Re[4]: Interesting if you have ( ) after a name
Hello Rick, Tuesday, November 20, 2001, 9:26:24 PM, you wrote: SF>> (1) I can't get autocomplete to recognize anything in parentheses. RR> I get autocomplete to work when there is parentheses in a name by RR> first starting the name in the field with " then you can type RR> whatever and do <+> at any time to start the autocomplete. That works for me too. I set up (home) and a (work) address book entries, by default, autocomplete selects the first (home) one. If I then backspace through the "h" in (home), type "w" and hit <+>, autocomplete will select the (work) address. Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- Best regards, Scottmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Let me explain my problem...
Hi Tor, On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:06:11 +0100GMT (21/11/2001, 01:06 +0800GMT), Tor Tveitane wrote: TT> Would it be possible to configure/setup The Bat to 'serve' 20 different TT> users in a scenario like this? Yes, see the other postings. TT> If yes, how do I set it up, and would it be possible to do TT> something with my 'POP3 quiz' question to have The Bat force the TT> server to actually delete each received message from the server TT> and not wait until all messages are (eventually) transferred... As already advised in the earlier thread, this cannot be forced by the client. TB already does the correct thing and sends the DELE command to the server after each message download. We have learned from Marck in the earlier thread that MDaemon - a server - has an option to delete messages when the DELE command is received, even though this contradicts the RFC's. You want to look into this on the server side, I think it would be very useful for you. TT> Thanks for comments on this and apologize for this long post. Complex issues sometimes need lengthy explanations. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53t under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
Hi Dierk, On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:01:50 +0100GMT (21/11/2001, 00:01 +0800GMT), Dierk Haasis wrote: >> That would work - translations of "sex" and "money" would probably >> catch 95 per cent of spam ;) DH> I bet it would get 100%, but it doesn't matter how good it works DH> positively. No, I just received a spam message about a diet. No sex was required, so I deleted it. You lost the bet. DH> You have to take into account its negative: How many percent of DH> legitimate - and maybe wanted - messages get caught? You are right. 50% of my private messages are about either sex or money, or the combination of both. DH> In this special case - presumed the receiver doesn't even speak/read a DH> language - any message in this language can be positively deleted. DH> None of them would be alright. As long as no one tries to send him a DH> message containing some of the trigger words (e.g. "money" or "sex" in DH> Turkish) Just a hint: "sex" in Turkish is "sex", like in most other languages I know. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53t under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: Interesting if you have ( ) after a name
Scott, On Tuesday, November 20, 2001, 11:31:51 PM, you wrote: SF> Hello Thomas, SF> Monday, November 19, 2001, 9:55:59 PM, you wrote: TF>> Hi Scott, TF>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:32:13 -0800GMT (20/11/2001, 13:32 +0800GMT), TF>> Scott Frederick wrote: SF>>> I think that what you are trying to do is add a comment to an address. TF>> No, the "real name" part of the email address can be in quote marks. TF>> In fact, if it contains special characters like "." - and I am nto TF>> sure about the parenthesis - the real name part *must* be enclosed in TF>> quote marks. SF>>> RFC 822 calls for comments in header fields to be enclosed between SF>>> matching parentheses *not* within a quoted string. TF>> I will read up when I have the time. But we are talking about TF>> different things, I think. SF>>> I will try it out. TF>> Let me know the otucome. SF> I have found out these things. SF> (1) I can't get autocomplete to recognize anything in parentheses. I get autocomplete to work when there is parentheses in a name by first starting the name in the field with " then you can type whatever and do <+> at any time to start the autocomplete. SF> (2) If you add a comment (in parentheses) to an address entry The Bat! SF> automatically brackets the name with quotes. SF> Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Rick --- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Let me explain my problem...
Hi Roelof, On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:00:55 +0100GMT (21/11/2001, 08:00 +0800GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: TT>> The POP3 mbx it need to check will have msgs for all users (user1..user20). I want to ask here again: There is one laptop in the bush, and it downloads the messages for all 20 users, and then deletes all messages on the server. All users use only this one laptop. Correct? RO> Regardless of your e-mail client it's better to create 20 mailboxes at RO> your server. [Procedure snipped] I agree with Roloef here. The smaller the units you download, the less you have to download "again" after a connection break. TT>> All messages should be fetched when connecting to the TT>> server regardless of which user who actually connects. When the msgs arrive, TT>> they should be routed to the corresponding account/profile RO> That can be done by TB. Seperate accounts in TB (which you could use in cooperation with seperate POP3 boxes on the server) can have completely different profiles. If you use only one TB account, each user can have his own folder, with %From set individually. However, seperate accounts is better. TT>> Each user should have their own account/profile (own reply-to TT>> address, inbox folder, sent items folder, any any personal TT>> folders) RO> Can be done with TB. Both with seperate accounts as well as with seperate folders. The individual folders in a one-account system would be named after the user, and he can have subfolders, no problem. TT>> and they should have to login with their username/pwd at program start. OK, this is what you can do only if you have seperate accounts. You can set access passwords in the main menu under Account / Set Access Password. This will not be aksed when you open TB, but when you open the account, which is fine. This way, TB can keep running, and whoever is on the machine, opens his account, does his mail thingy, and closes it. RO> Neither am I sure about the possibility of downloading mail for an RO> account you don't have access rights, maybe somebody else can let his RO> light shine upon that matter. Good question, I pass. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53t under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Interesting if you have ( ) after a name
Hello Thomas, Monday, November 19, 2001, 9:55:59 PM, you wrote: TF> Hi Scott, TF> On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:32:13 -0800GMT (20/11/2001, 13:32 +0800GMT), TF> Scott Frederick wrote: SF>> I think that what you are trying to do is add a comment to an address. TF> No, the "real name" part of the email address can be in quote marks. TF> In fact, if it contains special characters like "." - and I am nto TF> sure about the parenthesis - the real name part *must* be enclosed in TF> quote marks. SF>> RFC 822 calls for comments in header fields to be enclosed between SF>> matching parentheses *not* within a quoted string. TF> I will read up when I have the time. But we are talking about TF> different things, I think. SF>> I will try it out. TF> Let me know the otucome. I have found out these things. (1) I can't get autocomplete to recognize anything in parentheses. (2) If you add a comment (in parentheses) to an address entry The Bat! automatically brackets the name with quotes. Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- Best regards, Scottmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
importing from an address ini file?
I have serveral names recorded in the address book as first: John, Last: Doe (work). The problem is when I export this file to an ini file and then get the file at home and import from it it ends up setting those fields up as first: John, middle: Doe, last: (work). How come it doens't keep "Doe (work)" on the same line for last name? Thanks, Rick --- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Of Interest? - TB! Reviewed...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mark, On 20 November 2001 at 23:41:10 [GMT+] (which was 23:41 where I live) Mark R Harding wrote to TBUDL and made these points: MRH> .. "The Bat! 1.53" is reviewed in the UK's ".net" magazine (a MRH> print publication where ".net" means the net in general and not MRH> the more recent Microsoft project.) and is given a pretty fair MRH> assessment with a satisfyingly good score as well. MRH> The review is in the January 2002 issue (yep - you read that MRH> right, where do these dates come from?) on page 112. It's out now? Excellent. It should be on the cover disk too. I must go get a copy. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / ' TB! v1.54/10e-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7+wwROeQkq5KdzaARAhiaAJ9lO0qvxGF6mA9Xhr7fFWgpPT+dkgCbBdTk zavr41S9UZUdi8J2RTF7An8= =fXvm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Let me explain my problem...
