Re: threading by ref _and_ subject
On Tue 17-Jun-03 12:53am -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 16-Jun-2003 23:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> On Mon 16-Jun-03 5:23pm -0400, WL wrote: >>> In a similar vein, some sofware doesn't use references; >>> instead, they use In-reply-to. Can that be used for >>> threading? >> I believe that's already handled. > That depends. The "References" header may contain multiple references, the > "In-Reply-To" header contains only the last reference. The References can't contain ANY references - WL wrote that there was no References included. As long as the message, with the MID equal to the MID in the I-R-T, exists in the same folder, it will thread. -- Best regards, Bill "The careful student of history will discover that Christianity has been of very little value in advancing civilization, but has done a great deal toward retarding it." [Matilda Joslyn Gage, "Woman, Church and State", 1893] Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by ref _and_ subject
16-Jun-2003 23:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> In a similar vein, some sofware doesn't use references; >> instead, they use In-reply-to. Can that be used for >> threading? > I believe that's already handled. That depends. The "References" header may contain multiple references, the "In-Reply-To" header contains only the last reference. If you use threading by references in your inbox (while the mails you wrote are in your outbox), none of the replies you get will be threaded (since the mail that is replied to is not in the same folder) if the mailer of "the other" doesn't set "References" header (which is quite logic to me and I don't see what TB! could do about it). -- Best regards, neurowerx (http://www.neurowerx.de) How many of our daydreams would darken into nightmares if there seemed any danger of their coming true? -- Logan Pearsall Smith Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS Connection
At 01:14 AM 6/17/2003 +0200, you wrote: OK, that had me jumping through some hoops as for (imho good) reason of security Opera refuses https-connections to port 80. Had to use Internet Explorer to get to this site; imported the certificate and it displays OK. Exported it to DER-encoded X.509 so I could import in The Bat!, which does indeed show the dates you saw in the log earlier. Just for verification, I then imported the certificate that I exported from IE into Opera to see what it showed and Opera shows yet another set of dates: march 6, 15.01.47 2020 to june 6 14.01.47 2020. I cannot determine what was used to generate this certificate, but it would seem that the way the date is encoded in the certificate, is ambiguous. I'll be using [EMAIL PROTECTED] (24-hour format) below. Tool IEThe Bat! Opera From [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:01:47 To[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:01:47 It's almost as if bits of information got shifted around. Only Opera shows the time to be listed in GMT; this could account for the '2' difference in the time component. In the case of Opera, the year (omitting the century) seems to have migrated to the month, the month to the day, the day to the hours, the hours to the minutes and the minutes to the seconds, discarding the original seconds. The difference of 10 years in The Bat! eludes me, but I've never seen a certificate behave this way. The fact that Opera too displays (yet another set of) wrong dates for the certificate is in my opinion an indication that something weird is happening with the certificate. > Anyhow Eudora and a couple of Linux mail clients ( Kmail maybe ) all > work with it fine. Are they? I don't have either of these two handy so I can't check, but how do they see the dates of the certificate. It could be that they only check for expiration, which in the cases of both Opera and The Bat! is way into the future here, so if an application doesn't take the From date of the certificate into consideration, this could result in 'working fine' when it actually just displays a flaw in those applications. It displays fine in Eudora and IE. Those were the only two other programs I have to check it against. The cert was generated by a utility in the server program. I have a contract with Deerfield, so I'll let them figure it out. If they come up with nothing, I'll get into it and see what I can determine. I can't do much this time of day because this thing is running over a megabit of traffic. Thanks for your response, I do appreciate it. PS: I'm sending this on Eudora. I hope it doesn't go out in Html or some weird format Thanks, Ben Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS Connection
