of it. A government method. I've restarted my machine, reverted to a previous beta, then another one, walked through the whole registry, no way to cure it. Finally I reverted to a connectioncenterless version, that's what I'm using in the last days. Soon I'll download 1.53 and see what happened to the bug. Are you sure that you didn't just accidentally move it somewhere out of reach? Try to select Move from the menu and then use arrows on keyboard to move it. It might work. -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.53bis on Windows 98 4.10.1998] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick! On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 8:29:59 AM you wrote: If you have Deferred specified, then it is my understanding that the message will be saved (as per Auto-Save function if enabled), but will not remain as such once the message has been successfully sent off. I just had a look. I have auto-save enabled, sending deferred. When the question to save pops up (either on pressing the toolbar button or by Ctrl+Enter) and I answer Yes, the message gets saved as draft. So it would not be send, but stay. If I hit No I lose the message completely - that's why I was a bit strong on words when it happened to me yesterday with an important mail. With Cancel nothing happens. Then the whole thing is not consistent, sometimes it happens, sometimes not. It looks a bit like annoy the user with every seciond or third send try. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53bis Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Only the strong survive. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOyhXf/To1oA8g8dLEQJ4RACdH4AlfW3BgaAhY2MLCwgMSzbjwrwAoJTI bDIfPkNAio6+UjzMStFMLXJa =5dq3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox
Hi Dierk, On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:19:42 +0200GMT (14/06/2001, 15:19 +0800GMT), Dierk Haasis wrote: DH I just had a look. I have auto-save enabled, sending deferred. I have auto-save disabled, and sending deferred. And when I hit put letter in outbox it is already clear that I don't mean save draft, otherwise I would have hit that button. I don't need this extra query, I'm not a moron. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53bis under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox
On Thursday, June 14, 2001, 1:29:59 AM, Nick Andriash wrote: If you have Deferred specified, then it is my understanding that the message will be saved (as per Auto-Save function if enabled), but will not remain as such once the message has been successfully sent off. The message is marked as a draft when autosave is active, and so it will never be successfully dispatched without further intervention. Now that I have turned off autosave, when I hit the cue this message button and said don't save it made it to the outbox in a condition ready to go out. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53bis on Windows 98 version 4,90 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas! On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 9:36:35 AM you wrote: I don't need this extra query, I'm not a moron. As you may have seen, that part is the least problematic for me. The behaviour is superfluous, inconsistent and dangerous. If there is anything to it (maybe someone likes it), it should be made optional - and that is ASAP. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53bis Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Love truly wishes some good to another, and therefore we all desire it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOyhkJ/To1oA8g8dLEQK+BgCdE6V0xNnQO4G54bP1PLcQHCFarFwAn0qJ BOcSBAGjtQA9bGNIzbwY8Rm9 =o2vA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox
Hello Dierk, Thursday, June 14, 2001, 10:19:42 AM, you wrote: skip Just to put my couple of cents:) I back those who don't like the new behavior. It's unnatural and things happen in a way opposite to one most users expect. My opinion is strong and is like that:))) - Nobody bothers of technical drafts miraculously appeared in the Outbox during lengthy editing and the prompt to save them sounds ridiculously! TheBat!'s just a public carrier and it shouldn't ask to many questions:) - Put the letter to Outbox button and its equivalent corresponds to deferred delivery for build-in MTA. The message is queued and is sent when 'Master' explicetely tells so:) - It's the user's responsibility to resolve any problem if the message was placed to the queue by mistake. There're plenty of ways for him to achieve this; - Send the letter button and its equivalent corresponds for immediate delivery and defer if failed.; - Save draft means save draft:) and exit editor for 'Me gonna do other stuff':). Nothing more.; - Save means save draft and continue editing the working copy of the message; - No draft message can be present in the Outbox after successful sending or queuing the message. It's a bug if so:) - Autosave mode means that we can find a most recently saved draft in Outbox in case of TheBat!/system failure (if no immediate/deferred delivery command precedes the failure:). Nothing more. Opposite behavior is a bug. Period. This is my XX.X cents:) -- Best regards, Serge Skorokhodovmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PS. Opposite is a bug:) -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:49:07 +0800, Thomas contributed this to our collective wisdom: ... NA It does if you wanted the message saved, instead of being sent. TF No. If you wanted to save it as draft, you would have clicked the icon TF save draft and not put letter in outbox. TF I am greatly annoyed by this additional unwanted and unnecessary TF query. Which additional query is that? Auto-save creates a current draft of the message being edited at the specified time interval. If you have 'immediate delivery' enabled and choose to send, the message is simply sent and the draft deleted. If you wish to cancel the message, then a popup appears asking if you wish to delete the draft as well. This is new and appreciated since I hated having to go and manually delete the draft. The problem now seems to be with deferred deliveries. There are two ways of deferring. You could hit Shift+F2 which works just fine, i.e., the message is placed in the outbox and drafts removed, no prompts appearing. However, if you use CTRL+Enter, pop-ups appear asking questions about saving. Very inappropriate and buggy. This behaviour appeared after the implemented wish that CTRL+Enter be made to obey the mode of delivery defined in the account options. In fact, I didn't wish to save the message but send it, so I said no to both queries and the message was deleted and *not sent*!! In TB! *save* and *save as draft* seem pretty synonymous. If I use CTRL+S (save), the message is saved as a draft. Again confusing. - -- A. Curtis Martin List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) Using The Bat! (v1.53bis) [OS: Windows 2000 (Service Pack 2)] - 'HARDWARE: n. The part you kick.' __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build/06) Comment: Public Key available at http://key.ac-martin.com iQA/AwUBOyiN8VfJ62ArBxfiEQJZmQCfSNPSQlO7pTHP1PQRfXtIBq+j+kEAoNgU jon1KvrQU3nBkHdwWz9p3fD2 =GkGH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! v1.53 now released.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:52:22 +0200, Dierk graced us with these comments: ... [*] Prompt to keep the message when a new message was automatically saved and then abandoned DH This definitely works. But why on earth does Ctrl+Enter trigger DH it? This shortcut should send my message instead of asking to save it. I fully agree. CTRL+Enter was recently made to obey the delivery settings in the account options. This probably started at that point. I deliver messages immediately so upon hitting CTRL+Enter, I get no prompts. Shift+F2, doesn't generate the prompts either. - -- A. Curtis Martin List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) Using The Bat! (v1.53bis) [OS: Windows 2000 (Service Pack 2)] - 'Sorrow looks back, worry looks around, faith looks up.' __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build/06) Comment: Public Key available at http://key.ac-martin.com iQA/AwUBOyiPilfJ62ArBxfiEQLrvQCg40cSTJrwcbDqqxQ1Z42l9VNRigoAnikY aUDG+xcf8IC6f3OzXJ625jnQ =lx3v -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! v1.53 now released.