Hello Tor, On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:06:11 +0100GMT (20-11-01, 18:06 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: TT> I winder if The Bat might be a suitable email client out in the bush instead TT> of OE. It is, regardless of your location. TT> The POP3 mbx it need to check will have msgs for all users (user1..user20). That's a bad thing. Since the deleting is actually done by the server and might depend on the downloading of all messages. Regardless of your e-mail client it's better to create 20 mailboxes at your server. Create those same accounts with your client. Set your client to download all of your accounts. The Bat! checks every account, but one after another. (IIRC Outbreak Express does the same.) Let's say that every account has two messages and that your connection lasts long enough for 29 messages. Since the accounts are checked one after another that means you've got 14 mailboxes empty and whatever client you use, those 28 msgs are deleted by the server. That's one msg that's got transported twice, but that's a big advantage. TT> All messages should be fetched when connecting to the TT> server regardless of which user who actually connects. When the msgs arrive, TT> they should be routed to the corresponding account/profile That can be done by TB. If you use multiple mailboxes, than it's done automatically. If you use one mailbox, it can be configured with filters. (Let's say I prefer the multiple mailbox very, very much.) TT> Each user should have their own account/profile (own reply-to TT> address, inbox folder, sent items folder, any any personal TT> folders) Can be done with TB. TT> and they should have to login with their username/pwd at program start. I'm not sure how the access passwords have to be handled in TB. There's an option, but I've never used it. (Single user in a single household. ) Neither am I sure about the possibility of downloading mail for an account you don't have access rights, maybe somebody else can let his light shine upon that matter. -- Groetjes, Roelof -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Of Interest? - TB! Reviewed...
Hi TBUDL, Couldn't see mention of this recently in the list so I hope I'm not repeating anyone else but my apologies if I am - I've been unable to monitor the list too closely recently. Anyway, the point is that "The Bat! 1.53" is reviewed in the UK's ".net" magazine (a print publication where ".net" means the net in general and not the more recent Microsoft project.) and is given a pretty fair assessment with a satisfyingly good score as well. The review is in the January 2002 issue (yep - you read that right, where do these dates come from?) on page 112. Best Wishes, Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.54/10 Windows NT 5 0 2195 Service Pack 2 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics & Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: SSH
Hi Bat users! Now that we are at it, when I first installed TB I looked and hope to find an option to call an external application to send mail (like 'sendmail'), if that where possible (which isn't), then the SSH dude could do something like: ssh -l me -h somecoolhost:port sendmail -- you@someotherhost Or something like that... I used to use that commnand with MUTT (MUA under Linux) and it worked great, as for POP3 I would use ssh and fetchmail. Roberto -- Roberto Machorro Tuesday, November 20, 2001, 7:32:20 AM, you wrote: LEM> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:56:08PM +0100, Peter Palmreuther wrote: >> but I seriously doubt one would make such an effort necessary to >> tunnel POP3 and/or SMTP through _SSH_. Quite much easier to set up >> is POP3/SMTP-though-SSL. LEM> Through SSL needs "support" from the admin of the server (if it is LEM> behind a "rigorous" firewall). Trough SSH doesn't, if you already have LEM> shell access through SSH to that machine... So SSH tunneling _is_ LEM> easier if the machine admin is not cooperative. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 at 23:52 GMT +0100 (11/20/2001 5:52 PM where I live) "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [Jernej] wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] re: 'filtering on language': Jernej> You'd probably loose a lot of messages, as many are Jernej> written in ISO-8859-x, and in different Windows- Jernej> encodings... OK, thanks for helping me understand. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54/10/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: filtering on language
Hello Jan, 20. november 2001, 23:01:58, you wrote: JR> So this is not something that is set by the email client JR> automatically? Would it be safe for me to assume that if JR> this guy is using a Turkish email program that it would JR> just be set up that way or if he was using a non-Turkish JR> email client that he would have to set something that JR> would reveal the language setting? You usually set the default encoding, but not necessary. Some mailers automatically set the encoding to the corresponding Windows codepage. JR> So you are saying that I could also lose a lot of English JR> msgs as well if I start fooling around with this idea as JR> a filter? You'd probably loose a lot of messages, as many are written in ISO-8859-x, and in different Windows- encodings... -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54/10e on Windows 98 4.10.67766222. ] What you don't know will always hurt you. -- Law of Blissful Ignorance -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
Hello Jernej. At 1:19 PM on Tuesday, November 20, 2001 you wrote the following on the posted subject 'filtering on language': Jernej> Check this message. It's encoding is ISO-8859-2 Found it. Jernej> Many users don't even know how to set character Jernej> encoding. So this is not something that is set by the email client automatically? Would it be safe for me to assume that if this guy is using a Turkish email program that it would just be set up that way or if he was using a non-Turkish email client that he would have to set something that would reveal the language setting? Jernej> Besides, with ISO-8859-x encodings you can still Jernej> write English - just look at this message. The only Jernej> thing that differs is the display of special Jernej> characters, like čšž... So you are saying that I could also lose a lot of English msgs as well if I start fooling around with this idea as a filter? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54/10/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SSH
On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 05:25:47PM +0100, Peter Palmreuther wrote: > LEM> So SSH tunneling _is_ easier if the machine admin is not > LEM> cooperative. > But how would you tunnel a POP3 request through SSH? ssh remote_user@remote_host -L 7485:remote_host:110 and enter "localhost port 7485" as POP3 server in you mail client. 7485 can be any number, btw. If you are using SSH2 protocol, the -N argument can be handy. (If you are using a non-command-line ssh client or one that doesn't take the same argument syntax as the UNIX client, check its documentation) > SSH opens a remote shell in a secure way. This way you can read your > mail via command line mailreader _on server_ or even with X-forwarding > with a GUI one, X-forwarding is just a special case of port forwarding (with some X authentication spoofing around). Just forward another port to the POP3 port of the server. > How shall SSHD know you want to connect to WHAT server on e.g. port > 110? the "110" in the command. if you do ssh user@sshhost -L 7895:pophost:110 communication is encrypted between you and sshhost, but not between sshhost and pophost (if they are different). -- Lionel Elie Mamane RFC 1991 (PGP 2.x) 2048 bits Key Fingerprint (KeyID: 20C897E9): 85CF 986F 263E 8CD0 80FD 4B8C F5F9 C17D OpenPGP DH/DSS 4096/1024 Key Fingerprint (KeyID: 3E7B4B73): 9DAD 3131 3ADA F50B D096 002A B1C4 7317 3E7B 4B73 msg30519/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: SSH
