Re[2]: How to configure BAT with Yahoo

[Maurice McAdam]

Dear Listers,

 A copy of all my regular mail (for which I use The Bat)
 goes automatically on to my hotmail account. When I
 travel - with no laptop - I can always stay in touch,
 using whatever web connection comes to hand.

 If you give up on Yahoo, Hotmail, etc. is there some
 other way of getting one's email?

TIA,
Maurice



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Re: How to configure BAT with Yahoo

[Greg Strong]

Hello Melissa,

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, at 12:15:17 GMT -0800 (1/7/2003, 2:15 PM -0500 GMT
here), you wrote in :

> In general, I feel that both Hotmail and Yahoo are about the worst of
> the worst when it comes to email accounts, so it'll be a happy day
> when I finally get rid of the Yahoo account for good.

Well under test I got both Web2Pop and YahooPops to work. But after
going through some of my old links of free mail providers and thinking
about it, I've decided to let the Yahoo account live only for a Web
interface. I as you have already let my hotmail account expire.

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Gavin Sinclair]

On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, 5:18:57 PM, Dave wrote:

> An excellent performer would be Yo Yo Ma.

> Note that MA. is an abbreviation for Master of Arts. And lest you note the
> case difference on the A, what if there were a spelling error? Making
> semantic choices based on capitalization choices is yet-another dangerous
> path to travel.

Good general points; I'll just make one comment.  It is unusual to see
"MA." in a sentence like you used.  The normal abbreviation would be
"MA", would it not?

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Dave Crocker]

Lars,

Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 11:28:50 AM, you wrote:
DC>> So, the change to the algorithm would simply be to preserve all
DC>> spacing.
...
Lars> The problem is that a programme can't distinguish between the different
Lars> kinds of periods used in texts. That is why any algorithm can only
Lars> insert *one* word seperator after every period it encounters, because it
Lars> doesn't know anything about how the period is used there.

Please note that I said *preserve*.  That is quite different from *add*.
When the user typed the text in, in its original form, they added spacing,
including one or two spaces after a period, as they saw fit.  Hence the
formatting software merely needs to retain the existing spaces, whatever
they are.

Yes, there are times that the software might need to add spaces, such a when
there is no space after the last word on an original line, and that word
needs to be moved into another line.

For situations in which a space must be added, the algorithm could be simple
-- just add one space -- or it could apply a heuristic and sometimes add
two. My own experience with such heuristics is that they usually do not work
very well.  There is a huge amount of case analysis that is needed to make
the heuristic work even moderately well.

The suggestion that it is "merely" a matter of having a collection of
abbreviations is natural but misleading. First, getting a really thorough
list is difficult in just one language. What about several? Second, the list
can give the wrong answer. How do you do spacing after the period in the
following text:

An excellent performer would be Yo Yo Ma.

Note that MA. is an abbreviation for Master of Arts. And lest you note the
case difference on the A, what if there were a spelling error? Making
semantic choices based on capitalization choices is yet-another dangerous
path to travel.

Personally the simplistic algorithm I am suggesting will work just fine.

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Re[2]: How to configure BAT with Yahoo

[Biju Nair]

Hello Spike,

Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 5:41:25 AM, you wrote:

S> Hello Biju Nair,

S> On or about Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 17:29:44GMT -0800 (which
S> was 8:29 PM in the tropics where I live) Biju Nair queried:

BN>> I am usig web2pop for accessing my hotmail mails.

S> Wonderful utility, worth the registration.

BN>> Can anyone tell me how to configure yahoo mails on BAT

S> Download the Yahoo plugin from the web2pop site!

S> http://www.jmasoftware.com/ftp/yah107.exe

The version of web2pop [Web2POP Version-> 1.0.3.8 ] that i am using is having
the yahoo dll in built in it, however the same is not working, i even tried
using yah107.exe but still the problem persists... ;-(

Then i used yahooPOPs! and it worked, however i would like to mention
that even after mentioning that the server as "YahooPOPs!" for my
yahoo account in BAT ,while downloading the mails BAT Shows "Web2pop server"

I am not able to figure out why this is happening ..however this has
definitly solved my problem.. ;-)

Regards
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Re: How to configure BAT with Yahoo

[Sue]

  

Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 1:15:17 PM, you wrote:



> Several months ago, I tried YahooPops, and it worked for a while. For
> some reason, it just stopped working for me (could have been caused by
> my ISP changing things around, but I haven't really figured it out
> yet), so I went on to use Web2Pop.


> Melissa


Yahoo mail recently came out with their new Beta version (and a whole
new "look" to go with it), and almost all Yahoo mail retrieval
programs no longer worked after that. That's probably what happened in
your case. In newer versions of YahooPops, it asks you in the settings
if you have Yahoo Classic or Yahoo Beta. If it's set to Classic,
switch it to Beta and it should work.

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello marek,

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:50:01 +0100 GMT (08/01/03, 01:50 +0700 GMT),
marek jedlinski wrote:

> According to this site, the invention dates back to 1700:

Ah, thanks for this page.

> http://www.ladytypewriter.co.uk/typewriter-timeline.htm

> By late 19th century the typewriter was pretty much old hat. See this
> glorious unit from 1897:

> http://www.ladytypewriter.co.uk/blick-7.htm

:-)

> The double initial is not a clue: substitute a name with a single
> initial, or a full name with a middle initial instead. You could try a
> rule that says "a single capital letter followed by a period does NOT
> end a sentence", but that rule fails in simplest cases such as "She
> was supposed to meet him at gate C. Williams was getting anxious."

Ouch. You are right.

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Lars,

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:28:50 +0100 GMT (08/01/03, 02:28 +0700 GMT),
Lars Geiger wrote:

> The problem is that a programme can't distinguish between the different
> kinds of periods used in texts.

Why not? All you need is a list of abbreviations that are followed by
a period.

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Re[2]: gnuPG

[CArmeanu]

Hello Allie,

Wednesday, January 8, 2003, 12:01:54 AM, you wrote:

AM> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
AM> Carmeanu [C] wrote:'

C>> Well, just try to have some one send you an encrypted mail with
C>> evolution

AM> Evolution uses PGP/MIME, a not too widely used method of encryption and
AM> signing by PGP/GnuPG users.

C>> or so.

AM> I've received encrypted mail from a variety of clients including Linux
AM> ones. No problems decrypting them once they aren't in PGP/MIME format.

C>> You'll find yourself unable to decrypt it with TheBat. Sure, you can
C>> use GPshell,

AM> AFAIK, GPGShell will not help with PGP/MIME signatures and encrypted
AM> messages.

:-) You can drag the attachments on your desktop and simply
double-click on them (if you registered the extension to GPGshell) to
decrypt them, that's all I use GPGshell for ... it's faster than the
command line typing for gpg.


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Re: gnuPG

[Allie Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Carmeanu [C] wrote:'

C> Well, just try to have some one send you an encrypted mail with
C> evolution

Evolution uses PGP/MIME, a not too widely used method of encryption and
signing by PGP/GnuPG users.

C> or so.

I've received encrypted mail from a variety of clients including Linux
ones. No problems decrypting them once they aren't in PGP/MIME format.

C> You'll find yourself unable to decrypt it with TheBat. Sure, you can
C> use GPshell,

AFAIK, GPGShell will not help with PGP/MIME signatures and encrypted
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Re[3]: gnuPG

[Toby Tremayne]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: MD5

 Thanks everyone for your input - I can see it's going to be a matter
 of "suck it and see".  I generally prefer to support the opensource
 alternatives, but I would like to have the same level of support in
 TB!...

 I'll let you guys know how I get on!

cheers,
Toby



Wednesday, January 8, 2003, 9:54:19 AM, you wrote:

TT> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
TT> Hash: MD5

TT> Hi Allie,

TT>thanks for that.  I'd prefer to use gnuPG if possible but it sounds
TT>like i might need to have a bit of a play before I commit to it.