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie! On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 12:18:49 PM you wrote: CTRL+Enter was recently made to obey the delivery settings in the account options. This probably started at that point. I deliver messages immediately so upon hitting CTRL+Enter, I get no prompts. Shift+F2, doesn't generate the prompts either. 1. The behaviour started with 1.53bis, definitely on my machine that is. 2. I use two accounts extensively, both with the same settings as far as this bug is concerned (deferred and auto-save at 10 sec). 3. I got hit regularly on the account I currently use (this one), only it hits every second or third trial (much more every second). 4. A few minutes ago I wrote half a dozen complex and long mails in the other account, and I could send with no problem. 5. Regardless of the sending method used the save query is annoying and dangerous as I elaborated earlier. 6. Ctrl+Enter is far easier to reach than Shift+F2. 7. It hits me even when I use the tool bar button. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53bis Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Die Trunkenheit vermehrt schön zwei schöne Dinge - Mut und Liebe. (Jean Paul) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOyiMUvTo1oA8g8dLEQKfxQCgn0NJkC9OZUKuPCZ54cSjWtQBmRMAn16O aS2VKiLqm+nxRE8FL5mex+07 =M+3Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
And another one for Auto-Save
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello TBUDL Members! I just opened the message editor to reply to a mail from Allie, but then decided I leave it. Without anything done in the message I cancelled it. When I - now a a regular habit! - had a look into my Outbox, there sat a drafted message to Allie on the list. It was a version of the message I didn't write. Well, first thing now is to disable Auto-save. Let's see what will become of it ... - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53bis Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Only the strong survive. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOyiN1/To1oA8g8dLEQLofwCgkgg55lVMyiufWbGLDphpsWGvq+MAoKLQ OO5c/QhdTN14EfSYUhdJXTOd =Md3N -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Send mail/Query bug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello TBUDL Members! If no one mentioned it, yet, or even if it was mentioned already: A drafted message does not get send. the bug gets more and more dangerous -it is not just annoying as some users stated! And with Auto-save off, you get queried every time for deferred sending. If this message is not PGP-signed you have another problem with this drafting. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53bis Windows 95 4.0 1212 C In politics, stupidity is not a handicap. (Napoleon Bonaparte) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOyiPMPTo1oA8g8dLEQJ57QCaAkE/ddNSWtaqgfCpvLUZ16SOdQEAoItl FhymJP6BrF7TrTALfJnUqlnG =YRIs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! v1.53 now released.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:05:05 +0200, Dierk thoughtfully wrote the following: ... DH 1. The behaviour started with 1.53bis, definitely on my machine that DH is. DH 2. I use two accounts extensively, both with the same settings as far DH as this bug is concerned (deferred and auto-save at 10 sec). DH 3. I got hit regularly on the account I currently use (this one), only DH it hits every second or third trial (much more every second). DH 4. A few minutes ago I wrote half a dozen complex and long mails in DH the other account, and I could send with no problem. The queries appear only when you try to send the message in a modified state. Since you auto-save every ten seconds, it's more likely that the message was auto-saved before you hit CTRL+Enter. - -- A. Curtis Martin List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) Using The Bat! (v1.53bis) [OS: Windows 2000 (Service Pack 2)] - 'Floggings will continue until morale improves.' __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build/06) Comment: Public Key available at http://key.ac-martin.com iQA/AwUBOyids1fJ62ArBxfiEQKiBgCeMqDDdT/5AnqShvhNYcalVJ4mjkkAn1/v Oy0UQEMaAzjtBNTxNvaCVA52 =V20C -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Complete crash .. vanished
Hello Thomas, on 13.06.2001 you wrote about 'Complete crash after clicking mailto': No such problem here. There is a mailto link somewhere (I think in the registry), maybe someone else can help how it has to be set. I just upgraded to TB! 1.53 yesterday and since then the problem has vanished. I didn't make any additional changes, so I still don't know what happened. But as everything is back to normal now I'm happy. :-) -- Have a nice day Hendrik Thaer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** using TB! 1.53 ** ** on Windows 98, V 4.10 built 1998 ** -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: And another one for Auto-Save
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:11:33 +0200, Dierk thoughtfully wrote the following: ... DH I just opened the message editor to reply to a mail from Allie, but DH then decided I leave it. Without anything done in the message I DH cancelled it. When I - now a a regular habit! - had a look into my DH Outbox, there sat a drafted message to Allie on the list. It was a DH version of the message I didn't write. Firstly, you must have modified the message in some way for a draft to be saved. I have never been able to get an autosave done on a message that has never been modified. The next thing is that it's strange that the prompt to delete the draft didn't appear upon cancelling the message. The prompt didn't appear for me. Just now, I hit cancel for this message and the prompts appeared!! Go figure. It makes me wonder if the prompts to save appear after a certain number of autosaves. shrug -- A. Curtis Martin List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) Using The Bat! (v1.53bis) [OS: Windows 2000 (Service Pack 2)] - 'I am in total control, but don't tell my wife.' __ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: And another one for Auto-Save
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:40:33 -0500, Allie contributed this to our collective wisdom: ... ACM Just now, I hit cancel for this message and the prompts appeared!! Go ACM figure. It makes me wonder if the prompts to save appear after a certain ACM number of autosaves. shrug To answer myself: The prompts appear upon cancelling the message, *only* when the message is in a modified state. - -- A. Curtis Martin List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) Using The Bat! (v1.53bis) [OS: Windows 2000 (Service Pack 2)] - 'The buck doesn't even slow down here!' __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build/06) Comment: Public Key available at http://key.ac-martin.com iQA/AwUBOyiqllfJ62ArBxfiEQLtVACfcvpINthet4udX8rVtiRoUtmLgDoAoMdB tAMRKhD6fdDA1fv/PStp/XQJ =tS3A -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Bug: Connection center, good bye
Are you sure that you didn't just accidentally move it somewhere out of reach=3F Try to select Move from the menu and then use arrows on keyboard to move it. It might work. That was first I tried, Jernej. Uselessly. Additionally, since a window cannot be moved totally offscreen (a part of the caption will be visible always), hardly I could move it so far. And well, I never moved it... La'ng Attila D., iro [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lad.rentahost.net -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
TB! V1.53 - bis version?