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 17:25 op dinsdag 20 november 2001, Peter Palmreuther: > But how would you tunnel a POP3 request through SSH? you cannot tunnel a pop3 request *through* ssh, just can tunnel is *alongside* ssh. ssh has a feature called port-forwarding, and perhaps this is meant? you can 'forward' local port 110 to server port 110, and fetch your mail, with thebat, at localhost:110. the pop3 traffic is then encrypted by the local ssh-client, sent to the server, decrypted by sshd, and passed to port 110 at the server. i use a package called teraterm pro for my ssh-needs, i can provide a pointer to it if you ask me (i have to look it up, i REALLY don't remember where i got it). this solution is not dependant on any mailclient, it is a completely stand-alone solution and therefore viable for almost anyone, better imho than unencrypted POP3. i get my mail this way since my account has been broken into 'cause someone sniffed the password from the network. the only backdraw is that you have to have an open shell to the server all the time. since i use it regularly, it is not a problem for me. ymmv. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO/qrNUtQMadp+KslEQLdFQCeKVqUoRPEllx2q9K9ppp6lkL7S2wAn3+g Tgi4jH+nfH6Z7eFFOjb6RrFD =poSj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SSH
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter! On Dienstag, 20. November 2001 at 15:56:08 you wrote: > You're absolutely sure the account needs SSH support? Again: do you > think it is possible you wanted to ask for SSL? Practically no difference for him at the moment since TB! does support neither. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54/10e on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Ich bin immer beleidigt, wenn andere nichts von mir erwarten. (D.A. Wien) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO/pwxPTo1oA8g8dLEQI1WQCg7I6Qa2TDMntD4bR+elaQIbhIi80AoNVb WOwCHR0iB9EouleuD0FOo05P =2ttK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: LICK ME (FREE FOR LIFE) UDJEON
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday, November 20, 2001 at 9:32:13 PM , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following on the "LICK ME (FREE FOR LIFE)UDJEON" thread: LMAO! This is the first spam message I've seen on this list! Ugh! - -- The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. -- Oscar Wilde __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Member of the PGP-Basics, Encryption Help Team iD8DBQE7+q/d8WBGNj3ut+0RAs06AJ4y/XStvLeSZuZQFWNxslqkCL8nogCg1bDk 1EBpN5rNquWj9Xge4qQ5C+E= =B4/B -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SSH
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday, November 20, 2001 at 9:41:37 PM , Krzysztof Gibas wrote the following on the "SSH" thread: KG>Does The Bat support the above protocol? Are you sure it's not SSL ? I have a shell account on a friends machine that I log in to by using putty which supports the above mentioned proto. - -- "I just need enough to tide me over until I need more." -- Bill Hoest __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Member of the PGP-Basics, Encryption Help Team iD8DBQE7+rIw8WBGNj3ut+0RAq1hAKCYyS33yxWy3qovlS6tFrki4cB3sQCgnLaa DvARFjOD7xyCEC0ZwNMhAOw= =aOVH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Alastair! On Dienstag, 20. November 2001 at 16:12:25 you wrote: > That would work - translations of "sex" and "money" would probably catch 95 > per cent of spam ;) I bet it would get 100%, but it doesn't matter how good it works positively. You have to take into account its negative: How many percent of legitimate - and maybe wanted - messages get caught? In this special case - presumed the receiver doesn't even speak/read a language - any message in this language can be positively deleted. None of them would be alright. As long as no one tries to send him a message containing some of the trigger words (e.g. "money" or "sex" in Turkish) The caveat being *not* to use such filters for messages in languages you do get legitimate messages in (for me German and English, sometimes even French, Italian, Spanish or Danish). - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54/10e on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Paying for movies is like paying for sex - if it's free it feels better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO/pwYPTo1oA8g8dLEQI+ZACfbnxgXrS8PsojiIisvT/Cb+XsSikAoJUu wgeZxmQQ4rIqOg2LF8q4DEwe =mQU/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
nevermind. Re: desperate help: Exchange problem?
For some reason it's working again now. What is odd is I swiched over to outlook and got some Excel file attachment which seemed to hang it for a while even on outlook (file wasn't large) but when it finally came through and I closed out Outlook and then went back to the Bat things started working correctly. No idea what caused all this mess, probably something with the network people here at work:) Sorry for the long post. On Tuesday, November 20, 2001, 11:25:39 AM, you wrote: RR> Yesterday I had no problem receiving email off our Exchange server. RR> Today however when I go to check the mail that resides on the server RR> the Connection Center opens up and says "checking mail INBOX (1 New RR> Message)." It then just hangs there. No elapsed time moves or RR> anything. Evenutally I just hit abort. ( I think when I do that the RR> email gets deleted off the server, since after I hit abort I no longer RR> will get that message). I can send email out fine and when I test by RR> sending them to myself to I can see them residing out there in the RR> Message Center (says 2 New Messages etc.) I'm not really sure what is RR> causing this problem. When I switch back over to Outlook (ughh) I can RR> receive the email fine. It's possible the system admin did something RR> but before I ask around I'd like to know if there is something I can RR> try first. ( I'm sure they'll just go 'just use outlook' ). RR> Some other odd things. When I switch the protocol for receiving mail RR> from IMAP4 to POP3 (I'm trying everything here:) it manages to not RR> hang and says it retrieved the email but I do not see any of the new RR> messages in my inbox. This brings up another question... Is there a RR> way to have the same mail box set up as it resides on the exchange RR> server? I know there are other mailbox folders etc out there and I don't really RR> care about them but I thought if I configure for IMAP4 that I would RR> end up with those other mailbox folders showing up. Not a big deal but RR> maybe it's somehow related to what's going wrong. RR> Thanks so much if someone can help with this as I really really really RR> do not want to have to use Outlook here:) RR> Rick RR> --- RR> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rick --- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: filtering on language
Hello Jan, 20. november 2001, 18:32:50, you wrote: JR> I'm not sure I understand where this content-encoding JR> header 8859- resides. I searched the header for this w/o JR> result. Check this message. It's encoding is ISO-8859-2, so it has this in the headers: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 JR> Well, my assumption is that if anyone from Turkey wants to JR> communicate w me legitimately, they'll write me in English JR> -- not because I'm being arrogant or nationalistic -- JR> because that's my native language. Many users don't even know how to set character encoding. Besides, with ISO-8859-x encodings you can still write English - just look at this message. The only thing that differs is the display of special characters, like čšž... -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54/10e on Windows 98 4.10.67766222. ] 1. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. 2. No matter what goes wrong, there is always somebody who knew it would. -- Laws of Understanding -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Let me explain my problem...