On Monday, June 16, 2003 at 10:25 (which was Monday, June 16, 2003 at 19:25 where I am) Ben Mills [BM] wrote: > The certificate is valid from June 2003-June 2006. You can view it at > https://www.hwy39.net:80/mail . OK, that had me jumping through some hoops as for (imho good) reason of security Opera refuses https-connections to port 80. Had to use Internet Explorer to get to this site; imported the certificate and it displays OK. Exported it to DER-encoded X.509 so I could import in The Bat!, which does indeed show the dates you saw in the log earlier. Just for verification, I then imported the certificate that I exported from IE into Opera to see what it showed and Opera shows yet another set of dates: march 6, 15.01.47 2020 to june 6 14.01.47 2020. I cannot determine what was used to generate this certificate, but it would seem that the way the date is encoded in the certificate, is ambiguous. I'll be using [EMAIL PROTECTED] (24-hour format) below. Tool IEThe Bat! Opera From [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:01:47 To[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:01:47 It's almost as if bits of information got shifted around. Only Opera shows the time to be listed in GMT; this could account for the '2' difference in the time component. In the case of Opera, the year (omitting the century) seems to have migrated to the month, the month to the day, the day to the hours, the hours to the minutes and the minutes to the seconds, discarding the original seconds. The difference of 10 years in The Bat! eludes me, but I've never seen a certificate behave this way. The fact that Opera too displays (yet another set of) wrong dates for the certificate is in my opinion an indication that something weird is happening with the certificate. > Anyhow Eudora and a couple of Linux mail clients ( Kmail maybe ) all > work with it fine. Are they? I don't have either of these two handy so I can't check, but how do they see the dates of the certificate. It could be that they only check for expiration, which in the cases of both Opera and The Bat! is way into the future here, so if an application doesn't take the From date of the certificate into consideration, this could result in 'working fine' when it actually just displays a flaw in those applications. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
setting arbitrary "out" folders (Re: threading by ref _and_subject)
Monday, June 16, 2003, 4:34:10 PM, Bill McCarthy wrote: BM> On Mon 16-Jun-03 5:23pm -0400, WL wrote: >> In a similar vein, some sofware doesn't use references; >> instead, they use In-reply-to. Can that be used for >> threading? BM> I believe that's already handled. yeah...it does work as advertised, once I find the right email to create the link. ...which brings me to my next question To fill in the gaps of a thread, I need a copy of the outgoing message in the folder where the message where I'm replying to resides. It seems TB only puts messages into the Sent Mail folder. How can I set an arbitrary out box? I tried to adapt the threading example in the QT library, but it is too complex for me right now. The entire goal of this is to get threading to ``work well.'' The cases where threading breaks for me is: 1) the respondent uses some crappy email client that doesn't set in-reply-to or references header; 2) I respond to an email, and somebody responds to me, while only setting the in-reply-to field. 1 requires subject threading, which is apparently being planned. 2 requires my outgoing mail to be dumped into the same folder as the original email. Any suggestions? WL Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by ref _and_ subject
On Mon 16-Jun-03 5:23pm -0400, WL wrote: > ooh..look at me...I'm using folder templates :) > Anyways, I usually have my email sorted w/ threads. > Unfortunately, some webmail software doesn't use the > references header, so threads break. I can switch > back and forth between references and subject based > threading, but it would be nice if I can have TB use > references (if available), then by subject. Is this > possible? Yes, that's how it should work. Most newsreaders do this or permit this as an option. > In a similar vein, some sofware doesn't use references; > instead, they use In-reply-to. Can that be used for > threading? I believe that's already handled. -- Best regards, Bill Saint: A dead sinner revised and edited. [Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary, 1911] Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading by ref _and_ subject
Hello all, Monday, June 16, 2003, WL wrote: > ooh..look at me...I'm using folder templates :) > Anyways, I usually have my email sorted w/ threads. > Unfortunately, some webmail software doesn't use the > references header, so threads break. I can switch > back and forth between references and subject based > threading, but it would be nice if I can have TB use > references (if available), then by subject. Is this > possible? no, but developers plan this feature. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