TT> Toby

TT> Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 9:43:07 PM, you wrote:

AM>> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
AM>> Carmeanu [C] wrote:'

C>>> the "TB" implementation of GnuPG is something close to crap! They
C>>> based it on old an insecure encoding standards, what makes it
C>>> impossible for TheBat to decrypt GnuPG encrypted messages from other
C>>> mailers. The actual encoding standard uses encrypted attachments,
C>>> TheBat can en-/decrypt only the message itself.

AM>> I've been using GnuPG with TB! for a long time. With the plug-in you can
AM>> sign, decrypt and encrypt messages. However, it uses a strict UID
AM>> matching system (smart matching) when doing so in that it will select a
AM>> key to use only if the key has an exactly matching name 
AM>> combination to the one the plug-in is looking for. Key management and
AM>> GnuPG configuration, you have to do via the CLI or you install either
AM>> GPGShell or WinPT for this.

AM>> I've explained how to install and use the plug-in in this article:

AM>> http://www.landscreek.net/gpg_pgp_tb.html

AM>> There is one annoying thing in the plug-in in that when decrypting, you
AM>> have to always fill in the UID and password for the key you wish to
AM>> decrypt with. The UID isn't automatically filled in based on the To:
AM>> address field or the ID of the public key used for encryption. I created
AM>> a macro that does this for me.

AM>> The smartmatching feature is a fail safe measure not welcomed by many
AM>> since it can be difficult to use the plug-in when there are many who
AM>> send messages with a From name and address that doesn't correspond with
AM>> any of the UID's associated with key they signed their message with.
AM>> For example, a person may have create his key with the UID:

AM>> Jasper Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

AM>> and then sends messages with the From name :

AM>> Jasper Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

AM>> or

AM>> Jas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

AM>> The plug-in will not encrypt messages to a name  that doesn't
AM>> have matching UID in one of your public keys. You'll get an error. You
AM>> have to change the To: name  to one that matches one of the
AM>> UID's associated with the public key or use GPG Shell to do the
AM>> encryption ignoring the UID match.

AM>> The same thing goes for you trying to sign a message using a From name
AM>>  that doesn't exactly match a UID of your key. You'd also get
AM>> an error. The only way to sign with the plug-in would be to add the name
AM>>  combination you're using as a UID to your key.

AM>> PGP is a lot more forgiving in this way or it offers you a key selection
AM>> dialog when a match fails. You can then select the key you wish to use.
AM>> It will also sign with your default key, no matter which From address
AM>> you have in your message.

AM>> I haven't been having problems decrypting messages from other PGP and
AM>> GnuPG users.








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Re[2]: gnuPG

[Toby Tremayne]

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Hi Allie,

   thanks for that.  I'd prefer to use gnuPG if possible but it sounds
   like i might need to have a bit of a play before I commit to it.

Toby

Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 9:43:07 PM, you wrote:

AM> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
AM> Carmeanu [C] wrote:'

C>> the "TB" implementation of GnuPG is something close to crap! They
C>> based it on old an insecure encoding standards, what makes it
C>> impossible for TheBat to decrypt GnuPG encrypted messages from other
C>> mailers. The actual encoding standard uses encrypted attachments,
C>> TheBat can en-/decrypt only the message itself.

AM> I've been using GnuPG with TB! for a long time. With the plug-in you can
AM> sign, decrypt and encrypt messages. However, it uses a strict UID
AM> matching system (smart matching) when doing so in that it will select a
AM> key to use only if the key has an exactly matching name 
AM> combination to the one the plug-in is looking for. Key management and
AM> GnuPG configuration, you have to do via the CLI or you install either
AM> GPGShell or WinPT for this.

AM> I've explained how to install and use the plug-in in this article:

AM> http://www.landscreek.net/gpg_pgp_tb.html

AM> There is one annoying thing in the plug-in in that when decrypting, you
AM> have to always fill in the UID and password for the key you wish to
AM> decrypt with. The UID isn't automatically filled in based on the To:
AM> address field or the ID of the public key used for encryption. I created
AM> a macro that does this for me.

AM> The smartmatching feature is a fail safe measure not welcomed by many
AM> since it can be difficult to use the plug-in when there are many who
AM> send messages with a From name and address that doesn't correspond with
AM> any of the UID's associated with key they signed their message with.
AM> For example, a person may have create his key with the UID:

AM> Jasper Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

AM> and then sends messages with the From name :

AM> Jasper Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

AM> or

AM> Jas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

AM> The plug-in will not encrypt messages to a name  that doesn't
AM> have matching UID in one of your public keys. You'll get an error. You
AM> have to change the To: name  to one that matches one of the
AM> UID's associated with the public key or use GPG Shell to do the
AM> encryption ignoring the UID match.

AM> The same thing goes for you trying to sign a message using a From name
AM>  that doesn't exactly match a UID of your key. You'd also get
AM> an error. The only way to sign with the plug-in would be to add the name
AM>  combination you're using as a UID to your key.

AM> PGP is a lot more forgiving in this way or it offers you a key selection
AM> dialog when a match fails. You can then select the key you wish to use.
AM> It will also sign with your default key, no matter which From address
AM> you have in your message.

AM> I haven't been having problems decrypting messages from other PGP and
AM> GnuPG users.








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Re: File/Folder APIs?

[Joseph N.]

Alan,

   On Tuesday, January 07, 2003, Alan K. Stebbens wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

AKS> Are there any file/folder APIs that will allow me to write programs to read
AKS> and scan messages across folders for various reasons?

Not sure what you're looking to do, whether it's for your own purposes
or for commercial purposes, but, if it's for your own e-mail
management, then you can develop fairly involved scripts for Fookes'
Mailbag Assistant, which by combining folders in various ways has the
effect of including multiple folders in the operation.

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File/Folder APIs?

[Alan K. Stebbens]

Howdy,

Are there any file/folder APIs that will allow me to write programs to read
and scan messages across folders for various reasons?

If there is no API, is there a description at least, with which an API can
be developed?

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Re: How to configure BAT with Yahoo

[Greg Strong]

Hello myob,

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, at 13:24:32 GMT + (1/7/2003, 7:24 AM -0500 GMT
here), you wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>  As far as I can tell, you can (and I do) download mail for
>  *@yahoo.co.uk into TB!, but not mail for *@yahoo.com.
>  Unfortunately, you cannot switch an address from one domain to the other.
 
>  But if I'm  wrong about the this, I'd be grateful for advice too.

Simply not true.  I have been considering to use Web2Pop on my old Yahoo
account. Since I now have the time and after reading your message, I
DL'd Web2Pop.exe and gave it a try. I had problems at first. Why?

Basically you have to be able to login SUCCESSFULLY from a web page 1st
before using Web2Pop. After I logged in successfully from a web page,
then Web2Pop worked flawlessly.

What I think happened is Yahoo changed the URL for the email login and
changed some of the login procedures. I tried numerous times to login by
using IE's favorite for Yahoo mail. I could never login successfully,
but I could get to my email by logging into My Groups 1st, then going to
email. I thought this was strange because I used the same password for
both my email and groups page. Why no error when entering groups versus
email? Anyhow as far as procedures go, I think Yahoo flags the email
account after an unsuccessful attempt, and requires verification with
another request for the password. If I'm correct, then this is what
probably messes up Web2Pop.

What I did is go to the http://www.yahoo.com/ main web page, and clicked
on the "Email" icon at the top right of the page. Once to the login page
I chose "secure" login, and save the URL to my favorites. I can login to
my Yahoo email successfully everytime, and use Web2Pop flawlessly on the
install into the 1st partition installed. I won't mention that I'm
having problems getting Web2Pop working on the 2nd partition installed.