Hi, Thanks for a surprising response to my POP3 quiz. Finally I apparently have dropped into a group of people who knows a bit about this. I'm working with a mission in West Africa. We have an office with a LAN in the capital with a Red Hat7 box running smtp/pop3/imap servers. There are about 20 expatriates in our organisation, let's call them user1...user20. A couple of computers on the office LAN are for messaging access when the expatriates are in town. Each user can log into the IMAP server from any LAN client and manage their inbox/imap forlder and send mail. No messages are stored on the client machines, they use an imap mail client to manage their folders on the server. Thus no data is stored on the client LAN computers. I have learnt that unfortunately The Bat is not suitable as an IMAP client which just looks up user's mailfolders at a server. However, when people are out in the bush, a shortwave radio modem dials up mail server and the messages are transferred into a simple Outlook Express client in the bush. And the main problem with OE is that it doesn't actually have the server detete transferred messages until *all* are successfully received. 3 of 5 times we reach 28 of 30 messages before the radio modems kick us of due to interference, and you may imagine the frustration when there are 56 messages to transfer the next day. I winder if The Bat might be a suitable email client out in the bush instead of OE. The POP3 mbx it need to check will have msgs for all users (user1..user20). All messages should be fetched when connecting to the server regardless of which user who actually connects. When the msgs arrive, they should be routed to the corresponding account/profile (i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] should be put in user5's inbox etc.) Each user should have their own account/profile (own reply-to address, inbox folder, sent items folder, any any personal folders) and they should have to login with their username/pwd at program start. Would it be possible to configure/setup The Bat to 'serve' 20 different users in a scenario like this? If yes, how do I set it up, and would it be possible to do something with my 'POP3 quiz' question to have The Bat force the server to actually delete each received message from the server and not wait until all messages are (eventually) transferred... Thanks for comments on this and apologize for this long post. Best regards Tor -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
Hello Thomas At 9:26 AM on Tuesday, November 20, 2001 you wrote the following on the posted subject 'filtering on language': Thomas> [...] The way you do it is the looks for the Thomas> Content-encoding header or any header line that Thomas> contains 8859-x (substitute Turkish encoding suffix Thomas> for the x) or whatever you can identify in these Thomas> messages. How you do that with RegEx, now *that* is Thomas> for TBTECH. [...] I'm not sure I understand where this content-encoding header 8859- resides. I searched the header for this w/o result. Thomas> Be careful though, it will catch all messages with Thomas> that encoding, also legitimate ones. Well, my assumption is that if anyone from Turkey wants to communicate w me legitimately, they'll write me in English -- not because I'm being arrogant or nationalistic -- because that's my native language. I'm going to follow up on those translator links you posted as well. Thanks. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54/10/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
Hello Peter At 9:25 AM on Tuesday, November 20, 2001 you wrote the following on the posted subject 'filtering on language': JR>> %IF %TEXT does not = %language="English" (it looked thru the JR>> dictionary), then Take an action. ??? Peter> I think this ain't as clear as you wanted it. What action (e.g.) Peter> should be token? If you want the macro in filters to scan incomming Peter> mails? In a template? What else? Move to Trash for example. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54/10/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SSH
Hello Lionel, On Dienstag, 20. November 2001 at 16:32:20 you wrote (at least in part): LEM> So SSH tunneling _is_ easier if the machine admin is not LEM> cooperative. But how would you tunnel a POP3 request through SSH? SSH opens a remote shell in a secure way. This way you can read your mail via command line mailreader _on server_ or even with X-forwarding with a GUI one, but what command you want to use to stream POP3-Session-Data through this SSH-tunnel? For using the SSH-tunnel you have to connect to the local side of SSH connection. Now issue a POP3-Login 'user xyz\npass noway\n' ... what should the SSH-server (daemon) do with this commands? How shall SSHD know you want to connect to WHAT server on e.g. port 110? I don't know how this can be done, I may stand corrected by a SSH freak, but in my daily use of SSH I haven't found any other practical aspect than (secure) remote login and (secure) remote command execution (with X-forwarding even more practical, as I use an X-server for windows and therefore be able to use 'real' xterm windows :-) ). -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54/10e on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) Every program is a part of some other program, and rarely fits. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
OT: filtering on language
Hello Alastair, On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:12:25 - GMT (20/11/2001, 23:12 +0800 GMT), Alastair Scott wrote: AS> The frequency analysis is actually very subtle - two other languages which AS> have lots of "z"s that come to mind are German and Polish. The huge mass of AS> rules needed to differentiate one language from another would probably be AS> just as slow as the dictionary lookup. I just came across some "language guessers" on the internet: http://www.xrce.xerox.com/research/mltt/tools/guesser/ This one identified the text Jan originally posted as Turkish_iso9. http://odur.let.rug.nl/~vannoord/TextCat/Demo/textcat.html This one identified the language as "unkown", even though Turkish is in their list of supported languages. However, it is open source and - yes, a Perl script! - so you can run it in TB v2. Oh, and I just saw that he gives a comprehensive list of "competitors", i.e. links to other language identifiers. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. It was so hot during football practice that a lot of kids keeled over from nervous prostitution. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54/10 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
desperate help: Exchange problem?
Yesterday I had no problem receiving email off our Exchange server. Today however when I go to check the mail that resides on the server the Connection Center opens up and says "checking mail INBOX (1 New Message)." It then just hangs there. No elapsed time moves or anything. Evenutally I just hit abort. ( I think when I do that the email gets deleted off the server, since after I hit abort I no longer will get that message). I can send email out fine and when I test by sending them to myself to I can see them residing out there in the Message Center (says 2 New Messages etc.) I'm not really sure what is causing this problem. When I switch back over to Outlook (ughh) I can receive the email fine. It's possible the system admin did something but before I ask around I'd like to know if there is something I can try first. ( I'm sure they'll just go 'just use outlook' ). Some other odd things. When I switch the protocol for receiving mail from IMAP4 to POP3 (I'm trying everything here:) it manages to not hang and says it retrieved the email but I do not see any of the new messages in my inbox. This brings up another question... Is there a way to have the same mail box set up as it resides on the exchange server? I know there are other mailbox folders etc out there and I don't really care about them but I thought if I configure for IMAP4 that I would end up with those other mailbox folders showing up. Not a big deal but maybe it's somehow related to what's going wrong. Thanks so much if someone can help with this as I really really really do not want to have to use Outlook here:) Rick --- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: SSH
Czesc Peter! 2001-11-20 o 15:56 napisale(a)s: > Hello Krzysztof, > On Dienstag, 20. November 2001 at 15:26:36 you wrote (at least in part): >>> 2.) What should it be good for TheBat! supporting SSH? >>> SSH is a 'Secure Shell' protocol with intonation on 'Shell'. In >>> what way TB! should use or need a remote shell? KG>> Well, one of my accounts requires SSH connection even for sending KG>> e-mails. It would be nice for Bat to support this. > You're absolutely sure the account needs SSH support? Again: do you > think it is possible you wanted to ask for SSL? I'm quite sure. Besides Outlook says that this server does not support SSL. So, what am I supposed to do? Using The Bat! v1.52d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- Regards, Chris -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SSH