Hello TBUDListers. Do the threads concerning the auto-save/save-as-draft/deferred send relate only to the bis version? And, oh BTW, what is a bis version? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.53/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Search option from System tray icon
Hello TBUDL, What I want is a right click context menu call to TB's search feature from the system tray icon. This exists for the AB but *not* for search. This what I currently do: TB! is reduced to System Tray icon NO New Mail Ticker not displaying I need to search message database to locate a previous message I right click on task bar icon and select restore. F7 opens the program wide Search Window I focus message finder on desired folder and enter search parameters. ALL I want to do is remove the fourth step and make fifth step a choice on the right click context menu SO the steps would be like this: TB! is reduced to System Tray icon NO New Mail Ticker not displaying I need to search message database to locate a previous message. I right click on task bar icon and select search or message find to open message finder window. I focus message finder on desired folder and enter search parameters. Would anyone else find this useful? -- Cheers, David mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Assistant Systems Librarian --- Thought for the email: I took a speed reading course and read War and Peace in 20 minutes. It involves Russia. Woody Allen --- Using The Bat! 1.53bis S/N 7EBC9CD5 under Windows NT Build 1381 (Service Pack 6) on a Pentium with 128MB -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
1.53bis of June, 14
Hello All, Because the number of complaints about redundant prompt when queuing messages, another version 1.53bis was released. Please download it from The Bat! official home page - http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/ Please excuse us for such inconvenience, but it seemed to require a quick fix... -- Cheers, Stefan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Do not disturb. Already disturbed! -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
How to download old/read messages from the server ?
Hello, Subj, e.g. I've used my webmail for sometime before I've installed thebat and would like to download old/read messages. I was experimenting with changing the time at my computer - but it did not work. If thebat really determines the new messages by message id, then may be it is somehow possible to force thebat to check even old/read messages ? Thank you Sergey -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! V1.53 - bis version?
Hello Jan, On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 4:12:44 PM you wrote (at least in part): JR Do the threads concerning the auto-save/save-as-draft/deferred send relate JR only to the bis version? Yes. JR And, oh BTW, what is a bis version? If the program were from a german company I'd presume BIS zur nächsten Version what does mean 'til nex version in english .-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.53bis on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) Men still remember the first kiss after women have forgotten the last. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Sergey, On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 15:41:09 +0400, Sergey [S] wrote concerning 'How to download old/read messages from the server ?': S If thebat really determines the new messages by message id, S then may be it is somehow possible to force thebat to check S even old/read messages ? You can use the mail dispatcher for that. Just go to Account | Dispatch mail on server | All messages. Then you can mark all the messages you want to download as 'receive'. When you click on Start transfer TB! downloads the messages. - -- Best regards, David ** 007 of Borg: Assimilate and Let Die. ** [TB! 1.53bis] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 05 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBOyjJMlK9yf5+yp9NEQJNrACgxr4IbOSOvRumhAFJC0qx8rckMVEAoInx CvqvAthV7igmgiEYTXuUrGrP =KFMb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 14, 2001, at 4:41:09 AM -0700, Sergey wrote: Subj, e.g. I've used my webmail for sometime before I've installed thebat and would like to download old/read messages. Have you tried the Mail Dispatcher via Account/Dispatch Mail on Server/All Messages? Are all the read messages still on the Server? If so, then by unchecking the Read status, you should be able to re-download the messages again into TB!. - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- SecureBat! v1.53/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOyjajMUChHR7o/3OEQIPvQCg9AmDSxtT2y1k4qWbQTgckdjAMekAn0Yv CNhYnKsjFTtAZEzL9BwH8ERI =giKJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! V1.53 - bis version?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter! On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 5:12:00 PM you wrote: JR And, oh BTW, what is a bis version? If the program were from a german company I'd presume BIS zur nächsten Version what does mean 'til nex version in english .-) Another way to say It's an improved (second) version. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53bis Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Beauty is only skin deep. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOyjOV/To1oA8g8dLEQLqSgCglwdAlSb5593xJPXw2OvshBqcawkAn0pA AWojuXnebvwNxWg1l4PWcEbj =UuxH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 14, 2001, at 8:24:46 AM -0700, David van Zuijlekom wrote: I'm just curious, but what is it about your message David that wouldn't allow it to be threaded to the initial message on this Thread? I can plainly see you have the correct In-Reply-To: header and the correct Subject: header, so regardless whether you view Threads by Subject or Reference Number, your message should have been threaded correctly but it was not on my install in which I view Threads by Subject. - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- SecureBat! v1.53/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOyjdRMUChHR7o/3OEQJs6wCdG5R24brIW5P+tXEXGtITYgQdXtIAnisP 3Zg9WwC3vRVF4ymerzTKpaA7 =WDth -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Send mail/Query bug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 14, 2001, at 4:17:19 AM -0700, Dierk Haasis wrote: If no one mentioned it, yet, or even if it was mentioned already: A drafted message does not get send. Dierk, why would you want to send a Draft? A Draft is just that... an incomplete message, but once you complete it and send it to the Outbox, does it not get sent then? - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- SecureBat! v1.53/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOyjemcUChHR7o/3OEQKI0gCbBT+Eg42Zoca+B/JrPc5hRnqmmaMAn31m RJU+GOq+az6BXp2uX4GSTIG6 =42C2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Syncing with Palm address book