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Re[2]: How to configure BAT with Yahoo

[Anne]

Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 1:24:32 PM,myob wrote:

m>  As far as I can tell, you can (and I do) download mail for
m>  *@yahoo.co.uk into TB!, but not mail for *@yahoo.com.


You can still download yahoo.co.uk addresses from the yahoo pop server
via TB! - the yahoo.co.uk ones for some reason have not been
restricted like the yahoo.com ones were. To access via pop mail the
yahoo.com addresses you do need a web to pop intermediate program.

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AV plug-in; DLL

[Joseph N.]

For some reason I cannot determine, my installation of TB! kicked out
NOD32.BAV. In its place I found "Generic DLL," with an unknown version
and an "error" indicator. Anyone know what that is, or whether there's
any reason not to delete it (assuming that's possible; I haven't yet
tried).

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Re: 3040 messages

[Anne]

Sunday, January 5, 2003, 7:54:54 AM,Thomas wrote:

TF> Since the list is a bit quite today, I thought I'd share these good
TF> news with you. :-)


Thomas this has just given us a huge smile - just goes to show what a
pro program TB! is :-)

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Dave,
On Tuesday, January 7, 2003 at 08:24:38 [GMT -0800], you wrote:

DC> My own preference is NOT to compress space. People vary in how they
DC> do spacing -- espcially end-of-sentence spacing. Users do,
DC> sometimes, accidentally add spaces they do not want, but it is a
DC> rather uncommon error.

DC> So, the change to the algorithm would simply be to preserve all
DC> spacing.

Sorry, but -- although this may be possible -- it would really lead to
some weird results. Just consider the following 2 paragraphs and tell me
(roughly) an algorithm to reformat them, preserving the spacing:

This is a rather long and pretty senseless sentence just to get a line longer than 80 
characters.
And this is a shorter sentence.

Now we have a second paragraph in a message about the volcanic activity at Mount St.
Helens, which goes a lot more into detail than this one. :-)


The problem is that a programme can't distinguish between the different
kinds of periods used in texts. That is why any algorithm can only
insert *one* word seperator after every period it encounters, because it
doesn't know anything about how the period is used there.


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Re: How to remove Ctrl+Enter shortcut from "Send Now"?

[Adam]

Hello Eddy,

Monday, January 6, 2003, 1:57:48 PM, you wrote:

E> What I want to do is remove the Ctrl+Enter keyboard shortcut, but I
E> can't figure out how to make it disappear for good!

I can't either. Could try a bug report.

E> days, but I digress...) and it shows both Ctrl+Enter and F2 as
E> shortcuts for Send Now. Ctrl+Enter has a "warning" associated with it
E> saying that it is used in a pop-up menu.

I don't find a pop-up menu.


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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[marek jedlinski]

> I personally love this quote:

>> Your typing as well as yyour typesetting will benefit from
>> unlearning this quaint Victorian habit. As a general rule, no more
>> than a single space is required after a period, colon, or any other
>> mark of punctuation.

> I honestly didn't know they had typewriters in Victorian times. Did
> they?

According to this site, the invention dates back to 1700:

http://www.ladytypewriter.co.uk/typewriter-timeline.htm

By late 19th century the typewriter was pretty much old hat. See this
glorious unit from 1897:

http://www.ladytypewriter.co.uk/blick-7.htm

>> As far as the word wrapping of the Bat is concerned: it is just harder
>> (impossible?) to come up with an algorithm that takes two spaces at
>> the end of sentences into account. How should this algorithm
>> distinguish between abbreviations and sentence ending periods (full
>> stops)?

> If you can distinguish them (based on a set of internalised rules), so
> can a computer. Just put these rules into an algorithm. ;-)

Some of these rules are heuristic or culture-bound, not algorithmic,
I'm afraid. How about this (contrived but realistic) example:

"This doctoral dissertation investigates the use of early 20th-century
U.S. colloquial speech in the poetry of W.C. Williams, a distinguished
American modernist."

After "U.S.", you have it easy: the subsequent word doesn't start with
a capital letter, so it's not a sentence break. But I don't believe
you can come up with a generalized algorithmic rule that will figure
out that the sentence does not end at W.C., unless the rule knows
about American poets and can parse English syntax. It has to do both,
since "W.C." can mean something entirely, um, else.

The double initial is not a clue: substitute a name with a single
initial, or a full name with a middle initial instead. You could try a
rule that says "a single capital letter followed by a period does NOT
end a sentence", but that rule fails in simplest cases such as "She
was supposed to meet him at gate C. Williams was getting anxious."

.marek


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DBCS problems (was: ALT-L strips spaces?)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Peter,

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:32:45 +0100 GMT (08/01/03, 01:32 +0700 GMT),
Peter Palmreuther wrote:

> So it's up to those who are familar with Chinese to make statements
> about how the editor can distinguish when "a word" or a "package of
> symbols that build a entity of sense" is over for inserting the line
> break. Or does every single symbol is it's own "entity" and therefore
> the line break can be inserted at 72 characters regardless of the
> following symbol?

That's how I see it, but I'd rather have a Chinese person confirm
this.

> If so it should be rather easy to implement wrapping rules for
> Chinese written mails.

That's the way I understand it. But then, my Chinese reading is really
bad, and my writing close to non-existent. I'm only relaying why I
haven't been able to convince any Chinese friends in Taiwan to use TB.

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Re: How to configure BAT with Yahoo

[Sue]

  

Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 6:24:32 AM, you wrote:


> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:29:44 -0800 GMT(08/01/2003, 1:29 AM + GMT), Biju Nair 
>wrote:

BN>> Can anyone tell me how to configure yahoo mails on BAT

>  As far as I can tell, you can (and I do) download mail for
>  *@yahoo.co.uk into TB!, but not mail for *@yahoo.com.
>  Unfortunately, you cannot switch an address from one domain to the other.
 
>  But if I'm  wrong about the this, I'd be grateful for advice too.


I use YahooPops.  I definitely works with Yahoo.com and Yahoo.ca
endings.  Not sure about other Yahoo endings, but doesn't hurt to try.

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Re: TB and simple MAPI

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Gerd Ewald wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> I'm not sure whether I am up-to-date, but AFAIR TB always prompted for
> a password even if you don't have one; you only had to press Enter...

It is still like that. I'm not sure but it might be only when the Bat
is not running. Or it might also depend on the version of the MAPI
handler that came with the Bat. (I think I noticed different behavior
depending on if the Bat was an old installation and only the exe had
been updated or if it was a fresh clean install.)

Regards,

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Re: TB and simple MAPI

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hi Gerd,

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:58:55 +0100
Gerd Ewald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> you could copy the desktop shortcut to the start menu. But this will
>> not solve the mailto: problem. What about removing the password from
>> TB?

> I'm not sure whether I am up-to-date, but AFAIR TB always prompted for
> a password even if you don't have one; you only had to press Enter...
> 
> But this might be an outdated info from times when TB had release
> number starting with 1.4x... :-/

No, it ain't. As long as at least one account is configured to be a
"User" (in opposite to "Administrator") The Bat! prompts for a login.
Go to "Options" / "Network & Administration" / "Privileges" and set all
accounts to "Administrator" and the username/password prompt should
disappear with the very next start of The Bat!.

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hi Thomas,

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:17:44 +0700
Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> What's next? Simple:  The Bat! has to wrap each line at XX (e.g. 72)
>> characters. But it shouldn't wrap in the middle of a word, but only
>> between them AND not after XX characters.

>> So The Bat! has to spplit up these one very long line into single
>> words, take the first one and check for "length() <= 72". If this is
>> true it adds the next word and checks again ... until this conditio
>> is false.