On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:56:08PM +0100, Peter Palmreuther wrote: > but I seriously doubt one would make such an effort necessary to > tunnel POP3 and/or SMTP through _SSH_. Quite much easier to set up > is POP3/SMTP-though-SSL. Through SSL needs "support" from the admin of the server (if it is behind a "rigorous" firewall). Trough SSH doesn't, if you already have shell access through SSH to that machine... So SSH tunneling _is_ easier if the machine admin is not cooperative. -- Lionel Elie Mamane OpenPGP DH/DSS 4096/1024 Key Fingerprint (KeyID: 3E7B4B73): 9DAD 3131 3ADA F50B D096 002A B1C4 7317 3E7B 4B73 msg30504/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re[2]: filtering on language
Tuesday, November 20, 2001, 4:12:25 PM, you wrote: AS> - Original Message - AS> From: "Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> AS> To: "Alastair Scott on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> AS> Sent: 20 November 2001 2:49 pm AS> Subject: Re: filtering on language >> >> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:29:05 - GMT (20/11/2001, 22:29 +0800 GMT), >> Alastair Scott wrote: >> AS> That would work - translations of "sex" and "money" would probably catch 95 AS> per cent of spam ;) To bad sex is sex in almost any language ;-) Best regards, Gerard Real men don't ask directions -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Alastair! On Dienstag, 20. November 2001 at 15:29:05 you wrote: > There may be more clever statistical methods - the above is Turkish, and > it's pretty obvious the relative frequency of various letters (eg "z" and > "i") is entirely different from that of English - but more similar languages > (eg two Indo-European ones ;) might not be so simple to differentiate. I am > not a professional linguist so I can't comment definitively. You mean, for instance, Faeroese and Pashto? - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54/10e on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Talk slowly, but think quickly. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO/pnnPTo1oA8g8dLEQKKeQCfZzZvntnFJ6gwBV4lysgLw16f5wwAoPK5 JL/OwG3TjzYE3c3PVbaOgxOt =cAiN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
- Original Message - From: "Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alastair Scott on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 20 November 2001 2:49 pm Subject: Re: filtering on language > Hello Alastair, > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:29:05 - GMT (20/11/2001, 22:29 +0800 GMT), > Alastair Scott wrote: > > AS> There may be more clever statistical methods - the above is Turkish, and > AS> it's pretty obvious the relative frequency of various letters (eg "z" and > AS> "i") is entirely different from that of English - > > This would be difficult to implement in a TB filter. But I just had an > idea: > > You can actually filter for certain words that are likely to occur in > most Turkish-language spams, such as siteler (web sites), for example. > You can also use other simple words from the Turkish language. Without > a scoring mechanism - i.e. just if one of those five or ten words is > found, it's a hit - make your own, very simple, language parser in the > form of a TB filter. That would work - translations of "sex" and "money" would probably catch 95 per cent of spam ;) The frequency analysis is actually very subtle - two other languages which have lots of "z"s that come to mind are German and Polish. The huge mass of rules needed to differentiate one language from another would probably be just as slow as the dictionary lookup. Alastair _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SSH
Hello Krzysztof, On Dienstag, 20. November 2001 at 15:26:36 you wrote (at least in part): >> 2.) What should it be good for TheBat! supporting SSH? >> SSH is a 'Secure Shell' protocol with intonation on 'Shell'. In >> what way TB! should use or need a remote shell? KG> Well, one of my accounts requires SSH connection even for sending KG> e-mails. It would be nice for Bat to support this. You're absolutely sure the account needs SSH support? Again: do you think it is possible you wanted to ask for SSL? SSH _is_ a _remote shell_. It does in fact support tunneling data through this connection, but I seriously doubt one would make such an effort necessary to tunnel POP3 and/or SMTP through _SSH_. Quite much easier to set up is POP3/SMTP-though-SSL. -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54/10e on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) A wise man can hear profit in the wind. --22nd Rule. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
Hello Alastair, On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:29:05 - GMT (20/11/2001, 22:29 +0800 GMT), Alastair Scott wrote: AS> There may be more clever statistical methods - the above is Turkish, and AS> it's pretty obvious the relative frequency of various letters (eg "z" and AS> "i") is entirely different from that of English - This would be difficult to implement in a TB filter. But I just had an idea: You can actually filter for certain words that are likely to occur in most Turkish-language spams, such as siteler (web sites), for example. You can also use other simple words from the Turkish language. Without a scoring mechanism - i.e. just if one of those five or ten words is found, it's a hit - make your own, very simple, language parser in the form of a TB filter. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54/10 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
- Original Message - From: "Jan Rifkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "TB! UDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 20 November 2001 1:02 pm Subject: filtering on language > Hello TB! Listers. > > I've been getting a lot of msgs like the one below & its > really annoying. > > > Original Message Starts <-- > www.internethaber.com yilin en iyi > ancorhman_n_ belirliyor. > Siz de oy kullanarak tercihinizi koyun. > > www.internethaber.com ve www.gazeteoku.com > ile biz haberin tekelini kirdik; gelin siz > de bu siteleri ziyaret ederek, bu tekeli > kirin. > -> Original Message Ends <--- > > Can anyone imagine a built in macro that identifies > language used, i.e. "%IF not %English"? Does anyone think > this is even possible? It's certainly possible through some sort of dictionary comparison, but that would probably be fatally slow on modest PCs (imagine checking a 2,000 word email :) There may be more clever statistical methods - the above is Turkish, and it's pretty obvious the relative frequency of various letters (eg "z" and "i") is entirely different from that of English - but more similar languages (eg two Indo-European ones ;) might not be so simple to differentiate. I am not a professional linguist so I can't comment definitively. Alastair _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
Hello Jan, On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:19:38 -0500 GMT (20/11/2001, 22:19 +0800 GMT), Jan Rifkinson wrote: JR> %IF %TEXT does not = %language="English" (it looked JR> thru the dictionary), then Take an action. ??? Let me assume you are not a programmer. ;-) What you suggest is technically possible but would mean such an overhead that it is impractical for our use. I am sure that intelligence agencies use this approach, though. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Salmon day: Swimming upstream all day to get screwed in the end. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54/10 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
Hello Jan, On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:06:53 -0500 GMT (20/11/2001, 22:06 +0800 GMT), Jan Rifkinson wrote: Thomas>> You can build a RegEx that looks for the encoding. JR> I'm not sure what this means but since it deals with JR> RegExp, I should move it to TBTech. Yes, but only when it gets technical. The way you do it is the looks for the Content-encoding header or any header line that contains 8859-x (substitute Turkish encoding suffix for the x) or whatever you can identify in these messages. How you do that with RegEx, now *that* is for TBTECH. Be careful though, it will catch all messages with that encoding, also legitimate ones. JR> Thanks, Thomas. Don't mention it. FWIW I don't use any spam filters at all, because I get a lot more carbon-based spam in my snail mail inbox than e-spam. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ich bin ferner mit meinen Nerven am Ende und habe mit einer schweren Kastritis zu tun. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54/10 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