Hi John, On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, at 11:22:04 [GMT +0900] (which was 03:22 in London) you wrote: JTT Hello Randy; JTT Not sure if this is what you're looking for or not, but you could JTT export your address book to a csv files and then import it to the Palm JTT DeskTop program. I assume that would work the other way too? ie. I use palm and have a lot of contacts on it so could convert to cvs and then import to bat? -- thanks, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 13, 2001, at 11:49:07 PM -0700, Thomas F wrote: This doesn't seem right. NA It does if you wanted the message saved, instead of being sent. No. If you wanted to save it as draft, you would have clicked the icon save draft and not put letter in outbox. That is not what Dwight did. TB! asked him if he wanted to Save the Message, and he answered Yes, and the message was therefore put in the Outbox and saved. What's the problem? I am greatly annoyed by this additional unwanted and unnecessary query. I don't understand what the problem is. If you wanted the message saved, then it's saved in the Outbox as a Draft... there is no other way a saved message is stored. - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- SecureBat! v1.53/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOyjgK8UChHR7o/3OEQI8qQCfQEVvv21dlhhZTFXwCxKjOhtoAbYAn3mP 7Y6ZDO1SoQu3s4AtQJduqCTY =UkpJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick, On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 08:50:30 -0700, Nick Andriash [NA] wrote concerning ' How to download old/read messages from the server ?': NA I'm just curious, but what is it about your message David that wouldn't NA allow it to be threaded to the initial message on this Thread? I can NA plainly see you have the correct In-Reply-To: header and the correct NA Subject: header, so regardless whether you view Threads by Subject or NA Reference Number, your message should have been threaded correctly but it NA was not on my install in which I view Threads by Subject. Strange, it is threading like it should over here. I thread by references BTW. - -- Best regards, David ** Headline - Sex Education Delayed, Teachers Request Training. ** [TB! 1.53bis] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 05 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBOyjTa1K9yf5+yp9NEQJCCwCgyW6NyZcGb6UIY217rGsSzw5DnrcAmgMc wQRj9oooFbXFhP9qg4LiQnJN =uhrA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 14, 2001, at 3:12:01 AM -0700, A Curtis Martin wrote: The problem now seems to be with deferred deliveries. There are two ways of deferring. You could hit Shift+F2 which works just fine, i.e., the message is placed in the outbox and drafts removed, no prompts appearing. However, if you use CTRL+Enter, pop-ups appear asking questions about saving. Not on my install. I have Auto-Save enabled,, and if I choose Deferred for delivery, construct a message and hit Ctrl/Enter, the message is immediately placed in the Outbox, ready for delivery. There are no pop-ups asking me about saving the message. - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- SecureBat! v1.53/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOyjiY8UChHR7o/3OEQKEHQCg+waYE6WlxKftbfKJzwsDcKulRFcAnA4F yS8sWNHYI4sRPvJEsVEQGyim =3Sw7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 14, 2001, at 9:08:22 AM -0700, David van Zuijlekom wrote: Strange, it is threading like it should over here. I thread by references BTW. Nope, not here. Even this message I'm replying to was off on it's own, and it only appears to be your messages that are behaving like this. There has to be something either with my install or yours, that is preventing the proper threading of messages by Subject... yet the Subjects are letter for letter the same. shrug When I reply to your messages, they are properly threaded to the original, but none of your messages are properly threaded to *their* original. ?? - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- SecureBat! v1.53/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOyjjPsUChHR7o/3OEQItxgCfTms6mSwtt69uTMCX6+UBeAWKmWoAoIvb gAXi8N+7tQqHPelZhb6+9xrK =jcMs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Flagging folders containing flagged messages
DH Even if this is not TBBETA I sent another Me too. It was always DH annoying me that I had to mark a message unread to see with one glance DH which folder has important messages in it. I raised this issue last week I think and agree entirely that it would be useful. (I add this only in the hope that if enough users 'flag' the issue the coding might be changed ;-) -- thanks, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox
On Thursday, June 14, 2001, 11:02:52 AM, Nick Andriash wrote: No. If you wanted to save it as draft, you would have clicked the icon save draft and not put letter in outbox. That is not what Dwight did. TB! asked him if he wanted to Save the Message, and he answered Yes, and the message was therefore put in the Outbox and saved. What's the problem? The problem was that I was trying to send, not mark as draft. And the problem was that even when said don't save message still was treated as a draft. Since there is apparently a fix (I'm about to try to download it again (I was surprised it didn't get a new name so one could tell them apart)) this thread is probably soon to be consigned to the pet cemtery--large animal section. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53bis on Windows 98 version 4,90 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! V1.53 - bis version?
Hello Dierk, On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 5:46:45 PM you wrote (at least in part): DH Another way to say It's an improved (second) version. Maybe it's only another impressive version? Who want's to tell he/she was not impressed by this much mysterious happenings? :-))) OK, I know I'm getting straight OT. I'll stop immediately :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.53bis on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) Ummm U Ug... I rule and you don't. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Downloading in Europe
I've downloaded lots of Bat versions in the last one and half year, releases and betas, but 1.53 is the slowest. Not while running, while downloading. Why should I download a Moldavian software to my Hungarian machine from Chicago? I like Chicago when watching ER, but isn't there a server closer to the majority of users? Some months ago, there was yet. I stopped downloading and went to the ftp server. Pretty much faster, I say. Moldavia is just a jump of a kitten from here. La'ng Attila D., iro [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lad.rentahost.net -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Downloading in Europe
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Lang Attila D. wrote: I've downloaded lots of Bat versions in the last one and half year, releases and betas, but 1.53 is the slowest. Not while running, while downloading. Why should I download a Moldavian software to my Hungarian machine from Chicago? I like Chicago when watching ER, but isn't there a server closer to the majority of users? Some months ago, there was yet. I stopped downloading and went to the ftp server. Pretty much faster, I say. Moldavia is just a jump of a kitten from here. You can try ftp://ftp.gin.cz/pub/mswindows/the_bat/ in Czech republic. -- Bye Marek Mikus \---/ |Marek Mikus| | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --- | ISP IPEX s.r.o. | | 05/452 451 11 | |www.gin.cz | /---\ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! v1.53 now released.