> This is the problem TB has with Chinese. There are no spaces between
> characters in Chinese writing, so TB doesn't insert a line break after
> 72 of them. But it should. TB considers a whole paragraph as one word,
> so doesn't insert a line break. This is why I have heard Taiwanese
> people saying TB is unusable. :-(

So it's up to those who are familar with Chinese to make statements
about how the editor can distinguish when "a word" or a "package of
symbols that build a entity of sense" is over for inserting the line
break. Or does every single symbol is it's own "entity" and therefore
the line break can be inserted at 72 characters regardless of the
following symbol? If so it should be rather easy to implement  wrapping
rules for Chinese written mails.
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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Markus,

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 10:57:36 +0100 GMT (07/01/03, 16:57 +0700 GMT),
Markus Gloede wrote:

> (Sources:
> http://www.raycomm.com/techwhirl/archives/9602/techwhirl-9602-00470.html

I personally love this quote:

> Your typing as well as yyour typesetting will benefit from
> unlearning this quaint Victorian habit. As a general rule, no more
> than a single space is required after a period, colon, or any other
> mark of punctuation.

I honestly didn't know they had typewriters in Victorian times. Did
they?

[Other links snipped]

I read all of the links. Seems to be an ongoing debate, albeit
restricted to English.

> As far as the word wrapping of the Bat is concerned: it is just harder
> (impossible?) to come up with an algorithm that takes two spaces at
> the end of sentences into account. How should this algorithm
> distinguish between abbreviations and sentence ending periods (full
> stops)?

If you can distinguish them (based on a set of internalised rules), so
can a computer. Just put these rules into an algorithm. ;-)

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Peter,

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:42:02 +0100 GMT (07/01/03, 21:42 +0700 GMT),
Peter Palmreuther wrote:

> What's next? Simple:  The Bat! has to wrap each line at XX (e.g. 72)
> characters. But it shouldn't wrap in the middle of a word, but only
> between them AND not after XX characters.

> So The Bat! has to spplit up these one very long line into single words,
> take the first one and check for "length() <= 72". If this is true it
> adds the next word and checks again ... until this conditio is false.

This is the problem TB has with Chinese. There are no spaces between
characters in Chinese writing, so TB doesn't insert a line break after
72 of them. But it should. TB considers a whole paragraph as one word,
so doesn't insert a line break. This is why I have heard Taiwanese
people saying TB is unusable. :-(

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Markus,

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:45:52 +0100GMT (7-1-03, 16:45 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

MG> (BTW I encountered the double-space-after-periods discussion only in
MG> English speaking groups.  It has never occurred in German discussion
MG> groups.  Apparently it originated only in English typography style
MG> guides.)

That might be possible. I learned typing in the mid seventies and don't
recall any double spaces after periods. That was in the Netherlands, I
have some vague memories of differences between continental and non
continal styles, but only things that come up is different date
formatting etc.

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Re: TB and simple MAPI

[Gerd Ewald]

Hello Feli Wilcke !

  
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:24:39 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was 07.01.2003, 17:24 (GMT+0100) where I live, you (Feli Wilcke)
wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

[...]

> you could copy the desktop shortcut to the start menu. But this will
> not solve the mailto: problem. What about removing the password from
> TB?

I'm not sure whether I am up-to-date, but AFAIR TB always prompted for
a password even if you don't have one; you only had to press Enter...

But this might be an outdated info from times when TB had release
number starting with 1.4x... :-/

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Paul Wilson]

Tuesday, 1/7/2003, 8:53 AM

Hi Matt,
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, at 08:19:48 [GMT -0800] (which was 8:19 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'ALT-L strips spaces?'

MT> Wait a minute, am I the only one who types their e-mails on an actual
MT> typewriter, scan them in, cut and paste to an e-mail, and send? :]

I scribble them on Post-it notes, hand them to my assistant, who
performs the above mentioned method. ;)
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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Dave Crocker]

Markus,

Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 1:57:36 AM, you wrote:
Markus>  it is just harder
Markus> (impossible?) to come up with an algorithm that takes two spaces at
Markus> the end of sentences into account. How should this algorithm
Markus> distinguish between abbreviations and sentence ending periods (full
Markus> stops)?

The question of preserving vs. compressing spaces is a common point of
distinction between auto-formatting algorithms.  Given that the software is,
by definition, making the text look better, the real question is how much it
should try to do on behalf of the user.

My own preference is NOT to compress space.  People vary in how they do
spacing -- espcially end-of-sentence spacing.  Users do, sometimes,
accidentally add spaces they do not want, but it is a rather uncommon error.

So, the change to the algorithm would simply be to preserve all spacing.

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Re: TB and simple MAPI

[Feli Wilcke]

Hello Barry,

you wrote:

> If I run TB from the Start Menu it will prompt me for User Name and
> Password.

> I have a desktop shortcut set up with /FOCUSU="Barry" added to the
> command line (my default account) and TB will start up and go
> straight to my account.

you could copy the desktop shortcut to the start menu. But this will
not solve the mailto: problem. What about removing the password from
TB?

> Don't know what else to try.

me2 :-(

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Matt Thoene]

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003 @ 7:45:52 AM [-0700], Markus Gloede wrote:


> (BTW I encountered the double-space-after-periods discussion only in
> English speaking groups.  It has never occurred in German discussion
> groups.  Apparently it originated only in English typography style
> guides.)

Wait a minute, am I the only one who types their e-mails on an actual
typewriter, scan them in, cut and paste to an e-mail, and send? :]

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hi Markus,

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:45:52 +0100
Markus Gloede <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> All in all I don't see the down side of The Bat! stripping the
>> double spaces to single ones. This is still e-mail and not a
>> typewriting competition and it seems we're all able to read texts
>> even if sentences are isolated by single spaces.

> Peter, could you please re-write this paragraph? I was unable to read
> it because it lacked spaces after sentence-ending punctuation marks.
>
> SCNR

I'm sorry, no. I just have forgotten what I had written, so it's a pitty
but I'm unable to write the same paragraph again :-)))
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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Peter Fjelsten]

Markus,

On 07-01-2003 16:45, you [M] wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
M> (BTW I encountered the double-space-after-periods discussion only in
M> English speaking groups.  It has never occurred in German discussion
M> groups.  Apparently it originated only in English typography style
M> guides.)

Nor in Danish.

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Peter Palmreuther wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> All in all I don't see the down side of The Bat! stripping the double
> spaces to single ones. This is still e-mail and not a typewriting
> competition and it seems we're all able to read texts even if sentences
> are isolated by single spaces.

Peter, could you please re-write this paragraph?  I was unable to read
it because it lacked spaces after sentence-ending punctuation marks.

SCNR

(BTW I encountered the double-space-after-periods discussion only in
English speaking groups.  It has never occurred in German discussion
groups.  Apparently it originated only in English typography style
guides.)

(Now what I really don't understand is people using justified text in
a non-proportial font environment.  That really looks ugly.)

Regards,

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hi Gavin,

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 00:25:25 +1100
Gavin Sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> (Left|Right|Center|Full)-justification has little to do with spaces
> and everything to do with newlines.

No, of course this is wrong.

See this line
and this
and this line too

No imagine +L would be applied to these three line and it would
only care about '\n'. What's the result?

See this lineand thisand this line too

Bad ... really bad.
The re-justification has to take care of spaces, because it has to
insert one for every '\n'. But now take these lines:

This line is a shorter one.
While this will be a very long, long line that's not wrapped correctly at e.g. 72 
characters counted from beginning of line.
And another shorter line.

No imagine re-justification only replacing every '\n' with ' ':

This line is a shorter one. While this will be a very long, long line that's not 
wrapped correctly at e.g. 72 characters counted from beginning of line. And another 
shorter line.