Hello Jan, On Dienstag, 20. November 2001 at 15:19:38 you wrote (at least in part): JR> I guess I wasn't clear because I was thinking along the lines of: JR> %IF %TEXT does not = %language="English" (it looked thru the JR> dictionary), then Take an action. ??? I think this ain't as clear as you wanted it. What action (e.g.) should be token? If you want the macro in filters to scan incomming mails? In a template? What else? -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54/10e on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) I'm not sure if life is trying to pass me by or run me over! -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: SSH
Czesc Peter! 2001-11-20 o 14:41 napisale(a)s: > Hello Krzysztof, > On Dienstag, 20. November 2001 at 14:26:52 you wrote (at least in part): KG>> Does The Bat support the above protocol? > 1.) No. > 2.) What should it be good for TheBat! supporting SSH? > SSH is a 'Secure Shell' protocol with intonation on 'Shell'. In > what way TB! should use or need a remote shell? Well, one of my accounts requires SSH connection even for sending e-mails. It would be nice for Bat to support this. Using The Bat! v1.52d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- Pozdrowienia, Krzysiek -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
Hello Thomas. At 9:10 AM on Tuesday, November 20, 2001 you wrote the following on the posted subject 'filtering on language': Thomas> That macro will choose the dictionary you use for writing the message Thomas> or reply. Yes, I understand which is why I used to word related. I guess I wasn't clear because I was thinking along the lines of: %IF %TEXT does not = %language="English" (it looked thru the dictionary), then Take an action. ??? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54/10/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
Hello Thomas. At 8:59 AM on Tuesday, November 20, 2001 you wrote the following on the posted subject 'filtering on language': JR>> Can anyone imagine a built in macro that identifies JR>> language used, i.e. "%IF not %English"? Does anyone think JR>> this is even possible? Thomas> You can build a RegEx that looks for the encoding. I'm not sure what this means but since it deals with RegExp, I should move it to TBTech. Thanks, Thomas. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54/10/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
Hello Jan, On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:04:32 -0500 GMT (20/11/2001, 22:04 +0800 GMT), Jan Rifkinson wrote: Peter>> 2.) Define 'English' and on what basis setting Peter>> '%English' should be [...] JR> Well I'm not as technically oriented as you are but I JR> would think it could be related to the %language macro JR> that already exists. That macro will choose the dictionary you use for writing the message or reply. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Bei Vollmond spricht man nicht. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54/10 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
Hello TB! List. On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 at 14:29 GMT +0100 (11/20/2001 8:29 AM where I live) "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [Peter] wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] re: 'filtering on language': Peter> 2.) Define 'English' and on what basis setting Peter> '%English' should be [...] Well I'm not as technically oriented as you are but I would think it could be related to the %language macro that already exists. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54/10/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
Hello Jan, On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:02:14 -0500 GMT (20/11/2001, 21:02 +0800 GMT), Jan Rifkinson wrote: JR> Can anyone imagine a built in macro that identifies JR> language used, i.e. "%IF not %English"? Does anyone think JR> this is even possible? You can build a RegEx that looks for the encoding. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Outside a disco: SMARTS IS THE MOST EXCLUSIVE DISCO IN TOWN. EVERYONE WELCOME. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54/10 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SSH
On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 02:41:10PM +0100, Peter Palmreuther wrote: > KG> Does The Bat support the above protocol? > 2.) What should it be good for TheBat! supporting SSH? > SSH is a 'Secure Shell' protocol with intonation on 'Shell'. In > what way TB! should use or need a remote shell? Maybe he meant SSH tunneling of POP or IMAP... At some sites, SSL is not available, but SSH tunneling is. -- Lionel Elie Mamane OpenPGP DH/DSS 4096/1024 Key Fingerprint (KeyID: 3E7B4B73): 9DAD 3131 3ADA F50B D096 002A B1C4 7317 3E7B 4B73 msg30488/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Extracting address and cgi- form-inputs out of message body
Hello Marck, On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:56:39 + GMT (20/11/2001, 20:56 +0800 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: DH>> Since I am always curious and interested in the special field of DH>> spam "he" sent to the list, I went to the URL. As you have seen in DH>> the message, it wasn't an name domain, so I guess we can't use a DH>> search in InterNIC. MDP> I know of a whois server that can work it out: Good. Even though this thread is already finished, I read tehse messages about resolving the address just now and want to contribute my 0.02 worth: 139.142.204.244 = h139-142-204-244.gtcust.grouptelecom.net h139-142-204-244.gtcust.grouptelecom.net = 139.142.204.244 ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. IF THERE IS NO GOD, WHO POPS UP THE NEXT KLEENEX? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54/10 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Can I keep sent mail in same subfolder?
Hello List, Monday, November 19, 2001, 23:03:30, Januk wrote: JA> Hi Allie, JA> An archeological dig discovered that on Monday, November 19, 2001 at JA> 21:00 GMT -0500, Allie C Martin [AM] typed the following: AM>> This isn't ideal and I agree that a simple option to have the AM>> replies placed in the same folder as the original message would be AM>> a nice option to have ... on a per account basis of course. JA> I'd go so far as to say it should be a per-folder option, not just a JA> per-account option. Yes. I think this would be a great option on a per-folder basis. -- Dave Braze mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 Build 1212 b _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SSH
Hello Krzysztof, On Dienstag, 20. November 2001 at 14:26:52 you wrote (at least in part): KG> Does The Bat support the above protocol? 1.) No. 2.) What should it be good for TheBat! supporting SSH? SSH is a 'Secure Shell' protocol with intonation on 'Shell'. In what way TB! should use or need a remote shell? Or did you simple meant 'SSL' as a secure way of network packet transportation? If so the answer is: Not yet, it is planned to introduce this feature. Hope that helps -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54/10e on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) "When I hear the names MARX and LENIN, I think of Groucho and John" -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filtering on language
Hello Jan, On Dienstag, 20. November 2001 at 14:02:14 you wrote (at least in part): JR> Can anyone imagine a built in macro that identifies JR> language used, i.e. "%IF not %English"? Does anyone think JR> this is even possible? 1.) No 2.) Define 'English' and on what basis setting '%English' should be affected :-) -> Now you should know why: 'No' :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54/10e on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) Let's start a new country up -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
SSH
Hi! Does The Bat support the above protocol? Using The Bat! v1.52d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- Pozdrowienia, Krzysiek -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Interesting if you have ( ) after a name
Hi Thomas,
On 20 November 2001 at 13:55:59 [GMT+0800] (which was 05:55 where I
live) Thomas F wrote to Scott Frederick on TBUDL and made these
points:
SF>> I think that what you are trying to do is add a comment to an
SF>> address.
TF> No, the "real name" part of the email address can be in quote marks.
TF> In fact, if it contains special characters like "." - and I am nto
TF> sure about the parenthesis - the real name part *must* be enclosed in
TF> quote marks.
Parentheses are in the RFC syntax and are used for "Comments":
3.4.6. BRACKETING CHARACTERS
There is one type of bracket which must occur in matched pairs
and may have pairs nested within each other:
o Parentheses ("(" and ")") are used to indicate com-
ments.
and:
3.3. LEXICAL TOKENS
specials= "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@" ; Must be in quoted-
/ "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <"> ; string, to use
/ "." / "[" / "]" ; within a word.
As you correctly say, quotes should be used to enclose real names which
contain any of the above characters in an address field.