Hi A, On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, at 06:19:15 [GMT -0500] (which was 12:19 in London) you wrote: ACM On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:05:05 +0200, Dierk thoughtfully wrote the ACM following: ACM ... DH 1. The behaviour started with 1.53bis, definitely on my machine that DH is. DH 2. I use two accounts extensively, both with the same settings as far DH as this bug is concerned (deferred and auto-save at 10 sec). DH 3. I got hit regularly on the account I currently use (this one), only DH it hits every second or third trial (much more every second). DH 4. A few minutes ago I wrote half a dozen complex and long mails in DH the other account, and I could send with no problem. ACM The queries appear only when you try to send the message in a modified ACM state. Since you auto-save every ten seconds, it's more likely that the ACM message was auto-saved before you hit CTRL+Enter. Probably like others I was concerned about how to do the update. In the past updating has been really difficult. Do you install over the old version etc? (there's no help on the faq page) I have to say that this time was the easiest install by far I upgraded from 1.51 to 1.53 and it was s smooth, it knew where the bat was and installed over the old version like a dream. well done guys. -- thanks, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick! On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 6:12:25 PM you wrote: Not on my install. I have Auto-Save enabled,, and if I choose Deferred for delivery, construct a message and hit Ctrl/Enter, the message is immediately placed in the Outbox, ready for delivery. There are no pop-ups asking me about saving the message. Nick, you are coming in. The problem started with 1.53bis. You are using SecureBat 1.53. Now you may begin to see what (has?) troubled Thomas, Dwight, me and some others. As Dwight said, when I want to send a message (regardless which way), I want to send it - not save it. And this is not just a linguistic or philosophic discussion. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53bis Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Je weniger Ahnung jemand hat, desto mehr Spektakel macht er, und ein desto höheres Gehalt verlangt er. (Mark Twain) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOyjgu/To1oA8g8dLEQKDSQCgv6J8YLs9EINOAudWiJtFhLjepHsAoMla mvCUhTWZrqPMkq5VG6CV05VZ =q9dt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
threads again
Hi thebat, Mainly from reading tbudl, I've noticed the sub discussions which start within a thread, these can be really interesting but is it possible to sort them in the same way we see the mail thread? So we see the '+' for the main thread and then with in the thread another '+' where the sub discussion starts? this may not be possible and I've seen the numbers in the subject line which denote these discussions. -- thanks, andrew mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://at.omic.co.uk Using The Bat! v1.53bis on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Send mail/Query bug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick! On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 5:56:11 PM you wrote: A drafted message does not get send. Dierk, why would you want to send a Draft? A Draft is just that... an incomplete message, but once you complete it and send it to the Outbox, does it not get sent then? Nick, that was my point. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53bis Windows 95 4.0 1212 C All our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike - - and yet it is the most precious thing we have. (Albert Einstein) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOyjfufTo1oA8g8dLEQKohgCeOmNj7mbHlvaBVqYLGAWI9sz3NNsAn3Ef 59tOdIZi+i27J8ViiU1sDWFY =5CFg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: threads again
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 14, 2001, at 10:18:35 AM -0700, andrew wrote: Mainly from reading tbudl, I've noticed the sub discussions which start within a thread, these can be really interesting but is it possible to sort them in the same way we see the mail thread? So we see the '+' for the main thread and then with in the thread another '+' where the sub discussion starts? Thread by References should accomplish that, unless by sub discussions you mean when someone has started a new discussion stemming from the old thread. In that case, no, TB! will not be able to link the two threads together. However, I have a feeling that if you thread by Reference, you will get what you want. - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- SecureBat! v1.53/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOyjzW8UChHR7o/3OEQLVBgCguyzHVCS0z8rV61eHp/FN4CAZtMwAniqj /rvqCAFT1Rs0s7AFZlfiVx6R =fqXR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, June 14, 2001, at 9:16:00 AM PDT, Nick Andriash wrote: NA On June 14, 2001, at 9:08:22 AM -0700, David van Zuijlekom wrote: Strange, it is threading like it should over here. I thread by references BTW. NA Nope, not here. Even this message I'm replying to was off on it's own, NA and it only appears to be your messages that are behaving like this. Hello Nick, I'm noticing the same thing with David's messages of this subject (I thread by subject as well). Each of David's messages starts a new thread. NA When I reply to your messages, they are properly threaded to the NA original, but none of your messages are properly threaded to *their* NA original. ?? A little twist... Your replies to David's new thread messages are displayed here connected to his new threads - not to the original. I have no idea where this one will end up. :-) Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP_Keys_2Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Personal Security 7.0.3 iQA/AwUBOyjzi0YOB3eaKL/6EQKe9gCgjKBAYrkJZM7I2dy1Fiw9eIhzAWsAn2iD 5qrNI8AH5/HSKMm0nNuFmUAH =WRYu -END PGP SIGNATURE- _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 14, 2001, at 10:05:13 AM -0700, Dierk Haasis wrote: Nick, you are coming in. The problem started with 1.53bis. You are using SecureBat 1.53. Yes, I made that mistake initially, but I also tested the feature with TB! 1.53bis. I have deferred sending, and Auto-Save enabled. When I construct a message, and hit Ctrl/Enter, I am asked if I want the message saved, to which I answer No, and the message is thus placed in my Outbox, ready for delivery... and is not saved. If instead of Ctrl/Enter I simply hit the Put the Letter in Outbox icon, again I'm asked if I want it saved, to which I again answer No... and the message again is placed in the Outbox ready for delivery. I am not experiencing any problems with the feature. When Saved, the message is indeed saved in the Outbox... properly flagged as such. I suppose I just don't understand where the problem lies. :o( - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- SecureBat! v1.53/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOyj2dsUChHR7o/3OEQLjmgCeLA0cWOPqYuQ0OEQjyrk2ud8U6fAAnjg9 FPsazvQd3ifBqR36kbhpAiV0 =1YO/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 14, 2001, at 10:25:50 AM -0700, Melissa wrote: A little twist... Your replies to David's new thread messages are displayed here connected to his new threads - not to the original. I have no idea where this one will end up. :-) Not sure I follow you here Melissa. :o( On my install, all my replies to David are threaded only to the one message I'm replying to, and right now I show two separate threads, one of which contains your message I'm replying to now. There just *has* to be something