Result: one long line. So this could only be an intermediate step to the
final result.
What's next? Simple:  The Bat! has to wrap each line at XX (e.g. 72)
characters. But it shouldn't wrap in the middle of a word, but only
between them AND not after XX characters.
So The Bat! has to spplit up these one very long line into single words,
take the first one and check for "length() <= 72". If this is true it
adds the next word and checks again ... until this conditio is false.
No the last appended word is stripped off and the result is written down
a "one line". The just stripped word is taken as starting point for the
next line and the following words are appended until the line length
would grow to much ... and so on.
But "what is a word?" Words distinguished by "non-word boundaries". This
non-word boundaries are defined as "everything but [a-zA-Z0-9_]".
Therefore the space is a simple boundary.
Now in the final "line building" the words are "glued" together by
spaces. As all spaces are "stripped" while splitting the one long line
into words the double spaces are lost.
There's an exception for word-glueing: punctation characters. If the
next word is a punctation character it's appended without trailing
space, to avoid them beeing singled out on a line like this
:

Of course, the whole process could be arbitrary more complex, but that
(or something very similar) is the basic method.
If one now wan't to introduce a "double space between sentences keeper"
he'd have to write a far more complex algorithm.

And this might have two disadvantages:
1. it migth slow down thing sensible
2. One (the coder) might have to implement a completely "self written"
   function to achieve wrapping. The one given in The Bat! might be one
   the component used as editor brings with it, so it's optimized for
   speed and usuability. Implementing an own opens the gate for
   introducing new bugs and significant slow down.

All in all I don't see the down side of The Bat! stripping the double
spaces to single ones. This is still e-mail and not a typewriting
competition and it seems we're all able to read texts even if sentences
are isolated by single spaces.
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Re[2]: gnuPG

[CArmeanu]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Marck,

Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 2:02:45 PM, you wrote:

MDP> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MDP> Hash: SHA1

MDP> Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED],

MDP> @7-Jan-2003, 13:30 +0100 (12:30 UK time)
MDP> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [C] in
MDP> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

MDP>>> Like most windows MUAs The Bat! does not implement PGP/MIME in
MDP>>> any of the supported PGP/GnuPG profiles. That's what you're
MDP>>> actually talking about. This does not answer the original
MDP>>> question.

C>> Well, ok, a bit emotional, but that's because ritlabs doesn't
C>> feel like replying to questions about the PGP/GnuPG plug-in.

MDP> RITlabs don't actually reply to many questions, period. They don't
MDP> have many staff and are working very hard on new releases. Also, it
MDP> is the Christmas / New year holidays in Moldova yesterday and today
MDP> so the offices are closed.

:-) I tried a few times since early December ... so, yes, they don't
reply many ...

C>> It did cost me a whole day to find out why I couldn't decrypt the
C>> messages people sent me with TheBat, and just to find out that
C>> TheBat is using a so called "not very secure, old standard"
C>> (these are not my words! You'll find them on the OpenPGP
C>> website!) for message encoding.

MDP> The words are misleading. This "old standard" is widely used and is
MDP> absolutely "standard". The PGP/MIME is gradually spreading but is
MDP> not widely used/accepted. Especially not in Windows software.

Mmh ... ok, look, I am a developer myself and am pretty well informed
about a lot of stuff, but still, even so I'm heavily involved in IT
since more than 12 years, I don't know all the standards or wannabes
and stuff about all the different developments. And I think there should be
something on ritlabs site saying what the plug-ins can do and what not.

I was in the situation needing to decrypt a highly important message
and not having any information why I couldn't. So, how's about an
end-user? Not being informed about this stuff at all?
Additional I couldn't send my documents as attachments without third
party tools, because TheBat didn't encrypt them. It's misleading, but
from RITlabs! The other guys with evolution are just on top of all
this, confusing people for good ;-)

C>> It is FACT that TheBat won't encrypt attached files/documents!

MDP> Not using PGP/MIME it won't. It will using S/MIME, which *is* a
MDP> widely used and ratified standard in all senses. All implementations
MDP> of S/MIME should inter-operate in ways that PGP/MIME implementations
MDP> don't yet seem to.

C>> This is not exactly what I expected.

MDP> That's because you have been misled by a Linux MUA user group that
MDP> thinks that the development trend Evolution has taken over the past
MDP> six months (of full support for PGP/MIME) is suddenly the only game
MDP> in town. It isn't.

nope, that's because I couldn't find *any* information on ritlabs site
saying something different. For this encryption stuff I am an end-user
like most others and RITlabs can't expect the user to know all about
this PGP/OpenPGP/GnuPG/MIME/whatever stuff. If they say using this
plugin with GnuPG will encrypt my message, I expect it to encrypt my
*whole* message. This includes all attachments!

C>> And it also doesn't decrypt attached files in received mails. So
C>> there IS incompatibility with other mailers!

MDP> Only those using the not-very-widely used PGP/MIME "standard".

Right, but how should I know? I knew after seeking the internet for
many many hours ... with no help or information at all from RITlabs
:-(

But anyway, thank you for all the information :-)

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Gavin Sinclair]

On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, 12:25:25 AM, Gavin wrote:

> (Left|Right|Center|Full)-justification has little to do with spaces
> and everything to do with newlines.

Silly me, of course full justification has a lot to do with spaces,
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Re: How to configure BAT with Yahoo

[Spike]

Hello Biju Nair,

On or about Tuesday, January 07, 2003 at 17:29:44GMT -0800 (which
was 8:29 PM in the tropics where I live) Biju Nair queried:

BN> I am usig web2pop for accessing my hotmail mails.

Wonderful utility, worth the registration.

BN> Can anyone tell me how to configure yahoo mails on BAT

Download the Yahoo plugin from the web2pop site!

http://www.jmasoftware.com/ftp/yah107.exe

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Peter Fjelsten]

Gavin,

On 07-01-2003 14:25, you [G] wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
G> (Left|Right|Center|Full)-justification has little to do with spaces
G> and everything to do with newlines.

Apparently not. :)

(I like it that way, BTW)

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Re: How to configure BAT with Yahoo

[myob]

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:29:44 -0800 GMT(08/01/2003, 1:29 AM + GMT), Biju Nair wrote:

BN> Can anyone tell me how to configure yahoo mails on BAT

 As far as I can tell, you can (and I do) download mail for
 *@yahoo.co.uk into TB!, but not mail for *@yahoo.com.
 Unfortunately, you cannot switch an address from one domain to the other.
 
 But if I'm  wrong about the this, I'd be grateful for advice too.






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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Gavin Sinclair]

On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, 12:10:44 AM, Peter wrote:

> Gavin,

> On 07-01-2003 13:40, you [G] wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
G>> I find it surprising that the ALT-L command modifies spaces.

> Sometimes people don't use the proper spaces (e.g. use 2 after full stop
> :) so ALT+L should fix this!

(Left|Right|Center|Full)-justification has little to do with spaces
and everything to do with newlines.  For those who want to tamper with
spaces, perhaps another function should be available.  You can
probably use a template.

Gavin



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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Peter Fjelsten]

Gavin,

On 07-01-2003 13:40, you [G] wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
G> I find it surprising that the ALT-L command modifies spaces.

Sometimes people don't use the proper spaces (e.g. use 2 after full stop
:) so ALT+L should fix this!

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adressbook syntax

[Thomas Evensen]

Hi!
I've bought a cellphone that supports bluetoothsync between the pc and
the mobile... since the bat isn't the mainstream mailchoice no
synctool was provided to sync the mobile with the bat's adressbook...
so I'll probably give it a try myself...

so..can anyone help me "read" the syntax of the ADB file? I see the
entries, but It's too messy for my skilllevel to find a way to
isolate and retrieve them so I can put them in an nice syncML file...

thanks for any help available


*care|thomas

> www.thomasevensen.org
> www.norwegianbastard.net




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Re: gnuPG

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED],

@7-Jan-2003, 13:30 +0100 (12:30 UK time)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [C] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

MDP>> Like most windows MUAs The Bat! does not implement PGP/MIME in
MDP>> any of the supported PGP/GnuPG profiles. That's what you're
MDP>> actually talking about. This does not answer the original
MDP>> question.