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Hello TB! Listers. I've been getting a lot of msgs like the one below & its really annoying. > Original Message Starts <-- www.internethaber.com yilin en iyi ancorhman_n_ belirliyor. Siz de oy kullanarak tercihinizi koyun. www.internethaber.com ve www.gazeteoku.com ile biz haberin tekelini kirdik; gelin siz de bu siteleri ziyaret ederek, bu tekeli kirin. -> Original Message Ends <--- Can anyone imagine a built in macro that identifies language used, i.e. "%IF not %English"? Does anyone think this is even possible? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54/10/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: NO SEX - Extracting address and cgi- form-inputs out of message body
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi wilhelm, On 20 November 2001 at 13:54:07 [GMT+0100] (which was 12:54 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to Peter Palmreuther and made these points: PP>> So all in all I've mixed feelings about Wilhelm as the spammer or not. watod> Its not an intelligent spam machine, its a human error. watod> I am sorry for the "noise" I generated to this mailing list. Excellent! Thank you for clarifying this for us Wilhelm. I will remove my digit from it's position hovering over the "Ban" button. I quite understand and forgive the transgression. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / ' TB! v1.54/10e-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7+lTMOeQkq5KdzaARAqDyAJ91qLMQK3oHDZGq01y3TbE10CXptQCeMEdA bHcC5Q8Mw0/gOJHDJALevoM= =k92O -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Extracting address and cgi- form-inputs out of message body
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dierk, On 20 November 2001 at 12:34:16 [GMT+0100] (which was 11:34 where I live) Dierk Haasis wrote to Peter Palmreuther and made these points: >> So all in all I've mixed feelings about Wilhelm as the spammer or not. DH> I have not - for the moment. DH> My reply to his message (the legitimate one) was intended to get a DH> reaction from him. I hope we will here from him during the day, so he DH> can write us what goes on here. I too am waiting to see if he responds. The moderators are poised, right now, to ban and block him. DH> Since I am always curious and interested in the special field of DH> spam "he" sent to the list, I went to the URL. As you have seen in DH> the message, it wasn't an name domain, so I guess we can't use a DH> search in InterNIC. I know of a whois server that can work it out: Myrias Computer Technologies Inc. (NET-MYRIAS) 8522 Davies Road Edmonton, Alberta Calgary, AB T5N 4Y5 CA Netname: MYRIAS Netblock: 139.142.0.0 - 139.142.255.255 Maintainer: MYRA Coordinator: Shaw Fiberlink Ltd, Ip Administrator (IAS-ARIN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (403) 750-4677 (FAX) (403) 750-6999 Domain System inverse mapping provided by: NS.CG.SFL.NET139.142.2.2 NS.MT.SFL.NET209.135.99.2 DH> Lets see what Wilhelm will tell us. Indeed. The clock is ticking, but the initial analysis of the t-online.de routing in the headers of the spam is a bit of a giveaway. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / ' TB! v1.54/10e-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7+lMIOeQkq5KdzaARAnJpAJ0WPyAWOwQhmqEx/N9UzAaHJjdSvQCfWznv WCW+dZyvw1RM6Zuhz4sN7Ak= =BmKv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: NO SEX - Extracting address and cgi- form-inputs out of message body
Hello Peter, Tuesday, November 20, 2001, 11:41:58 AM, you wrote: PP> Hello Carsten, PP> On Dienstag, 20. November 2001 at 09:33:49 you wrote (at least in part): >>> It may all be very harmless, but actually I would - for the moment - >>> deny you any support as it looks like you are a spammer. PP> 'pD95041B2.dip.t-dialin.net'. PP> As you may know T-Online is somehow very restrict in it's relay rules. PP> As you can see this is only 4 minutes later, the id's are identically. PP> So all in all I've mixed feelings about Wilhelm as the spammer or not. Sorry for the iritation in this mailinglist. I have installed The Bat and for testing the filter for the mailinglist I deleted all messages in the INBOX and forwarded some mail to a second POP I had configured. In that moments I got a spam sex mail and posted it to the list. Its not an intelligent spam machine, its a human error. I am sorry for the "noise" I generated to this mailing list. -- Best regards,Wilhelmmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Sorting office?
Hello Jos. At 9:30 PM on Monday, November 19, 2001 you wrote the following on the posted subject 'Sorting office?': World> I made a rule for incoming mail: World> string: [EMAIL PROTECTED] World> location: sender World> presence: yes World> action: move messages to trash Try changing it to location 'kludges" & see if that makes a difference. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.54/10/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: POP3 quiz...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 @ 11:57:08 +0100 [ Tue, 20 Nov 2001], Peter Palmreuther [PP] thoughtfully wrote the following: ... TF>> 2. It is the POP server that will either delete the messages when TF>> they receive the DELE command, or delete the messages makred for TF>> deletion only when they receive the QUIT command. PP> Correct! Thanks Thomas|Marck|Peter for the clarification. :-) I do now recall, now that it's mentioned, that TB! sends delete commands *during* the message download process. - -- ©Allie C Martin -- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 [MUA: TB! v1.54/10 (*) OS: Win2K SP 2] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Sealed for Security iEYEARECAAYFAjv6QjQACgkQV8nrYCsHF+LIVgCfVgXOfV/mbqjyvGRrmc7hf6Sw LxcAoIYIrf8hoOQjRyHdnydIygytjkSh =EXSf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Extracting address and cgi- form-inputs out of message body
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter! On Dienstag, 20. November 2001 at 11:41:58 you wrote: > So all in all I've mixed feelings about Wilhelm as the spammer or not. I have not - for the moment. My reply to his message (the legitimate one) was intended to get a reaction from him. I hope we will here from him during the day, so he can write us what goes on here. Since I am always curious and interested in the special field of spam "he" sent to the list, I went to the URL. As you have seen in the message, it wasn't an name domain, so I guess we can't use a search in InterNIC. The page opened was also under a machine domain. It was nothing but the usual "Get free access to the following sites by entering your credit card information". All advertised sites are purely commercial erotic sites - what wonder! It also contained an audio part together with a moving ad at the top of the page. Well, everything I wanted to know, spam at its lowest (not because of the erotic part, but because it promises something it doesn't want to fulfil). Lets see what Wilhelm will tell us. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54/10e on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Everybody loves a winner, but when you lose, you lose alone. (William Bell) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO/oxtPTo1oA8g8dLEQLHfQCbBMywNcxRgmdZORhv3QYU7gOrWj8An1Iu 8xAICWP2k3o1FYzuufUwVLX0 =7/QC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: POP3 quiz...