about his messages that will not allow proper threading by Subject, but be darned if I can find the reason. - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- SecureBat! v1.53/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOyj3j8UChHR7o/3OEQLsPwCgkjYPgmKhz9ePuTIg9SrZLxVib1MAnRXV iJUlGWcGIEbu72EGzs8ARE2S =83z+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Send mail/Query bug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 14, 2001, at 10:00:55 AM -0700, Dierk Haasis wrote: Dierk, why would you want to send a Draft? A Draft is just that... an incomplete message, but once you complete it and send it to the Outbox, does it not get sent then? Nick, that was my point. Please state it again. I'm reading the fact that you have Deferred Sending, and when asked if you want the Draft saved, it in fact is saved, and not sent. Are you now saying that you want the Draft/Saved message sent as well? - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- SecureBat! v1.53/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOyj4McUChHR7o/3OEQK8ygCgtjawMcxnwOH+pITaRkGhn9xrBgMAoNGB U0mABuqV3seHwapzfffaHOCw =L21v -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: How to download old/read messages from the server ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hail Nick On 14 June 2001 at 10:42:39 -0700 (which was 18:42 where I live) Nick Andriash wrote and made these points A little twist... Your replies to David's new thread messages are displayed here connected to his new threads - not to the original. I have no idea where this one will end up. :-) Not sure I follow you here Melissa. :o( On my install, all my replies to David are threaded only to the one message I'm replying to, and right now I show two separate threads, one of which contains your message I'm replying to now. There just *has* to be something about his messages that will not allow proper threading by Subject, but be darned if I can find the reason. Have a close look at the subject I think that there is an extra space has crept in somewhere. - -- Ti2GO,___ David |MUA- The 1, The Only, The Bat! | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Adv Ser 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | Oxymoron: sensible shoes| -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBOyj5aPmK8eZlD0U0EQKM/wCg1eGlXFYQZ8/Oaer1JJzCmrs1XPcAn0C7 zdLWhcq0QlPxTLl1T6nvGRJq =VmLr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 14, 2001, at 10:50:32 AM -0700, David Elliott wrote: Have a close look at the subject I think that there is an extra space has crept in somewhere. No, the Subjects as seen are identical with the exception of the Re: prefix. The problem with David's messages are the Subject: Headers. The Subject Header in the original message reads like this: Subject: How to download old/read messages from the server ? The Subject Header in David's reply to the original message reads: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6oEhvdyB0byBkb3dubG9hZCBvbGQvcmVhZCBtZXNzYWdlcyBmcm9t?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?IHRoZSBzZXJ2ZXIgPw==?= I have no idea why it's all scrambled like that, but that is why his messages are not threading correctly for those of us that thread by Subject. Perhaps it has something to do with his character set? - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- SecureBat! v1.53/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOyj+IsUChHR7o/3OEQJncQCfVa8rtxt1a91c/2uCMQ4AGeK3pj4An1o3 6ksYj06PQO552ucYWSOo4ngD =zkf6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Strange haeders (was Re[2]: How to download old/read messages from the server ?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings Nick On 14 June 2001 at 11:10:46 -0700 (which was 19:10 where I live) Nick Andriash might have written Have a close look at the subject I think that there is an extra space has crept in somewhere. I view by thread and when I move between messages I see an extra space between the [Re:] and the subject. No, the Subjects as seen are identical with the exception of the Re: prefix. The problem with David's messages are the Subject: Headers. The Subject Header in the original message reads like this: Subject: How to download old/read messages from the server ? The Subject Header in David's reply to the original message reads: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6oEhvdyB0byBkb3dubG9hZCBvbGQvcmVhZCBtZXNzYWdlcyBmcm9t?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?IHRoZSBzZXJ2ZXIgPw==?= I have no idea why it's all scrambled like that, but that is why his messages are not threading correctly for those of us that thread by Subject. Perhaps it has something to do with his character set? Possibly The subject of message before the brake from the header Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6oKBIb3cgdG8gZG93bmxvYWQgb2xkL3JlYWQgbWVzc2FnZXMgZnJv?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?bSB0aGUgc2VydmVyID8=?= but is displayed as Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ? after the break Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IKCgSG93IHRvIGRvd25sb2FkIG9sZC9yZWFkIG1lc3NhZ2VzIGZy?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?b20gdGhlIHNlcnZlciA/?= and displayed as Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ? As you can see there is an extra space - -- HAND, ___ David |MUA- The 1, The Only, The Bat! | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Adv Ser 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | Bill Clinton propositioned this tagline.| -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBOykBJ/mK8eZlD0U0EQJoRQCfdc16Ey6BGymTIp56n203x67YuAsAnjAx 72lYF5u3CdA+AfVTMA5z4YBF =vh/P -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Send mail/Query bug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick! On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 7:45:22 PM you wrote: Please state it again. I'm reading the fact that you have Deferred Sending, and when asked if you want the Draft saved, it in fact is saved, and not sent. Are you now saying that you want the Draft/Saved message sent as well? Deferred sending is a feature used in my case for over a year to hold dial-up costs low. I fetch my mail, go off line, read my mail, answer some of them, write something new and then send all of them at one on line session. So, when I put a letter in the Outbox (Send a message deferred) I explicitly *don't* want a saved draft, but a queued mail reqady to be send over the net. When I stated A draft does not get send it was a matter-of-factly statement about the way TB! works. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53bis Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Education has produced a vast population able to read but unable to distinguish what is worth reading. (G.M. Trevelyan) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOyj0svTo1oA8g8dLEQInXwCePCPIMnh+8W8oXRI5PW6SOYESXhQAn1wN yM9ool9AgKmJtQ/qF4+uqXYP =/vFm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Search option from System tray icon