C> Well, ok, a bit emotional, but that's because ritlabs doesn't
C> feel like replying to questions about the PGP/GnuPG plug-in.

RITlabs don't actually reply to many questions, period. They don't
have many staff and are working very hard on new releases. Also, it
is the Christmas / New year holidays in Moldova yesterday and today
so the offices are closed.

C> It did cost me a whole day to find out why I couldn't decrypt the
C> messages people sent me with TheBat, and just to find out that
C> TheBat is using a so called "not very secure, old standard"
C> (these are not my words! You'll find them on the OpenPGP
C> website!) for message encoding.

The words are misleading. This "old standard" is widely used and is
absolutely "standard". The PGP/MIME is gradually spreading but is
not widely used/accepted. Especially not in Windows software.

C> It is FACT that TheBat won't encrypt attached files/documents!

Not using PGP/MIME it won't. It will using S/MIME, which *is* a
widely used and ratified standard in all senses. All implementations
of S/MIME should inter-operate in ways that PGP/MIME implementations
don't yet seem to.

C> This is not exactly what I expected.

That's because you have been misled by a Linux MUA user group that
thinks that the development trend Evolution has taken over the past
six months (of full support for PGP/MIME) is suddenly the only game
in town. It isn't.

C> And it also doesn't decrypt attached files in received mails. So
C> there IS incompatibility with other mailers!

Only those using the not-very-widely used PGP/MIME "standard".

C> When I receive a mail from somebody else, who encrypted it using
C> GnuPG (same version) and I can not decrypt it without other,
C> additional tools, there is an incompatibility issue, no matter
C> why.

Of course it matters "why". If the standard is not yet widespread in
implementation then you should be made aware of that. If someone is
sending you encrypted data then they should do so in a compatible
manner and in a way that *you* can decrypt it. You should be aware
of the limitations of the standards themselves and the ways in which
OpenPGP is used and implemented. Perhaps they should even have used
x509 S/MIME to do it if it was that important that the attachment
required encryption.

The TB programmers have a long stated aim to support PGP/MIME but
there hasn't been consensus about how the standard should be
implemented until more recently. As I see it, the programmers at
RITlabs are currently engaged in other development tasks,
particularly the rapidly approaching v2, and may not have the time
available right now to implement the "new" PGP standard.

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Gavin Sinclair]

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 8:57:36 PM, Markus wrote:

> Hi,

> Gavin Sinclair wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

>> Why is this so?  Must I surrender my beloved sentence layout?

> The habit of putting two spaces after every sentence dates back to the
> era of the typewriter. Whether one should stick to it is debatable.

Since I use Courier New to write and view emails, I feel right at home
with typewriter-era habits :)

> (Sources:
> http://www.raycomm.com/techwhirl/archives/9602/techwhirl-9602-00470.html
> http://www.webword.com/reports/period.html
> http://desktoppub.about.com/library/weekly/blrules-spaces.htm
> http://www.evolt.org/article/Two_Spaces_After_a_Period_Isn_t_Dead_Yet/25/213/)

Interesting; thanks.

> As far as the word wrapping of the Bat is concerned: it is just harder
> (impossible?) to come up with an algorithm that takes two spaces at
> the end of sentences into account. How should this algorithm
> distinguish between abbreviations and sentence ending periods (full
> stops)?

I find it surprising that the ALT-L command modifies spaces.  I expect
it to only modify newlines, leaving no problem of taking anything into
account.

> Regards,

> Markus

Thanks again,
Gavin



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Re: gnuPG

[Marck D Pearlstone]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED],

@7-Jan-2003, 13:15 +0100 (12:15 UK time)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [C] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

C> The new message encoding standards can only be decrypted with
C> additional tools like GPshell or by command line with gpg.

"Standards" imply acceptance and all-round compliance. Have you
looked at the Evolution forums? The experts there agree that
PGP/MIME is not yet a widely accepted standard and that Evo should
be looking to support the more widely accepted and implemented
non-MIME PGP standards.

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Re[2]: gnuPG

[CArmeanu]

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Hash: SHA1

Hello Marck,

C>> the "TB" implementation of GnuPG is something close to crap! They
C>> based it on old an insecure encoding standards, what makes it
C>> impossible for TheBat to decrypt GnuPG encrypted messages from
C>> other mailers. The actual encoding standard uses encrypted
C>> attachments, TheBat can en-/decrypt only the message itself.

MDP> If you are going to answer questions on a public forum, please try
MDP> to be more accurate than emotional. This is entirely incorrect in
MDP> every respect.

MDP> Like most windows MUAs The Bat! does not implement PGP/MIME in any
MDP> of the supported PGP/GnuPG profiles. That's what you're actually
MDP> talking about. This does not answer the original question.

Well, ok, a bit emotional, but that's because ritlabs doesn't feel
like replying to questions about the PGP/GnuPG plug-in.

It did cost me a whole day to find out why I couldn't decrypt the
messages people sent me with TheBat, and just to find out that TheBat
is using a so called "not very secure, old standard" (these are not my
words! You'll find them on the OpenPGP website!) for message encoding.

It is FACT that TheBat won't encrypt attached files/documents! This is
not exactly what I expected. And it also doesn't decrypt attached
files in received mails. So there IS incompatibility with other
mailers! When I receive a mail from somebody else, who encrypted it
using GnuPG (same version) and I can not decrypt it without other,
additional tools, there is an incompatibility issue, no matter why.

Best regards,
Chris
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Re[2]: gnuPG

[CArmeanu]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Allie,

C>> the "TB" implementation of GnuPG is something close to crap! They
C>> based it on old an insecure encoding standards, what makes it
C>> impossible for TheBat to decrypt GnuPG encrypted messages from other
C>> mailers. The actual encoding standard uses encrypted attachments,
C>> TheBat can en-/decrypt only the message itself.

AM> I've been using GnuPG with TB! for a long time. With the plug-in you can
AM> sign, decrypt and encrypt messages. However, it uses a strict UID
AM> matching system (smart matching) when doing so in that it will select a
AM> key to use only if the key has an exactly matching name 
AM> combination to the one the plug-in is looking for. Key management and
AM> GnuPG configuration, you have to do via the CLI or you install either
AM> GPGShell or WinPT for this.

Well, just try to have some one send you an encrypted mail with
evolution or so. You'll find yourself unable to decrypt it with
TheBat. Sure, you can use GPshell, but that's not what I understand
if ritlabs says they have a plugin for GnuPG.

The new message encoding standards can only be decrypted with
additional tools like GPshell or by command line with gpg.

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How to configure BAT with Yahoo

[Biju Nair]

Hello Guys!!!

I am usig web2pop for accessing my hotmail mails.

Can anyone tell me how to configure yahoo mails on BAT

or

Is there any other utility that would help me in downloading my yahoo
mails..



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Re: Retrieving Hotmail in The Bat!

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Granville,

@7-Jan-2003, 10:59 Granville Cousins [GC] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

DH>> I briefly tried Web2Pop and had virtually no problems.

DH>> I say virtually, because I did have one problem.

GC> Thanks for your reply. The only downside with Web2Pop is that
GC> you cannot send email through Hotmail via The Bat! only
GC> retriecve it.

You don't need to. You can send "hotmail mail" though your main ISP
SMTP server. It makes no difference. Just set the From and Reply to
address as required.