Hello Thomas, On Dienstag, 20. November 2001 at 05:34:42 you wrote (at least in part): TF> 2. It is the POP server that will either delete the messages when TF> they receive the DELE command, or delete the messages makred for TF> deletion only when they receive the QUIT command. Correct! ,-= [ RFC 1939 / http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1939.txt ] =- | DELE msg | ... | The POP3 server marks the message as deleted. Any future reference to | the message-number associated with the message in a POP3 command | generates an error. The POP3 server does not actually delete the | message until the POP3 session enters the UPDATE state. `-= [ End Quote ] =- ,-= [ RFC 1939 / http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1939.txt ] =- | The UPDATE State | | When the client issues the QUIT command from the TRANSACTION state, | the POP3 session enters the UPDATE state. (Note that if the client | issues the QUIT command from the AUTHORIZATION state, the POP3 session | terminates but does NOT enter the UPDATE state.) | | If a session terminates for some reason other than a client-issued | QUIT command, the POP3 session does NOT enter the UPDATE state and | MUST not remove any messages from the maildrop. `-= [ End Quote ] =- MDP> MDaemon has an option to override this behaviour and delete MDP> messages on receipt of the DELE command. Nice feature :-) As there is no '_MUST_' in 'DELE' definition in this RFC we could even not talk about a 'misbehavior' of MDaemon :-) Seems the common 'mark for deletion' is only a recommendation in this RFC :-) All in all: it is still on server side to decide about the moment for _real_ deletion. Only solution for TB! would be a new POP-session for every single mail (except using the mail dispatcher) ... If you leave messages on server I think TB! does not reload _all_ mails as it stores UIDLs of already received mails, but as Tor wrote this is a slow, bad connection I don't know if the 'leave message on server for X days' option is really good as it produces some overhead for deletion after 'X' days. As I don't use this option I can't check out the network overhead, but maybe I'm able to setup a test account and play with this option when my network sniffer is on to have exact results .-) So far ... -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54/10e on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) It just goes to show you, its always something. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Extracting address and cgi- form-inputs out of message body
Hello Carsten, On Dienstag, 20. November 2001 at 09:33:49 you wrote (at least in part): >> It may all be very harmless, but actually I would - for the moment - >> deny you any support as it looks like you are a spammer. CT> look into the headers (at least message-id) of both mails! First: Message-ID's can _easily_ be faked, this is no point of orientation for me. Second: I first thought too this might not be Wilhelm, and somebody else that has collected e-mail addresses on list spoofed the sender. But I had a deeper look into the headers: the SPAM mail _passed_ a T-Online mail server. That is a fact. I went through the 'Received' headers top-down and 'home.worldless.net' what is one of Syafrils servers received the mail from 'mailout02.sul.t-online.com' and the given IP is correct (194.25.134.17). 'mailout02.sul.t-online.com' received the mail from 'fwd05.sul.t-online.de' which received it from 'pD95041B2.dip.t-dialin.net'. As you may know T-Online is somehow very restrict in it's relay rules. You have to be dialed in from one of their accounts to be allowed to relay. Now let's have a look at 'pD95041B2.dip.t-dialin.net': the same hostname Wilhelm used in his mail with message id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This hostname connected 'fwd05.sul.t-online.de' on Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:05:53 +0100 So the line is (shorted): Received: from pD95041B2.dip.t-dialin.net (310094460701-0001@[217.80.65.178]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:05:53 +0100 No the second (SPAM) mail: Received: from pD95041B2.dip.t-dialin.net (310094460701-0001@[217.80.65.178]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:09:07 +0100 As you can see this is only 4 minutes later, the id's are identically. As I could verify the 'Received:' headers top-down until this point header spoofing could only be done in header after that line. So it seems this mail was sent by an 'intelligent' SPAM-mailer, that tries to spoof 'Received:' header for irritating investigations where the mail is from. But as a relaying SMTP adds its Received-line _topmost_ he can't spoof perfectly. So all in all I've mixed feelings about Wilhelm as the spammer or not. -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.54/10e on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) I never met a piece of chocolate I didn't like. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: POP3 quiz...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, On 20 November 2001 at 12:34:42 [GMT+0800] (which was 04:34 where I live) Thomas F wrote to Allie C Martin on TBUDL and made these points: ACM>> ... It tends to delete messages after full retreival of all ACM>> messages. If the POP session prematurely ends because of a ACM>> disconnection, no messages will be deleted from the server. TF> I am not sure this is right. TB sends the DELE 1 command after you TF> have successfully downloaded message 2. It is the POP server that TF> will either delete the messages when they receive the DELE TF> command, or delete the messages makred for deletion only when they TF> receive the QUIT command. Correct. MDaemon has an option to override this behaviour and delete messages on receipt of the DELE command. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / ' TB! v1.54/10e-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7+imcOeQkq5KdzaARAjCsAJ4nDx9Bbs4QxJ07B9QRRefrJ6tUWwCeMl1q 8i7wYy8rbHdFBx+EjbjMep4= =eu3w -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Spam on the list (was: LICK ...)
On Tuesday, November 20, 2001, 09:12:50, Carsten Thönges wrote: > I looked into the headers and it seems to me that Wilhelm has nothing > to do with this. Seems like the spammer just took the mail address > from the latest mail here on the list. outblaze.com. Again. IMO its safe to add that domain name to one's "absolutely spam!" filter. Roman -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: POP3 quiz...
Hello Allie, 20. november 2001, 1:03:12, you wrote: ACM> Unfortunately, AFAIK, TB!'s POP retreival system doesn't work the way ACM> you wish. It tends to delete messages after full retreival of all ACM> messages. If the POP session prematurely ends because of a ACM> disconnection, no messages will be deleted from the server. Not in my experience - I had several crashes during mail retrieval (Windows fault), and when I went to re-download the mail next time, I only got two or three messages that were already received. I remember reading somewhere that The Bat sends the DELE command immediately after the message is stored in the message base. Also, if you look at the Connection Center while retrieving messages, you'll notice that the status bar flashes "Deleting message #x" every now and than. -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54/10e on Windows 98 4.10.67766222. ] You can lead a horse to water, but if you can get him to float on his back you've got something. -- Hartley's Law -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Extracting address and cgi- form-inputs out of message body
Hi Dierk, > It may all be very harmless, but actually I would - for the moment - > deny you any support as it looks like you are a spammer. look into the headers (at least message-id) of both mails! I don't think Wilhelm is a spammer. I can hardly imagine that these were the links to his cgi - I didn't click on them ;-) -- Best regards, Carsten The Bat! (v1.54/10e) Business Windows NT 5.0 (Build 2195) Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Spam on the list (was: LICK ...)
Hi Wilhelm, hi list, > HEY SEXY, COME PLAY WITH ME |...| I looked into the headers and it seems to me that Wilhelm has nothing to do with this. Seems like the spammer just took the mail address from the latest mail here on the list. Or is this just training for our spam-filters? Did this happen earlier on this list? > To be taken off this list please respond with "GET ME OFF" in the sub ject Maybe it is not a good idea to do this ;-) -- Best regards, Carsten The Bat! (v1.54/10e) Business Windows NT 5.0 (Build 2195) Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Extracting address and cgi- form-inputs out of message body
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello wilhelm! On Dienstag, 20. November 2001 at 08:05:55 you wrote: > Hello tbudl, > I get a lot of mails from a cgi program of another aplication containing form >field > inputs in the body. E.g. Two messages from you on list. This one (quite alright) and another one with this subject: LICK ME (FREE FOR LIFE)UDJEON. It may all be very harmless, but actually I would - for the moment - deny you any support as it looks like you are a spammer. BTW, it has nothing to do with the contents (hardcore sex). - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54/10e on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am. (Derek Leveret) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO/n8qPTo1oA8g8dLEQLXCACg1lAr7P3KojKMUAhu2UAFalL699cAoP+A rMwwx881Rkz2Uo9Q+BtPbOOe =tlWj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