Hello David, On Thursday, June 14, 2001 15:42:21 [ +0100 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Search option from System tray icon': David What I want is a right click context menu call to TB's search feature David from the system tray icon. This exists for the AB but *not* for David search. [...] Don't forget to send your suggestions directly to the programmers. Click Help -- Feedback -- Suggestions. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.53/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 14, 2001, at 11:36:58 AM, David van Zuijlekom wrote: Yes you're right. I forgot to check it with thread by subject. My messages indeed become unthreaded. It looks like my quick template for stripping the subject-line is not working properly, because it adds spaces between Re: and the actual subject. Look at the subject. Yes, I see the spaces, but those spaces also exist on my Replies, yet they are threaded properly. I still think the problem lies in your Subject Header, which reads like this: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6oCAgSG93IHRvIGRvd25sb2FkIG9sZC9yZWFkIG1lc3NhZ2VzIGZy?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?b20gdGhlIHNlcnZlciA/?= Instead of like this: Subject: Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ? - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- TB! v1.53 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOykIesUChHR7o/3OEQJHSwCghgl/c0tPsSykcg/n/7+Nhls0ftkAoNV8 6ylcWi2HfjsOp+Bz2cy4r55H =SQP5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange haeders (was Re[2]: How to download old/read messages from the server ?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 14, 2001, at 11:50:13 AM, David van Zuijlekom wrote: I checked the headers of your message and those of Nick Andriash, and they both have those sort of scrambled text. Yes, because if I'm replying specifically to your message, TB! should simply take the Subject: Header and apply the Re: Prefix to it. However, Melissa's reply to one of my messages that had such a Header... didn't take on the scrambled looking Subject Header, so I don't know what's going on. - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- TB! v1.53 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOykKk8UChHR7o/3OEQIjSgCfSh9cBo8Son4VshfhuZ9OslZoCFoAoKzq IGUSeQ3IG+il1b0XWuki0EeV =veYa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange haeders (was Re[2]: How to download old/read messages from the server ?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 14, 2001, at 11:23:35 AM, David Elliott wrote: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IKCgSG93IHRvIGRvd25sb2FkIG9sZC9yZWFkIG1lc3NhZ2VzIGZy?= =?ISO-8859-1?B?b20gdGhlIHNlcnZlciA/?= and displayed as Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ? As you can see there is an extra space Yes, I see the space, and I agree that will in fact break a thread if one is threading by Subject. However, having seen the scrambled Subject Headers, they looked immediately suspect but in retrospect, I think you are right... It's the added spaces that are the culprit. So, perhaps David Z. can examine his Reply Template and find where the problem lies. :o) Thanks Mr. Elliot. :o) - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- TB! v1.53 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOykLaMUChHR7o/3OEQIfTgCgslD0T9LbG4cDEWzYzLhpU4f64gYAoN+W 3HT+6Vm9QbNMebHsJT6jBAKN =7JPn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick, On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 11:54:51 -0700, Nick Andriash [NA] wrote concerning ' How to download old/read messages from the server ?': NA Yes, I see the spaces, but those spaces also exist on my Replies, yet they NA are threaded properly. I still think the problem lies in your Subject NA Header, which reads like this: NA Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6oCAgSG93IHRvIGRvd25sb2FkIG9sZC9yZWFkIG1lc3NhZ2VzIGZy?= NA =?ISO-8859-1?B?b20gdGhlIHNlcnZlciA/?= NA Instead of like this: NA Subject: Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ? Yes, but your message has the same headers look: NA Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IKAgIEhvdyB0byBkb3dubG9hZCBvbGQvcmVhZCBtZXNzYWdlcyBm?= NA =?ISO-8859-1?B?cm9tIHRoZSBzZXJ2ZXIgPw==?= - -- Best regards, David ** ---This Tagline is blank to save space--- ** [TB! 1.53bis] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 05 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBOyj94lK9yf5+yp9NEQJEOgCeLeNj6+ksQT7oXlmeG/RGZ8zABX8An2kh WGU+ggSZfI5g24eBeL+MY5/e =LwEK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange haeders (was Re[2]: How to download old/read messages from the server ?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick, On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 12:07:22 -0700, Nick Andriash [NA] wrote concerning 'Strange haeders (was Re[2]: How to download old/read messages from the server ?)': Re: How to download old/read messages from the server ? As you can see there is an extra space NA Yes, I see the space, and I agree that will in fact break a thread if one NA is threading by Subject. However, having seen the scrambled Subject NA Headers, they looked immediately suspect but in retrospect, I think you NA are right... It's the added spaces that are the culprit. So, perhaps David NA Z. can examine his Reply Template and find where the problem lies. :o) No, I don't think so. If I look at this whole thread not my messages are adding a space between the Re: and the subject, but your messages. Have a look at my first reply in this thread. There's only one space between the Re: and How... So I don't think this is the point. It must be something else. - -- Best regards, David ** Warning: Politicians can be hazardous to your wealth. ** [TB! 1.53bis] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 05 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBOykDCVK9yf5+yp9NEQJLYwCguaRAgeybkxyWtjZ5CondpWsxGUwAoMgd nWbWHe/Xq4iZN5QfbRugu1cX =aWAM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange headers
Hello TBUDL, On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:46:01 +0200 (which was 20:46:01 where I live) David van Zuijlekom wrote: NA The Subject Header in David's reply to the original message reads: NA Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6oEhvdyB0byBkb3dubG9hZCBvbGQvcmVhZCBtZXNzYWdlcyBmcm9t?= NA =?ISO-8859-1?B?IHRoZSBzZXJ2ZXIgPw==?= NA I have no idea why it's all scrambled like that, but that is why his NA messages are not threading correctly for those of us that thread by NA Subject. Perhaps it has something to do with his character set? BTW my character set is on Latin-1 (ISO 8859-1). That matches the scrambled text in the subject header. I have no clue why. I checked my archives of the mailingslists and all of my messages have this strange subject headers. Does anybody know what's happening over here? I just noticed the same with my messages. I seems to be a 'problem' (bug?) with the character set. When it is set on none (like this message) the subject in the header should be fine. When it is set to iso-8859-1 you'll send scrambled subjects. Can someone check this? It's scrambled with: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 and not with: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Another thing: I just sent a test msg to myself and I selected ISO-8859-1 as character set, but when I look at the headers of the recieved mail it is set as us-ascii... -- Regards, Devid Verfaillie America is a country which produces citizens who will cross the ocean to fight for democracy but won't cross the street to vote. Using The Bat! v1.52f on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange haeders (was Re[2]: How to download old/read messages from the server ?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 14, 2001, at 12:31:32 PM, David van Zuijlekom wrote: No, I don't think so. If I look at this whole thread not my messages are adding a space between the Re: and the subject, but your messages. Have a look at my first reply in this thread. But David, it's your messages that are not being threaded properly... none of them... in any thread. The problem must lie in your QT or something. I have no such problem with my messages being threaded... at least none that I know of. This whole thing started by me asking why only *your* messages weren't being threaded properly. :o) - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- TB! v1.53 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOykiWcUChHR7o/3OEQI0KQCgpl3s64hBBmK31XjUnvBVvrUROfwAn2Lt gkw7w+UVjnG5rW/V89zhjevO =UKIp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: threads again