threading by ref _and_ subject
ooh..look at me...I'm using folder templates :) Anyways, I usually have my email sorted w/ threads. Unfortunately, some webmail software doesn't use the references header, so threads break. I can switch back and forth between references and subject based threading, but it would be nice if I can have TB use references (if available), then by subject. Is this possible? In a similar vein, some sofware doesn't use references; instead, they use In-reply-to. Can that be used for threading? WL Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
vCard woes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello tbudl, I've just sent a vCard and for some reason it doesn't contain much of the information from the original; i.e. only the Country and URL is displayed on the 'Personal' tab and nothing under the 'Business'. Name, e-mail address and gender is about all it has listed. Any ideas? I'm running the latest beta but don't think the recent releases have changed anything in this area. M - -- Best regards, Martin Webster http://www.martinwebster.info/ The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBPu4Y0Vv+PP8p0/caEQL3+wCg7F974KYk9Bx6T4ta/aP/Y0x2rU0An32+ Jb/RZ4aypLk/KfjTb/ONSTXP =vEKk -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TLS Connection
Hello Maurice, Monday, June 16, 2003, 7:04:00 AM, you wrote: >> algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 15 Jun 2013 to 14 Jun 2016, >> for 1 host(s): mail.hwy39.net. 6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - Owner: >> Ohio, Nashville, mail, mail.hwy39.net, mail.hwy39.net, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - This certificate is >> self-issued. 6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - Invalid server certificate >> (This certificate is not yet valid). MS> Here's your problem, the certificate the server is presenting isn't MS> valid yet. It is reported to be valid from 15 June 2013 to 14 June MS> 2016, and TB requires the certificate to be valid. The certificate is valid from June 2003-June 2006. You can view it at https://www.hwy39.net:80/mail . It doesn't match the site's name because it's for mail.hwy39.net, not www.hwy39.net . Anyhow Eudora and a couple of Linux mail clients ( Kmail maybe ) all work with it fine. But TB isn't reading it correctly, and that's a puzzler.. Ben -- Best regards, Benmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending signed messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 DK> use %SIGNCOMPLETE in template which you use to change account. And this is the one I've gone for. - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keys.pgp.com ... Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night." (Charlie Brown) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 iQA/AwUBPu3RfNttnLhkydF1EQJMuQCeKkWTDqX+ucEjavHu4WqF9CdzvNQAn3FO T6P8AepSLw5SdnyW0PyI7/xK =6Drg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending signed messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, June 16, 2003, 10:33:50 AM, Stuart wrote: AM>> This is more than signature destruction. I see no signatures at AM>> all or any evidence of there ever being one. :/ > I'm pretty sure that this is a bug. If I create a message in a common > folder and the template changes the active account, then only some of > the settings for that account at applied; the 'Sign on Complete' not > being one of them. Don't know if it is a bug or a feature :))), but I have the same setup and I just checked. If your default "mailto" account has "Sign on complete" enabled, messages which are sent from common folders will have signature, wheather you change the account via template or not. Also, if your default mailto account has "Sign on complete" disabled, messages won't get automatically signed from common folders. I have account properties/general/this account is default for mailto links enabled, and signing from common folders works. :) So you can either enable signing for default mailto account, or use %SIGNCOMPLETE in template which you use to change account. Domchi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt Comment: KeyID: 0x33FAB7E4 Comment: Fingerprint: FD16 4946 03AF 4E93 5B0F EE8B B81E AA54 33FA B7E4 iQA/AwUBPu2oQLgeqlQz+rfkEQKIMACfagVuTrEP7ql1LRGBiiyfnuuUAZ0An25w nuG0xeC3WbhewXtXeyPg1TIS =sczK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:TLS Connection
On Sunday, June 15, 2003 at 10:22 (which was Sunday, June 15, 2003 at 19:22 where I am) Ben Mills wrote: > algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 15 Jun 2013 to 14 Jun 2016, > for 1 host(s): mail.hwy39.net. 6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - Owner: > Ohio, Nashville, mail, mail.hwy39.net, mail.hwy39.net, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - This certificate is > self-issued. 6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - Invalid server certificate > (This certificate is not yet valid). Here's your problem, the certificate the server is presenting isn't valid yet. It is reported to be valid from 15 June 2013 to 14 June 2016, and TB requires the certificate to be valid. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending signed messages