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Re: gnuPG

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED],

@7-Jan-2003, 11:05 +0100 (10:05 UK time)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [C] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

C> the "TB" implementation of GnuPG is something close to crap! They
C> based it on old an insecure encoding standards, what makes it
C> impossible for TheBat to decrypt GnuPG encrypted messages from
C> other mailers. The actual encoding standard uses encrypted
C> attachments, TheBat can en-/decrypt only the message itself.

If you are going to answer questions on a public forum, please try
to be more accurate than emotional. This is entirely incorrect in
every respect.

Like most windows MUAs The Bat! does not implement PGP/MIME in any
of the supported PGP/GnuPG profiles. That's what you're actually
talking about. This does not answer the original question.

The Bat!'s GnuPG support is just about as good its PGP support in
general other than that it does not have a key manager nor access to
GnuPG preferences. For encryption, decryption, signing and
verification processes, it works perfectly well for non-PGP/MIME
encoded/signed messages. To configure GnuPG and access a key manager
you will need to install one of the graphic front ends, like
GPGShell (which I use) or WinPT.

PGP/MIME is not implemented compliantly in all cases and until it
becomes more consistent many MUA writers (TB included) are avoiding
support for it.

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Re[2]: Retrieving Hotmail in The Bat!

[Barry Higginbottom]

Hello Granville,

Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 10:00:16 AM, you wrote:

GC>   could you tell me which is the most suitable programme for
GC>   retrieving Hotmail into The Bat!

For myself I use Hotmail Popper, works well and its free.

http://www.boolean.ca/hotpop

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Re[2]: TB and simple MAPI

[Barry Higginbottom]

Hello Feli,

Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 9:54:35 AM, you wrote:

FW> go to the account properties and check 'this account is the default
FW> for "mailto:"; URLs'

Tried that, doesn't make any difference. :>(

If I run TB from the Start Menu it will prompt me for User Name and
Password.

I have a desktop shortcut set up with /FOCUSU="Barry" added to the
command line (my default account) and TB will start up and go
straight to my account.

Don't know what else to try.

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Re[2]: Retrieving Hotmail in The Bat!

[Joan Josep]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Granville,


 On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, at 10:00:16 [GMT +]
 (which was 07/01/2003 (D/M/Y) 11:00 where I live) you wrote:

GC> suitable programme for
GC>   retrieving Hotmail into The Bat!


I  am  using Hotmail Pop 1.0 from www.boolean.ca. It works OK AFAIK,
and its free.

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Joan Josep

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Re[3]: Retrieving Hotmail in The Bat!

[Granville Cousins]

Hello Daniel,

Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 10:23:03 AM, you wrote:

DH> In reply to Granville's message 'Retrieving Hotmail in The Bat!' on Tue,
DH> 7 Jan 2003 10:00:16 + from [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

DH> Granville,

GC>>   could  you  tell  me  which  is  the  most  suitable programme for
GC>>   retrieving Hotmail into The Bat!

DH> I briefly tried Web2Pop and had virtually no problems.

DH> I say virtually, because I did have one problem.

Thanks for your reply. The only downside with Web2Pop is that you
cannot send email through Hotmail via The Bat! only retriecve it.

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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Allie Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gavin Sinclair [GS] wrote:'

GS> I noticed something funny. As you can see from this post, I use the
GS> old-fashioned convention of sticking two spaces at the start of a
GS> sentence. However, if I were to reformat this paragraph with ALT-L,
GS> those spaces would be reduced to one each.

GS> Why is this so?

The rest of posts to your query explained this.

GS> Must I surrender my beloved sentence layout?

If you use auto-format mode, your spaces will be preserved and you don't
have to use Alt-L to reflow text.

However, the auto-format mode will reflow all text that isn't separated
by a blank line. This is the only way it will detect that you intend to
start a new text block/paragraph and that it shouldn't wrap the new
block with the previous.

You'll see what I mean when you use it.

If you wish not to be restricted in such a way and it does what you
don't wish it to do you can toggle it off for the moment using
Shift_CTRL_F and then cut your sentences short or create your lists as
you wish.

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Re: OT Tagline

[Heiko Kuschel]

Hallo Roelof Otten,

am Dienstag, 7. Januar 2003 schriebst Du:


> It needn't be. Drop the addresses of these lists all in one address
> book group, all you need to do afterwards is to create one set of
> templates.

I have done that already, but as Peter pointed out, I have some German
and some English groups...
I'll do that next week, I hope. After I changed to WinXP (ohhh and a
lot of other work to do here to...)




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Re: gnuPG

[Allie Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Carmeanu [C] wrote:'

C> the "TB" implementation of GnuPG is something close to crap! They
C> based it on old an insecure encoding standards, what makes it
C> impossible for TheBat to decrypt GnuPG encrypted messages from other
C> mailers. The actual encoding standard uses encrypted attachments,
C> TheBat can en-/decrypt only the message itself.

I've been using GnuPG with TB! for a long time. With the plug-in you can
sign, decrypt and encrypt messages. However, it uses a strict UID
matching system (smart matching) when doing so in that it will select a
key to use only if the key has an exactly matching name 
combination to the one the plug-in is looking for. Key management and
GnuPG configuration, you have to do via the CLI or you install either
GPGShell or WinPT for this.

I've explained how to install and use the plug-in in this article:

http://www.landscreek.net/gpg_pgp_tb.html

There is one annoying thing in the plug-in in that when decrypting, you
have to always fill in the UID and password for the key you wish to
decrypt with. The UID isn't automatically filled in based on the To:
address field or the ID of the public key used for encryption. I created
a macro that does this for me.

The smartmatching feature is a fail safe measure not welcomed by many
since it can be difficult to use the plug-in when there are many who
send messages with a From name and address that doesn't correspond with
any of the UID's associated with key they signed their message with.
For example, a person may have create his key with the UID:

Jasper Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

and then sends messages with the From name :

Jasper Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

or

Jas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The plug-in will not encrypt messages to a name  that doesn't
have matching UID in one of your public keys. You'll get an error. You
have to change the To: name  to one that matches one of the
UID's associated with the public key or use GPG Shell to do the
encryption ignoring the UID match.

The same thing goes for you trying to sign a message using a From name
 that doesn't exactly match a UID of your key. You'd also get
an error. The only way to sign with the plug-in would be to add the name
 combination you're using as a UID to your key.

PGP is a lot more forgiving in this way or it offers you a key selection
dialog when a match fails. You can then select the key you wish to use.
It will also sign with your default key, no matter which From address
you have in your message.

I haven't been having problems decrypting messages from other PGP and
GnuPG users.

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Re[2]: Retrieving Hotmail in The Bat!

[Daniel Hirning]

In reply to Granville's message 'Retrieving Hotmail in The Bat!' on Tue,
7 Jan 2003 10:00:16 + from [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Granville,

GC>   could  you  tell  me  which  is  the  most  suitable programme for
GC>   retrieving Hotmail into The Bat!

I briefly tried Web2Pop and had virtually no problems.

I say virtually, because I did have one problem.

One correspondent had, as a signature


.


Notice  the  . (period)  (carriage return) on the 2nd line. This was
causing  Web2Pop  to  falsely  assume that the end of the email had been
reached after 

A nice little quirk that took me more time to solve than it was worth :)

I  don't  know  the RFC - or the HotMail protocol, so I can't comment on
who was at fault, Web2Pop, the other guys email client, or what...

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dan.
e [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re[2]: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Deborah W]

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 9:56:30 AM, Mary Bull wrote:

MB> I think that this "one space" between the full stop (period) and the
MB> capital (upper case) letter of the following sentence is a
MB> convention agreed upon in most word processors and probably the
MB> authors of TB! are just following the word-processor programmers.