Hi Nick, On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, at 10:24:46 [GMT -0700] (which was 18:24 in London) you wrote: NA Thread by References should accomplish that, unless by sub discussions NA you mean when someone has started a new discussion stemming from the old NA thread. In that case, no, TB! will not be able to link the two threads NA together. However, I have a feeling that if you thread by Reference, you NA will get what you want. ahhh ;-) -- thanks, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: threads again
Hi Nick, On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, at 10:24:46 [GMT -0700] (which was 18:24 in London) you wrote: NA Thread by References should accomplish that, unless by sub discussions NA you mean when someone has started a new discussion stemming from the old NA thread. In that case, no, TB! will not be able to link the two threads NA together. However, I have a feeling that if you thread by Reference, you NA will get what you want. I think I'll never ask for anything again ;-) I viewed by reference and it was scarey. I'll never do that again ;-) -- thanks, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange haeders (was Re[2]: How to download old/read messages from the server ?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick, On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 13:45:14 -0700, Nick Andriash [NA] wrote concerning 'Strange haeders (was Re[2]: How to download old/read messages from the server ?)': No, I don't think so. If I look at this whole thread not my messages are adding a space between the Re: and the subject, but your messages. Have a look at my first reply in this thread. NA But David, it's your messages that are not being threaded NA properly... none of them... in any thread. The problem must lie in NA your QT or something. I have no such problem with my messages NA being threaded... at least none that I know of. This whole thing NA started by me asking why only *your* messages weren't being NA threaded properly. :o) I think you misunderstood me. I just wanted to make clear that I don't think the problem lies in the added space. Did you read my second paragraph? When you look at the whole thread (by references) you can see that the added spaces doesn't come from my messages but from your messages. I'm not saying the problem of my messages not threading like it should lies with you, but that it must be something else. I don't now what's wrong with my postings. The subject is identical with yours and it has the correct in reply to and references headers. Can somebody help us out here? - -- Best regards, David ** Runtime Error 6D at 417A:32CF: Incompetent User. ** [TB! 1.53bis] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 05 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBOykdGlK9yf5+yp9NEQLwrACdHLjVSTMBvAz3hoNbWLPRSOGOAjcAoPB3 SbBFtkhSql6ghR8ZC4O6FrJN =ExLh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange Characters (test)
what you find is what you get. here it comes. -- Dwight A Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax:316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange haeders (was Re[2]: How to download old/read messages from the server ?)
Hello TBUDL, On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:22:45 +0200 (which was 23:22:45 where I live) David van Zuijlekom wrote: Can somebody help us out here? I did some testing and I came to this conclusion: - TB! defaults to us-ascii (7-bit encoding) when you don't use any 'special' characters, even when you specify a character set like iso-8859-1. - When using a special character like 'é', TB! switches to 8-bit encoding and iso-8859-1. This can only be seen in the headers of a saved or sent message. It doesn't change 'on the fly' (in the lower right hand corner of a new message screen). - It seems that replying to an 8-bit encoded msg produces an 8-bit encoded reply, even when it's not necessary. All tests done with the setting 8-bit characters are treated without changes. -- Regards, Devid Verfaillie I'm not afraid of work. I can go to sleep right beside it. Using The Bat! v1.52f on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Strange Characters (test)
On Thursday, June 14, 2001, 4:28:38 PM, Dwight A Corrin wrote: what you find is what you get. here it comes. Unless I needed to exit and restart for my choice of character sets to take effect, cannot confirm that the character set is the problem. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53bis on Windows 98 version 4,90 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange haeders (was Re[2]: How to download old/read messages from the server ?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 14, 2001, at 2:22:45 PM, David van Zuijlekom wrote: When you look at the whole thread (by references) you can see that the added spaces doesn't come from my messages but from your messages. Yes, I can see the spaces that were added with my Replies, but I've checked all my other Replies for different Threads altogether, and they don't have the added spaces... Only Replies to your messages have them. I don't know what to suggest David other than looking at your QT that strips away parts of the Subject Header. Try not using that QT for a few messages, and see what happens. - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- TB! v1.53 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOylQqsUChHR7o/3OEQIzFQCggzHZWLs2ZThf6DhE9TNT4rzM/SkAnjfq vfXc1AS4KRM6+i0Eghszbti8 =zlT2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: threads again
On June 14, 2001, at 1:52:25 PM, andrew wrote: I think I'll never ask for anything again ;-) I viewed by reference and it was scarey. I'll never do that again ;-) Is it safe to presume Threading by References was not what you wanted? ;o) -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- TB! v1.53 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) _ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Tb153bis.rar file
Hello TBUDL, When I downloaded the new version of TB yesterday, all the @ symbols next to the accounts disappeared. Since installing the tb153bis.rar file this morning, they have all reappeared. Have I done something wrong or is this normal? Dumb question I know. -- Best regards, Carren mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Unhappy with
Hi TBUDL, Is it possible to go back from 1.53bis to 1.52f without problem? I am not happy. 1. When upgrading, it changed the accounts that were immediate delivery to deferred. [I had to go through the 9 accounts and fix it] 2. When using Special Add sender to addressbook, it opens a window to edit the person. I am not interested in editing the person. I just want them added to the default addressbook. I do that 20 / 30 times a day... [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ REAL PROBLEMS / REAL SOLUTION ISSN: 1492-7829 A free weekly newsletter on Windows and networking email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.911networks.com Copyright 1999-2001 by 911networks.com - All Rights Reserved +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