AM> All your current problems are as a result of using the beta, so I AM> suggest sending further queries on this to TBBETA. 'K -- Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keys.pgp.com ... IAM 666 License plate number of the Beast Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending signed messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stuart Hemming, [SH] wrote: SH> What I don't understand is why this is on Or auto in fact) when, in SH> my account I have use S/Mime UNchecked! S/MIME is very different from PGP/MIME. S/MIME is supported in the current version of TB! and has been supported for a long time. PGP/MIME support is currently in beta. All your current problems are as a result of using the beta, so I suggest sending further queries on this to TBBETA. - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on WinXP Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: My Public Keys - http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html iEYEARECAAYFAj7tqNoACgkQV8nrYCsHF+IyfwCfZZa+++ZnKQ7UWpWtD8cqULle /csAoOwpdwzMS22+Kr+Eg9jfHf529+UE =ZoKt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending signed messages
AM> I suggest signing with PGP/MIME disabled. Editor == AM> Privacy//PGP/MIME//Off What I don't understand is why this is on Or auto in fact) when, in my account I have use S/Mime UNchecked! -- Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keys.pgp.com ... I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing! Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending signed messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stuart Hemming, [SH] wrote: SH> I've given up on trying to get the '%ACCOUNT=' macro to do the thing SH> for me so I've moved my TB! common folders so that they are now SH> under my signing account. Tests suggest that it works, however, I've SH> still yet to actually /see/ my sig in a message. You're using v1.63 beta/11 and this is the likely problem since this beta supports PGP/MIME and will automatically send PGP/MIME signatures as needed if you explicitly prevent this. Attachments aren't allowed on TBUDL so the list server will strip the PGP/MIME signature block. I suggest signing with PGP/MIME disabled. Editor == Privacy//PGP/MIME//Off You can test PGP/MIME on TBBETA. - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on WinXP Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: My Public Keys - http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html iEYEARECAAYFAj7tnLEACgkQV8nrYCsHF+LVwwCgjVPjN6hQwB/uTUGQjF0RXOr3 5/QAnRDKZRGoVUOQt6DgycMR3hnGe81N =z4YL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending signed messages
I've given up on trying to get the '%ACCOUNT=' macro to do the thing for me so I've moved my TB! common folders so that they are now under my signing account. Tests suggest that it works, however, I've still yet to actually /see/ my sig in a message. -- Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 ... If you think there is good in everybody, you haven't met everybody. Estate Computer Systems Limited Westgate House, Westgate, Sleaford, Lincolnshire, NG34 7RJ Registered in England No 1604453. VAT No. 416 2922 63 ECS are members of the following trade organisations: The Microsoft Certified Partner Programme, The Borland User Group, and PISCES (Property Information System Common Exchange Standard) To find out more about ECS why not visit our website http://www.estatecomputers.com The information in this email (and any attachment) may be for the intended recipient only. If you know you are not the intended recipient, please do not use or disclose the information in any way and please delete this email (and any attachment from your system). See http://www.estatecomputers.co.uk/email.htm for our full E-mail communication conditions. (If the above URLs do not appear as links you may need to copy the details into your browser address line to access these pages). Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending signed messages
AM> This is more than signature destruction. I see no signatures at all or AM> any evidence of there ever being one. :/ I'm pretty sure that this is a bug. If I create a message in a common folder and the template changes the active account, then only some of the settings for that account at applied; the 'Sign on Complete' not being one of them. -- Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 ... 6.66% 5 year APR for HP Beast, Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