It used to be, in the days of typewriters, that you put two spaces at
the end of a sentence. However with the advent of word-processors, and
specifically with the advent of full-justification of paragraphs (ie
where each line spreads out to both left & right margins), the
double-space leads to some...uh, interesting...results. You get huge
gaps where you had two spaces. So the convention then became to leave
only one space between sentences.

The "one-space" system is now the accepted norm, but if you're using
left-justification it really doesn't matter too much, as it doesn't make
a lot of difference to the appearance of the text. Since I'm unlikely to
use a typewriter regularly at any time in the future, I choose to stick
with the one-space system, purely for simplicity :-)

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Re: gnuPG

[CArmeanu]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello Toby,

the "TB" implementation of GnuPG is something close to crap! They
based it on old an insecure encoding standards, what makes it
impossible for TheBat to decrypt GnuPG encrypted messages from other
mailers. The actual encoding standard uses encrypted attachments,
TheBat can en-/decrypt only the message itself.

Regards
Chris

Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 6:40:20 AM, you wrote:

TT> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
TT> Hash: MD5

TT> is anyone on this list using Gnu Privacy Guard with TB!? and if so,
TT> how have you found it - have you had much in the way of trouble with
TT> people using incompatible versions of PGP etc?

TT> cheers,
TT> Toby

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TT> JoUqDfyS6dIisZHUTxxq7NFSe+c2KvmIPDoE2sakXK8YzKYYI+CsokCvrJcuEmvL
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Re: Retrieving Hotmail in The Bat!

[Granville Cousins]

Hello TBUDL, 

  could you tell me which is the most suitable programme for
  retrieving Hotmail into The Bat!

--  
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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Gavin Sinclair wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

> Why is this so?  Must I surrender my beloved sentence layout?

The habit of putting two spaces after every sentence dates back to the
era of the typewriter. Whether one should stick to it is debatable.

(Sources:
http://www.raycomm.com/techwhirl/archives/9602/techwhirl-9602-00470.html
http://www.webword.com/reports/period.html
http://desktoppub.about.com/library/weekly/blrules-spaces.htm
http://www.evolt.org/article/Two_Spaces_After_a_Period_Isn_t_Dead_Yet/25/213/)

As far as the word wrapping of the Bat is concerned: it is just harder
(impossible?) to come up with an algorithm that takes two spaces at
the end of sentences into account. How should this algorithm
distinguish between abbreviations and sentence ending periods (full
stops)?

Regards,

Markus
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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Mary Bull]

Hello Roelof,
and Gavin,

On Tuesday, January 07, 2003, 3:20 AM, you wrote:

R> Hallo Gavin,

GS>> ... As you can see from this post, I use the
GS>> old-fashioned convention of sticking two spaces at the start of a
GS>> sentence.  However, if I were to reformat this paragraph with ALT-L,
GS>> those spaces would be reduced to one each.

GS>> Why is this so?

R> You'd need to ask the authors that.

I think that this "one space" between the full stop (period) and the
capital (upper case) letter of the following sentence is a convention
agreed upon in most word processors and probably the authors of TB!
are just following the word-processor programmers.

I first learned about this difference when a friend was writing her
doctoral dissertation in the mid-1990s.

Her university committee wanted her to follow the standard set up long
before word processors existed. In the United States, the style manual
accepted by most colleges and universities was that written by Kate L.
Turabian and published by the University of Chicago Press. Even before
Turabian, the *Chicago Manual of Style* (used by many newspapers and
book publishers in the United States) followed this usage.

My friend's committee rejected her first draft of her dissertation on
the sole ground of the single space after the period. She had to
manually go through her entire manuscript (no formatting option to add
in the space after the period because of its use in such abbreviations
as Mr., Mrs., etc.--and so on) and put in the extra space before she
could proceed toward her degree!

I think that since then many colleges and universities have modified
their requirements.

What do the rest of the readers of this thread think (or know for
sure? :) ) ?

GS>> Must I surrender my beloved sentence layout?

R> Only if you'd like to reformat blocks using Alt-L, Alt-R or Alt-J

I think the computer programmers--mostly engineers and other geeks
with only the most passing acquaintance with the word-oriented world
of literature, newspapers, and writers--have taken the football and
run with it.

To mix my figures of speech, I think the language is lassoed and
hog-tied, and us old-timers are being dragged kicking and screaming
into the twenty-first century.

Myself, I gave up long ago. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." :)

All the best to you both, and to all my fellow tbudl subscribers.

-- 
Mary

The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1




--

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Re: TB and simple MAPI

[Feli Wilcke]

Hello Barry,

on 7. Januar 2003, 10:22, you wrote:

>  Is there any way I can set TB to use this account by default when
>  called by MAPI?

go to the account properties and check 'this account is the default
for "mailto:"; URLs'



-- 
Feli

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TB and simple MAPI

[Barry Higginbottom]

Dear All

 I have installed TB with simple MAPI and it works quite well.

 When I click on "Send Mail" in another program although TB starts
 OK it always prompts me for a user name and password.

 I have 5 different email accounts set up but I only use one on a
 regular basis.

 Is there any way I can set TB to use this account by default when
 called by MAPI?

-- 
Best regards
Barry
Kentra Grain Systems Limited

Tel:   01423 330085
Mobile:07831 599769
Fax:   01423 331347
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: ALT-L strips spaces?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Gavin,

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:57:50 +1100GMT (7-1-03, 9:57 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

GS> I noticed something funny.  As you can see from this post, I use the
GS> old-fashioned convention of sticking two spaces at the start of a
GS> sentence.  However, if I were to reformat this paragraph with ALT-L,
GS> those spaces would be reduced to one each.

GS> Why is this so?

You'd need to ask the authors that.

GS> Must I surrender my beloved sentence layout?

Only if you'd like to reformat blocks using Alt-L, Alt-R or Alt-J

-- 
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ALT-L strips spaces?

[Gavin Sinclair]

Hi folks,

I noticed something funny.  As you can see from this post, I use the
old-fashioned convention of sticking two spaces at the start of a
sentence.  However, if I were to reformat this paragraph with ALT-L,
those spaces would be reduced to one each.

Why is this so?  Must I surrender my beloved sentence layout?

Regards,
Gavin



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Re: OT Tagline

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Heiko,

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003 at 8:38:49 AM you [HK] wrote (at least in
part):

>> You should adjust your template for this list, as it is supposed to be in
>> English, so every member should be able to understand... *S*

HK> I'll do that too when I have time. I'm in 14 different MLs ATM, so
HK> it's a bit of work.
HK> I've been told on another list to let it in German, as they liked to
HK> have some "international flair" or so... ;-) - so it's not highest
HK> priority.

One hint when you're starting to adjust: organize the mailing lists in
groups. Create an address book entry for every mailing list and order
them grouped. You'll only need to apply a template for new mails and
replies per group and when adding a new ML you'll only have to move it
into the appropriate group.
I do have (yet) two groups: English and German, nearly all MLs I'm
subscribed to fall into one of these two categories. So I do have only
four templates set up, two for each group. That's quite easy and makes
it a matter of seconds to apply the existing templates to a new ML:
simply move the lists AB-entry into either "English" or "German".
If a ML need special settings in the template you can still overwrite
the group templates by setting up different templates for the
dedicated list in it's AB properties. :-)

HTH
-- 
Regards
Peter Palmreuther
(The Bat! v1.63 Beta/2 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1)

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Re: OT Tagline

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Heiko,

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:38:49 +0100GMT (7-1-03, 8:38 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

>> You should adjust your template for this list, as it is supposed to be in
>> English, so every member should be able to understand... *S*

HK> I'll do that too when I have time. I'm in 14 different MLs ATM, so
HK> it's a bit of work.

It needn't be. Drop the addresses of these lists all in one address
book group, all you need to do afterwards is to create one set of
templates.

-- 
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